How is Kevin Martin the 5th Leading Scorer in the League?

[CanYouDigIt]

at 46% from the Field and 55% from deep!

STOP GIVING AWAY YOUR SIXTH MAN PLAYERS OKC! :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Haymaker]

But, but but Ibaka can block!! :basketball

[Levity]

adleman and martin just work well together

plus, prior to this signing, minny had no other scoring options besides love. particularly on the perimeter. so now hes going to get all the shots he wants for this team. and so far, so good for martin.

[LakersDaBEst]

Too much pressure and expectation from the arrogant / spoiled Thunders fans. Now playing along with Rubio/Love, Martin is finally enjoying the game and fully maximizing his potentials.

[scm5]

Martin has always been able to score.

The problem is, three of the games best scorers are out or just returning from an injury.

Westbrook isn't quite himself, though he's doing better than Rose.

Rose, has looked horrible.

Kobe isn't back.

Melo has looked horrible, and I kind of want to give him the benefit of the doubt because of his shoulder injury.

[Just2McFly]

Presti getting exposed:oldlol:

[KG215]

Yeah, umm, OKC didn't give Martin away. He was always a one-year rental. Presti got him in the deal because he was a $12M expiring contract. He started off playing great for us last year, too. He averaged 15.5 PPG in OKC's first 20 games, had four 20+ point games and nine 15+ point games. And he shooting percentages were 45/45/93.

Then he progressively got worse and worse. From January until the end of the season he averaged 13 PPG on 45/41/86 shooting, and post-ASB he averaged 12 PPG on 44/40/86 shooting. And, I know, the numbers still aren't bad, but he was incredibly inconsistent. He'd run off a string of 5-12 point games on something like 30%-35% shooting, then buoy his numbers with a 15-20 point game. And, of course in the playoffs he was awful save game 6 against Houston and game 1 against Memphis. Once he got a fine for flopping last year, the refs stopped giving him FT's when he'd go to his patented "1-2 dribble, stop on one foot and jump into the defender and flop for FT's" move. Oh, and believe it or not, but he might actually be a worse defender than Harden.


As for this year, right now he's shooting 56% on 3P field goals and 42% on 2P field goals. Once he comes back down to earth and starts shooting a more reasonable percentage from 3, his numbers will come back down.

[FireMcFailPlease]

Yeah, umm, OKC didn't give Martin away. He was always a one-year rental. Presti got him in the deal because he was a $12M expiring contract. He started off playing great for us last year, too. He averaged 15.5 PPG in OKC's first 20 games, had four 20+ point games and nine 15+ point games. And he shooting percentages were 45/45/93.

Then he progressively got worse and worse. From January until the end of the season he averaged 13 PPG on 45/41/86 shooting, and post-ASB he averaged 12 PPG on 44/40/86 shooting. And, I know, the numbers still aren't bad, but he was incredibly inconsistent. He'd run off a string of 5-12 point games on something like 30%-35% shooting, then buoy his numbers with a 15-20 point game. And, of course in the playoffs he was awful save game 6 against Houston and game 1 against Memphis. Once he got a fine for flopping last year, the refs stopped giving him FT's when he'd go to his patented "1-2 dribble, stop on one foot and jump into the defender and flop for FT's" move. Oh, and believe it or not, but he might actually be a worse defender than Harden.


As for this year, right now he's shooting 56% on 3P field goals and 42% on 2P field goals. Once he comes back down to earth and starts shooting a more reasonable percentage from 3, his numbers will come back down.
Not when all of his 3 pt shots are in his sweet spot.

his 2 pt shots are pretty wild though sometimes, if they arent off a love outlet.

[All Net]

In fairness he started off hot last season.

[KG215]

Not when all of his 3 pt shots are in his sweet spot.

his 2 pt shots are pretty wild though sometimes, if they arent off a love outlet.
So he's going to keep shooting around 56% from three all year? Besting his career high of 43% from last year when he was getting all the wide-open looks he wanted due to the attention drawn by Durant and Westbrook?

[Collie]

He went from WB to Rubio.

[Droid101]

When he plays with pass-first players like Rubio and Love, look at how well he plays.

Shoot, Love is averaging more assists than Westbrook this year, let alone Rubio.

Westbrook and Durant just aren't team-first players.

[Droid101]

And before KG gets his panties in a wad, yes Westbrook and Durant are great players who will take their team far into the playoffs.

