What's more impressive? Kobe's 81 points or MJ's 63 points?

[Derivative]

What's more impressive, Kobe's 81 points against the Raptors, or MJ's 63 points against the Celtics in overtime?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

81.

[Beatlezz]

81.

[jlip]

Why is the OP not banned yet?

[Trollsmasher]

81

The only thing I remember about that Jordan's series against the Celtics is MJ quitting on his team in the next game.

[Doranku]

81 idiot

[uber]

MJ's 63 points against arguably the most stacked team of all time.

[pauk]

81 is a bit more than 63 so... :)

[Rysio]

81 easily. 63 points in the 80s would be around 35-40 points in 06 and that was kobe's average the whole season.

[Myth]

Kobe's 81, because his team won. If Jordan's 63 beat the legendary Celtics, I would say his, but stats are more meaningless if they don't lead to you winning.

[kshutts1]

Kobe's 81, because his team won. If Jordan's 63 beat the legendary Celtics, I would say his, but stats are more meaningless if they don't lead to you winning.
That's a very black-and-white way of looking at things.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

I'd take 63 in the playoffs vs one of the best teams of all time as opposed to 81 vs raptors in the regular season. Maybe that's just me though. Why not include wilt and admiral's tonnes?

[alexd]

Kobe's 81, because his team won. If Jordan's 63 beat the legendary Celtics, I would say his, but stats are more meaningless if they don't lead to you winning.
yes he scored 81 points and won the almighty Raptors :facepalm
so you are saying that if someone scores 50 against an nba team and loses is worse than scoring 100 points and win this team http://media2.newsobserver.com/smedia/2013/09/11/12/19/IdjNX.AuSt.156.jpeg


:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Rolando]

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/91/09441ef1254bae12e3759e73a743951d/l.jpg

[Harison]

I'd take 63 in the playoffs vs one of the best teams of all time as opposed to 81 vs raptors in the regular season. Maybe that's just me though. Why not include wilt and admiral's tonnes?

This. Jordan going insane against arguably the best team of All-time in the Playoffs is way WAY more impressive than any regular season stat, let alone against crappy Toronto.

To anyone who thinks 81 is more impressive, then according to their logic:

Jack Taylor (NCAA) 138 points >>> Kobe's 81 > Jordan's 63.

:cheers:

[STATUTORY]

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/91/09441ef1254bae12e3759e73a743951d/l.jpg
a lot of white boys on that squad that wouldn't even sniffed the bench in 2006

[Myth]

yes he scored 81 points and won the almighty Raptors :facepalm
so you are saying that if someone scores 50 against an nba team and loses is worse than scoring 100 points and win this team http://media2.newsobserver.com/smedia/2013/09/11/12/19/IdjNX.AuSt.156.jpeg


:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Did I say that all that matters is winning and context is not important? No. I was still thinking within the context of the games. Kobe scoring 81 points and beating the Raptors is more impressive to me than Jordan scoring 63 points and losing to the Celtics. If Jordan had won that game, it would have increased the impressiveness of it, and likely would have bumped it above Kobe's game IMO.

[kshutts1]

The difference between 81 and 63 (18 pts) is equal to, or greater than, all but 30 players in the league are currently averaging (normal rounding rules applied, based on BBR stats page).

It's not like we're discussing 63 in playoffs vs 69 in regular season or anything. The numbers are not close.

18 pts would be an incredibly noteworthy quarter of scoring. Hell, it's a great HALF of scoring for everyone not named Durant, Melo, Lebron, and it would still be a GOOD half for them.

