Disturbing Stats

[tamaraw08]

I know 3 games is a very small sample but bear in mind this team actually had full training camp. Supposedly, MDA is an offensive genius, lots of guys have a chip on their shoulder and playing hard. Ball rotation should be better esp without Kobe..etc.
Team is averaging 40.5% FG, 16 turnovers, out assisted by 6, outrebounded etc.
Nash who rested after 1 game is shooting 18%, 5 assists should be ok since he is just ave 22 mins but he is also commiting 2.5 turnovers.
Nick Young who looked great in the preseason is shooting 27%, .3 assists,
Blake who took half of his FGs from the 3pt line is shooting 28.6%, 28 shots total and yet just scored 22 pts(3 games total). :facepalm Why? ZERO freethrows.
Gasol is just shooting 46%, 3.33 turnovers,
Shawne Williams is shooting 20%, only TWO Fts in 3 games and yet bravely took 6 3pt shots.
opponents are shooting 47.5% from the floor.
The good news is the past 3 games are against top 12 teams in the league IMO.
But Im very concern about Steve Nash, without Kobe and MDA really managing his minutes... he should be more producting when he is on the floor. He is the best shooter and yet he just took 2 3pt shots in 3games.
Pau now is THE CENTER, and yet has doubled the 3pt shots taken by Nash, albeit he made half of them but still, he is only taking 3.3 FT attempts/game.
I don't have their shot chart, but they are taking waaay too many low % shots and worst is that I strongly believe that they have allowed too many layups(don't have an actual stats)

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

this season is a wash...dont care about it...

Nash is done....1/8 yesterday..forget about not playing B2B he should just retire.
Blake is pg who cant finish at the line 1/12 yet farmar only played 16 mins
Shwane williams should be out of league now
JHill should be getting more then 30mins
young is what he is...a journeyman...i dont know why you expected him to be anything else...
why is wesley johnson playing 4?

somehow meeks has been playing good...Xenry is who he is...

did you check Pau taking all those 15-18ft jumpers? can he be atleast a little bit physical and play down low? or he is allergic to contact?

I can give some games for Shawne williams @3 but if he didnt perform get him out of here

nash/farmar/blake
young/meeks
williams/henry/wesley
kaman/jHill
Pau/jhill

[DKLaker]

I know 3 games is a very small sample but bear in mind this team actually had full training camp. Supposedly, MDA is an offensive genius, lots of guys have a chip on their shoulder and playing hard. Ball rotation should be better esp without Kobe..etc.
Team is averaging 40.5% FG, 16 turnovers, out assisted by 6, outrebounded etc.
Nash who rested after 1 game is shooting 18%, 5 assists should be ok since he is just ave 22 mins but he is also commiting 2.5 turnovers.
Nick Young who looked great in the preseason is shooting 27%, .3 assists,
Blake who took half of his FGs from the 3pt line is shooting 28.6%, 28 shots total and yet just scored 22 pts(3 games total). :facepalm Why? ZERO freethrows.
Gasol is just shooting 46%, 3.33 turnovers,
Shawne Williams is shooting 20%, only TWO Fts in 3 games and yet bravely took 6 3pt shots.
opponents are shooting 47.5% from the floor.
The good news is the past 3 games are against top 12 teams in the league IMO.
But Im very concern about Steve Nash, without Kobe and MDA really managing his minutes... he should be more producting when he is on the floor. He is the best shooter and yet he just took 2 3pt shots in 3games.
Pau now is THE CENTER, and yet has doubled the 3pt shots taken by Nash, albeit he made half of them but still, he is only taking 3.3 FT attempts/game.
I don't have their shot chart, but they are taking waaay too many low % shots and worst is that I strongly believe that they have allowed too many layups(don't have an actual stats)

This team is exactly what No D Toni wants them to be, nothing more, nothing less than a shot jacking no defense playing team. Don't ever expect anything different. Don't blame Pau, the coach has always said he hates the post game and will not try to get the ball into the post, he tells Pau to shoot the 3 ball.....so how can you blame him. As was said, this season is a joke, just be happy with whatever wins we get.

[bladefd]

I don't expect anything this year. Neither does anyone else out there (except kkinchen who predicted Laker championship this year :roll: ). I can't even name half of the Laker roster.. :oldlol:

Anyways, this has become a complete run-and-gun squad this year. Last year, MDA had no choice but to cater a bit to Dwight to try to get him to stay. With Dwight out of the way, post-play is almost irrelevant and unnecessary. Sad but true.. Gasol alone isn't going to cut it in the paint since he is obviously not a banger. We have zero physicality in the paint (just Hill but he won't get starter minutes).

