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Dresta

11-12-2013, 02:37 AM

It is the same as when they deplore the absolutism of using the word 'evil' to describe certain things, yet when some manipulator uses the term 'lesser evil' their panties get all wet at the thought.

Really, it is because most humans need something to bow down to and believe in dogmatically. Thus when traditional faith was rejected, people in their hopeless despair moved to faith in Marxism, then when that proved a massive failure, they moved to more or less the same faith in democratic socialism, and sought to cancel out the negative connotations socialism had garnered by calling it liberalism (when liberalism was actually what these people deplored and wanted to replace).

No wonder they are so reluctant to admit they are wrong, and so quick to blame everyone else when their schemes fail, because where will they go next?

OldSkoolball#52

11-12-2013, 02:48 AM

No wonder they are so reluctant to admit they are wrong, and so quick to blame everyone else when their schemes fail, because where will they go next?

My money is on Scientology :lol

Myth

11-12-2013, 02:57 AM

I wasn't aware that liberals have an issue with the word "faith." They may have a problem with the word "Religion" though.

OldSkoolball#52

11-12-2013, 03:30 AM

I wasn't aware that liberals have an issue with the word "faith." They may have a problem with the word "Religion" though.

Ohhhh there are TONS of "campus culture" liberals who love to decry the word faith as nothing more than a synonym for gullible. At least as it pertains to religious people.

Wait, I take that back. As it pertains to Christians. They dont dare mock Jews, Muslims, Hindus.

Only Christians.

Myth

11-12-2013, 03:36 AM

Ohhhh there are TONS of "campus culture" liberals who love to decry the word faith as nothing more than a synonym for gullible. At least as it pertains to religious people.

Wait, I take that back. As it pertains to Christians. They dont dare mock Jews, Muslims, Hindus.

Only Christians.

Never heard the term "campus culture" before. Does it essentially mean college liberals?

As for the 2nd part, I think the 'attack' (used as a summary of my assumption of what you are getting at) of liberals on Christians is mostly geared towards Christians who use their faith as a justification politically to oppress people. This is why you don't see many 'attacks' on on Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc, because those groups are minorities in the United States, and therefore don't have as much power in the political system to oppress other groups (namely the LGBT community). However, on a more individual basis, when you see Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc using their faith as justification to disapprove of the LGBT population, you will quickly see liberals battle them for using their faith against people.

InspiredLebowski

11-12-2013, 03:38 AM

this is what the OTC is now? jesus.

OldSkoolball#52

11-12-2013, 03:41 AM

Never heard the term "campus culture" before. Does it essentially mean college liberals?

Yes, the whole "Zomg ive like, figured out the world you guys! Theres people suffering so we just need to like, give them money. Well not my money, but like the corporations! I just found out how much CEOs make, im so outrageddd!!!! My philosophy teacher says we're all just a bunch of little eichmans. And economics professor says.... well I havent actually taken economics yet. But we have to make it so everyone gets equal, and the stupid republicans can just shut up about personal responsibility arrrghfhghg"

Theyre a somewhat different group than other Democratic voters, who may be middle aged, church going family guys who vote Blue because theyre in a union or for whatever reason.

But campus culture libs are all about their new found discovery of entry level philosophy and existentialism and they love to ridicule the bible and christianity and anything 'establishment'

OldSkoolball#52

11-12-2013, 03:42 AM

this is what the OTC is now? jesus.

Where are your threads bro didley?

Myth

11-12-2013, 03:47 AM

But campus culture libs are all about their new found discovery of entry level philosophy and existentialism and they love to ridicule the bible and christianity and anything 'establishment'

College liberals can go somewhat overboard before having a strong grasp of things, but it is just as bad on the other side with young Conservatives speaking up about crap they have no idea about.

miller-time

11-12-2013, 03:59 AM

:lol What's the difference?

Because faith is believing something is true without evidence, while hope is merely the desire that something will become true while recognizing that it might not. One is an assertion while the other is wishful. Any other problems with the English language I can help you with?

PickernRoller

11-12-2013, 03:59 AM

Hope is just as illusive as faith? :confusedshrug:

Born and raised atheist. Although I guess my parents had hope and faith in me when little. I remember been forced to endure the torture of a perverted old man in white robes.

Nikka poured water over my head when I was months old and I remember myself crying and sh1t. I was defenseless and hopeless throughout the whole act. My mom still got the pics in my childhood album. I was "baptized" they said. I guess that's why I never grew fond of the word faith.

IamRAMBO24

11-12-2013, 04:21 AM

That is because liberals have been indotrinated to hate everything that is conservative and vice versa.

There are 2 forms of indoctrination in this country: Liberalism and Conservatism.

If you are an active member of society, you will be one or the other. It is systematic; for liberalism, the indocrination occurs in education. For conservatism, it is in the church.

Both ideologies are set up to be antithetical towards one or the other.

This is done on purpose.

The idea is to create a conflict of ideology between those in the lower class (lower class by definition means your worth is less than a billion dollars).

