GT: Jazz (0-4) @ Celtics (0-4) 11/6/2013 - The tank battle

[salwan]

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Who you got?
May the better tank win.

:lol

[Real Men Wear Green]

I understand the tanking but I don't want to see a team that's historically bad. You don't need to be 0-82, please win a game.

[Harison]

May the better tank win.

:roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

Jazz look better on paper but a back to back on the road could be tough even against the pathetic Celts.

[fiddy]

Who you got?
May the worse tank win.

:lol
Fixed

[salwan]

I understand the tanking but I don't want to see a team that's historically bad. You don't need to be 0-82, please win a game.

but..but.. but.. WIGGINS :banana:

[CeltsGarlic]

Utah "Wiggins vs Boston "Wiggins"

[ballup]

Oh hell naw. Celtics tank is so damn heavy. Jazz can't compete with at that

[CeltsGarlic]

Our point guard is not a point guard. "The Big Boston Secret" exposed.

[imdaman99]

I understand the tanking but I don't want to see a team that's historically bad. You don't need to be 0-82, please win a game.
HOW MANY ping pong balls do they get if they go 0-82? :lol

Shit, I'd take the Knicks not winning a game for 2 years if it meant they get 2 superstars that will play for them the next 10 years... with their luck, the Knicks wouldn't even own draft picks for those 2 years :roll:

:(

[Shade8780]

I understand the tanking but I don't want to see a team that's historically bad. You don't need to be 0-82, please win a game.
This. The Nets and Bobcats were all-time bad teams and in both of their drafts, they got the second and third pick. Hardly ever does the worst team in the league get the first pick.

[Bigsmoke]

😴😴😴😴

[CelticBaller]

Lets go Jazz!

[JimmyMcAdocious]

If a team ever went 0-82, I guarantee they wouldn't get the #1 pick. NBA would rig it to punish them for such blatant tanking.

[chips93]

This. The Nets and Bobcats were all-time bad teams and in both of their drafts, they got the second and third pick. Hardly ever does the worst team in the league get the first pick.

its as if the worst team only has a 25% chance to get it!

:lol

[CelticBaller]

This. The Nets and Bobcats were all-time bad teams and in both of their drafts, they got the second and third pick. Hardly ever does the worst team in the league get the first pick.
Last time the worst team won the lotto was 9 years ago, have faith brothers!

[Xiao Yao You]

Our point guard is not a point guard. "The Big Boston Secret" exposed.

I guess you haven't noticed who's playing pg for the Jazz than?


its as if the worst team only has a 25% chance to get it!

But that's why this is the year to tank. Any of the first few picks could be a big winner. Some think Wiggins won't even be the guy at the top.

[alenleomessi]

the winner gets a bust the loser gets wiggins... let the tanking begin!

[mrpibb]

The Jazz win tonight because they try. If they don't it's because Brad Stevens isn't doing his job.

[ballup]

Crawford starting? Look out for that heat check.

[ballup]

Holy crap the Celts look terrible.

[mrpibb]

Boston is really, really bad.

[R.I.P.]

Enes Kanter is happening. No doubt. He

[CelticBaller]

Gordan hayward looks like a nice complimentary player for the jazz's bigs

[mrpibb]

Ty Corbin needs to chew someone the hell out for this defense.

[ProfessorMurder]

How the f*ck is Boston winning? Utah should be ashamed.

[mrpibb]

Jamaal Tinsley: +7 in 7 mins
John Lucas III: -11 in 11 mins

The Jazz have scored 4 points in half a quarter.

EDIT: Holy shit, Ty. Put all the starters on the damn floor right now if you want to win this game.

EDIT #2: Give Hayward the ****ing ball and get the **** out of the way. I think I'm turning into a Lakers fan circa 2005.

[CelticBaller]

Our first win? :no:

[mrpibb]

Development of the Core Four:

A. Burks: 2 pts (1-3 FG), 1 reb, 0 ast, 2 to, 0 pf [-8 in 8 minutes]
G. Hayward: 12 pts (5-7 FG), 4 reb, 2 ast, 1 to, 2 pf [-8 in 20 minutes]
D. Favors: 2 pts (1-6 FG), 9 reb, 1 ast, 1 to, 2 blk, 0 pf [-7 in 20 minutes]
E. Kanter: 8 pts (4-8 FG), 3 reb, 0 ast, 0 to, 0 pf [-5 in 16 minutes]

Alec Burks was horrific. He was just bad.

As stated earlier, give Hayward the ****ing ball. He's the only positive so far in this game.

Favors needs to finish.

Kanter needs to get more than 3 rebounds.

[Xiao Yao You]

Jamaal Tinsley: +7 in 7 mins
John Lucas III: -11 in 11 mins

No excuse for both of them being on the team other than the tank. They are both 3rd pg's at best.

[b1imtf]

Our first win? :no:
:(

[mrpibb]

No excuse for both of them being on the team other than the tank. They are both 3rd pg's at best.

Their purpose of their being on the team is to make sure that Trey Burke is the best point guard on the team. They could have brought in Luke Ridnour, but Ridnour's better than Burke at this time in their careers; Ty obviously needs to start Burke, but starting a worse player over another doesn't sit right with the locker room.