Then you have very young perimeter players with little or no NBA-level experience. These guys are learning on the job with the coaching staff still trying to figure out how to divide the playing time. Nash is too old, and has slowed down significantly. He can't lead these kids since they have to limit his playing time. We kind of miss Ron Ron out on the perimeter and obviously miss Kobe's leadership. It's a recipe for DISASTER! :facepalm

Defense? Horrendous. The few good man-on-man defenders we had are gone or injured. Namely Dwight, Ron, & Kobe. We will have to see who from our young bench is capable of being a defensive-stopper going forward. Then you add in an offensive-minded coach? Fini.

More on Kobe.. I seriously hope he returns within next 2 weeks or we won't win more than 30 games this season. Maybe 30 wins is a good thing.. We can trade up and get a top10 pick AND perhaps sign up Carmelo and one other star like Danny Granger or Deng (Can Deng play PF?). Then re-sign Kobe/Gasol ofc..

PG - Might be time to try and ship out Nash. Clear up even more salary going into next summer. Lakers should make Farmar the main backup PG - Blake's days are numbered. We just need a starting level league-average PG.. Kyle Lowry will be an unrestricted FA. Would be perfect.
SF - We will need a SF badly if Carmelo stays in NY or goes elsewhere. Deng, Granger, Ariza, Butler are possibilities.
PF/C - Not many PF that will be UFA. Gotta hold onto Gasol.. or trade him for a younger PF/C like Greg Monroe or Cousins (terrible attitude but he may change if he comes to a big market team like LAL) or Al Jefferson. Maybe trade Gasol for Derrick Favors if Jazz decide to go separate ways. Then there is Kevin Love or Pekovic - maybe trade Gasol for one of them??

[L.A. Jazz]

Supposedly, MDA is an offensive genius, lots of guys have a chip on their shoulder and playing hard. Ball rotation should be better esp without Kobe..etc.

He is no genius. He is just a bad coach. Simple O, bad D. In other words, he makes lots of money for very little work. "boys, lets try hard on D and shoot within 7 seconds on O."
:facepalm

[Swaggin916]

We just don't have the talent. I like our effort but most of these guys are sloppy players and 40% shooters... How are you supposed to win with that? No matter how much effort you are putting in.

But at least we are playing hard. If we keep playing hard I can get behind them. I love Jordan Hill man that guy is just pure effort.

[BallsOut]

PG - Might be time to try and ship out Nash. Clear up even more salary going into next summer. Lakers should make Farmar the main backup PG - Blake's days are numbered. We just need a starting level league-average PG.. Kyle Lowry will be an unrestricted FA. Would be perfect.
SF - We will need a SF badly if Carmelo stays in NY or goes elsewhere. Deng, Granger, Ariza, Butler are possibilities.
PF/C - Not many PF that will be UFA. Gotta hold onto Gasol.. or trade him for a younger PF/C like Greg Monroe or Cousins (terrible attitude but he may change if he comes to a big market team like LAL) or Al Jefferson. Maybe trade Gasol for Derrick Favors if Jazz decide to go separate ways. Then there is Kevin Love or Pekovic - maybe trade Gasol for one of them??

I agree with some of the players you think the Lakers should go after. Here's my take based on who's available (Unrestricted free agents and their own free agents):

PG: Kyle Lowry, Daren Collison, Jordan Farmar, Ramon Sessions, Andre Miller, Kirk Hinrich, Nate Robinson, Jerryd Bayless, DJ Augustine, Beno Udrih, Shaun Livingston

SG: Kobe Bryant, Xavier Henry, Rodney Stuckey, Anthony Morrow, Marshon Brooks, Lance Stephenson, Jodie Meeks, Thabo Sefolosha, Shannon Brown

SF: Carmelo Anthony, Trevor Ariza, Shawn Marion, Brandon Rush, Danny Granger, Caron Butler, Earl Clark, Wesley Johnson

PF: Jordan Hill, Lamar Odom, Elton Brand, Boris Diaw, Metta World Peace

C: Pau Gasol, Chris Kaman, Andris Biedrins, Marcin Gortat, Spencer Hawes


Based on the above pool, Lakers somehow get rid of Nash by seasons end and a 62 mill cap space to work with and Kobe taking a paycut, here's the group I try to form:

2015-16 Roster
PG: Kyle Lowry (2 mill) | Jordan Famar (1 mill)
SG: Kobe Bryant (20 mill) | Xavier Henry (1 mill)
SF: Trevor Ariza (2 mill) | Brandon Rush (1 mill) | Boris Diaw (1 mill)
PF: Carmelo Anthony (20 mill) | Lamar Odom (1 mill) | World Peace (1 mill)
C: Pau Gasol (10 mill) | Jordan Hill (1 mill) | Robert Sacre (1 mill)

People forget that D'Antoni playing Melo at the 3 alongside Amare at the 4 and Chandler at the 5 didn't work. Gasol definitely has a better jumper than Chandler so it might work with Melo at the 3, Jordan Hill at the 4. However, I think Melo is at his best at the 4 because he can break down literally any PF in this game and is strong enough to hold his own defensively. Plus I like Pau at the 5 since he gets to be in the post.

