Charles's Rant About the 'N'-Word

[KnicksWolves]

What did you guys think of it?

I was really having trouble trying to comprehend the message. He didn't seem to have a point in there at all...

Maybe some of you guys could be more enlightening as to what he was trying to say.

[MP.Trey]

Didn't see it. Why did that topic come up? Was it cause of the Matt Barnes tweet?

[KnicksWolves]

Didn't see it. Why did that topic come up? Was it cause of the Matt Barnes tweet?

Yes, it was.

[bagelred]

Love Charles Barkley....he's my n-gger.

[Dubs510]

He basically saying nowadays the n word is used in a positive context. Even i used it and i'm not black.
Difference between -er- and -a-

[TheReal Kendall]

He basically saying white America needs to stop trying to dictate what words black America say.

Him and Shaq both admitted to using the word.

Also white people can say it but be warned that you might say it around the wrong brother and it might not end too good for you.

Basically Barnes' use of the word isn't a big deal to him and that Blake needs to stop being a "bitch"

[Brujesino]

What did you guys think of it?

I was really having trouble trying to comprehend the message. He didn't seem to have a point in there at all...

Maybe some of you guys could be more enlightening as to what he was trying to say.
Pretty much says that he doesnt think saying the n-word is all that bad.He uses it,hes never been a slave, knows the history of the word and will continue to use it.

[NumberSix]

Lol. I once saw a Drake interview and he tried to say "n*gga" and it came out so fcuking awkward. He said it like such a suburban white kid and couldn't decide whether to say it with "a" or "er". He very awkwardly called some guy a "n*ggaaaeerr". It was epically cringe worthy. :roll:

[Budadiiii]

Lol. I once saw a Drake interview and he tried to say "n*gga" and it came out so fcuking awkward. He said it like such a suburban white kid and couldn't decide whether to say it with "a" or "er". He very awkwardly called some guy a "n*ggaaaeerr". It was epically cringe worthy. :roll:
link?

Would be weird to hear him say it in a normal conversation and not on a track.

[sportsfan76]

well as a black man, I never had a N*gger button on my back so if I heard a white guy say it I could care less

[AintNoSunshine]

What did you guys think of it?

I was really having trouble trying to comprehend the message. He didn't seem to have a point in there at all...

Maybe some of you guys could be more enlightening as to what he was trying to say.


Has he ever? I never understand Charles except some of his jokes

[TheMarkMadsen]

It's not even a cool word to say.

I'd much rather say what's up bro

Or what's ups dawg

Or what's up homie

Or what's up fam

Or what's up man

Or what's up cuh

Or word is born i got six mil on that jack kid shit is real.

[Young X]

Or word is born i got six mil on that jack kid shit is real.:pimp:

GOAT album.

[O_City_Thunder]

Does anyone have a link to this?

[Andy Hug]

It's not even a cool word to say.

I'd much rather say what's up bro

Or what's ups dawg

Or what's up homie

Or what's up fam

Or what's up man

Or what's up cuh

Or word is born i got six mil on that jack kid shit is real.



lmao

[LongLiveTheKing]

Mike Wilbon said the same thing.

[CelticBaller]

words only have as much power as you give them

[russwest0]

All I am saying is why is Richie Incognito saying the N word a big deal, headline story, plastered on ESPN for weeks, but Matt Barnes says the N word and all ESPN says about is "racially-charged tweet."

ESPN is liberal as f*ck. They are supposed to be sports coverage but they are basically TMZ

[NumberSix]

All I am saying is why is Richie Incognito saying the N word a big deal, headline story, plastered on ESPN for weeks, but Matt Barnes says the N word and all ESPN says about is "racially-charged tweet."

ESPN is liberal as f*ck. They are supposed to be sports coverage but they are basically TMZ
Do you really not see the difference?

Matt Barnes said "these niqqas" in a non-racial way as if he was saying "these guys" or "these dudes". Not a racial comment at all.

Incognito wasn't calling him a "half 'dude' piece of shit" on that message. "half ****** piece of shit" is very clear what his intentions are.

[hawkfan]

He basically saying white America needs to stop trying to dictate what words black America say.

Him and Shaq both admitted to using the word.

Also white people can say it but be warned that you might say it around the wrong brother and it might not end too good for you.

Basically Barnes' use of the word isn't a big deal to him and that Blake needs to stop being a "bitch"

Barnes is an NBA player and he is representing the NBA brand.
Use of the N-bomb doesn't help the NBA brand.
Accordingly, he gets fined.