If people in the lower class were united, then their focus would not be on the 2 party system, but rather on the disparity between the rich and poor.

And that's how revolution starts. It is in the best interest of those in power to keep the 2 party system alive so the poor can keep on fighting each other.

IamRAMBO24

11-12-2013, 04:29 AM

Because faith is believing something is true without evidence, while hope is merely the desire that something will become true while recognizing that it might not. One is an assertion while the other is wishful. Any other problems with the English language I can help you with?

Hope

A feeling of expectation and desire for a certain thing to happen.

Sounds like faith to me. It is all semantics; you can argue until the cows come home, but it is not by coincidence the word faith is a synonym for hope.

Scoooter

11-12-2013, 04:34 AM

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

IamRAMBO24

11-12-2013, 04:45 AM

And hate to break it to you liberal and conservative nutjobs.

You guys follow the same damn factions; your president is nothing more than a spokesperson for this faction, and there is absolutely no difference amongst the 2 parties.

Why?

You both follow the same agendas. If you are both so goddamn different, then why the f*ck do you guys support the same sh*t? I'm not talking about abortion, immigration, or whatever social crap used to disguise the true agendas, I'm talking about foreign policies, greed in capitalism, over spending which keeps the poor poorer in order to protect the interest of the rich, etc.

The both of you are such tools. Stop hating each other and unite for a common cause. The root of the problem is not within the values of liberalism or conservatism you have been brainwashed at birth to believe and upheld, but it is simply the rich having a field day screwing the poor.

They are only allowed to do this because you party wh*res are too busy fighting each other over a bunch of illegal mexicans , unborn children, healthcare, and a ton of meaningless crap (which conveniently btw, you won't ever find a resolution to) to truly care about what the cause and root of all your problems are (which is the reason why the country is so f*cked up in the first place).

Dresta

11-12-2013, 05:05 AM

Never heard the term "campus culture" before. Does it essentially mean college liberals?

As for the 2nd part, I think the 'attack' (used as a summary of my assumption of what you are getting at) of liberals on Christians is mostly geared towards Christians who use their faith as a justification politically to oppress people. This is why you don't see many 'attacks' on on Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc, because those groups are minorities in the United States, and therefore don't have as much power in the political system to oppress other groups (namely the LGBT community). However, on a more individual basis, when you see Jews, Muslims, Hindus, etc using their faith as justification to disapprove of the LGBT population, you will quickly see liberals battle them for using their faith against people.
lol, Muslims are using their faith to oppress people all over the world.

LBGT people get an easy ride over here - all they have to deal with is disapproval (and people have the right to disapprove of whatever they want). In Africa and the Middle East, by Muslims and Christians alike, they are treated like dog shit, along with women.

Typical provincialism of the socially concerned.

Myth

11-12-2013, 05:10 AM

lol, Muslims are using their faith to oppress people all over the world.

LBGT people get an easy ride over here - all they have to deal with is disapproval (and people have the right to disapprove of whatever they want). In Africa and the Middle East, by Muslims and Christians alike, they are treated like dog shit, along with women.

Typical provincialism of the socially concerned.

No shit. :eek:

I was specifically speaking of people within our country (hence me talking about them as minorities). You see liberal websites being appalled by foreign countries that use their Muslim beliefs to oppress people all the time.

Dresta

11-12-2013, 05:10 AM

FiveRings

11-12-2013, 05:13 AM

http://www.maggielindleydesigns.com/images/faith9x12pink.gif

But they can be so easily controlled with the word

http://www.phaidon.com/resource/obama-hope-shelter1-2.jpg

:lol What's the difference?
The difference is that Barack Obama actually exists. I'm Canadian and a far left liberal, and I personally do not like Obama because he is a conservative. The guy is a great speaker though, and I'm ashamed to admit that I thought he would be a lot better than he's turned out to be.

You're right though, OldSkoolBall, about most liberals being afraid to say anything bad about Islam. A lot of them will even praise the religion because they're afraid they will be seen as racist if they come off as anti-Islam. I personally trash Islam all the time, as to me it is clearly the worst religion currently.

Why do I despise the word "faith"? I despise the word because faith is the worst reason to believe something. You're just believing what your parents passed down to you, and you have no good reason to believe that what has been passed down to them and now to you is actually true. Humans have believed in tens of thousands or maybe more gods, and it is your belief that just by chance you happened to be born to parents that believe in the right god. If you're right, having faith and accepting what your parents tell you has been a ticket to Hell for most people that have ever lived, because their parents happened to believe in the wrong god. You have no more evidence that Yahweh is god than I have evidence that Peter Pan created the universe. Peter Pan is my God. If you just had faith, OldSkoolBall, you would see that Peter Pan is God. Why can't you just have faith OldSkoolBall? Now do you understand why we have a problem with faith?

Why is your faith any better than the faith of a Muslim or Hindu? If I make an extraordinary claim about something not related to religion, you're going to ask me to provide evidence for the claim I am making before you accept it, no? Why is it that in normal, everyday life, you don't accept things people tell you on faith alone, but when it comes to your God, you need no good reason or evidence to accept the claim? Why does your critical thinking go out the window when it comes to religion?

