Sweden: one of the most vile shitholes in the world

[tomtucker]

first of, they let uncontrolled numbers of immigrants into their country, have no pride or backbone to say no, and now this:
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http://www.mail.com/int/entertainment/lifestyle/2441354-swedish-cinemas-launch-feminist-movie-rating.html#.1258-stage-hero1-2


a truly weak and pussifed country .........there are no real men there

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:biggums:

[TheReturn]

To get an "A'' rating, a movie must pass the so-called Bechdel test, which means it must have at least two named female characters who talk to each other about something other than a man. "The entire 'Lord of the Rings' trilogy, all 'Star Wars' movies, 'The Social Network,' 'Pulp Fiction' and all but one of the 'Harry Potter' movies fail this test," said Ellen Tejle, the director of Bio Rio, an art-house movie theater in Stockholm's trendy Sodermalm district.



Actually pretty interesting

[DCL]

does the movie get an "A" if the women sit in a kitchen, as they should, and talk about making dinner? :lol

[miller-time]

Kind of a lame criterion. I don't think the idea is all bad, but female characters having arbitrary conversations is not equality. Is Saving Private Ryan a demonstration of gender bias because it doesn't have two females talking to each other? Were the ladies in the typing pool supposed to discuss typewriter ribbon preferences so the film can get an A rating?

A better approach would be to give all films an A to start with and if anything in the film is a clear demonstration of gender bias then points are taken off.

[AintNoSunshine]

This is literally retarded:facepalm Might as well add to the criterion "must have a black dude, asian dude, indian dude, black woman, asian woman etc" talkin about something other than white people:facepalm

While they're at it, must have at least one muslim, one jew, one budhist talk about something religious other than christianit:facepalm

[bagelred]

first of, they let uncontrolled numbers of immigrants into their country, have no pride or backbone to say no, and now this:
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http://www.mail.com/int/entertainment/lifestyle/2441354-swedish-cinemas-launch-feminist-movie-rating.html#.1258-stage-hero1-2


a truly weak and pussifed country .........there are no real men there

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:biggums:

You ever think the problem is you and not them?

[millwad]

first of, they let uncontrolled numbers of immigrants into their country, have no pride or backbone to say no, and now this:
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http://www.mail.com/int/entertainment/lifestyle/2441354-swedish-cinemas-launch-feminist-movie-rating.html#.1258-stage-hero1-2


a truly weak and pussifed country .........there are no real men there

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:biggums:

You're such a clown.

First of all, the girl behind the project works for a single independent hipster cinema which focuses on art bogus. Nobody even goes to those cinemas to start with, so you judge a country based on the non-harmin actions of an independent hipster cinema.

And regarding Sweden's immigrants, based on percentage the US takes in more immigants per year compared to Sweden.

If someone's a *****, it's definitely you.

[gigantes]

will it hurt anyone or cost a lot of money?


if no, then i

[DCL]

If there is no money shot at the end, the film does not get an A.

[niko]

Not liking how hipsters rate films makes a place a vile shithole? Brooklyn must be a horrific place if hipster values are a key rating indicator.

[gigantes]

If there is no money shot at the end, the film does not get an A.
choose your poison well, DCL.

under such a system, a "money shot" would mean one character reading a long letter left by another, tears rolling down cheeks, followed by a three-minute panoramic fadeout.

[LJJ]

The Bechdel test was named after:
http://i.imgur.com/0WpXD0m.jpg


Anyway, the reason this militant feminism finds so little resonance in society is because they focus on the wrong things, like this Bechdel test. "Eewww, why don't all these male writers and male directors create movies with multiple interesting leading female characters????". Instead they should be thinking about why there are so few females writing or creating decent movies even though they have every opportunity in the world to do so. This is not a male problem, even though that is all they are focusing on.