[kamil]

Lol. I once saw a Drake interview and he tried to say "n*gga" and it came out so fcuking awkward. He said it like such a suburban white kid and couldn't decide whether to say it with "a" or "er". He very awkwardly called some guy a "n*ggaaaeerr". It was epically cringe worthy. :roll:

That's because he never actually started at the bottom.

[Dresta]

He basically saying white America needs to stop trying to dictate what words black America say.

Him and Shaq both admitted to using the word.

Also white people can say it but be warned that you might say it around the wrong brother and it might not end too good for you.

Basically Barnes' use of the word isn't a big deal to him and that Blake needs to stop being a "bitch"
Remember him saying before that just because a white person uses/used the word, doesn't automatically make him a racist. And he's right.

Also, did he actually say bolded, or was that just your interpretation? Because plenty of black people tell other black people not to use the word, in fact, didn't Al Sharpton call for a moratorium on the word? Would be more accurate to say Americans shouldn't be precluding the use of particular words, full stop.

[TheReal Kendall]

Remember him saying before that just because a white person uses/used the word, doesn't automatically make him a racist. And he's right.

Also, did he actually say bolded, or was that just your interpretation? Because plenty of black people tell other black people not to use the word, in fact, didn't Al Sharpton call for a moratorium on the word? Would be more accurate to say Americans shouldn't be precluding the use of particular words, full stop.

He did say something like that. It's not word for word.

I don't respect Sharpton so I won't get in to that.

[TheReal Kendall]

Barnes is an NBA player and he is representing the NBA brand.
Use of the N-bomb doesn't help the NBA brand.
Accordingly, he gets fined.

Don't know why you posted this in response of my comment but I didn't have a problem with Barnes being fined for the use of the word

[AussieG]

America is a very complicated place. :lol

[hawkfan]

The sleeved shirts is to cover up tattoos. Maybe they will go to long sleeve shirts eventually.

[KnicksWolves]

America is a very complicated place. :lol

It is. Political correctness really kills any chance for honest discourse concerning the deeper issues around here.

And thanks for the responses. I got that the whole 'white America' thing was his point, I guess that the fact that it didn't really have anything to do with the Matt Barnes situation was what threw me off.

In any event though, I do somewhat agree with Chuck. Although I would say there's more factors at play than 'white America'. On a social level, the N-word is a tricky subject, but Chuck was speaking on a person-to-person basis. And being from a highly mixed area, I've been around enough black people where Charles's words do ring true for the most. Get to be good enough friends with most of them, and they couldn't care less if you throw that word around with them.

Just don't do it around people you don't know :lol

[tomtucker]

it

[tomtucker]

problem i have with barnes is, that he was apperently mad / disapointed with his teammates......and his tweet was a negative one, and then he trows in the ***** word too , therefore the word is meant/looks derogatory here

[get these NETS]

i've seen a number of gangster films and heard slurs used both by and against italians, the irish, and jews

never felt like using any of those words



why do people listen to a few rap albums and hear slurs and then wish to use those words

honest question


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also during the lin controversy...."slur in armor" headline....noticed that the slur used by the writer is blocked by insidehoops ,even though it's a word with neutral meaning in most contexts.....but slurs against Blacks..and their spelling variations appear all the time on ish and don't appear to be blocked


why the double standard?

[guy]

In any event though, I do somewhat agree with Chuck. Although I would say there's more factors at play than 'white America'. On a social level, the N-word is a tricky subject, but Chuck was speaking on a person-to-person basis. And being from a highly mixed area, I've been around enough black people where Charles's words do ring true for the most. Get to be good enough friends with most of them, and they couldn't care less if you throw that word around with them.

Just don't do it around people you don't know :lol

And he's right. People make it seem like this is only applied to "N***a". Its actually applied all the time. People in general watch what they say depending on who's around. For example, I'm not going to constantly say "F*ck" around my parents or people there age or in a setting like work. But if I'm with people my age, friends or not, at some place like a bar or the mall, I wouldn't really care that much. So I don't see whats the controversy. Its not a controversy to say watch what you say around certain people.

[get these NETS]

I've been around enough black people where Charles's words do ring true for the most. Get to be good enough friends with most of them, and they couldn't care less if you throw that word around with them.

Just don't do it around people you don't know :lol

don't know if they are "good friends" or footstools?

I'd say footstools.