Dresta

11-12-2013, 05:15 AM

No shit. :eek:

I was specifically speaking of people within our country (hence me talking about them as minorities). You see liberal websites being appalled by foreign countries that use their Muslim beliefs to oppress people all the time.
meh, most feminists seem more concerned about getting women into boardrooms by force than espousing the plights of women suffering in Muslim countries lest they offend one of their precious minorities.

It was the same when a mad Iranian cleric declared a fatwa on Salman Rushdie for publishing the Satanic Verses: countless 'liberals' lined up not to denounce the fatwa, but to condemn Rushdie for lacking cultural sensitivity.

Many think that Muslim barbarism is simply a result of Western imperialism and cultural insensitivity :roll:

Myth

11-12-2013, 05:17 AM

And hate to break it to you liberal and conservative nutjobs.

You guys follow the same damn factions; your president is nothing more than a spokesperson for this faction, and there is absolutely no difference amongst the 2 parties.

You realize there is a difference between liberal and Democrat, as well as conservative and Republican, right?

I am liberal (surprise surprise, I know), but I'm not a Democrat because I despise the 2 party system for the reasons you mention. I'm sort of like a radical who believes that the system needs tore down and rebuilt (actually sounds like you, but you tend to sound off from a more radical-conservative side), but I don't identify as radical either, because I don't do anything to try to change the political system (I'm too lazy to start a revolution).

Dresta

11-12-2013, 05:21 AM

The difference is that Barack Obama actually exists. I'm Canadian and a far left liberal, and I personally do not like Obama because he is a conservative. The guy is a great speaker though, and I'm ashamed to admit that I thought he would be a lot better than he's turned out to be.

You're right though, OldSkoolBall, about most liberals being afraid to say anything bad about Islam. A lot of them will even praise the religion because they're afraid they will be seen as racist if they come off as anti-Islam. I personally trash Islam all the time, as to me it is clearly the worst religion currently.

Why do I despise the word "faith"? I despise the word because faith is the worst reason to believe something. You're just believing what your parents passed down to you, and you have no good reason to believe that what has been passed down to them and now to you is actually true. Humans have believed in tens of thousands or maybe more gods, and it is your belief that just by chance you happened to be born to parents that believe in the right god. If you're right, having faith and accepting what your parents tell you has been a ticket to Hell for most people that have ever lived, because their parents happened to believe in the wrong god. You have no more evidence that Yahweh is god than I have evidence that Peter Pan created the universe. Peter Pan is my God. If you just had faith, OldSkoolBall, you would see that Peter Pan is God. Why can't you just have faith OldSkoolBall? Now do you understand why we have a problem with faith?

Why is your faith any better than the faith of a Muslim or Hindu? If I make an extraordinary claim about something not related to religion, you're going to ask me to provide evidence for the claim I am making before you accept it, no? Why is it that in normal, everyday life, you don't accept things people tell you on faith alone, but when it comes to your God, you need no good reason or evidence to accept the claim? Why does your critical thinking go out the window when it comes to religion?:facepalm

Nice oxymoron right thurr...

And i'm not even sure OldSkoolBall is religious btw, so you may have wasted a lot of breath there. He was just pointing out some hypocrisy, and i think the comparison is quite apt, though not perfect: check out those Obama rallies and they don't look all that different from a rapturous religious congregation.

IamRAMBO24

11-12-2013, 05:26 AM

Why is your faith any better than the faith of a Muslim or Hindu? If I make an extraordinary claim about something not related to religion, you're going to ask me to provide evidence for the claim I am making before you accept it, no? Why is it that in normal, everyday life, you don't accept things people tell you on faith alone, but when it comes to your God, you need no good reason or evidence to accept the claim? Why does your critical thinking go out the window when it comes to religion?

Because Science cannot possibly unveil all truths. Until Science becomes the end all be all of knowledge, then there will always be different avenues the human mind will look to explain the natural causes they feel in their everyday lives.

William James said it best:

If faith is not real, then why are so many people drawn to it?

IamRAMBO24

11-12-2013, 05:29 AM

You realize there is a difference between liberal and Democrat, as well as conservative and Republican, right?

I am liberal (surprise surprise, I know), but I'm not a Democrat because I despise the 2 party system for the reasons you mention. I'm sort of like a radical who believes that the system needs tore down and rebuilt (actually sounds like you, but you tend to sound off from a more radical-conservative side), but I don't identify as radical either, because I don't do anything to try to change the political system (I'm too lazy to start a revolution).

The definitions have been so multilated, it is fair to associate liberalism with the Democratic party.

Dresta

11-12-2013, 05:29 AM

You realize there is a difference between liberal and Democrat, as well as conservative and Republican, right?