Again, 81 and 63 are not close. Game circumstance most certainly plays a role when the numbers are closer... but at that distance? 81, all day, every day.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

I'm no scientist, but i think the larger number is larger and therefore more impressive.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Close but Mj's 63 all day as he did it in the PS against arguably the greatest team ever.


a lot of white boys on that squad that wouldn't even sniffed the bench in 2006

:lol


http://www.dallasnews.com/incoming/20110621-115957042.jpg.ece/BINARY/w620x413/115957042.jpg

http://abovetherim.com.au/nba/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Nash-MVP.jpg

http://www.nba.com/grizzlies/sites/grizzlies/files/imagecache/image_gallery_default/167346065_10.jpg

Top 2 rebounder in the game, best PF in the game, under 6'8'':
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Bird would eat any of those dudes alive and then you got prime McHale and good-contributor still in Walton, also Ainge, plus Parish and DJ those 2 whiteys. Sitchting and Wedman also good role players.

[Rolando]

a lot of white boys on that squad that wouldn't even sniffed the bench in 2006

Those white guys sure did suck:
Bill Walton
Kevin McHale
Larry MOTHERF

[Andrei89]

Cant believe people say Kobe 81 versus Jordan's 63 in the playoffs versus those mighty Celtics.

[havoc33]

Can't believe that this is even a topic. Jordan needed DOUBLE OVERTIME to score his 63 points, to make matters worse; his team lost. Of course the Celtics were a better team than the Raptors, but it was also in a more high scoring era as well. Kobe's performance was far more impressive, and that's the truth.

If it was Kobe scoring 63 points in a Playoff loss (2OT), would we still be celebrating it? :oldlol:

[fragokota]

a lot of white boys on that squad that wouldn't even sniffed the bench in 2006

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

Bird,McHale,Walton,Ainge....

I hope this helps

http://www.ca.org/literature/crack.htm

[leMVP]

Lebron's 45 is better than both actually.

[uber]

Lebron's 45 is better than both actually.

:facepalm

[Doranku]

Can't believe that this is even a topic. Jordan needed DOUBLE OVERTIME to score his 63 points, to make matters worse; his team lost. Of course the Celtics were a better team than the Raptors, but it was also in a more high scoring era as well. Kobe's performance was far more impressive, and that's the truth.

If it was Kobe scoring 63 points in a Playoff loss (2OT), would we still be celebrating it? :oldlol:
Hit the nail right on the head with this one.

But because it's Jordan, it's the greatest performance ever amg!!!

Jordan lost. Kobe carried his team of college basketball bench caliber players back from a 25 point deficit and won.

Oh, and Kobe scored 18 more points. In less minutes. What exactly are we comparing, again? :oldlol:

[fiddy]

Lebron's 45 is better than both actually.
You have to understand that ISH has standards for trolling and this right here is F grade material. Try harder son.

[Element]

Kobe easily

MJ needed double OT and that defense was a goddamn layup line for anyone who watched the game

80's defense is cringeworthy to watch

[AintNoSunshine]

This. Jordan going insane against arguably the best team of All-time in the Playoffs is way WAY more impressive than any regular season stat, let alone against crappy Toronto.

To anyone who thinks 81 is more impressive, then according to their logic:

Jack Taylor (NCAA) 138 points >>> Kobe's 81 > Jordan's 63.

:cheers:


:oldlol: Seriously, argurably best team ever, playoffs, how do idiots even debate about this?

[Element]

:oldlol: Seriously, argurably best team ever, playoffs, how do idiots even debate about this?


The defense being played was s.hit, even compared to Toronto's. It's not like Kobe was hitting easy shots, either. Dude was nailing whatever the fvck he threw up that night, pull-up threes and fadeaways with whomever right in his grill. He also scored 18 more points and didn't need double OT, plus he single-handedly overcame a 20+ point deficit and buried the Raptors, while MJ lost.

Just because it's MJ and because it's the Celtics doesn't mean it's more impressive. You're supposed to analyze a performance here, not the name value of it

[VIntageNOvel]

3 pages and no one bring up stat like FG and shit, isnt this ISH? :confusedshrug:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Jordan mythologists still don't know the difference between a great team and a great defense. :facepalm

[juju151111]

Jordan mythologists still don't know the difference between a great team and a great defense. :facepalm
Sit your dumbass down. Kobe has scored 50 once in his whole playoffs career. Mj scores 63 points against top 3 team of all time.