This way, the Lakers have a versatile lock down wing defender in Ariza in the starting lineup to balance it all out. Lowry is about as tough as they get. I've seen him give Westbrook and Cp3 problems defensively. The bench unit pretty much stays intact with few upgrades and chemistry improves with return of Lamar Odom and World Peace, Laker favorites from day 1.

Please make it happen Mitch!!

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

I agree with some of the players you think the Lakers should go after. Here's my take based on who's available (Unrestricted free agents and their own free agents):

PG: Kyle Lowry, Daren Collison, Jordan Farmar, Ramon Sessions, Andre Miller, Kirk Hinrich, Nate Robinson, Jerryd Bayless, DJ Augustine, Beno Udrih, Shaun Livingston

SG: Kobe Bryant, Xavier Henry, Rodney Stuckey, Anthony Morrow, Marshon Brooks, Lance Stephenson, Jodie Meeks, Thabo Sefolosha, Shannon Brown

SF: Carmelo Anthony, Trevor Ariza, Shawn Marion, Brandon Rush, Danny Granger, Caron Butler, Earl Clark, Wesley Johnson

PF: Jordan Hill, Lamar Odom, Elton Brand, Boris Diaw, Metta World Peace

C: Pau Gasol, Chris Kaman, Andris Biedrins, Marcin Gortat, Spencer Hawes


Based on the above pool, Lakers somehow get rid of Nash by seasons end and a 62 mill cap space to work with and Kobe taking a paycut, here's the group I try to form:

2015-16 Roster
PG: Kyle Lowry (2 mill) | Jordan Famar (1 mill)
SG: Kobe Bryant (20 mill) | Xavier Henry (1 mill)
SF: Trevor Ariza (2 mill) | Brandon Rush (1 mill) | Boris Diaw (1 mill)
PF: Carmelo Anthony (20 mill) | Lamar Odom (1 mill) | World Peace (1 mill)
C: Pau Gasol (10 mill) | Jordan Hill (1 mill) | Robert Sacre (1 mill)

People forget that D'Antoni playing Melo at the 3 alongside Amare at the 4 and Chandler at the 5 didn't work. Gasol definitely has a better jumper than Chandler so it might work with Melo at the 3, Jordan Hill at the 4. However, I think Melo is at his best at the 4 because he can break down literally any PF in this game and is strong enough to hold his own defensively. Plus I like Pau at the 5 since he gets to be in the post.

This way, the Lakers have a versatile lock down wing defender in Ariza in the starting lineup to balance it all out. Lowry is about as tough as they get. I've seen him give Westbrook and Cp3 problems defensively. The bench unit pretty much stays intact with few upgrades and chemistry improves with return of Lamar Odom and World Peace, Laker favorites from day 1.

Please make it happen Mitch!!

lol at those bold names. I would prefer to give that 10mil from Pau to Monroe...he is young atleast...I think Pau's good days are behind him....

kobe needs to take a paycut if he wants to win championship again.

they need 2 young max next yr if kobe wants to win...Pau can go...so can nash

JHill will command more than 1mil...Elton brand is earning 4mil this yr...he is 10times better then hill...

[Frank Foley]

I'm on Team Riggin' for Wiggins, so I can't be too upset when D'Antoni makes a mess of things this season.

He's truly a bad coach, though. He was at the vanguard of the small ball revolution, but the game has caught up, and he's been exposed as a one-trick pony. Everyone does small ball now, and D'Antoni bullishly sticks to it because it's supposed to be his thing.

This year and last year, his one personnel advantage was size. Instead of maximizing that advantage and tailoring his coaching to the players, he's been trying to put a square peg in a round hole. This is why I've never bought the "it's not his roster" excuse--if the roster doesn't fit your system, you change the system. He's minimized Pau, one of the top post-up players in the league, by playing him outside of the key. He continues to start Williams (who sucks), just because Hill isn't a stretch 4. He plays Wes at the 4, even though his only decent skill is perimeter defense and he gets abused in the post. The Kaman/Pau lineup shows some promise, especially in HORNS sets, but course D'Antoni decides to almost never play them together, because they're both 7 feet tall and D'Antoni needs to have a small-ball 4 in there at all times. He still plays Nash, because Nash is the one who got him to where he's at, even though Nash is horrible now and is pushing our best point (Farmar) to third-string.