[KevinNYC]

Not liking how hipsters rate films makes a place a vile shithole? Brooklyn must be a horrific place if hipster values are a key rating indicator.
Niko,

I was on line at a celebrated Thai place in Brooklyn and had these superannoying Manhattanites behind me on their first trip to Kings County. Among other things I learned from them is that
If Brooklyn was its own city, it would be the second largest city in America behind Manhattan. (Actually, it would be LA, Chicago, Brooklyn, Queens, Houston and then Manhattan.) Also apparently "half of Brooklyn is a ghetto."

http://img.rakuten.com/PIC/43434472/0/1/500/43434472.jpg

Food was unbelievably good, but damn these yuppies were annoying.

[chips93]

Anyway, the reason this militant feminism finds so little resonance in society is because they focus on the wrong things, like this Bechdel test. "Eewww, why don't all these male writers and male directors create movies with multiple interesting leading female characters????". Instead they should be thinking about why there are so few females writing or creating decent movies even though they have every opportunity in the world to do so. This is not a male problem, even though that is all they are focusing on.

well, i think the feminist rebuttal to that would be that they dont have equal opportunity to make films, as audiences are sexist, and arent interested in seeing woman-centric films, so they dont get made.

[KevinNYC]

The Bechdel test was named after:
http://i.imgur.com/0WpXD0m.jpg


Anyway, the reason this militant feminism finds so little resonance in society is because they focus on the wrong things, like this Bechdel test. "Eewww, why don't all these male writers and male directors create movies with multiple interesting leading female characters????". Instead they should be thinking about why there are so few females writing or creating decent movies even though they have every opportunity in the world to do so. This is not a male problem, even though that is all they are focusing on.


A. So this means the Bechdel test is from that pussified country called America.

B. Your analysis of the issues misses the point of economics. There are tons and tons of women novelists being published. It's not like the stories aren't there. The difference between a book and movie is finance. The studios would have put money into them.

[LJJ]

B. Your analysis of the issues misses the point of economics. There are tons and tons of women novelists being published. It's not like the stories aren't there. The difference between a book and movie is finance. The studios would have put money into them.

I disagree. A financer will finance that which will sell. Like the guy financing Transformers is actually excited to watch that trash, of course not.

And it's not like high budget movies that target a female audience do get made, like Twilight or Sex and the City. (of course not the stuff that pleases these militant feminists) You can't tell me Twilight gets made but the female versions of The Shawshank Redemption keep filling up the rejection bin.

Besides, you don't need financing to make a great movie. Where is the female Clerks?


well, i think the feminist rebuttal to that would be that they dont have equal opportunity to make films, as audiences are sexist, and arent interested in seeing woman-centric films, so they dont get made.

I disagree. But if the audience is the problem, why are they screaming at the content creators for creating what the audience wants? It's not constructive, it's straight up whining.

[chips93]

I disagree. But if the audience is the problem, why are they screaming at the content creators for creating what the audience wants? It's not constructive, it's straight up whining.

are they screaming at content creators?

i think their point is to open audiences' eyes to how small a role women have in cinema.

and as a result of that, people might be more interested in seeing more female centric films, and create a demand for these kinds of movies.

[ballup]

It won't affect the general public, aside from inducing laughter.

[OldSkoolball#52]

A. So this means the Bechdel test is from that pussified country called America.

B. Your analysis of the issues misses the point of economics. There are tons and tons of women novelists being published. It's not like the stories aren't there. The difference between a book and movie is finance. The studios would have put money into them.


And for that, the public has to want them.

And the majority of audiences, including most women - don't give a shit about movies with a dull and forced feminist agenda.

The public gets a lot more of what it truly wants than people think. Sometimes they just don't like to admit that because what the public ultimately wants is not some PC equality lovefest. So they blame it on rich people or history or this or that, anything but themselves.

[Nick Young]

well, i think the feminist rebuttal to that would be that they dont have equal opportunity to make films, as audiences are sexist, and arent interested in seeing woman-centric films, so they dont get made.
Or sometimes they are given the opportunity and screw it up by creating shit. Diablo Cody, wtf is that shit.

