Clippers have to trade griffin

[L8krH8tr]

Guy has no post game , gets no rebounds . Beyond hyped just for dunks.. I don't understand how people give clippers a chance they are worse than last year.

[notatop29pg]

Very frustrating guy to watch. So dumb. Collison gets close too.

At least DJ tries.

[brandonislegend]

They should but they won't because Blake Griffin = $$$$$

[senelcoolidge]

Yeah a guy that gives you 20+ppg 10+rpg 3+apg on very high efficiency. His man to man defense has improved a lot. Yup trade a guy like that. He had some nice post up moves on the Rockets tonight. I think Crawford is the one that will get dealt.

[el gringos]

Trade him for what? What does your team need? If you can't answer those questions your thread is garbage

[brandonislegend]

Yeah a guy that gives you 20+ppg 10+rpg 3+apg on very high efficiency. His man to man defense has improved a lot. Yup trade a guy like that. He had some nice post up moves on the Rockets tonight. I think Crawford is the one that will get dealt.

If they trade Crawford Chris Paul will be the ONLY person on their whole roster than can create for himself consistently.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Guy has no post game , gets no rebounds . Beyond hyped just for dunks.. I don't understand how people give clippers a chance they are worse than last year.

they should have traded him for Choward...but they didn't

so enjoy 1st/2nd round exit with Over Hyped coach in Doc Rivers

[bdreason]

They need to improve their frontcourt if they're serious about winning a title. Griffin - Jordan - Mullens isn't going to cut it.


They also have no legit SF, or anyone who can guard elite wing players like Durant or LeBron.

[Bigsmoke]

If they trade Crawford Chris Paul will be the ONLY person on their whole roster than can create for himself consistently.

Blake averages more ppg without Chris Paul

[ChrisKreager]

Love the timing of this thread after 22 points IN A ROAD WIN AT A DECENT HOUSTON TEAM

[Fiasco]

Love the timing of this thread after 22 points IN A ROAD WIN AT A DECENT HOUSTON TEAM

Casual fans are ****ing idiots.

[All Net]

They need to improve their frontcourt if they're serious about winning a title. Griffin - Jordan - Mullens isn't going to cut it.


They also have no legit SF, or anyone who can guard elite wing players like Durant or LeBron.

Their front court is fine.. Jordan has been beasting this season.

Clips have as good a shot as anybody to win the west.

[coin24]

Dat refined post game, 360 spin flip hook thing:bowdown:

[miggyme1]

Trade blake griffin for who? Eddie griffin? Nah keep blake in la....i got a feeling he gonna develop. Lets not forget this is just his fourth season. He missed his entire rookie campaign.

[Dizzle-2k7]

try and trade griffin for anthony davis

[Force]

No post game?

He's not Hakeem or McHale but he has several moves he can go to from the post and he's pretty effective at them. Good enough to draw defenses in plus Blake is a high IQ player when it comes to passing.

[senelcoolidge]

Blake has defended Lebron and Dwight really well in the past two games. He's shown improvement and continues to develop. He's also coming up big in 4th quarters. I think Doc has been good for Blake and DJ. He had some nice moves against Houston. The sweeping hook shot. The cut through on 3 rocket players. The 3 pointer. When he's confident and not hesitating he cant' be stopped.

[Ken_Masters]

I'm normally critical of Griffins' game but he has played very well this year.

[Darius]

Blake is looking improved this year.

I'd still trade him for Love though as Love's game would fit perfectly with Paul.

Love is a better player right now but has expressed he might want to leave Minny so Minny may be forced to trade him and Blake Griffin would be very strong value for them.

[NumberSix]

Honestly, he's nothing more than a role player calibre player. He's a good player, but not some kinda star player like he's made out to be.

He's not that great on offense. He's not great on defense. His rebounding is inconsistent. He's kinda like a glorified Kris Humphries.

[brandonislegend]

Casual fans are ****ing idiots.