I am liberal (surprise surprise, I know), but I'm not a Democrat because I despise the 2 party system for the reasons you mention. I'm sort of like a radical who believes that the system needs tore down and rebuilt (actually sounds like you, but you tend to sound off from a more radical-conservative side), but I don't identify as radical either, because I don't do anything to try to change the political system (I'm too lazy to start a revolution).
Again: those words are diametrically opposed. You can't just shove them together and think it means something; well, unless you want to throw the exactitude and usefulness of language straight out the window.

Radical = extreme change from accepted or traditional forms.
Conservative = maintaining accepted or traditional forms.

:hammerhead:

Myth

11-12-2013, 05:34 AM

Again: those words are diametrically opposed. You can't just shove them together and think it means something; well, unless you want to throw the exactitude and usefulness of language straight out the window.

Radical = extreme change from accepted or traditional forms.
Conservative = maintaining accepted or traditional forms.

:hammerhead:

Only if viewed as absolutes. However, you can be radical in some ways and conservative in others. He seems to have conservative values for the most part, yet he seems to want a radical change in the party system.

Not hard to figure out that somebody that identifies with something can have an exception here and there :hammerhead:

IamRAMBO24

11-12-2013, 05:34 AM

IamRAMBO24

11-12-2013, 05:54 AM

Dresta

11-12-2013, 06:00 AM

Only if viewed as absolutes. However, you can be radical in some ways and conservative in others. He seems to have conservative values for the most part, yet he seems to want a radical change in the party system.

Not hard to figure out that somebody that identifies with something can have an exception here and there :hammerhead:
So the Republican party is conservative, and he is a conservative, yet he wants to radically change the party system? Thanks for not making any sense.

Just admit you don't know what the words mean, or understand their historical significance, and simply use them because you are a slave to the sound bite driven political culture that we live in. No one who knows what they're talking about would use the term 'radical conservative' - just like they wouldn't use the term 'social liberal' - any time some mongoloid refers to themselves as a social liberal it axiomatically defines them as an ignorant cretin whose political opinions are not to be taken seriously. It is quite useful in that way, actually.

I don't even use the term liberal unless referring to someone or a group of people who call themselves by that name; it has long been unusable because of mutilators of language such as yourself.

Myth

11-12-2013, 06:11 AM

So the Republican party is conservative, and he is a conservative, yet he wants to radically change the party system? Thanks for not making any sense.

Just admit you don't know what the words mean

You obviously don't know what the words mean. Republicans are conservative, but not all conservatives are Republican. You must think all rectangles are squares too :hammerhead: You can certainly be conservative in your values (economics, morals, etc) and not agree with the party system that is in place and want to change it.

Dresta

11-12-2013, 07:00 AM

You obviously don't know what the words mean. Republicans are conservative, but not all conservatives are Republican. You must think all rectangles are squares too :hammerhead: You can certainly be conservative in your values (economics, morals, etc) and not agree with the party system that is in place and want to change it.
Oh just stop.

Not all Republicans are conservative: Ron Paul proposes the bringing back of the gold standard and ending the drug war; someone who proposes such radical change cannot be a conservative in any way, shape or form.

And no, all 4-sided shapes are quadrilaterals, just as all conservatives hope to conserve traditions, and all radicals hope to change them. You cannot be by definition a conservative and a radical at the same time; you can be conservative on one issue, and radical in another, but you cannot be a 'radical conservative'

Keep going with this crap and we will end up with a country where everyone speaks and no one knows what anyone means.

miller-time

11-12-2013, 07:12 AM

Hope

A feeling of expectation and desire for a certain thing to happen.

Sounds like faith to me. It is all semantics; you can argue until the cows come home, but it is not by coincidence the word faith is a synonym for hope.

Faith is an assertion that something will happen. Expectation is not definite (you can expect the sun to rise tomorrow but know it might not) and desire is only a wish for something to happen. A synonym doesn't mean the word has exactly the same definition(s), but can just be something close. As a synonym I would say there are better words for hope than faith, but faith in the right context could be used.

Myth

11-12-2013, 07:37 AM

Oh just stop.

Not all Republicans are conservative: Ron Paul proposes the bringing back of the gold standard and ending the drug war; someone who proposes such radical change cannot be a conservative in any way, shape or form.

And no, all 4-sided shapes are quadrilaterals, just as all conservatives hope to conserve traditions, and all radicals hope to change them. You cannot be by definition a conservative and a radical at the same time; you can be conservative on one issue, and radical in another, but you cannot be a 'radical conservative'

Keep going with this crap and we will end up with a country where everyone speaks and no one knows what anyone means.

My god you are dense. He promoted a radical position, and he promotes conservative values; which is why I was pointing out that his views are a mix between radical and conservative. I wasn't saying that there is some "radical conservative" faction or anything like that.

Also, you are again talking in absolutes (ex: "all conservatives") when in the sentence you were originally pointing out of mine I was saying what he tended to side with. Somebody can "tend to be" conservative, but still have a radical view on 1 aspect of the government. Thus, I come from a perspective that tends to mix radical and liberal views, and he comes from a perspective that tends to have conservative values but mixes in radical views of the party system. When talking about many people, they don't fall into absolutes, rather they have tendencies. But if you want to continue bitching about absolutes, you go right ahead.

nathanjizzle

11-12-2013, 09:55 AM

is this question even real? this idiot doesnt know the difference between the meaning of "faith" in society and the meaning of "hope".

stop posting you idiot.

