Dwight Howard 29 points 13 rebounds on 10-13 shooting

[All Net]

Seeing as a topic was made after an off night.. Why not when he plays great?

[branslowski]

When we need threads on the allegedly best Center in the league scoring 29pts u know his offence sucks regularly.:lol

[Mr. Jabbar]

never doubted the man, superman :bowdown:

[Harison]

When Dwight is healthy (and trying), nobody questions he is the best center in NBA.

[fiddy]

When Dwight is healthy (and trying), nobody questions he is the best center in NBA.
In terms of skill id take Brook Lopez over D12.

[All Net]

When we need threads on the allegedly best Center in the league scoring 29pts u know his offence sucks regularly.:lol

More to do with the stupid topic that was created yesterday actually. Hating for the sake of it is pointless

[All Net]

In terms of skill id take Brook Lopez over D12.

He has more post moves that's it..

[CavaliersFTW]

When we need threads on the allegedly best Center in the league scoring 29pts u know his offence sucks regularly.:lol
^ - this

[TheMilkyBarKid]

In terms of skill id take Brook Lopez over D12.
For scoring? Yes, but that's it

[fiddy]

For scoring? Yes, but that's it
+3 blocks per game, hes really trying on D

[O_City_Thunder]

Best center in the league

[SpanishACB]

6 turnovers.

Anthony Davis is twice as effective in fantasy leagues

[buddha]

who guarded him? Robin Lopez? lol

[LakersDaBEst]

who guarded him? Robin Lopez? lol

Lamarcus Aldridge*

[coin24]

Dwight made 10 open dunks out of 13 against a team with no center. Bravo:applause:

[Jameerthefear]

Talk about butthurt Laker fans :roll: :roll:

[rustycage]

I stopped caring about his numbers when he won multiple DPOY, just because of the blocks. :facepalm

[madmax17]

:lol

Dwight recorded this message for all the La fans

http://youtu.be/4yYedcNYkC8?t=1m3s

[disel]

He had that give and go with Harden for the all opp where his head almost hit the rim. I have not seen him that high in about 4 years. He has his lift back.

[fiddy]

Talk about butthurt Laker fans :roll: :roll:
Said Magic fan

[All Net]

Talk about butthurt Laker fans :roll: :roll:
Feels like I'm the only one who isn't.

[All Net]

I stopped caring about his numbers when he won multiple DPOY, just because of the blocks. :facepalm
And the you know.. 15 rebounds.

[Pacquiao]

Rockets now at 4-1..

Lakers with Howard, Gasol, Bryant and Nash started at 0-5. Its funny when you have Howard, World Peace and Kobe on your lineup last season but is still considered one of the worse defensive teams in the NBA giving a lot of points..

D'Antoni is a joke, a clown and will make those defensive players soft ass
B?tches. How can this guy even be a coach?

[fiddy]

Rockets now at 4-1..

Lakers with Howard, Gasol, Bryant and Nash started at 0-5. Its funny when you have Howard, World Peace and Kobe on your lineup last season but is still considered one of the worse defensive teams in the NBA giving a lot of points..

D'Antoni is a joke, a clown and will make those defensive players soft ass
B?tches. How can this guy even be a coach?
Jim Buss

[disel]

Dwight has hit 21 of his last 32 free throws. :rockon:

[ChuckOakley]

Lopez tonight..
27 points
25 minutes
10-13 fg
1 turnover

[yeaaaman]

+3 blocks per game, hes really trying on D

Watch the games Brook Lopez is not a great defender by any stretch of the imagination..Don't bring up his tenacity on the boards either.

[Mr Exlax]

This is really good to see. I was 100% sure this was going to have to come from a Rockets fan. Bravo sir. :applause:

[HylianNightmare]

best c in the game like i have been saying since he was with the magic

[ChuckOakley]

Watch the games Brook Lopez is not a great defender by any stretch of the imagination..Don't bring up his tenacity on the boards either.
He's one of the best defenders in the paint this season.
Opponents are shooting 29% against him at the rim on 9.5 attempts per game.
Watch the games.