Casual fans watch ESPN and think Blake Griffin is a top 5-10 player in the league. :lol

[chips93]

Honestly, he's nothing more than a role player calibre player. He's a good player, but not some kinda star player like he's made out to be.

he must be the first guy to average 20/10 for his career, and still be a 'role player' :rolleyes:

[Fudge]

Honestly, he's nothing more than a role player calibre player. He's a good player, but not some kinda star player like he's made out to be.

He's not that great on offense. He's not great on defense. His rebounding is inconsistent. He's kinda like a glorified Kris Humphries.
Holy **** doe. PREACH!

[salwan]

if he can consistently go into dirty areas under the basket on both offense and defense and use his crazy athleticism to protect the hoop, he can become a star.

more than anything, he needs to develop a badass mentality.
if doc rivers cant teach him, no one will.

[senelcoolidge]

if he can consistently go into dirty areas under the basket on both offense and defense and use his crazy athleticism to protect the hoop, he can become a star.

more than anything, he needs to develop a badass mentality.
if doc rivers cant teach him, no one will.

:facepalm more casual fans. He's never going to be a rim protector. He's not built to be a shot blocker. But what he's showing is that he can be a good one on one defender. He held Lebron and Dwight good in the past games. But he needs to improve his team defense. Rodman was not a rim protector, but he was a great defensive player..just an example I'm not comparing these guys to each other. Just to give you some sort of idea that you can be a good defender even if you don't block a lot of shots or grab a lot of steals.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Honestly, he's nothing more than a role player calibre player. He's a good player, but not some kinda star player like he's made out to be.

He's not that great on offense. He's not great on defense. His rebounding is inconsistent. He's kinda like a glorified Kris Humphries.
Stunningly accurate. So then, why do people consider Chris Paul overrated then for basically underachieving with a sub par cast?

[Fiasco]

Casual fans watch ESPN and think Blake Griffin is a top 5-10 player in the league. :lol

No, those are called morons. Casual fans don't think Blake is even a Top-10 power forward because it's cool to dislike him.

[Fiasco]

Honestly, he's nothing more than a role player calibre player. He's a good player, but not some kinda star player like he's made out to be.

He's not that great on offense. He's not great on defense. His rebounding is inconsistent. He's kinda like a glorified Kris Humphries.

Role player that draws double teams.

Role player that averages 20/10 for his career.

Role player ranking Top-10 in win shares his last two seasons.

Ok.

[KungFuJoe]

Honestly, he's nothing more than a role player calibre player. He's a good player, but not some kinda star player like he's made out to be.

He's not that great on offense. He's not great on defense. His rebounding is inconsistent. He's kinda like a glorified Kris Humphries.

Proof that post count doesn't equate to basketball knowledge.

[NumberSix]

Proof that post count doesn't equate to basketball knowledge.
Lol. Calm down. I didn't say he's garbage. He's just not a star player as far as talent or skill. He's a great finisher. Other than that, he's not that good at anything except rebounding which he's wildly inconsistent at.

[Bigsmoke]

Honestly, he's nothing more than a role player calibre player. He's a good player, but not some kinda star player like he's made out to be.

He's not that great on offense. He's not great on defense. His rebounding is inconsistent. He's kinda like a glorified Kris Humphries.

Blake struggles to play off Chris Paul since Paul wants him to be a 15 foot jump shooter.

Role players don't put up what Blake is producing

[NumberSix]

Blake struggles to play off Chris Paul since Paul wants him to be a 15 foot jump shooter.

Role players don't put up what Blake is producing
I call Blake a role player in the same way I call Carlos Boozer a role player. Boozer can put up 20/10, but his defense isn't that good and I don't think anybody would consider him a star.

To be perfectly honest, I think Boozer is a better player than Blake is. He's not a free throw liability either.

[senelcoolidge]

I call Blake a role player in the same way I call Carlos Boozer a role player. Boozer can put up 20/10, but his defense isn't that good and I don't think anybody would consider him a star.

To be perfectly honest, I think Boozer is a better player than Blake is. He's not a free throw liability either.

Boozer better than Griffin. :facepalm :lol yep you have no idea what you're talking about. Casual fan exposed. The cool thing is to hate on Blake.

