NBA vs. NCAA football?

[sundizz]

-Take 85 players from the NBA
-Train for six months
-Play three seasons together
-By the third season (or at what point) do they become the best collegiate football team?
*They can also take Greg Poppovich as their head coach. They get x normal number of assistants, coordinators, etc from other NCAA programs.

[CavaliersFTW]

-Take 85 players from the NBA
-Train for six months
-Play three seasons together
-By the third season (or at what point) do they become the best collegiate football team?
*They can also take Greg Poppovich as their head coach. They get x normal number of assistants, coordinators, etc from other NCAA programs.
At no point do they become even a mid-level team. They are basketball players, not football players.

[Real Men Wear Green]

By the third season (or at what point) do they become the best collegiate football team?
Never. The entire NBA doesn't have a tenth the football talent of Alabama, you will be lucky to find one NBA player that could have been a good QB, no one has a lineman's body, very few players have DB speed. Also, what does Pop know about football to somehow make him a match for Nick Saban?

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Why do the stupid people gravitate to ISH? What is it about this board?

[KyleKong]

:lol if anyone thinks all athletes are like Neon Deion.

[russwest0]

At no point do they become even a mid-level team. They are basketball players, not football players.

I don't know about that. Some NBA payers could be elite college football players.

Rose and Westbrook as DB's.

Other PG's taking up WR/DB slots.

LeBron, Durant, another SF as TE's.

Ty Lawson as a speed RB, and other smaller guys as RB's.

It's not gonna be as bad as you all think given that the NBA has some elite athletes to work with in their prime vs some college kids.

They'd just have to run a checkdown/run heavy offense for whoever the QB would be.

[CavaliersFTW]

Why do the stupid people gravitate to ISH? What is it about this board?
There's no cap on creativity on ISH. There's a lot of upside to such freedom of expression, however sometimes there is a down side... (See OP) :lol

[Trollsmasher]

wtf is this

Well, at least you would have a lot of end zone targets:lol

[iamgine]

-Take 15 players from the NFL
-Train for six months
-Play three seasons together
-By the third season (or at what point) do they become the best collegiate basketball team?
*They can also take Greg Poppovich as their head coach. They get x normal number of assistants, coordinators, etc from other NCAA programs.

[Pushxx]

Somewhere, Mike Sweetney is hoping this happens.

http://www.goerieblogs.com/sports/giveandgo/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Sweetney.jpg

[Real Men Wear Green]

LeBron, Durant, another SF as TE's.
He'd be the weakest TE in the NCAA. His body is fine for basketball, unheard-of for someone expected to block.

[kennethgriffin]

:lol if anyone thinks all athletes are like Neon Deion.


i think football players are pretty 1 dimensional. its actually not that far fetched to assume most great players from real sports can play football

a baseball pitcher/outfielder could easly play QB in a competitive football league
an amatuer wrestler or body builder can easly be a offensive/defensive lineman in a competitive football league
a soccar player can easly be a kicker in a competitive football league
any athletic basketball player/baseball outfielder can be a receiver in a competitive football league
any super fast NBA PG, pinch runner, lead off hitter, track star could play running back in a competitive football league



football is 90% athleticism... its just 1 job given to each guy. its why football has more roster spots than any other sport

1 guy runs
1 guy catches and runs
1 guy throws
1 guy blocks
1 guy kicks


each guy should be forced to play offense and defense. there should be a max roster of half as many players. the kicker should have to do more than kick.. its crazy how BS football is.

back in highschool the least talented kids played football.. the most talented kids played basketball and soccer


football players are simpletons... the sport is pretty much a joke.

[el gringos]

There's prob not a single big time d1 caliber o lineman, d lineman, or linebacker in all of the nba. And then very few db's, wr's, or even rb's or qb's. even when you think of super freak Lebron. Maybe he could be a speed rushing de- but still not built right to be a two way de. So of course you have td's, but you are a fool if you think a team without d1 caliber lineman or linebackers at all could even be competitive.