Take Your Lumps

11-12-2013, 10:47 AM

Horde of Temujin

11-12-2013, 11:17 AM

Democrats are stupid, so are Republicans.

Why do conservatives support a party that doesnt hold the interests of lower to middle class white folks (nor do Dems) Such as supporting big corporations and financiers who outsource jobs and give fraudelant loans. The whole government is rotten.

BoutPractice

11-12-2013, 11:28 AM

Faith and hope are basic human emotions. You're going to have them in some degree no matter what your politics are.

bagelred

11-12-2013, 01:12 PM

I think this person describes it pretty well:

http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-hope-and-faith/

Hope vs. Faith

Hope is an action predicated on uncertainty. It is a word that describes the act of being unsure about one’s circumstances, and, essentially, wishing for an outcome conducive to one’s desires. It is based on the idea of faith; however, it is more or less an ideology rooted in the fear of the unknown. When one is unable to foresee his future, or the outcome of any particular situation, he is left with hope that the outcome suites his particular needs and desires.

Faith is based on the idea, that whatever the outcome is, it is for the better. It is an idea that is more spiritually based than hope, because it assumes that there is a force at work that will account for all actions that take place; no matter what the eventual outcome of a situation, faith requires its wearer to have full confidence that it is for the best in his or her life.

While faith is mostly acquainted with religious doctrine, hope is an idea that is spread through an understanding that no one is perfectly sure that there is a sound outcome to their situations. Hope is a destination, so to speak, rather than an actuality. In faith-based religions, there is the understanding that a Supreme Being is a ruler of all things, living and dead, things that are and are to be. Faith is a psychosis, so to speak; it forces whoever is the possessor to be completely reliant on the notion of a particular outcome, rather than the probability that the outcome will happen despite the environment.

Hope is more of a logical understanding of time and space. It is no more proof that something will happen than it is proof that there will even be an occurrence. Hope, though always associated with spirituality, and most notably in doctrinated religions, is more based on the facts of the situation, and the desire for those facts to add up to a desirable end. Faith is based solely on the ability of the possessor to be completely reliant on an outside force, regardless of the circumstances, or how the facts seem to align. To have faith is to understand that, despite the facts of a situation, the turnout is going to be what one desires it to be in the long run – while hope is the means, faith is based on the ends.

Summary:

1. Hope is more logically based, as it recognizes the facts, and simply desires that those facts add up to a positive outcome; faith is based solely on a blind resolution that, no matter how the facts add up, the proper outcome will always prevail.

2. Hope understands the uncertainty of situations; faith does not recognize uncertainty, and only understands that there is a plan devised by a higher power to make all things work out in the proper way.

I think it's well explained. They seem the same at first, but definite distinction. Hope takes reason into account and recognizes uncertaintly but we HOPE things break our way. Conservatives have FAITH that things will work out, regardless of the facts in front of them, simply because some other power will make sure things go the way they are supposed to.

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bagelred

11-12-2013, 01:21 PM

It is the same as when they deplore the absolutism of using the word 'evil' to describe certain things, yet when some manipulator uses the term 'lesser evil' their panties get all wet at the thought.

"they" deplore...

Because liberals understand most things are life are not black and white, but grey. Most things aren't "evil" or "good", it's about perspective. "Lesser evil" would mean there isn't an absolute, but comparing actions. Using our intelligence to understand things, and understand there are different perspectives on situations. What might seem "good" to one person/nation (Like, America is a force for good), might seem "evil" to someone else. (America is a ruthless aggressor and is evil).

This doesn't register in conservative mind. Everything is black and white.

MavsSuperFan

11-12-2013, 01:47 PM

most liberals that follow politics and have actually political beliefs have abandoned Obama. Obama his been a chickenhawk militarist in foreign policy and worked in the best interests of wall street and corporate interests at home.

Also for a constitutional scholar and lawyer he has no respect for the 4th amendment. His attorney general says that due process is not the same thing as judicial process.

We voted for him as the lessor of 2 evils because he is better than the alternative.

Only the obamabots still love him.

Dresta

11-12-2013, 04:00 PM

My god you are dense. He promoted a radical position, and he promotes conservative values; which is why I was pointing out that his views are a mix between radical and conservative. I wasn't saying that there is some "radical conservative" faction or anything like that.

Also, you are again talking in absolutes (ex: "all conservatives") when in the sentence you were originally pointing out of mine I was saying what he tended to side with. Somebody can "tend to be" conservative, but still have a radical view on 1 aspect of the government. Thus, I come from a perspective that tends to mix radical and liberal views, and he comes from a perspective that tends to have conservative values but mixes in radical views of the party system. When talking about many people, they don't fall into absolutes, rather they have tendencies. But if you want to continue bitching about absolutes, you go right ahead.
Oh shut up. Why can't you just admit that you were wrong? I presented the definitions right in front of your face and you still won stop defending your abuse of language. And lol at getting accused of talking in absolutes by someone who says absolutist nonsense like 'all Republicans are conservative.'