[kamil]

81

The only thing I remember about that Jordan's series against the Celtics is MJ quitting on his team in the next game.

How could you remember? You're a child.

[Genaro]

81. I don't see anyone praise Kobe's 50 againt the Suns in a losing efford.

[sportjames23]

63 points by a second year player vs one of the greatest teams of all time on the road, or 81 points by vs one of the shittiest teams in the league at home.


I'll take the 63 point game.

[SHAQisGOAT]

2006 Raptors had 27 wins in a weak-ass Eastern Conference. 29th of 30 in drtg (112.7), also 29th in opp/ppg and last in opp/fg%.
Kobe played against them in a regular-season game, guarded by.... Who again?

1986 Celtics are what many call the greatest team ever, with peak Bird, prime McHale, also Parish and DJ, with Walton giving his final run, and Ainge... They had 67 wins in the greatest era of basketball, in the most stacked conference ever, were 1st in drtg (102.6), 3rd in opp/ppg and 1st in opp/fg%. They lost only one game at home all season long and they destroyed opponents on both ends.
Some say their strategy was to let Jordan get his but you can watch the game and even if it was, it clearly changed as they were playing great D on him (even with that bogus last 3pt call). He also had 6 assists and 5 rebounds.
MJ gave it his all in a post-season game, coming back after a broken foot. He was being guarded by DJ (still really good even after his athletic prime and some issues), Ainge who was a tough sob, and met at the basket by Parish, McHale, Walton and Bird. As you can see in game 3 Jordan got straight locked down.

With all that said, Kobe wouldn't even sniff 50, at his best, against the 86 Celtics :oldlol:

[Rondo]

It's obviously MJ. Quality of opponent is huge. How many do you think prime MJ would get against that Raptors team if he put his mind to it?

It's funny how people always hate on the Eastern Conference and how poor it is yet the value some of you are placing in an extra 18 points against one of the worst teams in it compared to what was one of the all time best teams and eventual champions is crazy.

[comerb]

Honestly I think MJs 69pt against the Cavs was more impressive than Kobe's 81 too, he had something like 18 rebounds.

[scm5]

Kobe's 62 in 3 quarters against the 60-win Mavs is probably the single most dominant scoring performance in NBA history.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200512200LAL.html

He did it on 74% TS%

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/gamelog/2006/

It's surreal looking at Kobe's gamelog that season. He went on an absolute tear in terms of scoring.

[Quizno]

1956-86 Boston Celtics Opponent's PPG: 104.7
2005-2006 Toronto Raptors Opponent's PPG: 104.0

:confusedshrug:

[jstern]

I think the best way to look at this is to ask yourself what would you rather do, score 81 points against a horrible team during the Season, that if I remember correctly were not even putting their hand up at times when Kobe was taking a shot, and after the league changed the rules to make it easier for perimeter players to score. Or score 63 points against one of the greatest teams of all time, but in over time.

[I<3NBA]

which is more impressive? scoring 100 vs a d league team or 50 vs an NBA team?

[Yao Ming's Foot]

So now Jordan mythologists want to recognize the differences in defensive efficiency.

You guys realize right that the Celtics defense is a below average Kobe playoff opponent by defensive rating right? :oldlol:

[0000000]

This forum is full of frustrated virgins. It's the only explanation.

[Mr. Jabbar]

81.

ban op.

[ProfessorMurder]

I'm no scientist, but i think the larger number is larger and therefore more impressive.

You're clearly not a scientist because you think something being 'impressive' is a tangible thing to base a decision on, even though it's purely your thought.

[0000000]

I'm no scientist, but i think the larger number is larger and therefore more impressive.


It's like saying size doesn't matter, technique is what is about.

[TheMarkMadsen]

5 more shots to score 18 more points.

By ISH standards it's Kobe, you ask people who actually work within the league 81 points is the most impressive scoring performance since Wilts 100. While 60 point games are more common, Tom Chambers has a 60 pt game.