Responding to this makes you feel stupid but I already typed

[el gringos]

i think football players are pretty 1 dimensional. its actually not that far fetched to assume most great players from real sports can play football

a baseball pitcher/outfielder could easly play QB in a competitive football league
an amatuer wrestler or body builder can easly be a offensive/defensive lineman in a competitive football league
a soccar player can easly be a kicker in a competitive football league
any athletic basketball player/baseball outfielder can be a receiver in a competitive football league
any super fast NBA PG, pinch runner, lead off hitter, track star could play running back in a competitive football league



football is 90% athleticism... its just 1 job given to each guy. its why football has more roster spots than any other sport

1 guy runs
1 guy catches and runs
1 guy throws
1 guy blocks
1 guy kicks


each guy should be forced to play offense and defense. there should be a max roster of half as many players. the kicker should have to do more than kick.. its crazy how BS football is.

back in highschool the least talented kids played football.. the most talented kids played basketball and soccer


football players are simpletons... the sport is pretty much a joke.
I thought the original post was dumb but you have taken to another level

[russwest0]

He'd be the weakest TE in the NCAA. His body is fine for basketball, unheard-of for someone expected to block.

Look at the NFL. Tight Ends have made it there and been elite without any blocking ability. See Jimmy Graham. Durants combination of height/quickness is still a matchup problem in the NCAA. You put him in there in 2 TE sets with LeBron on the goal line and watch the fun happen.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Look at the NFL. Tight Ends have made it there and been elite without any blocking ability. See Jimmy Graham. Durants combination of height/quickness is still a matchup problem in the NCAA. You put him in there in 2 TE sets with LeBron on the goal line and watch the fun happen.
Jimmy Graham is infinitely stronger than KD.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

To answer the question - No one in the NBA could play Offensive line so they would get killed. I do think certain NBA players (like LeBron) could have played in the NFL though.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Look at the NFL. Tight Ends have made it there and been elite without any blocking ability. See Jimmy Graham. Durants combination of height/quickness is still a matchup problem in the NCAA. You put him in there in 2 TE sets with LeBron on the goal line and watch the fun happen.
Even weak-blocking TEs have to have at least a little ability to do it and beyond that KD doesn't have football speed. The only thing he has that could possibly translate is the ability to go over a defender. There's a lot more to football than that no matter what position you're talking about. Durant would not be able to deal with the way he would be getting hit, his body isn't made for it. Can you think of any TE that would struggle with a 185-lb. bench press? That was an overrated problem in the NBA but football is completely different. Jimmy Graham and other TEs are nowhere near as skinny as Durant. There's just no way.

[russwest0]

Even weak-blocking TEs have to have at least a little ability to do it and beyond that KD doesn't have football speed. The only thing he has that could possibly translate is the ability to go over a defender. There's a lot more to football than that no matter what position you're talking about. Durant would not be able to deal with the way he would be getting hit, his body isn't made for it. Can you think of any TE that would struggle with a 185-lb. bench press? That was an overrated problem in the NBA but football is completely different. Jimmy Graham and other TEs are nowhere near as skinny as Durant. There's just no way.

We're talking about the NCAA and we're talking about a guy that would only be used in special packages like in the redzone. The NCAA isn't nearly as physical as the pro game is either.

Durant is one of the quickest SF's in the league. There were moments in the Finals two years ago where he was outrunning LeBron in the fullcourt to get baskets.

Sorry, but he'd be a matchup nightmare in the redzone if used correctly. You could line him up in the slot and have him run a quick fade to the outside and just throw it up there and the defender wouldn't even be able to contest the pass if done right.

This also pertains to the OP where they get what, 3 years to train for the college game?

[christian1923]

We're talking about the NCAA and we're talking about a guy that would only be used in special packages like in the redzone. The NCAA isn't nearly as physical as the pro game is either.

Durant is one of the quickest SF's in the league. There were moments in the Finals two years ago where he was outrunning LeBron in the fullcourt to get baskets.

Sorry, but he'd be a matchup nightmare in the redzone if used correctly. You could line him up in the slot and have him run a quick fade to the outside and just throw it up there and the defender wouldn't even be able to contest the pass if done right.

This also pertains to the OP where they get what, 3 years to train for the college game?
Any decent DB or linebacker would just jam him to hell at the line.

[Real Men Wear Green]

We're talking about the NCAA and we're talking about a guy that would only be used in special packages like in the redzone. The NCAA isn't nearly as physical as the pro game is either.