This is what you said: ' but you tend to sound off from a more radical-conservative side'

There is no such thing as a 'radical conservative side' or a radical conservative ideology. Bringing those words together connects two concepts that cannot be joined. Yes people have tendencies, but they will always be closer to one or the other on the scale; putting them together produces syntactical chaos and means NOTHING. IamRambo doesn't want to preserve almost anything, so how can he be a conservative?

In reality 90+% of the people in the main political parties are conservative people with conservative natures.

"they" deplore...

Because liberals understand most things are life are not black and white, but grey. Most things aren't "evil" or "good", it's about perspective. "Lesser evil" would mean there isn't an absolute, but comparing actions. Using our intelligence to understand things, and understand there are different perspectives on situations. What might seem "good" to one person/nation (Like, America is a force for good), might seem "evil" to someone else. (America is a ruthless aggressor and is evil).

This doesn't register in conservative mind. Everything is black and white.
:sleeping

Evil: 'profoundly immoral and malevolent'

By any definition Saddam Hussein = evil, Al Qaeda = evil, Taliban=evil. These terms are accurate. Don't be afraid to use them just because George Bush did :lol you'll just reduce the world to a pitiful relativist mess. There are plenty of evil ****ers in the world like these guys:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi-Fi_murders

and this dude:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_E._Duncan_III

and especially this mother ****er:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Chikatilo

Please don't excuse these people with your grey area bullshit. Amazing how you can espouse the merit of shades of grey, and yet say something as black and white as 'this doesn't register in the conservative mind. everything is black and white' - really?

Edmund Burke = genius conservative; likewise Samuel Johnson, Coleridge, Churchill and many others. You think these people can't decipher a bit of grey? Seriously?

bagelred

11-12-2013, 04:07 PM

By any definition Saddam Hussein = evil, Al Qaeda = evil, Taliban=evil. These terms are accurate. Don't be afraid to use them just because George Bush did :lol you'll just reduce the world to a pitiful relativist mess. There are plenty of evil ****ers in the world like these guys:

God damn, you're stupid. You are exactly the type of person I was talking about.

Stupid gonna stupe.

B-Low

11-12-2013, 04:15 PM

Myth, bagelred, Mavs, quick! Get out of this thread so we can bomb it while we have all of these guys in one place at the same time

Dresta

11-12-2013, 04:17 PM

God damn, you're stupid. You are exactly the type of person I was talking about.

Stupid gonna stupe.
So they aren't evil? Blowing up schools, throwing acid in the face of children for going to school, cutting off the noses and ears of little girls, strapping children with explosives and sending them into crowds, sawing off people's heads with blunt knives, torturing and mutilating anyone who dares to resist their barbaric beliefs. Or how about Saddam starving hundreds of thousands to death while he builds palaces in every city, or when executing people forcing their families to be complicit, force them to cheer and revel less they be tortured and executed also. These ****ers are so evil they make me want to believe in the devil. And i like how you ignored my point about the black and white distinction you made, while moaning about black and white reductionism, probably because it showed what a moron you are.

And yet you still have the arrogance to call someone else stupid.

:biggums:

Myth

11-12-2013, 04:27 PM

Myth, bagelred, Mavs, quick! Get out of this thread so we can bomb it while we have all of these guys in one place at the same time

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Dresta

11-12-2013, 05:30 PM

Myth, bagelred, Mavs, quick! Get out of this thread so we can bomb it while we have all of these guys in one place at the same time
Yes, keep seeking solace in the false refuge of consensus opinion. Those guys would struggle to piece together a dissentient viewpoint between them (though i am being unfair to Mavs here as he has reasons for his opinions which he presents in arguments, which the other two are completely lacking).

I wouldn't be surprised if Myth and bagelred formed the majority of their political opinions from watching the Bill Maher and John Stewart shows (they've probably even been audience members :oldlol: ). Typical of these people they both think themselves extremely intelligence, which allows them to win arguments in their own minds simply by calling their opponents stupid for not bowing to conventional wisdom and then moving on.

You betray yourself as a seeker of consensus and conformity by lumping the guys you agree with together as if they form some kind of team, and then lumping those you disagree with together as if we form some kind of group or ideology, even though if we weren't being constantly confronted with consensus-driven dribble-drabble we would find a lot to disagree about. Because, guess what, we are individuals and not a bunch of sheep who need to seek security in the opinions of others.

I mean, look at bagelred's earlier post, which he presented with a gravity that suggests he thinks it a trove of wisdom:

Because liberals understand most things are life are not black and white, but grey. Most things aren't "evil" or "good", it's about perspective. "Lesser evil" would mean there isn't an absolute, but comparing actions. Using our intelligence to understand things, and understand there are different perspectives on situations. What might seem "good" to one person/nation (Like, America is a force for good), might seem "evil" to someone else. (America is a ruthless aggressor and is evil).