[LONGTIME]

Boozer better than Griffin. :facepalm :lol yep you have no idea what you're talking about. Casual fan exposed. The cool thing is to hate on Blake.

What does Blake do better than Boozer?

[NumberSix]

Boozer better than Griffin. :facepalm :lol yep you have no idea what you're talking about. Casual fan exposed. The cool thing is to hate on Blake.
Translation: "I've seen Blake in tons of commercials. Boozer isn't in any".

[devin112]

Casual fans are ****ing idiots.

op is a troll, no?

[oh the horror]

Ok. Enough.


Blake is not a "role player".


He IS better than Carlos Boozer. Saying Boozer "can" put up 20/10 and him actually averaging 20/10 are vastly different.


Blake isn't a transcendent level talent or anything, there are probably better players that would fit the clippers more.


Problem is Blake's "peak" won't occur in synch to Chris Paul. They need that level of talent NOW if they hope to contend.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Saying Boozer is better than Blake is 100% indefensible. You guys love your hyperbole on this website.

[NumberSix]

Saying Boozer is better than Blake is 100% indefensible. You guys love your hyperbole on this website.
What makes him so much better than Boozer? Seriously, what?

[Dro]

I'm not sure Boozer is better than Blake but its definitely close...I can see the argument for Boozer...Who would rather count on down the stretch? Boozer or Blake..In that regard, I'd go with Boozer....and I don't just mean to score..I mean to make the right play..Boozer is more likely to draw a double team and maybe find an open man or make the free throw's if he's fouled...

[Nick Young]

Boozer better than Griffin. :facepalm :lol yep you have no idea what you're talking about. Casual fan exposed. The cool thing is to hate on Blake.
Boozer is much better then scrub Griffin. Boozer is knockdown from 20 feet in. Boozer is awesome in the high post and sets hard fundamental screens. He fights for boards and has a decent low post game despite being undersized. He has a lot of moves and plays tough basketball. Boozer is a better rebounder. both suck at defense.

Boozer is better in terms of creating for himself. Boozer is better at playing a 1-2 game with his point guard. The only thing Blake does better is dunk and get bailed out by the refs and given superstar calls he doesnt deserve.

Don't forget, one of his years in Utah Boozer finished like 5th in the league in MVP voting. He is no scrub.


Griffin has a lot of holes in his game and acts like a conceded flopping bitch on the court.

Boozer is the much better player.

[Al Thornton]

watch basketball, don't watch tnt halftime/post game shows


it should help

[CavaliersFTW]

Trade him for what? What does your team need? If you can't answer those questions your thread is garbage
Addition by subtraction - OP is saying Blake Griffin is a team cancer.

[chips93]

the hate for griffin around here is ridiculous

[Inactive]

What makes him so much better than Boozer? Seriously, what?He's one of the biggest threats in the league, in the open court. He's an extremely good rebounder; he's still getting 11 rpg playing next to a guy who's averaging 14 rpg. He's one of the best ballhandlers, and playmakers at his position. No one who can put up 23/12/4 is a role player.

[Micku]

Boozer is much better then scrub Griffin. Boozer is knockdown from 20 feet in. Boozer is awesome in the high post and sets hard fundamental screens. He fights for boards and has a decent low post game despite being undersized. He has a lot of moves and plays tough basketball. Boozer is a better rebounder. both suck at defense.

Boozer is better in terms of creating for himself. Boozer is better at playing a 1-2 game with his point guard. The only thing Blake does better is dunk and get bailed out by the refs and given superstar calls he doesnt deserve.

Don't forget, one of his years in Utah Boozer finished like 5th in the league in MVP voting. He is no scrub.


Griffin has a lot of holes in his game and acts like a conceded flopping bitch on the court.

Boozer is the much better player.

That isn't true. Blake is a better passing and his dribbling skills are also better. He can run down the floor with the ball and create mismatch. Blake is also a better finisher than Boozer ever was. In terms of rebound numbers, they are virtually same imo in the regular season. But in the playoffs, Blake tend to drop off. To be fair, he did get hurt in both playoffs he's been in, but he still should've had more rebounds and produce offensively.