Durant is one of the quickest SF's in the league. There were moments in the Finals two years ago where he was outrunning LeBron in the fullcourt to get baskets.

Sorry, but he'd be a matchup nightmare in the redzone if used correctly. You could line him up in the slot and have him run a quick fade to the outside and just throw it up there and the defender wouldn't even be able to contest the pass if done right.

This also pertains to the OP where they get what, 3 years to train for the college game?
So now he's just a special package guy? I guess if he just has to get a yard or two downfield and jump vertically it would be hard to stop but if we're talking about making him a real tight end the back assigned to covering him is going to press him and he's not getting anywhere. He's extremely quick for a seven-foot man. But his quickness will be nothing to a DB of even average athleticism for the NCAA level. None of them can jump with him but they'll be jamming him on every play, letting him catch 3 yard passes and then buring him in the grass. NCAA football isn't as physical as the NFL but they're a million times more physical than any bball league. He better spend those three years on HGH and even then at his height someone is bound to screw up his knees sooner or later. There's a reason no football players are lanky like he is.

[sundizz]

Cavs is a fggt as usual. I'm sure if the same question had wilt the lion killer and bill the best offensive option it'd be much easier for him.

85 NBA players would be the biggest collegiate team by a Country mile. You think there aren't 15 guys in the nba that could bulk up and play o line at the collegiate level given 6 months of training and weights.

West coast offense toss it up go get it style in between Bron and Gerald green

[Real Men Wear Green]

Cavs is a fggt as usual. I'm sure if the same question had wilt the lion killer and bill the best offensive option it'd be much easier for him.

85 NBA players would be the biggest collegiate team by a Country mile. You think there aren't 15 guys in the nba that could bulk up and play o line at the collegiate level given 6 months of training and weights.
Stupid post (and the name-calling is unnecessary). NBA could create the tallest team but not the biggest. Just about every big-time NCAA program has more 300-pounders than the entire NBA. I can't think of an NBA 300-pound player right now and whoever he is he's probably some overweight center that's barely useful on the court and would have no position on a football field. If being seven feet tall was a real asset wouldn't there be at least one guy that height in the NFL? The negatives that height brings to football far outweigh the positives. NCAA athletes have oftentimes been training for their position since pee wee league. Taking some guy that's never blocked before and making him get fat isn't going to protect your QB.

[russwest0]

So now he's just a special package guy? I guess if he just has to get a yard or two downfield and jump vertically it would be hard to stop but if we're talking about making him a real tight end the back assigned to covering him is going to press him and he's not getting anywhere. He's extremely quick for a seven-foot man. But his quickness will be nothing to a DB of even average athleticism for the NCAA level. None of them can jump with him but they'll be jamming him on every play, letting him catch 3 yard passes and then buring him in the grass. NCAA football isn't as physical as the NFL but they're a million times more physical than any bball league. He better spend those three years on HGH and even then at his height someone is bound to screw up his knees sooner or later. There's a reason no football players are lanky like he is.

Yes, I listed him as the 2nd TE. They are usually only used for certain packages. You'd run plays specifically designed to get him the ball in the redzone, plays that could work well in the NCAA. like say 3 WR's one side of the field with him being the most inside and the other two run a quick slant and set a pick on his man with him running under and cutting up for a fade route.

He'd have to be accounted for at all times in the redzone at the college level so he'd no doubt have some value. Especially if he was able to successful bulk up enough in 3 years.

[SyRyanYang]

I guess no ones sees "train for six months and play three seasons together"
That's 3.5 years training and practicing. Changes a lot of things

[russwest0]

Hell KD would actually probably be the starting QB.

6'11 means he'd be able to see the whole field and his 7'6 wingspan would give him a ridiculously high release point in throwing the ball meaning he wouldn't even need elite arm strength with the right mechanics. His athleticism would help him a ton there too. He probably has at least a 4.7 40 time right now.

Plus he wouldn't take a lot of hits as the QB.

If he could get good throwing mechanics in 3 years of training (like he has with his FT mechanics) he'd be the NCAA's top QB in the right system.