The woman who directed Hurt Locker is good but dont think any of her films would pass the Bechdel test, even Zero Dark Thirty which has a woman as the lead

[LJJ]

are they screaming at content creators?

i think their point is to open audiences' eyes to how small a role women have in cinema.

and as a result of that, people might be more interested in seeing more female centric films, and create a demand for these kinds of movies.

They are "opening the audience' eyes" by branding specific movies as misogynist. It's the blame and complain game, there is nothing constructive about it.

[KeylessEntry]

Niko,

I was on line at a celebrated Thai place in Brooklyn and had these superannoying Manhattanites behind me on their first trip to Kings County. Among other things I learned from them is that
If Brooklyn was its own city, it would be the second largest city in America behind Manhattan. (Actually, it would be LA, Chicago, Brooklyn, Queens, Houston and then Manhattan.) Also apparently "half of Brooklyn is a ghetto."

http://img.rakuten.com/PIC/43434472/0/1/500/43434472.jpg

Food was unbelievably good, but damn these yuppies were annoying.

Pok Pok is awesome. They have a location in Portland, best Thai food in a town with a ton of Thai food. Hopefully you tried the fish sauce wings.

[rufuspaul]

least two named female characters who talk to each other about something other than a man


Does not exist in the real world, why should it in films?

[chips93]

They are "opening the audience' eyes" by branding specific movies as misogynist. It's the blame and complain game, there is nothing constructive about it.

it might make people think about what a small role women have in cinema.

thats constructive.

[LJJ]

it might make people think about what a small role women have in cinema.

thats constructive.

Constructive in the way every banal complaint is constructive.

[CeltsGarlic]

Does not exist in the real world, why should it in films?
:lol

[chips93]

Constructive in the way every banal complaint is constructive.

so, pointing out a perceived injustice/inequality is now just a 'banal complaint'?

[DonD13]

if implemented everywhere, the outcome would probably be that movies try to get a bad gender rating on purpose for publicity.

Say James Bond numbers drop. So to get publicity they make James Bond tell Miss Moneypenny to get her hoe ass in the kitchen and him a sandwich lol

@op: why so :mad: ?

[LJJ]

so, pointing out a perceived injustice/inequality is now just a 'banal complaint'?

There is nothing unjust about a free society where movies written by women about women don't reach the same frequency of output and popularity as other movies. Women go to the cinema just as much as men go to the cinema. Women watch tv just as much as men. These women have a free choice to watch the movies they want to watch. They just don't happen to agree with the very specific and unrealistic standards for gender equality that militant feminists set for it. That's not important to a normal person.


You know what would be constructive? If all these militant feminists would create a nice movie production company where they can create and promote all the amazing female-centric movies they want. Promote young, promising female talent. I could get behind that. Everyone could get behind that. Use all that anger for something positive. Not by promoting some type of deeply flawed test where they want to point out their falsely perceived misogyny, that's not what I consider to be constructive.

[chips93]

There is nothing unjust about a free society where movies written by women about women don't reach the same frequency of output and popularity as other movies. Women go to the cinema just as much as men go to the cinema. Women watch tv just as much as men. These women have a free choice to watch the movies they want to watch. They just don't happen to agree with the very specific and unrealistic standards for gender equality that militant feminists set for it. That's not important to a normal person.

well, i think their point is that it ought to be.


You know what would be constructive? If all these militant feminists would create a nice movie production company where they can create and promote all the amazing female-centric movies they want. Promote young, promising female talent. I could get behind that. Everyone could get behind that. Use all that anger for something positive. Not by promoting some type of deeply flawed test where they want to point out their falsely perceived misogyny, that's not what I consider to be constructive.

why do you keeping saying that they are militant, or angry? where are you getting that from.

it doesnt say that they arent producing movies, regardless producing movies is very expensive, i doubt they have the money.



the way i see it is this; they think people dont see that there is a lack of female prsence in cinema right now, and that they are shedding light on this, in the hope that it would make people think, and maybe support women in the film industry. i dont see how there is anything militant about it

obviously their definition of gender bias is very arbitrary, but its better than nothing.