Only 2 people have scored 80 points in one game. Wilt & Kobe. And that fact that it was a perimeter player displaying that type of scoring dominance makes it just that more impressive.

Lets be honest though, Kobe Bryant will never get his due on message boards that are filled with a majority of posters who've maybe seen 4 years of his 17 year career, people who have followed his game know how dominant of a player he was. Same thing will happen in 5 years when a new influx of young basketball fans who are Wiggins & Parker will only know the 32 YO Lebron, and will mock Lebron fans for even "daring" to think that a 32YO with declining athleticism can even be compared to the likes of Wiggins.

However, then just like now, you'll hear the praises from all the former opposing coaches that faced Kobe, you'll hear C Webb & Tim Duncan talk about how a 34 YO Lebron is the best in the league, just as C Web & Shaq still do now with Kobe from time to time. You'll hear the praises for both men's accomplishments and validation from all time greats in harmony with all the haters trying to bring them down.

Just like today, you'll hear a Kobe hater bringing up his air balls against Utah as if its a bad thing. But for those who followed Kobes career it almost became one of my favorite moments, he had to fail befor her could suceed, and when an 18 YO Kobe is taking last second shots in the playoffs over Prime Shaq & All star Eddie Jones..that said alot. I honestly think that moment set tone for the rest of Kobes career, one filled with proving everybody wrong, defined by a player who wasn't afraid to fail. While Lebrons situation doesn't exactly mirror Kobes, it's the same as when his short comings mentioned.


So here we are discussing what's more impressive, a 63 point game that went to double overtime, or an 81 point game that ended in regulation..

We could ask what's more impressive Kobes 62 in 3 quarters or Jordan's 63 in double OT? And the answer on ISH would still heavily favor Jordan.

[juju151111]

So now Jordan mythologists want to recognize the differences in defensive efficiency.

You guys realize right that the Celtics defense is a below average Kobe playoff opponent by defensive rating right? :oldlol:
Doesn't matter about defensive rating. Dennis Johnson,McHale,P is better then anyone on the freaking Raptors shitty team. Gtfo. Lol Kobe only has one 50 point game in his whole freaking career on the postseason where the pressure steps way up/intensity.

[0000000]

What's more impressive, Kobe's 62 in 3 quarters vs MJ's 63 in overtime?

[gts]

Lets see

Kobe's 81 points in 42 minutes of play on 46 FGA (60% shooting) along with with 20 FTA (90%) for the win vs.

MJ's 63 points in 53 minutes of play on 41 FGA (53% shooting) along with 21 FTA (90%) for the loss

yeah I'm going with the 81

[0000000]

Lets see

Kobe's 81 points in 42 minutes of play on 46 FGA (60% shooting) along with with 20 FTA (90%) for the win vs.

MJ's 63 points in 53 minutes of play on 41 FGA (53% shooting) along with 21 FTA (90%) for the loss

yeah I'm going with the 81


But....if chicks say they can be satisfied with a smaller dick given the right circumstances and other intangibles then 63 can be better than 81 damint!!!!!

[SamuraiSWISH]

MJ had 63 points, 6 assists, 5 rebounds, and 3 steals in a double overtime PLAYOFF loss to basically a top five team all-time.

Kobe had 81 points, 2 assists, 6 rebounds and 2 steals in a come from behind regular season win against basically one of the worst teams of that season.

Context I'd give the clear advantage to MJ, even though it came in a loss. He was a sophomore, coming off a broken foot and did all this in a playoff game against Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, and Dennis Johnson. A team that has argument for GOAT.

Kobe busted up old Jalen Rose, who didn't play defense to begin with, and Morris Peterson, who didn't play defense to begin with.

From my perspective, a playoff performance given the pressure is always instantly a greater feat in comparison to any regular season game.

Hell, Karl Malone had a game in the regular season where he scored like 56 in 3 quarters. He was on pace for 70 plus points. David Robinson had a 71 point game against a similar shit like opponent to the 2006 Raptors.