I agree that Boozer has more offensive skills than Blake. But Blake has consistently produce 20/10 numbers except for last year.

[Bigsmoke]

What makes him so much better than Boozer? Seriously, what?

Blake better at finishing, running the floor which helps get easy buckets in the fast breaks, doesn't play defense on the level as David Lee, doesn't turnover as much while posting up, and and Blake actually put up better numbers with CP3 unlike Boozer without Dwill/Rose

[All Net]

Blake and the clippers get seriously underrated on this board.

[eliteballer]

:applause:

[andgar923]

I

[CavaliersFTW]

I’m a Clipper fan first and foremost, been a Clipper fan since the late 80s and specially in the 90s.

I’ve seen Blake play in person dozens of times, have obviously seen his games on tv.

Blake has poor footwork in the post, horrible balance, isn’t aware of where he is half the time.

But to be honest from time to time he makes a move or two that let you forget how bad he really is.

What hurts the team the most is his inability to play within a team concept. Not that he’s a ball hog, not at all. But he doesn’t know how to play fundamentally sound team basketball.

He doesn’t know how to set screens
He doesn’t know when to set screens
When setting screens he doesn’t know whether to cut or step back
He doesn’t know how to properly read the defense
He doesn’t know how to combine the different moves, it’s as if he’s trying to get a poster play everytime he touches the ball.

If it wasn’t for the 2 or so lobs that CP creates for him, his fg% would look different (that’s lower for some of you geniuses).

His IQ along with his post game is elementary.

Most of his rebounds come from his athleticism, he rarely gets rebounds when you need them, doesn’t box out well and isn’t tough inside.

His shot is inconsistent, he’s also tentative when he has the ball and that may be the main reason why it’s so inconsistent. When he hits a few, he’s aggressive and doesn’t hesitate and he looks fine. When he misses a few early, he hesitates and at times that’s worse than actually missing.

Watch the dude play and he plays most of the game like a chicken with his head cutoff, cat is utterly confused out there. I swear that at times he looks as if he’s ‘thinking’ while he’s out there on how to play, instead of just playing and reacting. He looks confused half the time, not knowing what the play is, what to do, how to react, etc.etc.

The main reason some of us shit on the dude is because he has so much potential, he IS the key to winning. With all of the hype he receives one expects much more from him. The numbers are very misleading imo because he’s rarely there when needed in important stretches in games. He doesn’t get the tough baskets late in games, at times becomes a liability. I’ve seen CP3 get frustrated with his inability to know how to set a screen. It’s almost as if setting a screen is a foreign concept to him.

End of rant.
Great post, did you ever clash with CF86 over these issues in the past? He seemed to always try and deflect blame away from Blake and focus more on blaming Chris Paul for the teams issues.

[Darius]

[QUOTE=andgar923]I

[andgar923]

Great post, did you ever clash with CF86 over these issues in the past? He seemed to always try and deflect blame away from Blake and focus more on blaming Chris Paul for the teams issues.

Oh yeah, we went at it a few times but he

[Al Thornton]

lol

[andgar923]

lmao Blake has his flaws but if you truly have watched the Clippers as much as you say and you believe what you wrote then you really don't understand basketball.

Elaborate then.

Which parts of my wall of text were incorrect?

It

[TheReturn]

If their frontcourt stays the way it is, I doubt the Clippers can get out of the west. Both Blake and DJ can be shut down 1 on 1 right now.

[devin112]

[QUOTE=andgar923]Elaborate then.

Which parts of my wall of text were incorrect?

It

[Micku]

Where was the part about he's only in his 4th season in the NBA?.... His screens are a lot better this year, thanks to Doc. Most of his game is still developing relatively slowly, but it does look like his attitude on the floor is a lot better. Doesn't complain about calls as much. Sets better screens. Shot looks better.

Strange... you didn't mention any of that...

I agree with you that it seems that his screens are getting better. His shot also looks better as well. You can definitely see the improvement of those areas. His post game is still very awkward and wild, but as andgar923 said, he sometimes makes a move that makes you forget that has bad footwork.

