The Michael Carter-Williams Bandwagon

[Grinder]

Hop on now!

The future is bright for my Sixers :pimp:

What a debut for the 21 year old rookie.

22 points (6-10; 4-6 3 pt), 12 assists, 9 steals, 7 rebounds, only 1 turnover, and 2 clutch free throws to ice the game in a win over the two time defending champion Heat. :bowdown:

http://philthybrass.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/MCW.jpg

The only player in the last 30 years with at least 22 points, 12 assists, 9 steals & 7 boards in a game

[Jameerthefear]

Damnnn. Didn't know his stats were that good :eek: looks like victor has a competitor.

[Thorn]

MCW bandwagoner reporting in

[CelticBaller]

Imagine the 76ers gte Parker or Wiggins :eek:

That team will be scary next year

[DirkNowitzki41]

I strongly considered getting him for fantasy :cry:

[Bobcats2013]

MCW is the new ECW chant in Philly.

[ProfessorMurder]

Got him on my fantasy team yesterday. I was on the bandwagon early!

Monster debut :bowdown:

[Rasheed1]

:eek: whoah...

[outbreak]

wow, I thought he'd be the kind of guy who took a year or two to adjust to the league but I've been proven so wrong.

[Go Getter]

While it is early in the season I am on the record [draft day] saying that the Jazz REALLY messed up taking Burke over him.

[Eric Cartman]

While it is early in the season I am on the record [draft day] saying that the Jazz REALLY messed up taking Burke over him.

Burke hasn't even played. Remembered Brandon Jennings rookie season?

[Grinder]

According to B-Ball reference, he's the only player in the last 30 years with at least 22 points, 12 assists, 9 steals & 7 boards in a game :eek:

[KyrieTheFuture]

Syracuse student I was already on the wagon

[Kujo]

That line should help my one of my fantasy teams win this week.

One of the more impressive debuts by a rookie in a long time. Look forward to seeing highlights.

[CelticBaller]

Remembered Brandon Jennings rookie season?
yup, he showed he can chuck and hit lucky shots, hasn't changed since then :confusedshrug:

[iggy>]

Hop on now!

The future is bright for my Sixers :pimp:

What a debut for the 21 year old rookie.

22 points (6-10; 4-6 3 pt), 12 assists, 9 steals, 7 rebounds, only 1 turnover, and 2 clutch free throws to ice the game in a win over the two time defending champion Heat.

http://philthybrass.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/MCW.jpg

The only player in the last 30 years with at least 22 points, 12 assists, 9 steals & 7 boards in a game
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[DukeDelonte13]

i'm on it.

:applause: :applause:

[kennethgriffin]

C-Dub

[cranincu]

Burke hasn't even played. Remembered Brandon Jennings rookie season?
MCW played against back to back nba champion miami heat. Brandon Jennings balled against a Don Nelson team

[PJR]

One game. But he was impressive.

[alwaysunny]

Damn..and i thought sixers got unlucky missing out on burke

[TheMarkMadsen]

Mc Fuking W

[Eric Cartman]

MCW played against back to back nba champion miami heat. Brandon Jennings balled against a Don Nelson team

It's way more impressive I'm not going to argue that. I'm referring more to the traditional overhyping of rookies that occurs on the NBA.

Let's see does as a whole in his rookie season and then we can have a better feel for him.

[HomieWeMajor]

GOBB will be pretending that he his MCW in the philly clubs tonight.

[Ken_Masters]

How did he get 9 steals? Was he picking pockets, shooting the passing lanes?

[sportsfan76]

Hop on now!

The future is bright for my Sixers :pimp:

What a debut for the 21 year old rookie.

22 points (6-10; 4-6 3 pt), 12 assists, 9 steals, 7 rebounds, only 1 turnover, and 2 clutch free throws to ice the game in a win over the two time defending champion Heat. :bowdown:

http://philthybrass.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/MCW.jpg

The only player in the last 30 years with at least 22 points, 12 assists, 9 steals & 7 boards in a game



He looks like a retarded version of Drake:lol

[outbreak]

he always reminded me of wallace.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120811235243/thewire/images/c/c7/Wallace.jpg

[Styles p]

i liked the pick but hated him cause we traded jrue so i gave him the nick name lil head cause his head doesn't match his body. was always impressed with his size great size for a pg dude looked great out there i'm excited but still want us to lose lol.

[Styles p]

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[chocolatethunder]

I'm a Sixer fan and I like him but it's just one game. If he played like shit I wouldn't think that he sucked and if he played great that doesn't mean he's awesome. I'm glad he played well but it's just one game and it's a long season. I'd actually prefer them to lose to increase their lottery chances. I like his potential better than Jrue so I don't care that they traded him away.

[Lebron23]

I like his name and game. He looks like a teenager.

[alwaysunny]

he always reminded me of wallace.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120811235243/thewire/images/c/c7/Wallace.jpg

The actor's real name: Michael B. Jordan



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[CarlosBoozer]

6'6 pointguard :eek:

[ihoopallday]

Even though we lost, it was fun watching this rookie put in work. Also good to see the new sixers head coach get his first win and it was against the defending champs. This should build confidence all round the team.