[tpols]

Lebron as QB pretty much a taller/bigger/more athletic Cam Newton
Blake Griffin can basically become Jimmy Graham of NCAA.. just as big probably more athletic
Rudy Gay and Paul George as WRs
Mike Conley and his 4.3 speed in the slot
Tony Allen/big baby davis as RB/FB

Eric Bledsoe, Rondo and Nate Robinson as CBs
Russel Westbrook as safety
World Peace, Ivan Johnson, and Anthony Bennett as LBs
Dwight Howard and Reggie Evans as DEs relentlessly hunting down QBs like offensive rebounds


Bunch of 7 foot 300+ lb scrubs to build a wall for offensive line.. can even get guys like Zach Randolph and Perkins to fatten up for three years and play DT or tackle

Steve Nash kicking.. they got this.:rockon:

[Real Men Wear Green]

Yes, I listed him as the 2nd TE. They are usually only used for certain packages. You'd run plays specifically designed to get him the ball in the redzone, plays that could work well in the NCAA. like say 3 WR's one side of the field with him being the most inside and the other two run a quick slant and set a pick on his man with him running under and cutting up for a fade route.

He'd have to be accounted for at all times in the redzone at the college level so he'd no doubt have some value. Especially if he was able to successful bulk up enough in 3 years.
Saying he's just going to throw on 40 pounds of muscle and become a football-style athlete is a huge assumption.
Hell KD would actually probably be the starting QB.

6'11 means he'd be able to see the whole field and his 7'6 wingspan would give him a ridiculously high release point in throwing the ball meaning he wouldn't even need elite arm strength with the right mechanics. His athleticism would help him a ton there too. He probably has at least a 4.7 40 time right now.

Plus he wouldn't take a lot of hits as the QB.

If he could get good throwing mechanics in 3 years of training (like he has with his FT mechanics) he'd be the NCAA's top QB in the right system.
And this is an even bigger stretch. The two most important things for a QB are his throwing arm and his ability to read the defense. We have no idea how good Durant is at either.

[CavaliersFTW]

Hell KD would actually probably be the starting QB.

6'11 means he'd be able to see the whole field and his 7'6 wingspan would give him a ridiculously high release point in throwing the ball meaning he wouldn't even need elite arm strength with the right mechanics. His athleticism would help him a ton there too. He probably has at least a 4.7 40 time right now.

Plus he wouldn't take a lot of hits as the QB.

If he could get good throwing mechanics in 3 years of training (like he has with his FT mechanics) he'd be the NCAA's top QB in the right system.
Durant is 6-9, not 6-11. Especially since we're talking about NFL Football, where they actually care to measure players and don't tolerate that height inflation BS.

[russwest0]

The two most important things for a QB are his throwing arm and his ability to read the defense. We have no idea how good Durant is at either.

In the NFL, yes. In the NCAA some guys only spend their whole careers making 1 read and putting up godly numbers. See Johnny Manziel who isn't gonna be drafted in the NFL until the 4th round at the earliest but wins the hiesman in the NCAA

[russwest0]

Durant is 6-9, not 6-11. Especially since we're talking about NFL Football, where they don't go for that height inflation BS.

Okay, but if Durant is 6'9 then LeBron is 6'6

[CavaliersFTW]

Okay, but if Durant is 6'9 then LeBron is 6'6
No, he's 6-7 and 1/4. You see, a little thing called www.draftexpress.com/measurements will save you a lot of guesswork. It's quite a bit more accurate than your powers of speculation.

[russwest0]

No, he's 6-7 and 1/4.

:biggums:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0325/nba_a_durant_lbj_576.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

:biggums:

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0325/nba_a_durant_lbj_576.jpg
Your skull must be 8 inches thick.

[russwest0]

Your cawk must be 8 inches thick.

FTFY

:rockon:

[ihoopallday]

Kobe does play soccer so maybe he could be the kicker/punter :oldlol:

[Real Men Wear Green]

In the NFL, yes. In the NCAA some guys only spend their whole careers making 1 read and putting up godly numbers. See Johnny Manziel who isn't gonna be drafted in the NFL until the 4th round at the earliest but wins the hiesman in the NCAA
I'd just about bet money that Manziel is drafted earlier than that but regardless Manziel has a level of mobility that Durant is nowhere near and he can throw the football wherever he wants. I really have no idea what Manziel would have in common with Durant and am not sure where that comparison is going to take you. There's nothing that any NBA player does that says they would make a good QB, it's a complete unknown which of them have the right talents and in Durant's case all we can say is he's tall.