It's not as big of a deal to me as playoff explosions and performances.

Granted, MJ needed 2 OTs, but hey ... Kobe's lone 50 point playoff game came on a team that didn't play defense, and he needed an OT to do it. One of his more impressive scoring games because it came in the playoffs and not on bum squads like:

2007 Bobcats (58)
2007 Blazers (65)
2007 Wolves (50)
2007 Hornets (60)
2007 Grizzlies (50)
2009 Knicks (61)

Kobe's 62 in 3 quarters against the 2006 Mavericks is probably his most impressive scoring feat. Even though the guy was gifted an absurd amount of free throws in just 3 quarters of play that game. But hey, it was a season where the rules were more tightly officiated on the perimeter to boost scoring numbers.

I guess from a pure volume scoring perspective, the answer is Kobe. The answer from a context perspective is MJ. MJ was still a developing player. Kobe was at his absolute peak, on a selfish scoring binge. Mind you, the Lakers had control of the game as Kobe was reaching the 70 point mark. I remember the last like 10 points, mostly off free-throws as being redundant as the game was in control.

So my answer is 81, but the context of MJ's game is more impressive. Games in mid January should not be compared to anything in April, May, or June. It's almost a different game by that point.

[alec613]

OP can do the math, it should be easy for him to figure it out

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Neither are prime numbers, therefore they both suck. Give me Allan Houston's 53 anyday.

[FKAri]

81. no overtime. win.

[Element]

MJ had 63 points, 6 assists, 5 rebounds, and 3 steals in a double overtime PLAYOFF loss to basically a top five team all-time.

Kobe had 81 points, 2 assists, 6 rebounds and 2 steals in a come from behind regular season win against basically one of the worst teams of that season.

Context I'd give the clear advantage to MJ, even though it came in a loss. He was a sophomore, coming off a broken foot and did all this in a playoff game against Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, and Dennis Johnson. A team that has argument for GOAT.

Kobe busted up old Jalen Rose, who didn't play defense to begin with, and Morris Peterson, who didn't play defense to begin with.

From my perspective, a playoff performance given the pressure is always instantly a greater feat in comparison to any regular season game.

Hell, Karl Malone had a game in the regular season where he scored like 56 in 3 quarters. He was on pace for 70 plus points. David Robinson had a 71 point game against a similar shit like opponent to the 2006 Raptors.

It's not as big of a deal to me as playoff explosions and performances.

Granted, MJ needed 2 OTs, but hey ... Kobe's lone 50 point playoff game came on a team that didn't play defense, and he needed an OT to do it. One of his more impressive scoring games because it came in the playoffs and not on bum squads like:

2007 Bobcats (58)
2007 Blazers (65)
2007 Wolves (50)
2007 Hornets (60)
2007 Grizzlies (50)
2009 Knicks (61)

Kobe's 62 in 3 quarters against the 2006 Mavericks is probably his most impressive scoring feat. Even though the guy was gifted an absurd amount of free throws in just 3 quarters of play that game. But hey, it was a season where the rules were more tightly officiated on the perimeter to boost scoring numbers.

I guess from a pure volume scoring perspective, the answer is Kobe. The answer from a context perspective is MJ. MJ was still a developing player. Kobe was at his absolute peak, on a selfish scoring binge. Mind you, the Lakers had control of the game as Kobe was reaching the 70 point mark. I remember the last like 10 points, mostly off free-throws as being redundant as the game was in control.

So my answer is 81, but the context of MJ's game is more impressive. Games in mid January should not be compared to anything in April, May, or June. It's almost a different game by that point.