[TheReal Kendall]

6'6 pointguard :eek:

Livingston 6'7 :facepalm


But yeah I didn't know dude stats were that good geez

[StateProperty]

M-c-w!
M-c-w!
M-c-w!
M-c-w!

[outbreak]

Livingston 6'7 :facepalm


But yeah I didn't know dude stats were that good geez
wasn't he panning out ok until his injury?

[Go Getter]

Burke hasn't even played. Remembered Brandon Jennings rookie season?
In no way is that a knock on Burke and I could be wrong but MCW seems like he may be the more dynamic player which is what the Jazz need.

[TheReal Kendall]

wasn't he panning out ok until his injury?

I know he was decent. I really don't remember much before the injury.

I just remember how bad the injury was.

[andremiller07]

Putting my seatbelt on, that those are some killer numbers

[RedBlackAttack]

Damnnn. Didn't know his stats were that good :eek: looks like victor has a competitor.
Why is everyone just assuming Oladipo will be ROY? :oldlol:

I didn't watch the game tonight, but his numbers don't suggest he was all that effective.

As for MCW, I'm surprised he can score this well on the NBA level without a reliable jumper. His size and versatility is a major asset, though.

[chocolatethunder]

Why is everyone just assuming Oladipo will be ROY? :oldlol:

I didn't watch the game tonight, but his numbers don't suggest he was all that effective.

As for MCW, I'm surprised he can score this well on the NBA level without a reliable jumper. His size and versatility is a major asset, though.
It's 2013 bro. Three quarters of the league don't have reliable jumpers.

[chocolatethunder]

wasn't he panning out ok until his injury?
He was ok but hardly spectacular. He was getting minutes but he was really weak and had trouble scoring. He wasn't killing with assists either. He wasn't bad but he never even averaged 10ppg. He was very weak physically and overmatched. The potential was there but he was far from an immediate impact player. He was young but he really didn't do much to makes think he would become a stud.

[RedBlackAttack]

It's 2013 bro. Three quarters of the league don't have reliable jumpers.
Reliable jumper was being kind. It looked totally broken on the collegiate level from what I saw. Maybe things have changed? :confusedshrug:

Or, is he just that good at getting to the basket? Scoring was never really his MO. 20+ points in his debut is surprising/impressive.

[RoseCity07]

That is quite a splash to make in your first NBA game. That has to be the GOAT debut performance stat line. He did it against the best team in the NBA. I'll be watching to see what he does in the next 5 games. Is he going to be a star that comes out of nowhere or will he be scouted and become a role player? It won't surprise me if he flops the next game.

[bdreason]

Who the fukc is this guy.

[RoseCity07]

Watched some more video of this guy. God damn this kid may become something in this league. I hope this isn't just a case of a kid being super hot for one night. I don't think that's the case here. 12 assists is not luck. 9 steals doesn't just happen by chance. Seeing some of his video he makes me think of a young Brandon Roy. You look at him and he doesn't seem special but he displays great deal of skill. I hope he turns into a star.

[RedBlackAttack]

Nine steals is just... wow. Kid was dangerously close to a quadruple-double in his first NBA game.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I always liked his game and thought he had a chance to be a solid pro.

But im not gonna front like i saw this coming!!

Those are some SERIOUS numbers to be putting up, your first game, as a rookie, against LBJ and the defending champs.

[WolfGang]

If he drops at least 11pts, 6reb, 8ast and 2 steals the next game then he's legit.

This kid had the GOAT debut last night and I missed it...

[OmniStrife]

Holy shit! Those are some godly numbers!!
Hoping that wasn't just a freak game and he plays 80+% as well in his next games

[East_Stone_Ya]

a pleasant surprise indeed...9 steals is :bowdown:

[QuebecBaller]

MC Dub

:rockon: :rockon:

[StateProperty]

Something like 13/7 is attainable as a rookie. His best assets are his length on defense and vision. He's not a great shooter, those %s will drop, but getting steals that lead to easy layups for you or teammates will help with that.

Having MCW at the top of your defense with Noel protecting the back end will be awesome.

[Jailblazers7]

I was really impressed by how well he used his length on defense. Defense is always a question for guards coming out of Syracuse but he was great as a help defending pinching the driving lanes and coming down on the post. I'll be interested to see how any disadvantage in lateral quickness plays out against better PGs.

Great debut obviously but I want to wait this one out before I am sold on him as the future PG for our franchise.

[chocolatethunder]

If he drops at least 11pts, 6reb, 8ast and 2 steals the next game then he's legit.

This kid had the GOAT debut last night and I missed it...
No, if he has a good season and improves and develops then he's legit. The NBA season is long. We went through this w Brandon Jennings his rookie season. Just let the kid play and develop and hopefully he'll be good. I assure you for every good game there will be several bad ones. I like him and a sixer fan but I'm also a realist and this is just one game. Boozer won't average 31 and the Lakers have come way down since their first game already.

