Let s be real: Hibbert is the best center in the league

[livinglegend]

Great size and know how to use it. One of the few Centers to actually have a post game. Can make his fts, cant hack him like most centers. Creates mismatches. Great defender, excellent interior defense.

[Meticode]

9.9 PPG
8.8 RPG
47% shooting from the field

Yes, best center numbers right there. Grant it, he's been great defensively, but besides this game he's struggled.

[R.I.P.]

9.9 PPG
8.8 RPG
47% shooting from the field

Yes, best center numbers right there. Grant it, he's been great defensively, but besides this game he's struggled.

Yeah let

[livinglegend]

9.9 PPG
8.8 RPG
47% shooting from the field

Yes, best center numbers right there. Grant it, he's been great defensively, but besides this game he's struggled.

29.6 min
11.4 ppg
8.9 rbs
4.8 Blks
50.6 % FG

No center impacts the game more than him.

[Trollsmasher]

Manufactured by the hype of his "not-so-straight-up-game".

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Let's be real, he's not. Dwight is.

[livinglegend]

Let's be real, he's not. Dwight is.
The guy that got outplayed by Bargnani. :lol
Howard is a liability on offence.
Hurts the team in the 4th quarter.

[Kblaze8855]

One of the few Centers to actually have a post game.

Hes 7'2'', built like a pro wrestler, and every time I watch him it feels like hes scoring mostly off putbacks and a gimme basket or two. Im not ready to say hes a scorer. If he is his team doesnt seem to feel letting him do it would help them.

If hes an especially good post scorer he isnt using it to put the ball in the basket.

[CelticBaller]

:roll: :roll: :roll:


Dwight is, get real.

[Meticode]

29.6 min
11.4 ppg
8.9 rbs
4.8 Blks
50.6 % FG

No center impacts the game more than him.
Dwight Howard impacts the game more than he does, but in a negative way. :oldlol:

[Uncle Drew]

Let's be real, he's not. Dwight is.
You can't be the best center in the game, without playing in the 4th because you can't hit free throws. Hibbert went 8-8 from the line tonight. Also shot 80% FG, works out with Duncan and seems to get better. Dwight has McHale and the Dream, and is on the same level as a few months (years?) ago.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

You can't be the best center in the game, without playing in the 4th because you can't hit free throws. Hibbert went 8-8 from the line tonight. Also shot 80%, works out with Duncan and seems to get better. Dwight has McHale and the Dream, and is on the same level as a few months (years?) ago.
So shaq was never the best center in the league?


Note: I am not saying Dwight is close to Shaq. Just pointing out that being a bad FT shooter does not exclude one from being the best center in the league.

[Kblaze8855]

You can't be the best center in the game, without playing in the 4th because you can't hit free throws.

In at least 27 seasons the best center in the NBA has been a terrible FT shooter....

[Uncle Drew]

So shaq was never the best center in the league?


Note: I am not saying Dwight is close to Shaq. Just pointing out that being a bad FT shooter does not exclude one from being the best center in the league.
Agreed, but there is somewhat of a difference there. Shaq actually made some free throws when he had to. Ask the Sacramento Kings.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Agreed, but there is somewhat of a difference there. Shaq actually made some free throws when he had to. Ask the Sacramento Kings.

So has Dwight. He shot 70% from the line in the '09 ECF.

[CelticBaller]

In at least 27 seasons the best center in the NBA has been a terrible FT shooter....
Forget about that, the moment you can make free throws you become the best in the league. Yao Ming for GOAT!

[kamil]

With the offense that Indiana has... he doesnt need to score as much. Let him take it easy on the offense and focus more on defense. Their undefeated record so far is proof that their system works.

He's definitely great though.

[Mr. Jabbar]

lmao @ the dwight howard fan club, kings of lost causes, these guys really enjoy playing devil's avdocate , or perhaps they just enjoy a good time at the circus

http://imageshack.us/a/img4/8184/f85j.png

[crunk-juice]

9.9 PPG
8.8 RPG
47% shooting from the field

Yes, best center numbers right there. Grant it, he's been great defensively, but besides this game he's struggled.


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[MavsSuperFan]

do you guys think marc gasol has an argument for best center in the league?

[Mr. Jabbar]

do you guys think marc gasol has an argument for best center in the league?

he has a good case, good case for hibbert too, dwights case is more of a mental one

[no pun intended]

At least Hibbert knows how to convert his blocks into possessions.

[MavsSuperFan]

Honestly all this discussion does is highlight how weak the center position is. The 5th best center in the 90s would probably be a God now.

[LAZERUSS]

Absolutely.

[Horde of Temujin]

Let's be real, he's not. Dwight is.


No he's not.

Horford
Timmy
Brook Lopez
Bogut
Hibbert
Noah
Cousins
Marc Gasol

Are all better

[LONGTIME]

No he's not.

Horford
Timmy
Brook Lopez
Bogut
Hibbert
Noah
Cousins
Marc Gasol

Are all better

Andrew Bynum is also better, if he could stay healthy.

[Droid101]

In this thread: a bunch of people who haven't seen how well Hibbert anchors the best defense in the league.

[Legends66NBA7]

So Hibbert beasts against Ekpe Udoh, Miroslav Raduljica, and Zaza Pachulia = Best Center ?