[FireMcFailPlease]

So he's going to keep shooting around 56% from three all year? Besting his career high of 43% from last year when he was getting all the wide-open looks he wanted due to the attention drawn by Durant and Westbrook?
No but its not gonna plummet back to the 30s like you think it is.

[KG215]

No but its not gonna plummet back to the 30s like you think it is.
Where did I say it was going to plummet back into the 30s?

[ralph_i_el]

martin has been a great scorer for years. Wolves have been looking for a couple years for a 2 who can shoot.

the wolves play fast and have great ball movement. Perfect situation for Kevin.



So he's going to keep shooting around 56% from three all year? Besting his career high of 43% from last year when he was getting all the wide-open looks he wanted due to the attention drawn by Durant and Westbrook?

There's no way he's going to get less wide-open looks playing with RUBIO and love. I love RW (I grew up a UCLA fan) but if i'm another guard I'd much rather play with Rubio.

[longtime lurker]

Weak era

[roffie]

its simple. he is playing in a system that is more suited to his game.

[Fudge]

Not when all of his 3 pt shots are in his sweet spot.

his 2 pt shots are pretty wild though sometimes, if they arent off a love outlet.
LMAO

[KyleKong]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Trading Harden due to cap space reasons and not amnestying Perkins was the biggest mistake in modern era history.

[bdreason]

Yeah, umm, OKC didn't give Martin away. He was always a one-year rental. Presti got him in the deal because he was a $12M expiring contract.


They got him because he was an expirer? Then they used that $12mil to improve the roster, right?

Fact is, OKC just keeps giving away all-star caliber players because they are owned by an investment company, and refuse to pay the luxury.



When was the last time a team won a championship without paying the luxury?

[KG215]

They got him because he was an expirer? Then they used that $12mil to improve the roster, right?

Fact is, OKC just keeps giving away all-star caliber players because they are owned by an investment company, and refuse to pay the luxury.



When was the last time a team won a championship without paying the luxury?
They didn't give Martin away, though. It's not a hard to understand. Unless he just lit the league up last year and was willing to take a paycut (OKC was not going to pay him $7M+/year) he was always going to be a one year rental. Given how drastically his play dropped off post All-Star break and in the playoffs, and given that if Martin was still here Lamb would never get time to develop and Jackson wouldn't be able to fully spread his wings, it's very likely Presti never intended on re-signing him this year.

[SHABBA]

When was the last time a team won a championship without paying the luxury?
I don't believe it's ever been done.

[russwest0]

Lol, people want OKC to have a 300 million dollar salary cap. Niqqas somehow want us to have this roster

PG: Russell Westbrook, Reggie Jackson, Derek Fisher
SG: Thabo Sefolosha, James Harden, Jeremy Lamb
SF: Kevin Durant, Jeff Green, Jeremy Lamb
PF: Serge Ibaka, Jeff Green, Nick Collison
C: Tyson Chandler, Steven Adams, Kendrick Perkins

And if we don't then we are cheap asses. Look at the bulls shitty supporting cast for Rose. Don't hear niqqas calling them cheap. KD is playing with the best 2nd option in the league and one of the top 3rd options in Ibaka with a bunch of good young improving players.

Yall niqqas is dumb as fck

[scm5]

Lol, people want OKC to have a 300 million dollar salary cap. Niqqas somehow want us to have this roster

PG: Russell Westbrook, Reggie Jackson, Derek Fisher
SG: Thabo Sefolosha, James Harden, Jeremy Lamb
SF: Kevin Durant, Jeff Green, Jeremy Lamb
PF: Serge Ibaka, Jeff Green, Nick Collison
C: Tyson Chandler, Steven Adams, Kendrick Perkins

And if we don't then we are cheap asses. Look at the bulls shitty supporting cast for Rose. Don't hear niqqas calling them cheap. KD is playing with the best 2nd option in the league and one of the top 3rd options in Ibaka with a bunch of good young improving players.

Yall niqqas is dumb as fck

I think it was more the decision to keep Perkins over Harden that people criticize OKC about.

Also, Chicago has a total salary of $81,900,000.00 this season. That's not exactly a cheap roster.

[FreezingTsmoove]

OJ Mayo looked like a HOF player the first 10 games last season. Lets all relax here

[FireDavidKahn]

Martin just happens to excel in Adelman's corner offense. Once Adelman left Houston Martin's play "dropped" off and he was perceived to have been declining. Looking back now this obviously wasn't true. Martin just needs to be in a very specific offense to be 100% effective.

[LONGTIME]

Martin's a choker, he can't handle playoff pressure.