Better than Asik, Hibbert, Noah, Duncan, Chandler, Bogut or Dwight (58%)
http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingDefense.html?pageNo=10&rowsPerPage=25&sortField=FGP_DEFEND_RIM&sortOrder=ASC

[juju151111]

He's one of the best defenders in the paint this season.
Opponents are shooting 29% against him at the rim on 9.5 attempts per game.
Watch the games.

Better than Asik, Hibbert, Noah, Duncan, Chandler, Bogut or Dwight (58%)
http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingDefense.html?pageNo=10&rowsPerPage=25&sortField=FGP_DEFEND_RIM&sortOrder=ASC
It doesn't track pick and roll defense and Lopez is a slow rotation.

[ChuckOakley]

It doesn't track pick and roll defense and Lopez is a slow rotation.
He is.. I said "He's one of the best defenders in the paint this season"
When is he drawn out to the perimeter he is not. But that's not too often, and they have KG and AK to help.

[juju151111]

He is.. I said "He's one of the best defenders in the paint this season"
When is he drawn out to the perimeter he is not. But that's not too often, and they have KG and AK to help.
Howard is the better overall defender.

[ChuckOakley]

Howard is the better overall defender.
No duh.
Lopez is world's better offensively. (though he's been better protecting the paint than Howard this season so far)

[HeyIt'sMe]

No duh.
Lopez is world's better offensively. (though he's been better protecting the paint than Howard this season so far)

One day, the almighty Brook Lopez, with all his post moves, might even come close to matching Dwight in head-to-head scoring.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=howardw01&p2=lopezbr01

Dwight poops all over Lopez every time they face off.

[ChuckOakley]

One day, the almighty Brook Lopez, with all his post moves, might even come close to matching Dwight in head-to-head scoring.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=howardw01&p2=lopezbr01

Dwight poops all over Lopez every time they face off.
Yeah.. most those match ups were 3+ years ago.
Look at last season when Lopez was age 24 you can see the trend upwards.

Howard is Lopez's main kryptonite.. he tends to crap on most others including Hibbert.

[HeyIt'sMe]

Yeah.. most those match ups were 3+ years ago.
Look at last season when Lopez was age 24 you can see the trend upwards.

Howard is Lopez's main kryptonite.. he tends to crap on most others including Hibbert.

You mean last season, when Dwight was coming back from back surgery and dealt with shoulder issues all season long?

[juju151111]

No duh.
Lopez is world's better offensively. (though he's been better protecting the paint than Howard this season so far)
He not miles better offensively. Whats Lopez done to be miles better offensively?:facepalm

[ChuckOakley]

He not miles better offensively. Whats Lopez done to be miles better offensively?:facepalm
Last season #1 in points in the paint, #5 in PER.

This year..

PER 36

26.4 ppg
7.7 rpg
3.9 bpg
59% FG
30.9 PER

Opponents are shooting 29% against him at the rim on 9.5 attempts per game.
Better than Asik, Hibbert, Noah, Duncan, Chandler, Bogut or Dwight (58%)


And no, I exaggerated, not miles, but much better.

[ChuckOakley]

You mean last season, when Dwight was coming back from back surgery and dealt with shoulder issues all season long?
Wah, wah, He played didn't he?
Brook was coming off a foot injury if you want to play the excuse card.

Either way this is vs. the league. Lopez only plays Howard twice a year.
He's more dominant offensively than Dwight and so far better defensively in the paint this year.

[ChuckOakley]

Either way Lopez, Gasol and Dwight the 3 best centers in the game.
And Lopez is only 25. Not bad for a former #10 pick with low expectations by most.

Dwight is the better overall player, (mainly because of his rebounding) but he should be.. he's a former #1 pick, older and paid $20m a year. Howard's 3.6 TO's per 36 doesn't help though. (1.9 per 36 for Lopez)

[juju151111]

Last season #1 in points in the paint, #5 in PER.

This year..

PER 36

26.4 ppg
7.7 rpg
3.9 bpg
59% FG
30.9 PER

Opponents are shooting 29% against him at the rim on 9.5 attempts per game.
Better than Asik, Hibbert, Noah, Duncan, Chandler, Bogut or Dwight (58%)


And no, I exaggerated, not miles, but much better.

He has yet to match Dwight Howard 2011 scoring output and he was garbage in the playoffs. Got outplayed by Noah.