This doesn't register in conservative mind. Everything is black and white.:roll:

Has anyone ever read anything so banal, so full of cliches and trivialities? It reads like something a high-school student might write after his first ever philosophical lesson in ethics. Worst of all: he ends his platitude-ridden diatribe against black and white distinctions by making an incredibly fatuous one of his own. Feel bad for Mavs for being grouped with this imbecile :oldlol: .

MadeFromDust

11-12-2013, 07:55 PM

Because faith is believing something is true without evidence, while hope is merely the desire that something will become true while recognizing that it might not. One is an assertion while the other is wishful. Any other problems with the English language I can help you with?
Wrong. Hope is the earnest expectation of good things yet to come...knowing that there is 0% chance of disappointment.

bagelred

11-12-2013, 10:24 PM

Has anyone ever read anything so banal, so full of cliches and trivialities? It reads like something a high-school student might write after his first ever philosophical lesson in ethics. Worst of all: he ends his platitude-ridden diatribe against black and white distinctions by making an incredibly fatuous one of his own. Feel bad for Mavs for being grouped with this imbecile :oldlol: .

You're trying WAY too hard with the vocabulary. Easy.

Everything I wrote was true. Conservatives see things in black and white. Liberals see things in shades of grey. That's why we see the world differently. Google is your friend. Read up on this.

miller-time

11-12-2013, 10:56 PM

Dresta

11-12-2013, 11:22 PM

You're trying WAY too hard with the vocabulary. Easy.

Everything I wrote was true. Conservatives see things in black and white. Liberals see things in shades of grey. That's why we see the world differently. Google is your friend. Read up on this.
I'm not trying at all. I write sentences as i think them and those are everyday words. If they are not part of your vocabulary that is likely because you are a borderline illiterate who doesn't read and gets all his opinions off the tv.

Isn't that a black and white statement in itself? That either means you are a conservative or you are wrong.
:roll:

Don't expect a dogmatist to see flaws in his own logic. I pointed that out and he just repeated the same thing as if that made it an incontrovertible truth.

Dictator

11-13-2013, 12:19 AM

Faith and Hope have two different meanings......just saying

bagelred

11-13-2013, 11:52 AM

I'm not trying at all. I write sentences as i think them and those are everyday words. If they are not part of your vocabulary that is likely because you are a borderline illiterate who doesn't read and gets all his opinions off the tv.

ok....that was a productive rant.

Anywhooooooo, clearly when I say Conservatives see things in black/white and Liberals in grey, it's obviously a generalization. But there's a lot of truth to it. There are studies on why conservatives and liberals think differently, looking at brain chemistry, yada, yada....And one of things they always focus on is how Conservatives see things more in absolutes. "Abortion is always wrong." "Gay Marriage is wrong for everyone." "These foreigners are Evil."....whereas Liberals are more comfortable with ambiguity.

That's why when I saw somebody write, "There's no disputing this guy is Pure Evil.", it just made me laugh, because that's EXACTLY what a conservative would say....

You mad, Dresta? Please use some more SAT vocabulary words for us. I'm learning alot. :cheers:

Or just answer with a rofl smiley. Either way.

greymatter

11-13-2013, 11:54 AM

Words have meanings. Faith and hope are different things. Too bad idiots like yourself can't seem to grasp such simple concepts.

TheReturn

11-13-2013, 11:56 AM

Maintaining a positive attitude and working towards a better future is not the same as believing some dude in the sky will solve your problems.

greymatter

11-13-2013, 01:04 PM

Ohhhh there are TONS of "campus culture" liberals who love to decry the word faith as nothing more than a synonym for gullible. At least as it pertains to religious people.

Wait, I take that back. As it pertains to Christians. They dont dare mock Jews, Muslims, Hindus.

Only Christians.

Exhibit A: another victim nailing himself to a cross

The above is typical of your mouth breathing, bible-beating variety, Faux News talking pointer, least-common-denominator, type of conservative.

Not that it really matters to idiots like yourself, but I don't think any less of Jews or Muslims than I do Christians. You all worship the same deity. When followers of Shiva or Ganesh pile up the same history as your kind, then they'll garner their fair portion of deserved criticism.

ROCSteady

11-13-2013, 01:49 PM

Yo starface, I don't really disagree with the premise of your thread but all the stuff u comment on begs a question...

Are u currently in therapy? Like what face to face outlets do u have to address all the recurring thoughts/ issues u have?

I feel like all the years I've posted here, you have remained stagnant and dormant in your perception of the world with little growth or peace of mind

Dresta

11-13-2013, 04:39 PM

Words have meanings. Faith and hope are different things. Too bad idiots like yourself can't seem to grasp such simple concepts.
:bowdown:

Words of wisdom right ere. Words have meanings - thanks for pointing that one out man.

Of course they mean something slightly different, because they are different words, and i'm not sure if there are two words in the english language with exactly the same meaning.

But they are similar concepts, which is why the comparison is fair. Many people's faith is really more of a hope; they hope what they believe is true, because they don't like the conclusions they're forced to draw if it isn't. Likewise, many of those holding up change signs at Obama rallies had faith in him rather than hope.