But that doesn't bother me as much as his inability to take over games or be selfish on the court at times. There are moments where he is WIDE open and doesn't take the shot. Or when he backing down somebody all the way down to the restricted area or close to it, but pass it back out even if they don't double team him. What is up with that? IMO, his reluctance to take over games or being assertive on offense is a big killer and holds the team back.

[senelcoolidge]

I think Doc will be a blessing for Blake and DJ. It's already showing. They are playing with more confidence. In the last two games Blake has been big in the 4th quarter. He's had games where most of his FG's were jumpers. He's had games where he's done well in the post. He's very unselfish. Great passer and ball handler for his position. He's defended lebron and dwight really well of late. Much more active defensively. Better attitude on the floor. He's even going for less flashier plays. He's shown maturity in his game. Sure he's got lots to work on. His game is still a work in progress. It's also good that he's become underrated.

[TheReturn]

Where was the part about he's only in his 4th season in the NBA?.... His screens are a lot better this year, thanks to Doc. Most of his game is still developing relatively slowly, but it does look like his attitude on the floor is a lot better. Doesn't complain about calls as much. Sets better screens. Shot looks better.

Strange... you didn't mention any of that...
It all depends on expectations. In my opinion Griffin (yes he's only in his fourth year) is not good enough yet offensively to be a second option on a contending team, nor is he a game changer defensively. Dude was the number one pick, I think people have their reasons to be critical.

[Darius]

Elaborate then.

Which parts of my wall of text were incorrect?

It’s nothing many haven’t pointed out, I’m simply restating the obvious that others have mentioned in the past. Figured somebody should remind them of these issues since people are being accused of being ‘haters’ and whatnot.

So if you want to elaborate on why I don’t understand basketball then go for it.

Things I agree with:

- Outside shot is inconsistent
- Doesn't get tough baskets late in game
- Sets weak screens

Things that aren't the case:

- Blake has no basketball IQ/Court awareness

:biggums: That is one of his biggest strengths. He is great at passing out of the double team and it one of the best bigman passers in the league. If anything his IQ is too high because he finds the open man instead of being selfish and putting pressure on the defense.

- Blake is confused on the court

See above.

- Blake has bad balance

:biggums: Again, this is one of his best attributes. How many big men are able to turn 90 degrees one way and then immediately pivot and go 180 degrees in the opposite direction in one fluid move.

- Blake has poor footwork

His footwork isn't bad, just inconsistent. It's better than most bigs, however.

- Shoots a high % because of CP3.

Not the case. He shot just as well without CP3. If anything his game has suffered because CP3 is ball dominant.


Bottom line is Blake Griffin is a very good player who is a victim of other people's expectations of him.

Because he has cool dunks and gets voted into the ASG people expect him to be a superstar level player.

Fact is, he doesn't have the size or scoring skills to be that player.

He'll get you 20/10/4 but people are angry at him because they believe he has the "potential" to get more because he can jump high.

Memo: jumping high is only one small part of basketball.

I believe he has potential to be somewhat better and would love if he would challenge the defense more in the 4th and set better screens but I am not holding my breath.

[Darius]

To be clear: I don't even particularly like Blake Griffin.

I've been saying the Clips should trade him for 2 seasons.

I'd take Aldridge or Love (two stars that want to get out of small markets) because they would be far better fits with CP3 - who is clearly Clipper's best player.

I'm forced into defending him because people are so irrational about the guy.

[All Net]

If their frontcourt stays the way it is, I doubt the Clippers can get out of the west. Both Blake and DJ can be shut down 1 on 1 right now.

whats wrong with their frontcourt? depth is their only issue up front. Numbers wise both are having very good seasons.

[andgar923]

Things I agree with:

- Outside shot is inconsistent
- Doesn't get tough baskets late in game
- Sets weak screens

Things that aren't the case:

- Blake has no basketball IQ/Court awareness

:biggums: That is one of his biggest strengths. He is great at passing out of the double team and it one of the best bigman passers in the league. If anything his IQ is too high because he finds the open man instead of being selfish and putting pressure on the defense.

- Blake is confused on the court

See above.