[bagelred]

He keeps this up, he could become the 2nd greatest player in NBA history.....












.....with a hyphenated last name. Who's first?

[Leftimage]

Supercharged Steph Curry :eek: :eek:

[Orlando Magic]

next game 8 pts 1 reb 3 ast 1 stl 3of12 shooting bandwagon empty

[alenleomessi]

he was terrible in the few suxers preseason games i watched...
i couldnt believe my eyes yesterday..

its probably a fluke game though but we will see..

[Grinder]

I watched him quite a bit in college and if I had to pick a player to compare him to, I'd say a less selfish, better passing Tyreke Evans. He's not a great shooter, but he knocked down plenty of big jumpers last season for 'Cuse. He can be a bit turnover prone but that's because he's the primary ball handler and facilitator every time he's on the court. He has a ton of potential though - he gets to the rim with ease, sees the floor really well, and plays great defense. Any scoring above 12-14 points is an added bonus.

On another note - Tony Wroten was excellent last night as well, he's also guy who plays similarly to Tyreke Evans.

[Shade8780]

:applause:

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[Shade8780]

Syracuse student I was already on the wagon
****ing hipster.

[dr.hee]

:applause:

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:lol :applause:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

:applause:

https://scontent-a-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1450814_629603347090954_199603945_n.png

:lol

I love those comic strips.

[CelticBaller]

:applause:

https://scontent-a-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1450814_629603347090954_199603945_n.png
willems pls

[HomieWeMajor]

I can see this guy being a Magic/Penny hybrid in a few years

[MavsPoke]

Is it too late to get on the bandwagon???

Come on guys! Let me on. Someone just scoot over a bit.

Hey! What the hell?? What are all those Lebron fans doing on there?

Kick those guys off and let me on!

What if I were to say he is the next MJ? Would you let me on then?

[Uncle Drew]

Sad thing that his first game in the NBA, will also be the best of his career.

[RedBlackAttack]

:applause:

https://scontent-a-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1450814_629603347090954_199603945_n.png
I can't put my finger on why exactly these are funny, but they never cease to make me laugh for some reason.

[GOBB]

I dont know what is more impressive. The 9 steals or the fact he hit 3-4 from 3pt range with that jumper? Push.

It is just one game as Evan Turner turned heads vs Miami before. Then went on to be Evan Turner which isnt saying much. My thing with MCW is just getting experience to run the team vs better defenses, experienced players. Also deleting the scouting report that he cant shoot to he can shoot. That would be cool. Not too high or low. But enjoyed that performance. :applause:

[Myth]

Hop on now!

The future is bright for my Sixers :pimp:

What a debut for the 21 year old rookie.

22 points (6-10; 4-6 3 pt), 12 assists, 9 steals, 7 rebounds, only 1 turnover, and 2 clutch free throws to ice the game in a win over the two time defending champion Heat. :bowdown:

http://philthybrass.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/MCW.jpg

The only player in the last 30 years with at least 22 points, 12 assists, 9 steals & 7 boards in a game

I dropped a player and added him to my fantasy league roster halfway through the 1st quarter. It was amazing. It is 1 thing to have a fluke debut game, but to destroy in so many ways shows that he has tons of talent and it likely to replicate a couple of those stat categories on any given night.

[RedBlackAttack]

I dont know what is more impressive. The 9 steals or the fact he hit 3-4 from 3pt range with that jumper? Push.

It is just one game as Evan Turner turned heads vs Miami before. Then went on to be Evan Turner which isnt saying much. My thing with MCW is just getting experience to run the team vs better defenses, experienced players. Also deleting the scouting report that he cant shoot to he can shoot. That would be cool. Not too high or low. But enjoyed that performance. :applause:
I don't think the steals are a fluke. I mean, the guy isn't going to be averaging 5 steals a game or anything, but his length is going to create a lot of problems for every team in the league in every game. Now, that jumper? It looked broken at SU. I'm not sure he can keep that kind of shooting up, but if he does with his playmaking and defense? Look out.

[GOBB]

I don't think the steals are a fluke. I mean, the guy isn't going to be averaging 5 steals a game or anything, but his length is going to create a lot of problems for every team in the league in every game. Now, that jumper? It looked broken at SU. I'm not sure he can keep that kind of shooting up, but if he does with his playmaking and defense? Look out.

9 steals is a lot tho. But you're right he does have good length and he was ripping the ball out of guys hands as they attacked the rim. The number just made me say what the hell. I watched the game and didnt realize he had that many.

But totally agree on the jumper. Summer League it was :facepalm His form is not bad. Not like he has Rondos form. But the shyt was hitting parts of the rim I didnt know a pro could hit during SL. He has a whole season to shoot.

[pauk]

He is like a clone of Shaun Livingston, i like him.