[juju151111]

Wah, wah, He played didn't he?
Brook was coming off a foot injury if you want to play the excuse card.

Either way this is vs. the league. Lopez only plays Howard twice a year.
He's more dominant offensively than Dwight and so far better defensively in the paint this year.
Dwight is like a 3 time Dpoty and Lopez have yet to match 2011 Dwight scoring output.

[ChuckOakley]

He has yet to match Dwight Howard 2011 scoring output and he was garbage in the playoffs. Got outplayed by Noah.
LOL

a. He's 25 he will.

B. In his 1st playoffs he outplayed Noah 5/7 games.
He finished #8 in PPG (#1 among all big men PF or C)
#4 in PER
#1 in Blocks

22.3/7.4/3
is what Noah allowed.

And yeah.. he was only playing against the 2nd best defensive team/Center in the East who had a ton more experience.

[ChuckOakley]

Dwight is like a 3 time Dpoty and Lopez have yet to match 2011 Dwight scoring output.
I already said Howard has been the better defender and player.
He should be.. he's older, a former #1 pick making $20m.
He's also better than Yao.

[Mr Exlax]

Yall are missing the point I think.

Lopez is more skilled and polished offensively. He has more moves. Dwight is harder to stop though. Maybe that's what he's trying to say?

[chocolatethunder]

He has more post moves that's it..
And knows how to pass out of a double team.

[juju151111]

I already said Howard has been the better defender and player.
He should be.. he's older, a former #1 pick making $20m.
He's also better than Yao.
You claim Lopez is the better offensive player. How has he been the better offensive player throughout his career.

[pnyozzzoo]

how does this turn into a Lopez vs DH debat?

Howard when healthy shit on Lopez 7 days a week. Lopez with his stiff soft ass got nothing on Howard. Even thu Howard is not 100% like Orlando days(he may never be) but he is much closer and trending up.

I mean who want a softie cannot anchor defense and grab rebounds to anchor your team down low. I d rather have Asik than him. With today's rules and having elite perimeter scoring option. Lopez is even less attractive.

[ChuckOakley]

how does this turn into a Lopez vs DH debat?

Howard when healthy shit on Lopez 7 days a week. Lopez with his stiff soft ass got nothing on Howard. Even thu Howard is not 100% like Orlando days(he may never be) but he is much closer and trending up.

I mean who want a softie cannot anchor defense and grab rebounds to anchor your team down low. I d rather have Asik than him. With today's rules and having elite perimeter scoring option. Lopez is even less attractive.
And yet he's been a much better shot blocker and rim protector than Howard this year (29% vs. 58% opponent FG% at the rim) and the Nets were the 2nd best rebounding team last year with him playing 30mpg.

Sorry, but check your facts before sounding dumb.

[ChuckOakley]

You claim Lopez is the better offensive player. How has he been the better offensive player throughout his career.
Last year and this.

I'm not judging him on 5 games 2 years ago or 3-5 years ago when he wasn't anywhere near the player he is now.

[aj1987]

And yet he's been a much better shot blocker and rim protector than Howard this year (29% vs. 58% opponent FG% at the rim) and the Nets were the 2nd best rebounding team last year with him playing 30mpg.

Sorry, but check your facts before sounding dumb.
You're using a 4 game sample size? :oldlol:
Dwight is a superstar. Lopez is not.
Dwight is a 3x DPOY.
Dwight averaged almost twice as many rebounds as Lopez.
Dwight led Magic was a top 3 defensive team multiple times.
Dwight > Lopez and it's not even close.


Edit: Dwight averaged 17/11 on 62% in the playoffs last year, even though he was in constant foul trouble.

[ChuckOakley]

You're using a 4 game sample size? :oldlol:
Dwight is a superstar. Lopez is not.
Dwight is a 3x DPOY.
Dwight averaged almost twice as many rebounds as Lopez.
Dwight led Magic was a top 3 defensive team multiple times.
Dwight > Lopez and it's not even close.
Where did I say otherwise?!

I'm talking offensively.
Lopez > Howard both this year and last.
This thread was made off a one game sample size moron, so yes I will use a 4 game sample.

[ChuckOakley]

At least we can all agree

Dwight > Yao

I hope.

[aj1987]

Where did I say otherwise?!