[Dresta]

i've seen a number of gangster films and heard slurs used both by and against italians, the irish, and jews

never felt like using any of those words

why do people listen to a few rap albums and hear slurs and then wish to use those words

honest question


===============================================


also during the lin controversy...."slur in armor" headline....noticed that the slur used by the writer is blocked by insidehoops ,even though it's a word with neutral meaning in most contexts.....but slurs against Blacks..and their spelling variations appear all the time on ish and don't appear to be blocked


why the double standard?What are you talking about? Those words are used all the time, but no one really cares when they're used. 'Greaseball' 'Goombah' and 'Guido' are all pretty common.

That is what the double standard is. The word ****** is given more power because it is treated as the king of all racial slurs, not even to be said when referring to an event/song/the actions of another person. Context doesn't matter in the case of this word as it has been de facto banned.

I think you'll find the word ****** is blanked out on here, but on the other hand, are *****, ****, polak, honky, cracker, wog, porch monkey, Gook, Paki, Yid, Shylock etc?

[CavaliersFTW]

anyone got a link to this?

[get these NETS]

What are you talking about? Those words are used all the time, but no one really cares when they're used. 'Greaseball' 'Goombah' and 'Guido' are all pretty common.

That is what the double standard is. The word ****** is given more power because it is treated as the king of all racial slurs, not even to be said when referring to an event/song/the actions of another person. Context doesn't matter in the case of this word as it has been de facto banned.

I think you'll find the word ****** is blanked out on here, but on the other hand, are *****, ****, polak, honky, cracker, wog, porch monkey, Gook, Paki, Yid, Shylock etc?


how did your post answer/adress my question?

[guy]

don't know if they are "good friends" or footstools?

I'd say footstools.

Definitely have not come across that.

[Dresta]

how did your post answer/adress my question?
How is there a double standard when all those other slurs are also not starred?

Just seems like the most notorious ones have been.

And your original question was pretty stupid anyway: just because you don't feel like using certain words, doesn't mean everybody else is, or should be like you.

[Myth]

Finally heard what Chuck had to say. I agree with part of what he said, but not all. I agree that black guy to black guy, they can refer to themselves how they want, including the N word. However, they should not be being homophobic or sexist, just like white guy to white guy should not be using the N word. Just my 2 cents.

[Young X]

Everything Chuck said was right.

[Dresta]

Finally heard what Chuck had to say. I agree with part of what he said, but not all. I agree that black guy to black guy, they can refer to themselves how they want, including the N word. However, they should not be being homophobic or sexist, just like white guy to white guy should not be using the N word. Just my 2 cents.
You just equated use of the word to racism.

That is effectively the same as saying that anyone who uses the word *** is a homophobe, and anyone who uses the terms bitch or hoe or slut is a sexist.

You can't have it both ways.

[Myth]

You just equated use of the word to racism.

That is effectively the same as saying that anyone who uses the word *** is a homophobe, and anyone who uses the terms bitch or hoe or slut is a sexist.

You can't have it both ways.

I don't give a f*ck how I used them. If you have half of a brain, you will know what I meant.

[Mr Exlax]

To my fellow black people, if you call a white person a nig_a they automatically have the right to call you one right back. If you use it in front of them, they have the right to use it in front of you.

[Myth]

To my fellow black people, if you call a white person a nig_a they automatically have the right to call you one right back. If you use it in front of them, they have the right to use it in front of you.

I've seen black people use it in YouTube videos, does that mean I can use it in YouTube videos? :D

[Dresta]

I don't give a f*ck how I used them. If you have half of a brain, you will know what I meant.
Nice response.

:applause:

Real mature and logical, well done.

'i don't give a **** what i said, if you had half a brain you'd no what i meant rather than what i said'

:rolleyes:

[Mr Exlax]

I've seen black people use it in YouTube videos, does that mean I can use it in YouTube videos? :D

lol ummmmm just use it in front of the person/people that say it in the video man

[Myth]

Nice response.

:applause:

Real mature and logical, well done.

'i don't give a **** what i said, if you had half a brain you'd no what i meant rather than what i said'

:rolleyes:

I'd hate to communicate with you in real life. I strong communicator tries to listen to what the person means rather than picking apart a piece of what they said.

[Dresta]

lol dude, i'm not psychic - try to be clearer.

[guy]

Finally heard what Chuck had to say. I agree with part of what he said, but not all. I agree that black guy to black guy, they can refer to themselves how they want, including the N word. However, they should not be being homophobic or sexist, just like white guy to white guy should not be using the N word. Just my 2 cents.