The weaknesses according to scouting reports were his strengths against Miami (shooting, decision making, cant handle pressure and turnovers)

[ProfessorMurder]

Bill Simmons said he didn't think anything of him during his 30 preseason videos. Jalen liked him.

[Flash31]

Bill Simmons said he didn't think anything of him during his 30 preseason videos. Jalen liked him.

Bill Simmons dont know sht

Great debut for MCW but IT'S STILL ONLY One game.

Brandon Jennings had 55 pts his rookie year and a game with over 10+steals,and now well he's Brandon Jennings.

Chalmers had games of 10+ made 3s and 10 steals

Solid,great debut but it's only one game.
Let him play out.

[RedBlackAttack]

Bill Simmons said he didn't think anything of him during his 30 preseason videos. Jalen liked him.
Bill Simmons admits that he has very little knowledge when it comes to projecting the draft. He has a lot of gems in his past, like pleading with the Cavs to take Derrick Williams over Irving and saying Thomas Robinson was undoubtedly "a better version" of Tristan Thompson... And that's just from his Cavs analysis the last couple years.

At least he admits he doesn't know sh!t about the draft.

[chips93]

On another note - Tony Wroten was excellent last night as well, he's also guy who plays similarly to Tyreke Evans.

he looks like a poor mans john wall to me

[chips93]

could he end up the greatest chinless nba player of all time?

[Dr.J4ever]

Hop on now!

The future is bright for my Sixers :pimp:

What a debut for the 21 year old rookie.

22 points (6-10; 4-6 3 pt), 12 assists, 9 steals, 7 rebounds, only 1 turnover, and 2 clutch free throws to ice the game in a win over the two time defending champion Heat. :bowdown:

http://philthybrass.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/MCW.jpg

The only player in the last 30 years with at least 22 points, 12 assists, 9 steals & 7 boards in a game
Im all 4 his development and its exciting but please sixers, keep the wins below 20.

[outbreak]

Im all 4 his development and its exciting but please sixers, keep the wins below 20.
hell no, you guys are going over 20 and orlando are going under!
Isn't it funny how the NBA now has people arguing over who's team will lose better :P

[Tips4]

I dont know what is more impressive. The 9 steals or the fact he hit 3-4 from 3pt range with that jumper? Push.

It is just one game as Evan Turner turned heads vs Miami before. Then went on to be Evan Turner which isnt saying much. My thing with MCW is just getting experience to run the team vs better defenses, experienced players. Also deleting the scouting report that he cant shoot to he can shoot. That would be cool. Not too high or low. But enjoyed that performance. :applause:

Look at who we got here ! GOBB himself still supporting his lottery bound team as always.

[grantz]

I had MCW as ROY this year, and it was a great game for him. Still way to early to tell though.

[spacebump]

Bill Simmons dont know sht

Great debut for MCW but IT'S STILL ONLY One game.

Brandon Jennings had 55 pts his rookie year and a game with over 10+steals,and now well he's Brandon Jennings.

Chalmers had games of 10+ made 3s and 10 steals

Solid,great debut but it's only one game.
Let him play out.

Chalmers has never had 10 steals.

[Thorpesaurous]

As a Syracuse fan, I feel like I'm already on board. But I did think he'd be among the biggest boom or bust prospects in the draft, and that's not just career wise. It really goes game to game. Because if he has a 4 for 6 from 3, he's gonna be nearly impossible to deal with.

The defense will be good. He's got great vision, so the assists will be there, both in the open floor, and in PnR and iso sets.

One thing I believe is that being a full time pro athlete very well may let him get his jumper healthy. There's a foundation there, and I believe he's a worker. It'll never be great, but it could be respectably streaky over time.

And my big concern is that a thing I think is among his biggest weaknesses is handling the ball against true pressure. But that's something you see more in college with more rest and more prep time. But down the road I'll be interested to see if it rears it's head in a playoff series someday.

He'll be a good player.

[Nash]

Michael Carter-Williams.

The 3 most english names you could possible have.

[longtime lurker]

Bill Simmons dont know sht

Great debut for MCW but IT'S STILL ONLY One game.

Brandon Jennings had 55 pts his rookie year and a game with over 10+steals,and now well he's Brandon Jennings.

Chalmers had games of 10+ made 3s and 10 steals

Solid,great debut but it's only one game.
Let him play out.

Except he's a completely different type of player than Jennings. And it's not like Jennings is a bad basketball player so saying his floor could be a Brandon Jennings isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[Haymaker]

could he end up the greatest chinless nba player of all time? :oldlol:

[chocolatethunder]

Michael Carter-Williams.

The 3 most english names you could possible have.
No. Michael comes from Hebrew and is not English.

[GOBB]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/31/5053034/michael-carter-williams-video-nba-debut-76ers-heat

[Dr.J4ever]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/31/5053034/michael-carter-williams-video-nba-debut-76ers-heat
Throwing in tankadelphia. But hey, player development is key. Rookie of the year?

[riseagainst]

already better than lebron*.