Maintaining a positive attitude and working towards a better future is not the same as believing some dude in the sky will solve your problems.Whereas believing some black dude with a nice voice that speaks like a preacher and chants 'yes we can' while proclaiming a 'new dawn' has come and espousing a 'timeless creed' and declaring that 'change has come' - believing that this guy is gonna solve all your problems and putting your faith in him (and for many, it was clearly faith) - that isn't a worthy comparison.

ok....that was a productive rant.

Anywhooooooo, clearly when I say Conservatives see things in black/white and Liberals in grey, it's obviously a generalization. But there's a lot of truth to it. There are studies on why conservatives and liberals think differently, looking at brain chemistry, yada, yada....And one of things they always focus on is how Conservatives see things more in absolutes. "Abortion is always wrong." "Gay Marriage is wrong for everyone." "These foreigners are Evil."....whereas Liberals are more comfortable with ambiguity.

That's why when I saw somebody write, "There's no disputing this guy is Pure Evil.", it just made me laugh, because that's EXACTLY what a conservative would say....

You mad, Dresta? Please use some more SAT vocabulary words for us. I'm learning alot. :cheers:

Or just answer with a rofl smiley. Either way.Look, you are clearly a cretinous individual if you think using such words is something to be mocked. There is nothing special or 'SAT' about them, they simply aren't part of your vocabulary because you are unintelligent, and thus you - like all stupid people - resort to mocking what you do not understand, or what is beyond the grasp of your intellect.

And i didn't say 'pure evil' - i said 'evil'. And what is wrong with calling such human abominations evil? Moral standards have to exist if you want civilisation to continue to exist. If you replaced 'abortion is always wrong' with 'killing a child to make your life a bit easier is always wrong' (which is how many see abortion) - would you not agree? Or is that another 'shade of grey. You don't have to be a conservative at all to think that abortion is wrong, especially when it is done for no reason other than excusing personal bother.

And no one (or at least hardly anyone) says: 'all foreigners are evil' - but there are certainly some that are, and they just happened to hold dominion over certain parts of the Middle East. You'll be defending Pol-Pot, Stalin, Hitler, Beria, Idi Amin and Josef Mengele as 'shades of grey' next.

RidonKs

11-13-2013, 05:03 PM

the difference is right there in the examples you give (or imply)

faith is resilient right up to the point that it isn't. it will endure until something comes along so personally cataclysmic as to rock its very foundation... and once that happens, its gone. hope doesn't have that kind of resolution, its just a sense of optimism that dwindles and fades over time if it fails to reveal itself in a reasonable amount of time. hence the difference in examples between belief in a religion/ideology and belief in a politician.

though like buddy said above, people confuse the two to the point that they're basically used interchangeably. that's the difference imo tho.

the better question is why the op is so obsessed with flaming fictional cardboard stereotypes that he thinks encompass like half the world but mostly only exist in his imagination

greymatter

11-13-2013, 05:16 PM

But they are similar concepts, which is why the comparison is fair. Many people's faith is really more of a hope; they hope what they believe is true, because they don't like the conclusions they're forced to draw if it isn't. Likewise, many of those holding up change signs at Obama rallies had faith in him rather than hope.

The fact that they tend to be discussed together doesn't equate to similarity. Having "faith" that Santa is real isn't the same as "hoping" that he's real. They are very distinctly different. What you described isn't "faith"; it's conflation.

Dresta

11-13-2013, 05:18 PM

TheReturn

11-13-2013, 05:19 PM

Whereas believing some black dude with a nice voice that speaks like a preacher and chants 'yes we can' while proclaiming a 'new dawn' has come and espousing a 'timeless creed' and declaring that 'change has come' - believing that this guy is gonna solve all your problems and putting your faith in him (and for many, it was clearly faith) - that isn't a worthy comparison.
Hey at least Obama's real. :lol

Dresta

11-13-2013, 05:21 PM

The fact that they tend to be discussed together doesn't equate to similarity. Having "faith" that Santa is real isn't the same as "hoping" that he's real. They are very distinctly different. What you described isn't "faith"; it's conflation.
faith: 'complete trust or confidence in someone or something'

Sounds like the saps at Obama rallies to me. They had faith in him, called it hope, and pretended it was different.

Dresta

11-13-2013, 05:23 PM

Hey at least Obama's real. :lol
He is, but the fatuous ideal that he represented certainly isn't.

greymatter

11-13-2013, 05:55 PM

You're right though, OldSkoolBall, about most liberals being afraid to say anything bad about Islam. A lot of them will even praise the religion because they're afraid they will be seen as racist if they come off as anti-Islam. I personally trash Islam all the time, as to me it is clearly the worst religion currently.

Islam is no worse than Judaism or Christianity as a religion. The difference is in the quality of their followers. Going that route, Muslims have a lot more bad apples. That goes without saying. Almost every country that is officially a theocracy is a shithole.

Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen. Yup, all shitholes.