As a counter example, look at what McHale's done in Houston. He had two bigs in D12 and Asik, neither of whom could space the floor. McHale's offense last year was awesome, especially when 125-pound Parsons was playing the floor. What does McHale do, when two of his best five plays are both centers? He starts them together. Asik will probably be traded this year, but for now he's on the team, and McHale's made the most of it by emphasizing interior defense and rebounding. I read some stat where Houston grabs like 58% of all available rebounds when Asik and D12 are on the court together. We're only a few games in, but this is a sign that the coach is not being rigid/foolish.

The most frustrating thing about this is that D'Antoni's capable of being a good coach. He draws plays out of timeouts as well as anyone. He's made some adjustments when he's had to (e.g., Lakers/Suns 2006). He's just too ****ing stubborn most of the time to go away from "his" system.

[BallsOut]

I'm on Team Riggin' for Wiggins, so I can't be too upset when D'Antoni makes a mess of things this season.

He's truly a bad coach, though. He was at the vanguard of the small ball revolution, but the game has caught up, and he's been exposed as a one-trick pony. Everyone does small ball now, and D'Antoni bullishly sticks to it because it's supposed to be his thing.

This year and last year, his one personnel advantage was size. Instead of maximizing that advantage and tailoring his coaching to the players, he's been trying to put a square peg in a round hole. This is why I've never bought the "it's not his roster" excuse--if the roster doesn't fit your system, you change the system. He's minimized Pau, one of the top post-up players in the league, by playing him outside of the key. He continues to start Williams (who sucks), just because Hill isn't a stretch 4. He plays Wes at the 4, even though his only decent skill is perimeter defense and he gets abused in the post. The Kaman/Pau lineup shows some promise, especially in HORNS sets, but course D'Antoni decides to almost never play them together, because they're both 7 feet tall and D'Antoni needs to have a small-ball 4 in there at all times. He still plays Nash, because Nash is the one who got him to where he's at, even though Nash is horrible now and is pushing our best point (Farmar) to third-string.

As a counter example, look at what McHale's done in Houston. He had two bigs in D12 and Asik, neither of whom could space the floor. McHale's offense last year was awesome, especially when 125-pound Parsons was playing the floor. What does McHale do, when two of his best five plays are both centers? He starts them together. Asik will probably be traded this year, but for now he's on the team, and McHale's made the most of it by emphasizing interior defense and rebounding. I read some stat where Houston grabs like 58% of all available rebounds when Asik and D12 are on the court together. We're only a few games in, but this is a sign that the coach is not being rigid/foolish.

The most frustrating thing about this is that D'Antoni's capable of being a good coach. He draws plays out of timeouts as well as anyone. He's made some adjustments when he's had to (e.g., Lakers/Suns 2006). He's just too ****ing stubborn most of the time to go away from "his" system.

I agree with a lot of this. There's absolutely no reason for Shawn Williams to start alongside Pau when Jordan Hill is way better than him and has shown great chemistry playing alongside Pau. Hell Shawn Williams should never play more than 10 minutes a game for them.

The reason the Lakers lost last game was because Boris Diaw kept abusing Wesley Johnson in the post for the entire 4th quarter. Wesley Johnson is not a 4 by any imagination, why put a player in such a role he could never possibly be good at? This was a perfect time to go to Shawn Williams who is an excellent post defender.

Other than that, I feel better about his rotations this year than last. He seems to be more flexible with his 2nd unit and is running 10 deep so far this season. Last season he ran 8 and ran Kobe into the ground, though I'm not sure how much of that is his fault since the bench really sucked last year.

I want to see how this team looks when Kobe gets back though.

[DKLaker]

I'm on Team Riggin' for Wiggins, so I can't be too upset when D'Antoni makes a mess of things this season.

He's truly a bad coach, though. He was at the vanguard of the small ball revolution, but the game has caught up, and he's been exposed as a one-trick pony. Everyone does small ball now, and D'Antoni bullishly sticks to it because it's supposed to be his thing.

This year and last year, his one personnel advantage was size. Instead of maximizing that advantage and tailoring his coaching to the players, he's been trying to put a square peg in a round hole. This is why I've never bought the "it's not his roster" excuse--if the roster doesn't fit your system, you change the system. He's minimized Pau, one of the top post-up players in the league, by playing him outside of the key. He continues to start Williams (who sucks), just because Hill isn't a stretch 4. He plays Wes at the 4, even though his only decent skill is perimeter defense and he gets abused in the post. The Kaman/Pau lineup shows some promise, especially in HORNS sets, but course D'Antoni decides to almost never play them together, because they're both 7 feet tall and D'Antoni needs to have a small-ball 4 in there at all times. He still plays Nash, because Nash is the one who got him to where he's at, even though Nash is horrible now and is pushing our best point (Farmar) to third-string.