:applause:

[StateProperty]

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/10/31/5053034/michael-carter-williams-video-nba-debut-76ers-heat
Makes Turner look like he had the worst 26 pt, 10-19 shooting night in history :oldlol:

MCW's gonna have his struggles. Let him grow guys. ESPN and other outlets treating him like he's a basketball prodigy already. 13/7 is a good rookie projection.

[Shade8780]

I predict 42/26/13 tonight on 76% shooting.

[sc19]

Outplaying b1tch ass Rose while smiling the whole game. :roll:

[leopoldstotch]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/159683/choo-choo-o.gif

[UtahJazzFan88]

It's only 3 games but it really does look like he will be legit in this league. Which may be a bit of a bad thing because the Sixers need to lose as many as they can. :oldlol:

[Flash31]

Chalmers has never had 10 steals.

got it mixed up with his 10 3s

He had 9 Steals in a game his Rookie season

[thabisyo]

Outplaying b1tch ass Rose while smiling the whole game. :roll:

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

and the Chicago fans were laughing at Miami for losing and they go and blow 20 point lead :roll:

[I<3NBA]

the next Tyreke Evans

[bagelred]

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.......thinking......"Well, I may not be great, but hey, at least I'm the best Michael with a hyphenated last name in the league. I'll always have that."

Kemba "Hey, have you seen this MCW guy tearing it up?"

MKG "Mother f-cker!!! Nooooooooooooo..........:rant "

[ProfessorMurder]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/159683/choo-choo-o.gif

I approve.

[BallsOut]

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist.......thinking......"Well, I may not be great, but hey, at least I'm the best Michael with a hyphenated last name in the league. I'll always have that."

Kemba "Hey, have you seen this MCW guy tearing it up?"

MKG "Mother f-cker!!! Nooooooooooooo..........:rant "

His Last name is hyphenated, proves his dad was weak.

:yaohappy:

[Crafty]

M-iami
C-hicago
W-ashington

Illuminati writen all over it.

[outbreak]

His Last name is hyphenated, proves his dad was weak.

:yaohappy:

wasn't kidd-gilchrist the one who had a single surname name but then added another part of it as it was his grandfathers surname and he passed away?

[Grinder]

MCW was named Eastern Conference Player of the Week. (http://www.nba.com/sixers/news/131104-mcw-eastern-player-week)

http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/nba/teamsites-nbateams/release/sixers/sites/sixers/files/imagecache/sixers_standard/content/images-top/2013/11/131104_mcw_ecpotw_copy.png

"The Philadelphia 76ers today announced that rookie Michael Carter-Williams has been named NBA Eastern Conference Player of the Week for games played from Oct. 29 through Nov. 3. Shaquille O’Neal (1992-93) is the only other rookie in the history of the award to be named Player of the Week to start his career."

[9512]

He keeps this up, he could become the 2nd greatest player in NBA history.....












.....with a hyphenated last name. Who's first?

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar?

[russwest0]

lol

[Johnny Jones]

Off the bandwagon. Damn he looks awful out there.

[chocolatethunder]

He has no businiess shooting 17 times in a game. Period. I like him and think he'll be good but he shouldn't shoot the ball that much. He's a much better passer than he is a shooter. The league has plenty of scorers he's more valuable as a passer as there is shortage of those.

[Dbrog]

"The Philadelphia 76ers today announced that rookie Michael Carter-Williams has been named NBA Eastern Conference Player of the Week for games played from Oct. 29 through Nov. 3. Shaquille O’Neal (1992-93) is the only other rookie in the history of the award to be named Player of the Week to start his career."

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :pimp:


@Chocolatethunder - I agree with you and yet...they really need him to score on this team.

[Collie]

Hopefully he doesn't do a Brandon Jennings.

[chocolatethunder]

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@Chocolatethunder - I agree with you and yet...they really need him to score on this team.


I understand what you're saying but I don't agree. I'll try and explain why. First off all, MCW is not a scorer. He's a pass first guy who has had problems with turnovers. He should focus on taking care of the ball against NBA defenses before he thinks about scoring. He was a 40% shooter in college so it's safe to assume he'll shoot worse against NBA defenses. If he works on his passing game and his role as as distributor and not a ball dominator, he will find guys for open looks. Pretty much the whole Sixers roster can shoot as well as MCW ( maybe not Lavoy Allen). When guys are open and you find them, they will be shooting a higher percentage shot. MCW having the ball all game and leading the team in shots (as one of the least efficient guys on the team) is not what that team needs. Thad and Evan Turner are better scorers for sure even Spence is because he may be slow but he can shoot. I assure you that MCW driving and dishing to Spence for a 15 footer will be a much better shot that MCW driving and getting double teamed and then jacking up a shot. He should use this year to develop his passing and cut down on his turnovers. To really take steps to become a facilitator. With his size he can be a real handful that way. Then he can start to develop his jumper so he can knock down open looks. That will open his game up for sure. All the time on bad teams you'll have guys who dominate the ball and are inefficient scorers. Often times it's guys who are PGs. I call it the Mike James effect. That one year in Toronto he jacked up a bunch of shots and averaged something like 20 pts. Unlike most people he actually shot better that year so it def helped his numbers but he's a career 42% shooter and that year he shot something like 47%. My point being is that he was the guy on a bad team who had the ball in his hands all the time so he took all the shots. If you give any average NBA player the most shots on the team every night he'll probably make 40% of them and average a decent amount of points. I would rather MCW get the ball to other guys on the team and let them jack up the shots and try and develop that part of their game. That way it helps MCW learn to read defenses and react quicker and find open guys and it helps those other guys, who need to develop as scorers, become scorers. If they lose a lot in the process, that's good. They suck this year anyway.