Or what? I think his bigger point was that no one should really dictate how two people should talk to each other in private i.e. the locker room. He's basically saying two people can say whatever they want to each other, just be aware of who you're talking to and who's around. And he's completely right. Its not the really the words that matter, but the context its used in, and you can't govern what people say to each other privately.

And by the way, he didn't seem to have a problem with Barnes getting punished for saying what he said publicly. He has a problem with people being all up in arms over how Barnes talks to his teammates.

[Myth]

Or what? I think his bigger point was that no one should really dictate how two people should talk to each other in private i.e. the locker room. He's basically saying two people can say whatever they want to each other, just be aware of who you're talking to and who's around. And he's completely right. Its not the really the words that matter, but the context its used in, and you can't govern what people say to each other privately.

And by the way, he didn't seem to have a problem with Barnes getting punished for saying what he said publicly. He has a problem with people being all up in arms over how Barnes talks to his teammates.

There really is no "Or what" because nothing can be done about a private conversation. But just because there is no way of enforcing something, doesn't mean it is always right. Two people plotting to murder somebody in a private conversation isn't right, either. Even if they don't go through with it, it doesn't mean it was a good thing for them to do.

[Myth]

lol dude, i'm not psychic - try to be clearer.

I hope you never have a wife who is upset with you and says "You always..." or "You never..." because I fear that you will overlook what she is trying to say and just belittle her for being wrong because "I took out the trash 2 weeks ago."

[Euroleague]

All I am saying is why is Richie Incognito saying the N word a big deal, headline story, plastered on ESPN for weeks, but Matt Barnes says the N word and all ESPN says about is "racially-charged tweet."

ESPN is liberal as f*ck. They are supposed to be sports coverage but they are basically TMZ

Just look up who owns ESPN.

[niko]

I'm not sure I agree with everything he said but I get where he was coming from totally. The only thing that was stupid to me is he acts like the locker room is this sacred difficult place that normal people couldn't survive in, I'm thinking personally a place JR Smith is totally fine is a place that mentally I'd be just fine.

[TonyMontana]

If black people have a problem with the word being used, then they shouldn't use it themselves.

But we are going to allow certain individuals to say it while crucifying others based SOLELY on the color of their skin? Thats the definition of racism right there. Granting privileges to a certain group group of people based on nothing but the color of their skin.

[guy]

There really is no "Or what" because nothing can be done about a private conversation. But just because there is no way of enforcing something, doesn't mean it is always right. Two people plotting to murder somebody in a private conversation isn't right, either. Even if they don't go through with it, it doesn't mean it was a good thing for them to do.

Completely different scenario because two people plotting a murder are actually intending on doing something that's beyond words. His point is people shouldn't really dictate how other people talk to each other because the people that are part of that conversation and are aware of the context are the ones that decide whats offensive to them or not. There shouldn't be something like this league-wide policy banning certain words from a "private" locker room, which is what people in the media have been implying leagues should do since the Dolphin situation.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

If black people have a problem with the word being used, then they shouldn't use it themselves.

But we are going to allow certain individuals to say it while crucifying others based SOLELY on the color of their skin? Thats the definition of racism right there. Granting privileges to a certain group group of people based on nothing but the color of their skin.

Tony actually has a good point. Anyways I see nothing wrong with anybody using the word in an endearing way like "that's my *****" to a friend or something. Using it as an insult, however, should never be acceptable. By anyone.

[Young X]

To my fellow black people, if you call a white person a nig_a they automatically have the right to call you one right back. If you use it in front of them, they have the right to use it in front of you.So there are situations where you would be perfectly fine with a white guy calling you a n!gga, irl? You wouldn't say anything back? Really?

[Myth]

Completely different scenario because two people plotting a murder are actually intending on doing something that's beyond words. His point is people shouldn't really dictate how other people talk to each other because the people that are part of that conversation and are aware of the context are the ones that decide whats offensive to them or not. There shouldn't be something like this league-wide policy banning certain words from a "private" locker room, which is what people in the media have been implying leagues should do since the Dolphin situation.

My point was that a private conversation can still be inappropriate. Let me bring it down to a more comparable example that addresses the bold part: Two white supremacists casually talking about how much and why they hate black people and casually use the N-word. Nobody else knows about the conversation, so it is not hurting anybody. They aren't intending on doing anything beyond words based on that conversation. Again, nobody can stop them or govern them; yet, I still believe that does not make it OK.

[Myth]

If black people have a problem with the word being used, then they shouldn't use it themselves.