[AintNoSunshine]

Who knows really, 3 and a half years of training for these world class athletes? :confusedshrug:

[sundizz]

Stupid post (and the name-calling is unnecessary). NBA could create the tallest team but not the biggest. Just about every big-time NCAA program has more 300-pounders than the entire NBA. I can't think of an NBA 300-pound player right now and whoever he is he's probably some overweight center that's barely useful on the court and would have no position on a football field. If being seven feet tall was a real asset wouldn't there be at least one guy that height in the NFL? The negatives that height brings to football far outweigh the positives. NCAA athletes have oftentimes been training for their position since pee wee league. Taking some guy that's never blocked before and making him get fat isn't going to protect your QB.

Wouldn't call anyone else that. Only him. He's a special kind of useless. Has great skills...but wastes it on nonsense like thinking about the size of 60's players cawks.

And umm you realize this right:

"In the 2007 NFL Combine, the offensive lineman average was somewhere between 21% and 24% body fat. However, the lowest body fat percentage was somewhere near 16%. The fattest offensive lineman was just above 30%."

Take Carl Landry, Kevin Love, and Blake Griffin as examples:
Carl Landry measured 6'7.75, 248 lbs with 7.5% bf at combine.
Blake Griffin measured 6'8.5, 248 lbs with 8.2% bf at the combine.
Kevin Love measured 6'7.75, 255 lbs with 12.9% bf at the combine

You don't think they could get to 285+ for football? There are a decent number of NBA players with the size/frame that could pull this off.

Hell, my friend who was 5'7 150 and prolly 12-14% bf put on 30 pounds when he left college and started working in 8 months. Fat, not pure muscle of course...but all he did was eat a lot of food, and pump heavy weights and stopped doing long distance cardio like basketball, jogging, etc.

And the above quote is for NFL lineman. I don't know for certainty, but I would say some of the best athletes in the world could transition to another sport given the time, training and coaching. Individually most of them wouldn't be NFL level players (but I would think above average collegiate level), and there would be a few superstar NFL level talents like Lebron and Nate.

[kentatm]

In the NFL, yes. In the NCAA some guys only spend their whole careers making 1 read and putting up godly numbers. See Johnny Manziel who isn't gonna be drafted in the NFL until the 4th round at the earliest but wins the hiesman in the NCAA

:roll:

well you just proved you don't know squat about football.

[Real Men Wear Green]

And umm you realize this right:

"In the 2007 NFL Combine, the offensive lineman average was somewhere between 21% and 24% body fat. However, the lowest body fat percentage was somewhere near 16%. The fattest offensive lineman was just above 30%."

Take Carl Landry, Kevin Love, and Blake Griffin as examples:
Carl Landry measured 6'7.75, 248 lbs with 7.5% bf at combine.
Blake Griffin measured 6'8.5, 248 lbs with 8.2% bf at the combine.
Kevin Love measured 6'7.75, 255 lbs with 12.9% bf at the combine

You don't think they could get to 285+ for football? There are a decent number of NBA players with the size/frame that could pull this off.

Hell, my friend who was 5'7 150 and prolly 12-14% bf put on 30 pounds when he left college and started working in 8 months. Fat, not pure muscle of course...but all he did was eat a lot of food, and pump heavy weights and stopped doing long distance cardio like basketball, jogging, etc.

And the above quote is for NFL lineman. I don't know for certainty, but I would say some of the best athletes in the world could transition to another sport given the time, training and coaching. Individually most of them wouldn't be NFL level players (but I would think above average collegiate level), and there would be a few superstar NFL level talents like Lebron and Nate.One of the main reason some people believe basketball players to be the best athletes is their jumping ability. That has absolutely nothing to do with blocking. An OL needs some combo of size, toughness, quick feet, and some intelligence for the blocking scheme. Your friend being able to get a little chubby does nothing to prove you can turn Blake Griffin into a lineman. If any fat guy could play there would be nothing special about them. And the NBA players you listed would all be among the tallest in the game. 6'8 OLs normally weigh well over 300 pounds. Heck, 6'2 OLs normally weigh over 300 pounds. The bball PFs that have switched to football are normally undersized 4s that become TEs. None of them has ever become a lineman that I've heard of.