[imdaman99]

Grinder dude, can you update the OP and post his per game totals? Or is that too much work? C'mon man, I wanna follow him but I don't want to look up Sixers box scores after every game :oldlol: Dude is baby faced like Steph Curry.

[travelingman]

Grinder dude, can you update the OP and post his per game totals? Or is that too much work? C'mon man, I wanna follow him but I don't want to look up Sixers box scores after every game :oldlol: Dude is baby faced like Steph Curry.

Is it too much work for YOU to check MCW's page on basketball-reference.com every week or so?

[imdaman99]

Is it too much work for YOU to check MCW's page on basketball-reference.com every week or so?
I frequent this place a million times for every time I go there :(

[Dbrog]

I understand what you're saying but I don't agree. I'll try and explain why. First off all, MCW is not a scorer. He's a pass first guy who has had problems with turnovers. He should focus on taking care of the ball against NBA defenses before he thinks about scoring. He was a 40% shooter in college so it's safe to assume he'll shoot worse against NBA defenses. If he works on his passing game and his role as as distributor and not a ball dominator, he will find guys for open looks. Pretty much the whole Sixers roster can shoot as well as MCW ( maybe not Lavoy Allen). When guys are open and you find them, they will be shooting a higher percentage shot. MCW having the ball all game and leading the team in shots (as one of the least efficient guys on the team) is not what that team needs. Thad and Evan Turner are better scorers for sure even Spence is because he may be slow but he can shoot. I assure you that MCW driving and dishing to Spence for a 15 footer will be a much better shot that MCW driving and getting double teamed and then jacking up a shot. He should use this year to develop his passing and cut down on his turnovers. To really take steps to become a facilitator. With his size he can be a real handful that way. Then he can start to develop his jumper so he can knock down open looks. That will open his game up for sure. All the time on bad teams you'll have guys who dominate the ball and are inefficient scorers. Often times it's guys who are PGs. I call it the Mike James effect. That one year in Toronto he jacked up a bunch of shots and averaged something like 20 pts. Unlike most people he actually shot better that year so it def helped his numbers but he's a career 42% shooter and that year he shot something like 47%. My point being is that he was the guy on a bad team who had the ball in his hands all the time so he took all the shots. If you give any average NBA player the most shots on the team every night he'll probably make 40% of them and average a decent amount of points. I would rather MCW get the ball to other guys on the team and let them jack up the shots and try and develop that part of their game. That way it helps MCW learn to read defenses and react quicker and find open guys and it helps those other guys, who need to develop as scorers, become scorers. If they lose a lot in the process, that's good. They suck this year anyway.

You definitely make a lot of good points here. Also lol @ mike james...I remember that Toronto season. He beasted for my fantasy squad :lol .
Anyway, MCW is a better scorer on that team IMO just cause he can create his own shots (even if they are bad ones). I don't think anyone else on the team could score in the way that he scores on a consistent basis other than Young and Turner. However, I'll agree that he would probably be better suited to draw the doubles and then pass off. Turner is decent from mid and Spence is indeed good from most places. It's kind of an interesting team though since Turner is a pretty good passer. As he and MCW play more together, I expect them to become pretty deadly at driving, dishing, and finishing plays from each other. It's a lot of ball holding though...

[Eric Cartman]

You definitely make a lot of good points here. Also lol @ mike james...I remember that Toronto season. He beasted for my fantasy squad :lol .

Mike James: 20 points a game on 46% fg. Played 79 games too.

Not bad for a sub 10 points a game player.

[Dbrog]

Mike James: 20 points a game on 46% fg. Played 79 games too.

Not bad for a sub 10 points a game player.

I remember it being hilarious. I think he had a 40pt game during that time or something. Equally as funny was the season (towards the end) that Charlie Bell was throwin down triple doubles and 20 assist games like they were nothing on the Bucks.

[travelingman]

I frequent this place a million times for every time I go there :(

Just bookmark his page. It'll be easier to get updates on his performances that way.

[chocolatethunder]

You definitely make a lot of good points here. Also lol @ mike james...I remember that Toronto season. He beasted for my fantasy squad :lol .
Anyway, MCW is a better scorer on that team IMO just cause he can create his own shots (even if they are bad ones). I don't think anyone else on the team could score in the way that he scores on a consistent basis other than Young and Turner. However, I'll agree that he would probably be better suited to draw the doubles and then pass off. Turner is decent from mid and Spence is indeed good from most places. It's kind of an interesting team though since Turner is a pretty good passer. As he and MCW play more together, I expect them to become pretty deadly at driving, dishing, and finishing plays from each other. It's a lot of ball holding though...