My girlfriend takes that approach. I make sure I'm careful which Chappelle's Show sketches I quote since she doesn't like the word :lol

[guy]

If black people have a problem with the word being used, then they shouldn't use it themselves.

But we are going to allow certain individuals to say it while crucifying others based SOLELY on the color of their skin? Thats the definition of racism right there. Granting privileges to a certain group group of people based on nothing but the color of their skin.

If its okay for two lower class citizens to joke about being poor, is it okay for a rich person to joke with them about being poor? Assuming none of them know each other?

I hear women call each other bitch, slut, whore all the time. Should it be completely okay for men to speak to them that way as well?

A lot of older people talk to each other about how they're so old. So why are they sometimes sensitive if a younger person says there old?

I wouldn't say any of these people are being discriminant when they get that sensitive about it.

[guy]

My point was that a private conversation can still be inappropriate. Let me bring it down to a more comparable example that addresses the bold part: Two white supremacists casually talking about how much and why they hate black people and casually use the N-word. Nobody else knows about the conversation, so it is not hurting anybody. They aren't intending on doing anything beyond words based on that conversation. Again, nobody can stop them or govern them; yet, I still believe that does not make it OK.

Sure. Didn't say there wasn't anything wrong with that. But Barkley's point is people shouldn't be so quick to judge someone and on how they treat people based on a conversation taken out of context and its completely ridiculous to dictate a group of people how they should talk to each other.

[Heavincent]

Lol. I once saw a Drake interview and he tried to say "n*gga" and it came out so fcuking awkward. He said it like such a suburban white kid and couldn't decide whether to say it with "a" or "er". He very awkwardly called some guy a "n*ggaaaeerr". It was epically cringe worthy. :roll:

Dude tries to act all hard even though he was on a Nickelodeon teen soap opera when he was a kid :roll:

[D.J.]

The word was not intend to be a term of endearment. My dad is black and my mom is white. If either of them heard me use that word(even in a non-offensive manner), they would shank me on the front porch for everyone to see.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

The word was not intend to be a term of endearment. My dad is black and my mom is white. If either of them heard me use that word(even in a non-offensive manner), they would shank me on the front porch for everyone to see.
It also was not "intended" to be a derogatory term. It was just a word used to refer to black people.

[niko]

It also was not "intended" to be a derogatory term. It was just a word used to refer to black people.
It's a deragatory term dude.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

It's a deragatory term dude.
It is used as one now. But it wasn't created with the intention of being an insult.

[niko]

It is used as one now. But it wasn't created with the intention of being an insult.
It was used to describe slaves. it's always been used to describe blacks at a time where blacks were either lower, slaves, something totally not positive. The meaning of the word is not "dirty blacks" or something like that but it's origins are certainly not positive, and considering the negative connotation people have given it going through history any argument that it's not deragatory seems strange to me.

No, it wasn't created as an insult but a word to call people slaves certainly isn't one i would want to be called.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

It was used to describe slaves. it's always been used to describe blacks at a time where blacks were either lower, slaves, something totally not positive. The meaning of the word is not "dirty blacks" or something like that but it's origins are certainly not positive, and considering the negative connotation people have given it going through history any argument that it's not deragatory seems strange to me.

No, it wasn't created as an insult but a word to call people slaves certainly isn't one i would want to be called.
No doubt the historical context makes it an insult and i'm not saying people should use it to describe people with black skin but a word is what it becomes and to a lot of people it's just a synonym for friend. I don't see a problem with it being used in that context.

[The Iron Sheik]

so funny seeing people who aren't black have an opinion on what black people should and shouldn't say

[Myth]

so funny seeing people who aren't black have an opinion on what black people should and shouldn't say

Non-black people may not have as much insight, but everybody is allowed an opinion. Just like us non-NBA players have opinions about NBA players, just with different levels of social sensitivities.

[regerer]

:sleeping
If black people have a problem with the word being used, then they shouldn't use it themselves.

But we are going to allow certain individuals to say it while crucifying others based SOLELY on the color of their skin? Thats the definition of racism right there. Granting privileges to a certain group group of people based on nothing but the color of their skin.all blacks do not use the word. My question is why do whites and other want to use the word?

[Myth]

:sleeping all blacks do not use the word. My question is why do whites and other want to use the word?

I think he meant individual black people, not all black people. But I'm not sure if that is what he meant, just how I read it.

[magic14]

I don't think the word is a problem in context, but the way America is now if you do use it you have to expect some controversy.

[Bigsmoke]

I want to hear Barkley say *****