I kind of got mad at Ty during that run, but looking back it was just Kanter and Favors missing shots. Hayward only attempted two shots in the second quarter.

EDIT: Richard Jefferson, I appreciate you.

[UtahJazzFan88]

Kanter, Hayward, Favors, and Burks are solid players. But there is absolutely NOBODY else on this team that is worth a damn besides Rush, and Marvin Williams who have been hurt. Richard Jefferson sometimes shows up, but hardly. Lucas and Tinsley shouldn't even be back-ups in this league.

Although it is probably a good thing we can get a great pick in the draft.

[mrpibb]

Richard Jefferson has shown up more than Derrick Favors has this year.

[Wally450]

In b4 Celtics blow this lead and lose.

[mrpibb]

In b4 Celtics blow this lead and lose.

That's not possible. The way you come back from a 20 point deficit is by cutting it down to something like 10 by the beginning of the 4th quarter. We cannot outscore the Celtics by 22 in 12 minutes.

EDIT: The Jazz are shooting a better percentage than the Celtics and losing by 13.

[CelticBaller]

Olynyk sucks

[mrpibb]

Olynyk sucks

He was a beast tonight and is the reason you will win. This post sucks.

EDIT: Now Ian Clark? That dude is bad.

EDIT #2:

Development of the Core Four (update):

A. Burks: 8 pts (4-9 FG), 4 reb, 0 ast, 1 stl, 4 to, 0 pf [+6 in 22 min]
G. Hayward: 28 pts (12-20 FG), 9 reb, 5 ast, 1 stl, 2 to, 3 pf [-1 in 39 min]
D. Favors: 10 pts (4-10 FG), 14 reb, 1 ast, 3 blk, 3 to, 4 pf [-12 in 34 min]
E. Kanter: 22 pts (9-14 FG), 8 reb, 0 ast, 0 to, 2 pf [-4 in 22 min]

David Locke noticed that Alec Burks is terrible in the first quarter of games. Ty should really consider only playing this guy in the second half.

Hayward is a player. He didn't shoot enough, frankly.

This was a needed game for Favors. He needed to have a bad, frustrating game where he can't get subbed out for Millsap or Jefferson. He made some strides but eventually lost his cool with his fourth foul.

Kanter is a put-back machine, but he needs to crash the boards that don't lead to his scoring--namely, defensive.

[CelticBaller]

He was a beast tonight and is the reason you will win. This post sucks.
I watch him play every night and the guy is far from a beast. He chucks and misses open shots in the pain. Don't bite into the "hype"

Thanks for the Neg btw. :coleman:

[mans1ay3r]

First win.. and it was excruciating to watch.

[CelticBaller]

First win.. and it was excruciating to watch.
It's going to be a long season :(

[El Kabong]

Well that was terrible. Hopefully Rush and Williams are back full time soon so I don't have to see Mike Harris as much.

Won't be winning any games soon with that many turnovers either.

[mrpibb]

I watch him play every night and the guy is far from a beast. He chucks and misses open shots in the pain. Don't bite into the "hype"

Thanks for the Neg btw. :coleman:

You're welcome. The game was won when Olynyk took Faverani's job. Remember those first six minutes? That's when Faverani played. You know the rest of the game? That's when Faverani didn't play.

[kNIOKAS]

Olynyk sucks
Are you going to stop picking on a player you don't like?

[Xiao Yao You]

Their purpose of their being on the team is to make sure that Trey Burke is the best point guard on the team. They could have brought in Luke Ridnour, but Ridnour's better than Burke at this time in their careers; Ty obviously needs to start Burke, but starting a worse player over another doesn't sit right with the locker room.

That's the biggest problem with it. Burke looked like a D-leaguer. Neto looked better. He wanted to come over. But they would have looked bad if their late 2nd rounder was better than their lottery pick they traded up for.


there is absolutely NOBODY else on this team that is worth a damn besides Rush, and Marvin Williams who have been hurt. Richard Jefferson sometimes shows up, but hardly.

Marvin sucks! I'll take Jefferson or Harris over him any day of the week. Biedrins can rebound and block shots. Evans with a jumper could be a legitimate bench player. Gobert is raw but looks like he will be a player. They have no NBA pg other than Burks who belongs in a NBA rotation. That is their biggest problem.


Lucas and Tinsley shouldn't even be back-ups in this league.

3rd stringers. 2 of them with a D-leaguer in Burke. Obvious tank.


Richard Jefferson has shown up more than Derrick Favors has this year.

Yep. Not surprising really. Favors hasn't progressed since he's been in the league.


Now Ian Clark? That dude is bad.

The good news is his contract is only guranteed for the first couple months so he'll probably be gone unless he shows them something before than. Ideally him and Gobert will be in the D-league if they get healthy.