[LJJ]

why do you keeping saying that they are militant, or angry? where are you getting that from.

Let's face it, virtually all women who grow up in a free western society are feminists. A lot of women feel comfortable in a more traditional gender role, but the women who actually feel that's the way "god meant it" for all women, beyond their personal setting are a small minorty.

Most men in western society are feminists at hart too.

These people generally focus on the broad strokes, the important issues. Making sure kids grow up in an equal opportunity society. Trying to make sure that abusive male-dominant relationships are a thing of the past. Stuff like that.


Then there is a group of hardline feminists who are still angry about this whole deal and angry at society itself. They are the group who focuses on inane, unimportant shit like what movies people should like. Generally they are very masculine women who are unable to come to terms with the fact they maybe they are not the norm. Instead of accepting that they are exceptionally masculine, they believe society has brainwashed the vast majority of women into acting feminine. The reality is that society simply doesn't directly caters to extremes. And they won't be happy until they see half of the female population acting like stereotypical men and half the male population like stereotypical women. Pointing out that Harry Potter is a misogynist series, even though the series is written by a women and the most competent leading character is a girl, isn't feminism: it's militant fringe feminism bullshit.

[KevinNYC]

Pok Pok is awesome. They have a location in Portland, best Thai food in a town with a ton of Thai food. Hopefully you tried the fish sauce wings.
You're damn right, I got the fish sauce wings. I'm going to try and make those at home pretty soon.

It such a pain in the ass to go to the NYC version of Pok Pok, because it's a tiny place and line starts before they open up. It's also not near a subway.

I went to a big empty Thai place by my house the other day, I thought I hope when this place goes bankrupt Pok Pok moves in.

He opened up a place in new york, just for the wings, but I think he found it too labor intensive, so he turned it into just a pad thai place.

[KevinNYC]

I disagree. A financer will finance that which will sell. Like the guy financing Transformers is actually excited to watch that trash, of course not.
Your original post was about why women don't right decent movies. Is your solution more women should write Transformers?

Instead they should be thinking about why there are so few females writing or creating decent movies even though they have every opportunity in the world to do so
(is transformers decent?)

[QUOTE=LJJ]Besides, you don't need financing to make a great movie. Where is the female Clerks?/QUOTE]

Clerks is not a great movie.

[LJJ]

Your original post was about why women don't right decent movies. Is your solution more women should write Transformers?

(is transformers decent?)


Besides, you don't need financing to make a great movie. Where is the female Clerks?

Clerks is not a great movie.

You are grandiosely missing the point. You said that studios won't finance movies with female-centric content, and thus the lack of female-centric can be explained simply by a lack of financial backing. I used Transformers as an example that studios will finance anything that is expected to get a return, regardless of their personal opinion of the content.

[KevinNYC]

You are grandiosely missing the point. You said that studios won't finance movies with female-centric content, and thus the lack of female-centric can be explained simply by a lack of financial backing. I used Transformers as an example that studios will finance anything that is expected to get a return, regardless of their personal opinion of the content.

Never said simply.




Fun fact: In the early days of Hollywood, women wrote up to half of the movies made.

[fiddy]

Perfect example how feminism is destroying modern society.

[miller-time]

Perfect example how feminism is destroying modern society.

http://hellogiggles.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/18/Do-not-think-it-means-289x250.jpeg

[Bucket_Nakedz]

i don't understand the the thread title at all. how can sweden be a shithole when its full of blonde snowbunnies?

[tomtucker]

if implemented everywhere, the outcome would probably be that movies try to get a bad gender rating on purpose for publicity.