- Blake has bad balance

:biggums: Again, this is one of his best attributes. How many big men are able to turn 90 degrees one way and then immediately pivot and go 180 degrees in the opposite direction in one fluid move.

- Blake has poor footwork

His footwork isn't bad, just inconsistent. It's better than most bigs, however.

- Shoots a high % because of CP3.

Not the case. He shot just as well without CP3. If anything his game has suffered because CP3 is ball dominant.


Bottom line is Blake Griffin is a very good player who is a victim of other people's expectations of him.

Because he has cool dunks and gets voted into the ASG people expect him to be a superstar level player.

Fact is, he doesn't have the size or scoring skills to be that player.

He'll get you 20/10/4 but people are angry at him because they believe he has the "potential" to get more because he can jump high.

Memo: jumping high is only one small part of basketball.

I believe he has potential to be somewhat better and would love if he would challenge the defense more in the 4th and set better screens but I am not holding my breath.

Disagree

Blake is usually lost out there, he doesn

[TheReturn]

whats wrong with their frontcourt? depth is their only issue up front. Numbers wise both are having very good seasons.
Like I said, you can shut both of them down in a low pace playoff game.

[andgar923]

Like I said, you can shut both of them down in a low pace playoff game.

Jordan is basically a non factor after the first half. He gets all his production in the first half, he

[LONGTIME]

whats wrong with their frontcourt?

Their defense.

[senelcoolidge]

[QUOTE=andgar923]Jordan is basically a non factor after the first half. He gets all his production in the first half, he

[Darius]

[QUOTE=andgar923]Disagree

Blake is usually lost out there, he doesn

[nightprowler10]

Boozer is much better then scrub Griffin. Boozer is knockdown from 20 feet in. Boozer is awesome in the high post and sets hard fundamental screens. He fights for boards and has a decent low post game despite being undersized. He has a lot of moves and plays tough basketball. Boozer is a better rebounder. both suck at defense.

Boozer is better in terms of creating for himself. Boozer is better at playing a 1-2 game with his point guard. The only thing Blake does better is dunk and get bailed out by the refs and given superstar calls he doesnt deserve.

Don't forget, one of his years in Utah Boozer finished like 5th in the league in MVP voting. He is no scrub.


Griffin has a lot of holes in his game and acts like a conceded flopping bitch on the court.

Boozer is the much better player.
Agree with this post a lot and Boozer > BG, but I wouldn't say Boozer is a much better player. I think his offensive awareness are >>> than Griffin but that's due to his experience. If BG keeps learning and sticks with CP3, he'll be a smarter player too.

And lol at whoever mentioned BG's passing being better. Boozer and Noah are both excellent passers and among the best in the L.

[Micku]

[QUOTE=andgar923]
His indicisivness is partly due to his low IQ, he second guesses himself too much becaus I

[air mamba]

blake griffin is 24 years old.

already an all star, all nba performer

puts up 21/11/4/1 every year

and will only get better

also makes a lot of money for his franchise and the nba

why would they trade him anytime soon?

:facepalm

The problem i have with Griffin is that he's not a "Dog", he doesn't bang, he's not relentless, and it sucks cause he has the perfect body for it. 6'10 265 pounds, ultra athletic and strong.

Chauncey billups said it the best when he said he's to much of a nice guy.

he needs to call for the ball and punish the guy who's guarding him and get him into foul trouble, he's tooo unselfish, and very lapse.

Which is why zach randolph is a bad match up for him, zach randolph is a "dog" and will scrap till he cant scrap no more. griffin wont. even kevin love is a dog and bangs more than griffin.

[RoseCity07]

The best trade the Clipper could hope for is Kevin Love. That won't happen because Minny knows Blake isn't gonna stay. I think this Clippers team with Love would become a contender. The only problem they'd have then is defense. They do need someone that can slow down Durant or Lebron.

[Darius]

The best trade the Clipper could hope for is Kevin Love. That won't happen because Minny knows Blake isn't gonna stay. I think this Clippers team with Love would become a contender. The only problem they'd have then is defense. They do need someone that can slow down Durant or Lebron.

Blake has 5 years on his deal though. Love has 1.