As a counter example, look at what McHale's done in Houston. He had two bigs in D12 and Asik, neither of whom could space the floor. McHale's offense last year was awesome, especially when 125-pound Parsons was playing the floor. What does McHale do, when two of his best five plays are both centers? He starts them together. Asik will probably be traded this year, but for now he's on the team, and McHale's made the most of it by emphasizing interior defense and rebounding. I read some stat where Houston grabs like 58% of all available rebounds when Asik and D12 are on the court together. We're only a few games in, but this is a sign that the coach is not being rigid/foolish.

The most frustrating thing about this is that D'Antoni's capable of being a good coach. He draws plays out of timeouts as well as anyone. He's made some adjustments when he's had to (e.g., Lakers/Suns 2006). He's just too ****ing stubborn most of the time to go away from "his" system.

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
I love it when you post!!!!

I just couldn't ever think of anyone as capable of being a good coach when they completely ignore defense.

[MJ(Mean John)]

I agree with some of the players you think the Lakers should go after. Here's my take based on who's available (Unrestricted free agents and their own free agents):

PG: Kyle Lowry, Daren Collison, Jordan Farmar, Ramon Sessions, Andre Miller, Kirk Hinrich, Nate Robinson, Jerryd Bayless, DJ Augustine, Beno Udrih, Shaun Livingston

SG: Kobe Bryant, Xavier Henry, Rodney Stuckey, Anthony Morrow, Marshon Brooks, Lance Stephenson, Jodie Meeks, Thabo Sefolosha, Shannon Brown

SF: Carmelo Anthony, Trevor Ariza, Shawn Marion, Brandon Rush, Danny Granger, Caron Butler, Earl Clark, Wesley Johnson

PF: Jordan Hill, Lamar Odom, Elton Brand, Boris Diaw, Metta World Peace

C: Pau Gasol, Chris Kaman, Andris Biedrins, Marcin Gortat, Spencer Hawes


Based on the above pool, Lakers somehow get rid of Nash by seasons end and a 62 mill cap space to work with and Kobe taking a paycut, here's the group I try to form:

2015-16 Roster
PG: Kyle Lowry (2 mill) | Jordan Famar (1 mill)
SG: Kobe Bryant (20 mill) | Xavier Henry (1 mill)
SF: Trevor Ariza (2 mill) | Brandon Rush (1 mill) | Boris Diaw (1 mill)
PF: Carmelo Anthony (20 mill) | Lamar Odom (1 mill) | World Peace (1 mill)
C: Pau Gasol (10 mill) | Jordan Hill (1 mill) | Robert Sacre (1 mill)

People forget that D'Antoni playing Melo at the 3 alongside Amare at the 4 and Chandler at the 5 didn't work. Gasol definitely has a better jumper than Chandler so it might work with Melo at the 3, Jordan Hill at the 4. However, I think Melo is at his best at the 4 because he can break down literally any PF in this game and is strong enough to hold his own defensively. Plus I like Pau at the 5 since he gets to be in the post.

This way, the Lakers have a versatile lock down wing defender in Ariza in the starting lineup to balance it all out. Lowry is about as tough as they get. I've seen him give Westbrook and Cp3 problems defensively. The bench unit pretty much stays intact with few upgrades and chemistry improves with return of Lamar Odom and World Peace, Laker favorites from day 1.

Please make it happen Mitch!!


C'mon homie. This ain't nba 2k.

All of the players you listed will be getting much more higher offers (sans kobe , melo, pau)

Not realistic at all

[fiddy]

I agree with some of the players you think the Lakers should go after. Here's my take based on who's available (Unrestricted free agents and their own free agents):

PG: Kyle Lowry, Daren Collison, Jordan Farmar, Ramon Sessions, Andre Miller, Kirk Hinrich, Nate Robinson, Jerryd Bayless, DJ Augustine, Beno Udrih, Shaun Livingston

SG: Kobe Bryant, Xavier Henry, Rodney Stuckey, Anthony Morrow, Marshon Brooks, Lance Stephenson, Jodie Meeks, Thabo Sefolosha, Shannon Brown

SF: Carmelo Anthony, Trevor Ariza, Shawn Marion, Brandon Rush, Danny Granger, Caron Butler, Earl Clark, Wesley Johnson

PF: Jordan Hill, Lamar Odom, Elton Brand, Boris Diaw, Metta World Peace

C: Pau Gasol, Chris Kaman, Andris Biedrins, Marcin Gortat, Spencer Hawes


Based on the above pool, Lakers somehow get rid of Nash by seasons end and a 62 mill cap space to work with and Kobe taking a paycut, here's the group I try to form:

2015-16 Roster
PG: Kyle Lowry (2 mill) | Jordan Famar (1 mill)
SG: Kobe Bryant (20 mill) | Xavier Henry (1 mill)
SF: Trevor Ariza (2 mill) | Brandon Rush (1 mill) | Boris Diaw (1 mill)
PF: Carmelo Anthony (20 mill) | Lamar Odom (1 mill) | World Peace (1 mill)
C: Pau Gasol (10 mill) | Jordan Hill (1 mill) | Robert Sacre (1 mill)

People forget that D'Antoni playing Melo at the 3 alongside Amare at the 4 and Chandler at the 5 didn't work. Gasol definitely has a better jumper than Chandler so it might work with Melo at the 3, Jordan Hill at the 4. However, I think Melo is at his best at the 4 because he can break down literally any PF in this game and is strong enough to hold his own defensively. Plus I like Pau at the 5 since he gets to be in the post.

This way, the Lakers have a versatile lock down wing defender in Ariza in the starting lineup to balance it all out. Lowry is about as tough as they get. I've seen him give Westbrook and Cp3 problems defensively. The bench unit pretty much stays intact with few upgrades and chemistry improves with return of Lamar Odom and World Peace, Laker favorites from day 1.

Please make it happen Mitch!!
If this happens i will burn all of my Lakers jersey.

[Scholar]

Yeah, Mike D'Antoni isn't a great coach. I want Nash to succeed, but I think he should be playing less minutes than Jordan Farmar. I like Xavier Henry's game. Dude is on a good run right now.
Pau is definitely taking too many shots, and Chris Kaman isn't being used properly. He went 5/7 with 5 reb last night vs the Hawks. Him & Jordan Hill deserve some more playtime.
I hope LAL gets it going a bit. I know a championship is unlikely, but I'd prefer a playoff berth. It's better to see them try than to give up and tank.

[tamaraw08]

I agree with a lot of this. There's absolutely no reason for Shawn Williams to start alongside Pau when Jordan Hill is way better than him and has shown great chemistry playing alongside Pau. Hell Shawn Williams should never play more than 10 minutes a game for them.
Other than that, I feel better about his rotations this year than last. He seems to be more flexible with his 2nd unit and is running 10 deep so far this season. Last season he ran 8 and ran Kobe into the ground, though I'm not sure how much of that is his fault since the bench really sucked last year.

I want to see how this team looks when Kobe gets back though.

Good post esp the bolded one. The perfect excuse last year on why Pau was in the perimeter was bec of the presence of D12 and that they needed to space the floor. Now D-12 is gone and BOTH Pau and Williams are still taking 3pt shots. :banghead:
I don't think its not all about just "spacing the floor" as in drawing out defenders so later on you get layups, but it's just plain perimeter shooting.
Shawne Williams would just bomb away and shoot about 4 3pt shots early even without any teammates positioned for an offensive rebound.
Adelman positioned his centers like Yao and Divac before in the highpost to generate layups, this team....????
There's no excuse anymore on why Jordan Hill is not playing more minutes except MDA, flat out don't know how to use him.

[tamaraw08]

I don't expect anything this year. Neither does anyone else out there (except kkinchen who predicted Laker championship this year :roll: ). I can't even name half of the Laker roster.. :oldlol:

Anyways, this has become a complete run-and-gun squad this year. Last year, MDA had no choice but to cater a bit to Dwight to try to get him to stay. With Dwight out of the way, post-play is almost irrelevant and unnecessary. Sad but true.. Gasol alone isn't going to cut it in the paint since he is obviously not a banger. We have zero physicality in the paint (just Hill but he won't get starter minutes).

Then you have very young perimeter players with little or no NBA-level experience. These guys are learning on the job with the coaching staff still trying to figure out how to divide the playing time. Nash is too old, and has slowed down significantly. He can't lead these kids since they have to limit his playing time. We kind of miss Ron Ron out on the perimeter and obviously miss Kobe's leadership. It's a recipe for DISASTER! :facepalm

Defense? Horrendous. The few good man-on-man defenders we had are gone or injured. Namely Dwight, Ron, & Kobe. We will have to see who from our young bench is capable of being a defensive-stopper going forward. Then you add in an offensive-minded coach? Fini.

More on Kobe.. I seriously hope he returns within next 2 weeks or we won't win more than 30 games this season. Maybe 30 wins is a good thing.. We can trade up and get a top10 pick AND perhaps sign up Carmelo and one other star like Danny Granger or Deng (Can Deng play PF?). Then re-sign Kobe/Gasol ofc..