Say James Bond numbers drop. So to get publicity they make James Bond tell Miss Moneypenny to get her hoe ass in the kitchen and him a sandwich lol

@op: why so :mad: ?

just messing around :oldlol: ..........but the swedish population is realy spineless
, and they claim to have been mighty viking warriors, when infact it was the Norwegians and the Danes that were the most badass vikings......

[tomtucker]

i don't understand the the thread title at all. how can sweden be a shithole when its full of blonde snowbunnies?

coz for some reason they don

[RidonKs]

Bio Rio is one of four Swedish movie theaters that launched the new rating last month to draw attention to how few movies pass. Most visitors have reacted positively to the initiative "and for some people it has been an eye-opener," said Tejle, reclining in one of Bio Rio's cushy red seats.

Beliefs about women's roles in society are influenced by the fact that movie watchers rarely see "a female superhero or a female professor or person who makes it through exciting challenges and masters them," Tejle said, noting that the rating doesn't say anything about the quality of the film. "The goal is to see more female stories and perspectives on cinema screens."

this quote about sums up my feelings. it's a good idea in theory but poorly executed and should by no means be pushed by the state as any kind of a remedy.



that crazed militant vengeful aaarRGHHH stereotyping of this is pretty fking silly if you ask me. the director of the theatre featured in the story made the same decision a few other executives made, to implement this rating system. they're using it to open eyes about the systematic discrimination

the way you people are talking about this is as if you don't believe taste and preference is at all conditioned by a) what's available and b) what's prominent. and maybe you don't... you should just know that's pretty much an insane position to hold at this point.

this isn't petulant whining or bullshit blaming. women in influential positions in swedish cinema are using a rating system that will emphasize movies that promote values they believe in so that, over time, they will become more popular. the rating system sucks and doesn't do what it's supposed to imo... but that doesn't validate the criticism that they should just "make the damn feminist movies themselves, otherwise they're wasting their time".

[Lebowski]

first of, they let uncontrolled numbers of immigrants into their country, have no pride or backbone to say no, and now this:
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http://www.mail.com/int/entertainment/lifestyle/2441354-swedish-cinemas-launch-feminist-movie-rating.html#.1258-stage-hero1-2


a truly weak and pussifed country .........there are no real men there

.
:biggums:

Meanwhile, in a country with real men like New Zealand, they form and start rape-gangs!

[Swaggin916]

I think this is cool. We need more feminists... more women want to get shit done not just please men, have kids. that's kind of a natural thing so it's tough.

[reppy]

this quote about sums up my feelings. it's a good idea in theory but poorly executed and should by no means be pushed by the state as any kind of a remedy.



that crazed militant vengeful aaarRGHHH stereotyping of this is pretty fking silly if you ask me. the director of the theatre featured in the story made the same decision a few other executives made, to implement this rating system. they're using it to open eyes about the systematic discrimination

the way you people are talking about this is as if you don't believe taste and preference is at all conditioned by a) what's available and b) what's prominent. and maybe you don't... you should just know that's pretty much an insane position to hold at this point.

this isn't petulant whining or bullshit blaming. women in influential positions in swedish cinema are using a rating system that will emphasize movies that promote values they believe in so that, over time, they will become more popular. the rating system sucks and doesn't do what it's supposed to imo... but that doesn't validate the criticism that they should just "make the damn feminist movies themselves, otherwise they're wasting their time".

I'm not sure if it was this article or not, but I think they said all of the Harry Potter films except one failed this test. Thinking back on the films, I'm having trouble recalling any scenes where 2 or more girls talked about anything not related to boys. BUT, to me, Hermione is the female role that feminists want. So it seems crazy that it wouldn't "pass" because of that one rule.

It is a mildly amusing rating system, though. I don't know why so many people are upset or threatened by it. Ya'll think women sit around all day talking about you? Get over yourself. :D