Development of the Core Four (update):

A. Burks: 8 pts (4-9 FG), 4 reb, 0 ast, 1 stl, 4 to, 0 pf [+6 in 22 min]
G. Hayward: 28 pts (12-20 FG), 9 reb, 5 ast, 1 stl, 2 to, 3 pf [-1 in 39 min]
D. Favors: 10 pts (4-10 FG), 14 reb, 1 ast, 3 blk, 3 to, 4 pf [-12 in 34 min]
E. Kanter: 22 pts (9-14 FG), 8 reb, 0 ast, 0 to, 2 pf [-4 in 22 min]

Hayward with 2 nice games in a row. Nice to see. He's started slowly every year of his career.


David Locke noticed that Alec Burks is terrible in the first quarter of games. Ty should really consider only playing this guy in the second half.
He's got to learn. That's what this year's supposed to be about.


Hayward is a player. He didn't shoot enough, frankly.

That's not really his game. He'll be at his best filling the box score. Kanter and Burks are more natural scorers.


This was a needed game for Favors. He needed to have a bad, frustrating game where he can't get subbed out for Millsap or Jefferson. He made some strides but eventually lost his cool with his fourth foul.

Love to have Millsap in a 3 man rotation with him and Kanter personally.


Kanter is a put-back machine, but he needs to crash the boards that don't lead to his scoring--namely, defensive.

It will come. The guy has continued to improve since they got him.

[CelticBaller]

Are you going to stop picking on a player you don't like?
I like Jeff Green, and you can find post of me dogging him. I have made my bias clear but that don't mean I pick on him :coleman:

[mrpibb]

That's the biggest problem with it. Burke looked like a D-leaguer. Neto looked better. He wanted to come over. But they would have looked bad if their late 2nd rounder was better than their lottery pick they traded up for.

I can't say I disagree, but Burke's the guy they drafted and want to develop into their future point guard. It's the same issue with Neto: He's better than Burke at this point, but he has been playing against professionals for a while now. Burke hasn't had nearly as much experience, so starting him in a rebuilding year is pretty much necessary.

The Jazz front office looked at the situation and decided to let both players develop--Neto in Spain, Burke in the NBA. Neto's coming over next year, so if Burke still isn't better than him after a year's experience there's no need to start him over Neto.

The Jazz aren't tanking for a high pick in a draft; they're prioritizing player development over, at best, a first-round exit this year.




Marvin sucks! I'll take Jefferson or Harris over him any day of the week. Biedrins can rebound and block shots. Evans with a jumper could be a legitimate bench player. Gobert is raw but looks like he will be a player. They have no NBA pg other than Burks who belongs in a NBA rotation. That is their biggest problem.

Burks isn't a point guard. We're stronger at the end of games with him in as the point guard simply because Tinsley and Lucas are liabilities on the floor.


Yep. Not surprising really. Favors hasn't progressed since he's been in the league.

I strongly disagree. He has shown significant improvement in his offensive game, but now he needs to show the consistency. While he may have had those monster games before this year, it was still obvious his offensive game was raw. It's showing development; the lefty hook shot is effective for him, and he's a great passer. Now he needs to mature as an individual and learn how to score against starters.


I like Jeff Green, and you can find post of me dogging him. I have made my bias clear but that don't mean I pick on him :coleman:

I'm not going to sign my negs if you're going to neg me simply because I negged you, bro.

[Lebowski]

So Jazz got one up on the sweepstakes.. damn!

[Xiao Yao You]

I can't say I disagree, but Burke's the guy they drafted and want to develop into their future point guard. It's the same issue with Neto: He's better than Burke at this point, but he has been playing against professionals for a while now. Burke hasn't had nearly as much experience, so starting him in a rebuilding year is pretty much necessary.

If he's not ready to start or play at the NBA level it's doing him no good to throw him out there. He's better off in the D-League than losing confidence.


The Jazz front office looked at the situation and decided to let both players develop--Neto in Spain, Burke in the NBA. Neto's coming over next year, so if Burke still isn't better than him after a year's experience there's no need to start him over Neto.

One could have developed in the D-League. That's what it's for. With the injury Neto could be developing at the NBA level.


The Jazz aren't tanking for a high pick in a draft; they're prioritizing player development over, at best, a first-round exit this year.

They are definitely tanking. Signing Lucas as a rotation player was the surest sign of it and than re-signing Tinsley re-confirms it.


Burks isn't a point guard. We're stronger at the end of games with him in as the point guard simply because Tinsley and Lucas are liabilities on the floor.

He and Hayward are the two best guys they have with the ball in their hands. They need players that can shoot and defend around them. Tinsley made little sense in that regard. Lucas was suposed to be able to shoot but he's mostly did that in garbage time in his career.


I strongly disagree. He has shown significant improvement in his offensive game, but now he needs to show the consistency. While he may have had those monster games before this year, it was still obvious his offensive game was raw. It's showing development; the lefty hook shot is effective for him, and he's a great passer. Now he needs to mature as an individual and learn how to score against starters.

He's improved his free throw shooting but he hasn't improved like the other young guys have despite supposedly being a hard worker. His FG% has continued to drop as he's taken more shots. Get him away from the rim and he's been virtually useless. That's a big worry in giving him that contract extension. Getting assists doesn't make him a great passer when he's throwing the ball away even more. He has a lot to prove yet to live up to the hype.