[sundizz]

One of the main reason some people believe basketball players to be the best athletes is their jumping ability. That has absolutely nothing to do with blocking. An OL needs some combo of size, toughness, quick feet, and some intelligence for the blocking scheme. Your friend being able to get a little chubby does nothing to prove you can turn Blake Griffin into a lineman. If any fat guy could play there would be nothing special about them. And the NBA players you listed would all be among the tallest in the game. 6'8 OLs normally weigh well over 300 pounds. Heck, 6'2 OLs normally weigh over 300 pounds. The bball PFs that have switched to football are normally undersized 4s that become TEs. None of them has ever become a lineman that I've heard of.

The thing we can't judge is how a player would react as a football player. Some scrub NBA player could be the best NCAA football player. However, the genetics gifts of NBA players are crazy. The reason that you don't see 6'8+ football player olineman is because people 6'8 with that sort of quickness don't exist outside the NBA (generally). Kevin Love could easily get up to 300 in my opinion. A 6'8 frame can take a lot lot lot of filling out. He would still be incredibly quick. The reason question is whether he'd have the heart to stay in there and do what's necessary as a lineman.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/west-virginia-catholic-school-features-7-foot-2-094301335.html

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-09-26/sports/ct-spt-0927-prep-foot-pvw-1-benet-20130926_1_basketball-coach-gene-heidkamp-pat-new-sean-o-mara

[nathanjizzle]

it takes more skill to play basketball than football. in football each player has a position to play that they only need to be good at. qbs need to be good at throwing, recievers need to be good at catching. running backs need to be fast and juke. basketball players need to have all of those skills in one. jumping shooting, accuracy passing endurance strength rhythem and speed.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The thing we can't judge is how a player would react as a football player. Some scrub NBA player could be the best NCAA football player. However, the genetics gifts of NBA players are crazy. The reason that you don't see 6'8+ football player olineman is because people 6'8 with that sort of quickness don't exist outside the NBA (generally). Kevin Love could easily get up to 300 in my opinion. A 6'8 frame can take a lot lot lot of filling out. He would still be incredibly quick. The reason question is whether he'd have the heart to stay in there and do what's necessary as a lineman.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/highschool-prep-rally/west-virginia-catholic-school-features-7-foot-2-094301335.html

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-09-26/sports/ct-spt-0927-prep-foot-pvw-1-benet-20130926_1_basketball-coach-gene-heidkamp-pat-new-sean-o-mara
You found two high school players. They show nothing about the possibility of making Blake Griffin a good lineman. Sure, a HS blocker can be 250. You, however, are talking about the possibility of making an NBA player team that can beat any NCAA football team. A school like Alabama may see their whole OL get a shot at the NFL. The standard is not the same.

[inclinerator]

i believe they can be the best team in college football, nfl is a different animal tho

[ThickassGlasses]

They would have the worst OL and DL in college football. Height like NBA PF's and C's is not ideal for football. No one in the NBA is tough enough to be a linemen or LB either.

Their OL would get run over every play and their DL would be pushed 10 yards down the field every play. It might prove hard to pass on them with their wingspans and verticals, but that's about it.

[Wally450]

I'm positive Nate Robinson could be a number 3 CB on some team in the NFL. Been saying for ages.

[Flash31]

This is the NBA Forum
not the most overhyped,overrated "sport" Football Forum.

Even answering this is stupid,but even then the odds of best 50-80 nba players training to be football players WILL Turn out better than best 50-80 NFL players training to be basketball players.

Now get this crap about a stupid,overhyped sport on out of here.

This is the NBA Forum,not the ESPN FORUM.

[TheReal Kendall]

Geez this is a stupid thread!

OP definitely doesn't watch any kinda of football.

NBA players would get murdered by College football teams.

I don't care if they do have 3 years to train or whatever.


:roll: at Durant as a TE :facepalm :facepalm

[Trollsmasher]

russwest0 once against proving he has become the biggest retard on this board.

Even pauk knows more about football than this poster.