[coin24]

When he plays with pass-first players like Rubio and Love, look at how well he plays.

Shoot, Love is averaging more assists than Westbrook this year, let alone Rubio.

Westbrook and Durant just aren't team-first players.

This. Perfect scenario for Martin in Minny..

[coin24]

Lol, people want OKC to have a 300 million dollar salary cap. Niqqas somehow want us to have this roster

PG: Russell Westbrook, Reggie Jackson, Derek Fisher
SG: Thabo Sefolosha, James Harden, Jeremy Lamb
SF: Kevin Durant, Jeff Green, Jeremy Lamb
PF: Serge Ibaka, Jeff Green, Nick Collison
C: Tyson Chandler, Steven Adams, Kendrick Perkins

And if we don't then we are cheap asses. Look at the bulls shitty supporting cast for Rose. Don't hear niqqas calling them cheap. KD is playing with the best 2nd option in the league and one of the top 3rd options in Ibaka with a bunch of good young improving players.

Yall niqqas is dumb as fck

A lot of people call the Bulls owners cheap though:confusedshrug: Look at there pathetic bench..
Also, Ibaka sucks. OKC definitely should have shit canned Perkins and kept Harden, biggest mistake...

[KungFuJoe]

The bigger question is how does someone with a shot as ugly as Martin's manage to score near 25ppg.

[russwest0]

Better than LeFlop James :oldlol:

[andremiller07]

While I alway's hated the manner he got to the free throw line in, Kmart was as efficent as you get @SG back in his Kings days and he's still at the age of 30 got more than enough athletic ability/skills to maintain it now with the right amount of shots he can still be a top 10 PPG type of guy. Plus no one is game planning for him as much with the Wolves it's about limiting Rubio's pick n roll to Pek/Love and containing love he's got a lot more weapons around him to take pressure off unlike in OKC where he only had two.

[KungFuJoe]

While I alway's hated the manner he got to the free throw line in, Kmart was as efficent as you get @SG back in his Kings days and he's still at the age of 30 got more than enough athletic ability/skills to maintain it now with the right amount of shots he can still be a top 10 PPG type of guy. Plus no one is game planning for him as much with the Wolves it's about limiting Rubio's pick n roll to Pek/Love and containing love he's got a lot more weapons around him to take pressure off unlike in OKC where he only had two.

He might have only had two weapons in OKC, but Durant and Westbrook are like having a chaingun and a box full of grenades in a nerf gun battle.

[Miss Bella]

Have not watched him enough this year but Martin have always been a great scorer he used to be able to get to the line like Harden, don't know if injuries made him slower and not being able to attack as much. Seems healthy this year and that is basing it on looking at his numbers.

[BlackVVaves]

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

Trading Harden due to cap space reasons and not amnestying Perkins was the biggest mistake in modern era history.

This, a thousand times over. And I'll continue to say this for as long as a championship evades OKC. Adams is the only person that can rectify this idiocy. Not KD, not Westbrook. Adams.

On the Martin front, he's playing well, in a system where he is the second option offensively, and as a starter at that. While I don't think it would have hurt to re-sign Martin to either a cap-friendly contract or a very short term contract (2 years), I doubt losing him will be determining factor in the Thunder's championship aspirations this year.

[La Frescobaldi]

Martin just happens to excel in Adelman's corner offense. Once Adelman left Houston Martin's play "dropped" off and he was perceived to have been declining. Looking back now this obviously wasn't true. Martin just needs to be in a very specific offense to be 100% effective.

There was an earlier post pointing out several key injuries right now and that's a factor for sure.

That said, what you say is true of all players, even the greatest. Mike was crazy great as an individual but he soared in the triangle. same thing with Shaq & Kobe8, or Chamberlain way back when. Triangle is an amazing offense for turning potential into reality... But lots of other examples, Magic & Riles not least, Bad Boy Pistons and so forth. Players are designed each their own individual ways and the coach they have maximizes them..... or not.

[lilojmayo]

We are in a weak era of supetstars. I looked at the league leaders in scoring and like the 3rd place guy is averaging like 24 ppg :lol wtf.


#WeakEraForSuperStars

[macpierce]

We are in a weak era of supetstars. I looked at the league leaders in scoring and like the 3rd place guy is averaging like 24 ppg :lol wtf.


#WeakEraForSuperStars

So how's OJ Mayo doing these days? Is he still in the league?

[HylianNightmare]

he was a great scorer in sac