I'm talking offensively.
Lopez > Howard both this year and last.
This thread was made off a one game sample size moron, so yes I will use a 4 game sample.
Dwight averaged 17 PPG on 11 shots a game. Lopez averaged 23 on 18 shots. Offensively, Lopez is slightly better but as a player, Lopez is not even on the same tier as Dwight.

[chips93]

Either way Lopez, Gasol and Dwight the 3 best centers in the game.

id throw a healthy noah in with those 3

[ChuckOakley]

Dwight averaged 17 PPG on 11 shots a game. Lopez averaged 23 on 18 shots. Offensively, Lopez is slightly better but as a player, Lopez is not even on the same tier as Dwight.
When was this?
Lopez has never averaged more than 16 FGA ad that was years ago.
Lopez is also not an end of game liability at the line as he shoots 80% and doesn't turn it over nearly as much.

[juju151111]

Last year and this.

I'm not judging him on 5 games 2 years ago or 3-5 years ago when he wasn't anywhere near the player he is now.
Last year Dwight was injured. Lopez got destroyed by Noah in the playoffs.:wtf:

[juju151111]

Where did I say otherwise?!

I'm talking offensively.
Lopez > Howard both this year and last.
This thread was made off a one game sample size moron, so yes I will use a 4 game sample.
Lopez isn't better then Dwight offensively through either. The only year was his injury plagued year last year. Lopez got destroyed by Noah.

[tpols]

Dwight averaged 17 PPG on 11 shots a game. Lopez averaged 23 on 18 shots. Offensively, Lopez is slightly better but as a player, Lopez is not even on the same tier as Dwight.
Lopez is a significantly better offensive player than Dwight.. Better in the post, not a liability at the FT line or prone to turning the ball over(dwight averages like double the TOs).

That stuff matters a lot for building a rythym on offense.. when you cant string anything together because your fumbling the ball and bricking FTs.. especially down the stretch of games when teams intentionally foul. Dwight lost his team a lot of games with that.


Also look at brooks block numbers.. they used to be shit but over the past year he averaged the same amount as Dwight roughly.. 2 in the regular season and 3 in the playoffs. Lopez has twice as many blocks than dwight so far this season. His paint defense has improved drastically. Youre completely underselling him.

[ChuckOakley]

Lopez isn't better then Dwight offensively through either. The only year was his injury plagued year last year. Lopez got destroyed by Noah.
Lopez was coming off injury too and continues to be better this season.

[juju151111]

Lopez was coming off injury too and continues to be better this season.
Oh please... Howard injury was more serious and he gotten another injury in that season. Lopez got destroyed by Noah in the playoffs. Noah for god sakes.

[ChuckOakley]

Oh please... Howard injury was more serious and he gotten another injury in that season. Lopez got destroyed by Noah in the playoffs. Noah for god sakes.
Really?
Being the highest scoring big man (PF/C) for the playoffs and being #4 in PER and #1 in blocks is not destroying Noah?


Anyway, you're a moron.
I'm done.

Offensively Lopez > Dwight.

Overall:
Dwight > Lopez
Dwight > Yao

[aj1987]

When was this?
Lopez has never averaged more than 16 FGA ad that was years ago.
Lopez is also not an end of game liability at the line as he shoots 80% and doesn't turn it over nearly as much.
My bad. It's 15. Still, Howard as a player is much better than Brook. Dwight is a top 10 player. Lopez is not.

[tpols]

Oh please... Howard injury was more serious and he gotten another injury in that season. Lopez got destroyed by Noah in the playoffs. Noah for god sakes.
Lopez played 5 games the previous season.:oldlol:

The biggest reason for Howards poor play was pouting.. his heart wasnt in the game.

[pnyozzzoo]

Lopez is one of those stats looks nice but has much less impact than it suggest player. Like Rudy Gay. No matter how you slice it, he just do feel like the one.

[ChuckOakley]

My bad. It's 15. Still, Howard as a player is much better than Brook. Dwight is a top 10 player. Lopez is not.
I have NEVER said otherwise.
Learn to read.

Dwight is top 4. (LBJ, Durant, Paul, Dwight)
I love Dwight, but he's not the offensive player Lopez is.