No it's not MJ no matter which perspective you're looking at. Trying to tell me that Kobe was gifted FT's in a comparison with the inventor of superstar calls is absurd also. Plus, just analyze the god damn performance. MJ needed double overtime to score 18 less points on worse efficiency in a loss. At times, the Celtics defense was a god damn layup drill (reminiscent of another Finals defense he faced - the Suns) and they looked like they didn't even bother playing defense. Kobe was hitting tough shots, none of that walk into the lane, free 2 points s.hit :no:

Seriously, though. It doesn't matter which team he did it against. Kobe's pretty much taking the same shots (fadeaways, pull-ups) no matter who's on him

[andgar923]

The fact that Kobe managed to take that many shots in less time tells you how bad the defense was.

The fact that MJ only shot 41 shots in a double overtime game shows you how it was harder for MJ to even touch the ball, let alone face opposition.

Playoff basketball stops becoming a fast break-free flowing game and becomes tougher, slower, more defense oriented. Which is why MJ only managed to take 41 shots in double OT.

The reason MJ's 63 points is celebrated is because it's a PLAYOFF RECORD vs arguably the GOAT team, after coming from an injury during his 2nd season.

We should be asking why Kobe's is even being celebrated.

A. It wasn't the highest scoring game during a regular season (Wilt 100 points)
B. It was during the regular season
C. It was the Raptors

Since some want to complain.

No shit some of you aren't scientists, that's obvious based on they're lame conclusions. Like some of you Kobe f@gs love to say "CONTEXT".

Also, MJ wasn't chucking.

Kobe was in full chuck mode, MJ was playing within the team concept, playing on BOTH SIDES OF THE COURT. Going through tough screens, chasing players all over the court (remember this wasn't the ISO era, you didn't conserve energy on defense by standing there).

[KyleKong]

Kobe's 81.

[andgar923]

MJ had 63 points, 6 assists, 5 rebounds, and 3 steals in a double overtime PLAYOFF loss to basically a top five team all-time.

Kobe had 81 points, 2 assists, 6 rebounds and 2 steals in a come from behind regular season win against basically one of the worst teams of that season.

Context I'd give the clear advantage to MJ, even though it came in a loss. He was a sophomore, coming off a broken foot and did all this in a playoff game against Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, and Dennis Johnson. A team that has argument for GOAT.

Kobe busted up old Jalen Rose, who didn't play defense to begin with, and Morris Peterson, who didn't play defense to begin with.

From my perspective, a playoff performance given the pressure is always instantly a greater feat in comparison to any regular season game.

Hell, Karl Malone had a game in the regular season where he scored like 56 in 3 quarters. He was on pace for 70 plus points. David Robinson had a 71 point game against a similar shit like opponent to the 2006 Raptors.

It's not as big of a deal to me as playoff explosions and performances.

Granted, MJ needed 2 OTs, but hey ... Kobe's lone 50 point playoff game came on a team that didn't play defense, and he needed an OT to do it. One of his more impressive scoring games because it came in the playoffs and not on bum squads like:

2007 Bobcats (58)
2007 Blazers (65)
2007 Wolves (50)
2007 Hornets (60)
2007 Grizzlies (50)
2009 Knicks (61)

Kobe's 62 in 3 quarters against the 2006 Mavericks is probably his most impressive scoring feat. Even though the guy was gifted an absurd amount of free throws in just 3 quarters of play that game. But hey, it was a season where the rules were more tightly officiated on the perimeter to boost scoring numbers.

I guess from a pure volume scoring perspective, the answer is Kobe. The answer from a context perspective is MJ. MJ was still a developing player. Kobe was at his absolute peak, on a selfish scoring binge. Mind you, the Lakers had control of the game as Kobe was reaching the 70 point mark. I remember the last like 10 points, mostly off free-throws as being redundant as the game was in control.

So my answer is 81, but the context of MJ's game is more impressive. Games in mid January should not be compared to anything in April, May, or June. It's almost a different game by that point.

I was actually gonna make a video of this, it was an absolute joke.

[funnystuff]

Why are people saying 81?

[gts]

Why are people saying 81?Because that's one of the choices in the OP

[inclinerator]

its clearly mjs 63 in the playoffs, now if it was mjs 69 in the regular season, kobe for sure