I actually don't think that he's that good at creating his own shots to be honest. He had a nice couple of games but I don't think that he's some super scorer who was kept on a tight leash in college. He's just taking a lot of shots. But that's just it, when you have a facilitator on your team its not as important to be able to create your own shots because you will be getting the ball in the right spots. That's all I'm saying. If the guys move without the ball, then he should be able to find them and they're gonna be open thus creating easy shots for them. I like him and I was happy when he was drafted because I don't like Jrue's game. I really like MCW's game I just want him to play to his strengths, which are rare in the NBA today. I don't want him to lose those strengths just to get four or five more points a game inefficiently. Any clown can shoot twenty times a night and get 17 pts out of it. You can't teach someone to be a passer, that's something you just gotta have in you and he does.

[chocolatethunder]

So he takes the most shots on the team again. Had five points less than Turner but needed eight more shots than Turner. Had four less points than Hawes but needed five more shots than Hawes. He needs to stop shooting so much.

[Eric Cartman]

So he takes the most shots on the team again. Had five points less than Turner but needed eight more shots than Turner. Had four less points than Hawes but needed five more shots than Hawes. He needs to stop shooting so much.

Think tanking

[chocolatethunder]

Think tanking
They're gonna lose either way, he might as well play the right way and lose and not learn to be a shot jacker or they'll be losing for a lot longer than this year.

[Hizack]

bump for trip-doub

[Basketbolero]

Not hating but I think he will never be anything special. He has huge flaws in his game and given the situation he is in I don't think his numbers matter much.

I hope I'm wrong and he improves, he definitely has time to do so but I wouldn't not consider him a building block at this point.

[chocolatethunder]

Not hating but I think he will never be anything special. He has huge flaws in his game and given the situation he is in I don't think his numbers matter much.

I hope I'm wrong and he improves, he definitely has time to do so but I wouldn't not consider him a building block at this point.
He's played like shit for two months that's for sure. I've been realistic about him from the beginning. He's tall and long and I like that. He shoots way too much and I don't like that. He's not a star nor will he be. What he is is a guy who can be a good point guard on a good team eventually. He has a lot to learn and both he and his team are overmatched. They have a good coach and I think he will improve. His shot sucks and so does his shot selection. I'm not worried. I have realistic expectations for him. But around here all the 14 year old see one game and they annoint him the next Magic. It's like it was when Jennings scored 55 as a rookie. This place exploded and I said over and over it was one game and he had huge holes in his game and no one would listen. Look at that bum now. He's the worst. MCW won't be as good as hit best games this year and won't be as bad as his worst ones. He'll be a nice player but he's young and it's gonna take a while.

[Basketbolero]

He's played like shit for two months that's for sure. I've been realistic about him from the beginning. He's tall and long and I like that. He shoots way too much and I don't like that. He's not a star nor will he be. What he is is a guy who can be a good point guard on a good team eventually. He has a lot to learn and both he and his team are overmatched. They have a good coach and I think he will improve. His shot sucks and so does his shot selection. I'm not worried. I have realistic expectations for him. But around here all the 14 year old see one game and they annoint him the next Magic. It's like it was when Jennings scored 55 as a rookie. This place exploded and I said over and over it was one game and he had huge holes in his game and no one would listen. Look at that bum now. He's the worst. MCW won't be as good as hit best games this year and won't be as bad as his worst ones. He'll be a nice player but he's young and it's gonna take a while.
Fair enough :cheers:

[Lebron23]

He's still slightly ahead of Victor Oladipo in the Rookie of the year race. I think he's gonna be a top 10 player in his position once the Sixers build a good team around him.

I love to see them hire Mike D'Antoni next season. His run and gun/5 seconds or less play inflates the stats of NBA players.

[Basketbolero]

I love to see them hire Mike D'Antoni next season. His run and gun/5 seconds or less play inflates the stats of NBA players.
I disagree there. I think D'Antoni would be terrible for developing players. They would develop bad habits, especially defensively.

D'Antoni makes average teams overachieve but the cost of that doesn't make it worth it for a situation like Philly's IMO.

Lionel Hollins would be a good call though.

[chocolatethunder]

I disagree there. I think D'Antoni would be terrible for developing players. They would develop bad habits, especially defensively.

D'Antoni makes average teams overachieve but the cost of that doesn't make it worth it for a situation like Philly's IMO.

Lionel Hollins would be a good call though.
Just to be clear, the Sixers are not even entertaining a coaching change. Sam Hinkie has a plan and is executing it. He has talked to Brett Brown aboht it and they are on the same page. There is zero chance they change coaches. They're gonna suck again next year and they'll be in the lottery again. After that they will be much better.