PG - Might be time to try and ship out Nash. Clear up even more salary going into next summer. Lakers should make Farmar the main backup PG - Blake's days are numbered. We just need a starting level league-average PG.. Kyle Lowry will be an unrestricted FA. Would be perfect.
SF - We will need a SF badly if Carmelo stays in NY or goes elsewhere. Deng, Granger, Ariza, Butler are possibilities.
PF/C - Not many PF that will be UFA. Gotta hold onto Gasol.. or trade him for a younger PF/C like Greg Monroe or Cousins (terrible attitude but he may change if he comes to a big market team like LAL) or Al Jefferson. Maybe trade Gasol for Derrick Favors if Jazz decide to go separate ways. Then there is Kevin Love or Pekovic - maybe trade Gasol for one of them??

I don't expect them to beat most good teams but atleast I expect them to play hard and play smart. I was hoping to see a team like the post Magic era. Peeler, Lynch etc coached by Del Harris who played together and atleast play with a purpose and sensible basketball.
It's very sad that we are now talking about next offseason moves.

[DKLaker]

Good post esp the bolded one. The perfect excuse last year on why Pau was in the perimeter was bec of the presence of D12 and that they needed to space the floor. Now D-12 is gone and BOTH Pau and Williams are still taking 3pt shots. :banghead:
I don't think its not all about just "spacing the floor" as in drawing out defenders so later on you get layups, but it's just plain perimeter shooting.
Shawne Williams would just bomb away and shoot about 4 3pt shots early even without any teammates positioned for an offensive rebound.
Adelman positioned his centers like Yao and Divac before in the highpost to generate layups, this team....????
There's no excuse anymore on why Jordan Hill is not playing more minutes except MDA, flat out don't know how to use him.

I told everyone that 'Antoni aka No D Toni was a horrible hire....and mostly what I heard from folks was "Give him a chance" as if he was a coach we had never seen or heard of before :wtf: He needs to go coach Euro ball....or just go away because the Lakers will never win SH!T with him and his no D, shot jacking style.

[dd24]

lol at those bold names. I would prefer to give that 10mil from Pau to Monroe...he is young atleast...I think Pau's good days are behind him....

kobe needs to take a paycut if he wants to win championship again.

they need 2 young max next yr if kobe wants to win...Pau can go...so can nash

JHill will command more than 1mil...Elton brand is earning 4mil this yr...he is 10times better then hill...

Monroe is very good and will get more than 10 million per season. Remember, Cousins set the bar with his 4yr/62 million dollar extension. Since Cousins got max dollars I think Monroe will get an offer very similiar too. If all Monroe gets offered is 10 million I would expect the Pistons to match (unless they trade him, which is looking doubtful right now).

[dd24]

I told everyone that 'Antoni aka No D Toni was a horrible hire....and mostly what I heard from folks was "Give him a chance" as if he was a coach we had never seen or heard of before :wtf: He needs to go coach Euro ball....or just go away because the Lakers will never win SH!T with him and his no D, shot jacking style.

It'll end up just like it did with the Knicks. As soon as he leaves and the team gets better (with the same roster...) people will finally realize it.

[dd24]

The reason the Lakers lost last game was because Boris Diaw kept abusing Wesley Johnson in the post for the entire 4th quarter. Wesley Johnson is not a 4 by any imagination, why put a player in such a role he could never possibly be good at? This was a perfect time to go to Shawn Williams who is an excellent post defender.


Antoni has said that he thinks Johnson is a lot like Shawn Marion. He believes he's really athletic and likes him to guard those guys and play the 4. I think we're going to see a lot of that this season. I think Johnson isn't that similiar to Marion. Marion was a freak of nature athlete back in his prime and was a much better defender.

[tamaraw08]

It'll end up just like it did with the Knicks. As soon as he leaves and the team gets better (with the same roster...) people will finally realize it.

Im just wondering when will Buss pull the trigger.
What if they lose most of their games in the next month?
Somebody from sports radio have been tracking since preseason that they have been allowing atleast 30 pts/quarter for like 80% of the time. Yes, I know MDA is not a good defensive minded coach but if the trend continues, even with Kobe esp on the road...:eek: . I wish somebody close to Jim should point out how Chicago managed to get into the playoffs without Rose last season.

[tamaraw08]

I told everyone that 'Antoni aka No D Toni was a horrible hire....and mostly what I heard from folks was "Give him a chance" as if he was a coach we had never seen or heard of before :wtf: He needs to go coach Euro ball....or just go away because the Lakers will never win SH!T with him and his no D, shot jacking style.