[ChuckOakley]

Lopez is one of those stats looks nice but has much less impact than it suggest player. Like Rudy Gay. No matter how you slice it, he just do feel like the one.
Really.. so his best game of the season happened to coincide with a blow out last night?
His best season, coincided with the Nets best season in ages?
He is the Nets best player.. Pierce is 2nd.

[juju151111]

Lopez played 5 games the previous season.:oldlol:

The biggest reason for Howards poor play was pouting.. his heart wasnt in the game.
No the biggest reason was his back and shoulder injuries.

[ChuckOakley]

No the biggest reason was his back and shoulder injuries.
No, he didn't want to be in LAL.

[juju151111]

I have NEVER said otherwise.
Learn to read.

Dwight is top 5.
I love Dwight, but he's not the offensive player Lopez is.
What happened to Lopez offensively in the playoffs? Howard had multiple seasons of 20ppg on 50+%. What has Lopez done to be seen has the better offensive player? This is just a 4 game sample size. Lets give them 20+ games. Lopez isn't going to be better this season.

[juju151111]

No, he didn't want to be in LAL.
He also was missing dunks and not showing his lift. Howard talked about it in the off-season that he was not healthy.

[CanYouDigIt]

Hail Dwight :bowdown:

Dwight is the best center in the league.

Top 5 PPG
#1 RPG
Top 10 FG% (>30 FGA)
Top 15 FT%
Top 15 APG
Top 25 SPG
Top 15 BPG
8th in Minutes Played
#1 in Double Doubles

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[ChuckOakley]

What happened to Lopez offensively in the playoffs? Howard had multiple seasons of 20ppg on 50+%. What has Lopez done to be seen has the better offensive player? This is just a 4 game sample size. Lets give them 20+ games. Lopez isn't going to be better this season.
Is this a joke?
His #'s went up.
He was the highest scoring PF or C in the playoffs.
#8 overall.
#4 in PER

In his 1st playoffs against a team and center that some regard as the best in the game on defense.

So far per 36:

26.4 PPG on 59%/80%, 1.9 TOs
vs.
18.7 ppg on 56%/56%, 3.6 TOs

[juju151111]

Hail Dwight :bowdown:

Dwight is the best center in the league.

Top 5 PPG
#1 RPG
Top 10 FG% (>30 FGA)
Top 15 FT%
Top 15 APG
Top 25 SPG
Top 15 BPG
8th in Minutes Played
#1 in Double Doubles

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
:bowdown:

[ZHAKIDD532]

It's great watching him play this way now.

[Mr Exlax]

Dwight Goatward?

[chips93]

Top 5 PPG
Top 15 FT%
Top 15 APG
Top 25 SPG


wut

[CanYouDigIt]

wut
In catagory of centers

[YouGotServed]

At least we can all agree

Dwight > Yao

I hope.

Yao > Dwight

[chips93]

Yao > Dwight

RG!

man, i thought you finally got permabanned

[Heavincent]

Anthony Davis >

[Jameerthefear]

lolllll laker fans in this thread. :roll:

[SCdac]

Great game from him. If he can average closer to 15 FGA per game than 10 FGA per game, I think it's going to bode really well for him. Scoring wise and offense wise , I still don't put him in a tier any better than 05 Amare or 06 Brand really. But if he continues to hit his FT's it'll go a long way for both him and the Rockets.

[brantonli]

Great game from him. If he can average closer to 15 FGA per game than 10 FGA per game, I think it's going to bode really well for him. Scoring wise and offense wise , I still don't put him in a tier any better than 05 Amare or 06 Brand really. But if he continues to hit his FT's it'll go a long way for both him and the Rockets.

The problem is that FGA doesn't capture when Dwight loses the ball or when he gets fouled and shoots free throws. There were games where I'd go 'Damn they're giving Dwight more looks than usual on the block' but he'd only go 4-6 because he shoots so many FTs.

[BallsOut]

Stupid thread, OP cherry picks stats and leaves out 6 turnovers, not to mention I bet 8 of those 10 made shots were open dunks.

Though I guess it's pretty rare to see a game where Dwight drops 20 points with his non-existent post game despite 10 years in the league to develop it. So congratulations :applause:

[EricGordon23]

Vucevic >