[Jailblazers7]

Just to be clear, the Sixers are not even entertaining a coaching change. Sam Hinkie has a plan and is executing it. He has talked to Brett Brown aboht it and they are on the same page. There is zero chance they change coaches. They're gonna suck again next year and they'll be in the lottery again. After that they will be much better.

I'm not sure how bad the Sixers will really be next year. Obviously not a playoff team but definitely a big improvement. Another year from Thad/MCW + plus Noel and 2 lotto picks. I think that is maybe a 30 win team in the East if they are coached well. The team will probably be picking around 8/9 next year if I had to take a guess.

Ideally, I would grab Wiggins + Gary Harris with the NO pick this year.

[Basketbolero]

Just to be clear, the Sixers are not even entertaining a coaching change. Sam Hinkie has a plan and is executing it. He has talked to Brett Brown aboht it and they are on the same page. There is zero chance they change coaches. They're gonna suck again next year and they'll be in the lottery again. After that they will be much better.
I know, I know, it was just a hypotetical thought. thanks for clarifying though.

What are your thoughts on Hinkie?

[Basketbolero]

I'm not sure how bad the Sixers will really be next year. Obviously not a playoff team but definitely a big improvement. Another year from Thad/MCW + plus Noel and 2 lotto picks. I think that is maybe a 30 win team in the East if they are coached well. The team will probably be picking around 8/9 next year if I had to take a guess.

Ideally, I would grab Wiggins + Gary Harris with the NO pick this year.
If they don't bring Thad back and they give Noel all the time in the world to feel comfortable out there + no relevant free agent signings they will really suck as in 20-25 wins suck so that might even be a top 5 pick, which should make for a nice little core going forwad.

[chocolatethunder]

I'm not sure how bad the Sixers will really be next year. Obviously not a playoff team but definitely a big improvement. Another year from Thad/MCW + plus Noel and 2 lotto picks. I think that is maybe a 30 win team in the East if they are coached well. The team will probably be picking around 8/9 next year if I had to take a guess.

Ideally, I would grab Wiggins + Gary Harris with the NO pick this year.
I can tell you that from what's being said here, they will move Thad and they'll be bad again next year. Hinkie didn't explicitly say that they'll move Thad but he did explicitly say that they'll be bad next year too. Remember, they have the potential to yield a starting five with four guys under 21. I don't care how good they are, that team isn't gonna win much. Lotsa growing pains. I'm ok with that.

[chocolatethunder]

I know, I know, it was just a hypotetical thought. thanks for clarifying though.

What are your thoughts on Hinkie?
Hinkie is great. You need to hear him talk. He's a no bullshit guy. He is committed to building through the draft like OKC. He doesn't care about losing in the short term. He's taking aong term approach. He did a great radio interview where he basically said this, "we have a plan and were sticking with it. We won't be good next year and we aren't even entertaining the idea of bringing in free agents. We are going to build through the draft but we know there's no guarantees. We could pick a bust who knows but we will do our research and stick with the plan." The guy is business and no bullshit. I think that they will package Thad and their other first rounder to move up to #6 or so. He also said that rookie contracts are a great value and they def are.

[Jailblazers7]

I can tell you that from what's being said here, they will move Thad and they'll be bad again next year. Hinkie didn't explicitly say that they'll move Thad but he did explicitly say that they'll be bad next year too. Remember, they have the potential to yield a starting five with four guys under 21. I don't care how good they are, that team isn't gonna win much. Lotsa growing pains. I'm ok with that.

Hmm, yeah wouldn't be surprised to see Thad go although I would prefer to keep him. Guy really gives effort every night. I think he has soured on the organization tho because of the tanking so it might be an appropriate split. I'm all for using him to move up in the draft if it can somehow land us Exum.

[chocolatethunder]

Hmm, yeah wouldn't be surprised to see Thad go although I would prefer to keep him. Guy really gives effort every night. I think he has soured on the organization tho because of the tanking so it might be an appropriate split. I'm all for using him to move up in the draft if it can somehow land us Exum.
They'll get rid of thad because he makes 9 million and he doesn't fit. Hinkie wants to start from scratch with all new guys on cheap deals. There is pretty much no chance that they go after Exum I would think. He's too much like MCW. He's more of a 2 than MCW but he's an awful shooter. I don't think that they will be looking at Exum at all. If they take a wing like Wiggins or Parker then they will prob take a big or a shooter like McDermott. I don't like McDermott but that's what I think that they'll do. I don't think there is any chance that they will move up for Exum. They've been through it already with having Turner and Iggy and they aren't going to go for similar guys again. Obviously Turner and Iggy aren't the same but they can do a lot of the same things and neither can shoot. They are much more likely to move up for Vonleh. Exum just doesn't make sense for the way they are building the team. I have no problem with Exum but he's not a fit on this team. There is so little shooting both in the league and in the draft that McDermott is a lock for the lottery when in reality he should be a late first rounder. At 17-25 he's a great pick. At 11, I'm not feeling it.