Hey DK, I bet you a dollar that Mike Brown's Cavs will be a better team than the Lakers this season. :pimp:

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Hey DK, I bet you a dollar that Mike Brown's Cavs will be a better team than the Lakers this season. :pimp:

I bet 1000$ on it cause mike brown has Kyrie, tristan, 1st pick & bynum getting healthy by day.

He has good reserves in jack and cj miles

He teaches defense

If u watch yesterdays game it was all layup drill for the mavs & our chuckers chuking

I hate to say it but nash has 1 leg in coffin & Pau gasol is right near him.

Blake gets abused like a little b!tch & he is still starting at SG

Fcuk with spacing... & shwane williams..,

[DKLaker]

Im just wondering when will Buss pull the trigger.
What if they lose most of their games in the next month?
Somebody from sports radio have been tracking since preseason that they have been allowing atleast 30 pts/quarter for like 80% of the time. Yes, I know MDA is not a good defensive minded coach but if the trend continues, even with Kobe esp on the road...:eek: . I wish somebody close to Jim should point out how Chicago managed to get into the playoffs without Rose last season.


They can't hire a new coach this season with this roster and no hopes at a title, so all they can do is either ride it out and fire him once the season is done OR fire him now and let an interim coach on staff run the team......one problem with that is that you would not only have to fire Mike but also his brother Dan........geez, sad that Jimmy Nitwit dumped this crap onto us once again :(

If he hires another bad coach he'll be run out of town!!!

[dd24]

They can't hire a new coach this season with this roster and no hopes at a title, so all they can do is either ride it out and fire him once the season is done OR fire him now and let an interim coach on staff run the team......one problem with that is that you would not only have to fire Mike but also his brother Dan........geez, sad that Jimmy Nitwit dumped this crap onto us once again :(

If he hires another bad coach he'll be run out of town!!!

I agree, I do think in order to have any sort of chance at FA's they'll need to do it after the season. It doesn't make sense to do it during the season. This Lakers team will be lucky to make the playoffs. In a way I hope they don't, because that will at least be a better draft pick to help the team out for next season. That's a potential starter. I don't see any way possible the Lakers could even try to go after a guy like Carmelo if 'antoni is still the coach. Not just Melo, but I don't see any big time FA wanting to play under 'antoni. If they try to go into free agency with him as a head coach this could be a very long rebuilding process.

[tamaraw08]

They can't hire a new coach this season with this roster and no hopes at a title, so all they can do is either ride it out and fire him once the season is done OR fire him now and let an interim coach on staff run the team......one problem with that is that you would not only have to fire Mike but also his brother Dan........geez, sad that Jimmy Nitwit dumped this crap onto us once again :(

If he hires another bad coach he'll be run out of town!!!

There were many reports on why they didn't bother to retain/hire Shaw and other Phil's assistants and even trading away Fisher, it was they hated to stick with the Triangle offense...:( And yet they hired Rambis this summer. Why?
Is he the next Mike Woodson?
But wait, you hate Rambis too.:facepalm

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

They can't hire a new coach this season with this roster and no hopes at a title, so all they can do is either ride it out and fire him once the season is done OR fire him now and let an interim coach on staff run the team......one problem with that is that you would not only have to fire Mike but also his brother Dan........geez, sad that Jimmy Nitwit dumped this crap onto us once again :(

If he hires another bad coach he'll be run out of town!!!

fire him midway through the season. Let Rambis teach these young guys Triangle.

Hire Phil in the offseason as a coach and let him recruit Lebron/Melo whoever he thinks will be good for his team

the lakers need a recruiter ...after jerry there is nobody...not Mitch ...not Jim...

[tamaraw08]

They can't hire a new coach this season with this roster and no hopes at a title, so all they can do is either ride it out and fire him once the season is done OR fire him now and let an interim coach on staff run the team......one problem with that is that you would not only have to fire Mike but also his brother Dan........geez, sad that Jimmy Nitwit dumped this crap onto us once again :(

If he hires another bad coach he'll be run out of town!!!

Denver is struggling with Shaw preferring a slower pace system. MDA likes the up tempo even with aging players. I say Lakers trade MDA and his staff to Denver. Lakers get Shaw and avoid paying MDA.
Denvers gets to run and gun again. Everybody happy:lol
...sort of. :(

[DKLaker]

There were many reports on why they didn't bother to retain/hire Shaw and other Phil's assistants and even trading away Fisher, it was they hated to stick with the Triangle offense...:( And yet they hired Rambis this summer. Why?
Is he the next Mike Woodson?
But wait, you hate Rambis too.:facepalm

There are other good coaches besides Phil and the Triangle, the Lakers passed on Adelman when they hired Brown.
Trust me, we do NOT want Rambis as a head coach....no way!!!