How come the best center got locked up vs Marc Gasol last game they played and he scored 3 points on 1-4 shooting 7 rebounds ? Had 5 blocks, but the Stephenson and George won that game for the Pacers.

Yeah, impacts the game more than any center. :oldlol:


In this thread: a bunch of people who haven't seen how well Hibbert anchors the best defense in the league.

Hibbert is like the Mark Eaton of this era. Hibbert is slightly better at scoring, but he does almost nothing else better than Eaton. Don't think Eaton ever got considered the best center in the league, even though he anchored the best defense in the league on multiple occasions.

[Guy Ledouche]

Dwight is still the best center.

[Greg Oden 50]

Let's be real, he's not. Dwight is.

DWIGHT CAN'T POST UP,ONLY CAN SCORES WITH DUNK,AIR FREE THROWS :roll:

[Greg Oden 50]

So shaq was never the best center in the league?


Note: I am not saying Dwight is close to Shaq. Just pointing out that being a bad FT shooter does not exclude one from being the best center in the league.

SHAQ AVG 30PPG,13 REBS,3 BLKS AND DWIGHT NEVER AVERAGE MORE THAN 22 PPG:roll:

[Greg Oden 50]

So Hibbert beasts against Ekpe Udoh, Miroslav Raduljica, and Zaza Pachulia = Best Center ?

How come the best center got locked up vs Marc Gasol last game they played and he scored 3 points on 1-4 shooting 7 rebounds ? Had 5 blocks, but the Stephenson and George won that game for the Pacers.

Yeah, impacts the game more than any center. :oldlol:



Hibbert is like the Mark Eaton of this era. Hibbert is slightly better at scoring, but he does almost nothing else better than Eaton. Don't think Eaton ever got considered the best center in the league, even though he anchored the best defense in the league on multiple occasions.

HE CAN HOOKS WITH BOTH HANDS,SHOTS FROM 17 FT,MUCH BETTER THAN DWIGHT ONLY CAN DUNK :oldlol:

[Legends66NBA7]

HE CAN HOOKS WITH BOTH HANDS,SHOTS FROM 17 FT,MUCH BETTER THAN DWIGHT ONLY CAN DUNK :oldlol:

I never said anything about Howard.

Hibbert's not the best center in the league, though.

[LAZERUSS]

I never said anything about Howard.

Hibbert's not the best center in the league, though.

It amazes me that Hibbert is getting so much hype here for what is basically a 10-10-5 .500 FG% season (so far.)

[juju151111]

It amazes me that Hibbert is getting so much hype here for what is basically a 10-10-5 .500 FG% season (so far.)
It's funny to me. This era centers have been garbage since Duncan/Shaq got done.

[Heavincent]

I like Hibbert, but I feel like he should put up much better scoring numbers considering how well he moves for a man of his size. Also has a nice touch on his hook shot and can even hit a mid range jumper every once in a while. For some reason that just hasn't translated into good offensive numbers. He's arguably the best defensive player in the league though.

[KOBE143]

It amazes me that Hibbert is getting so much hype here for what is basically a 10-10-5 .500 FG% season (so far.)
Hibbert >>> Wilt aka poor mans Mcgee

umad?

[Legends66NBA7]

It amazes me that Hibbert is getting so much hype here for what is basically a 10-10-5 .500 FG% season (so far.)

It's just a prisoner of the moment reaction, as usual.

If Howard, Gasol, Duncan, etc... score 3 points 7 rebounds 5 block game, while their wing players absolutely dominate the last game they played, you could have sworn they were role players.

And yeah, the line is basically very Mark Eaton-esque. Nothing wrong with saying Hibbert=Eaton either, Eaton was a beast on defense. Best center ? He's too inconsistent. A fine fit for the Pacers, but that team will have either George, Stephenson, or Hibbert set the tone and if Granger ever returns to form, him too.

If it was really Hibbert's team, he would be commanding Top MVP consideration, DPOY consideration, and averaging much more minutes and numbers. As of now, that's not even him. It's Paul George for the Pacers.

[LAZERUSS]

Hibbert >>> Wilt aka poor mans Mcgee

umad?

You would be hard-pressed to find single games in Wilt's career...in which he played so poorly (10-10-5 .500 FG% numbers.)

[KOBE143]

You would be hard-pressed to find single games in Wilt's career...in which he played so poorly (10-10-5 .500 FG% numbers.)
Prime Wilt would be a bench player today.. :banana:

[LAZERUSS]

Prime Wilt would be a bench player today.. :banana:

Yep... a player who was nearly 7-2, and would be measured at over 7-3 in today's NBA, with a 7-8 wingspan, 280-310 lbs, with track speed and a college high-jump champion...would be a bench player in today's NBA. Probably be backing up someone like Chuck Hayes.

[juju151111]

Yep... a player who was nearly 7-2, and would be measured at over 7-3 in today's NBA, with a 7-8 wingspan, 280-310 lbs, with track speed and a college high-jump champion...would be a bench player in today's NBA. Probably be backing up someone like Chuck Hayes.
Even through I diss Wilt a lot no way he doesn't put up some amazing numbers today. He would definitely be a defensive player of the year. He was a freak of nature in terms of length and height. He got Orlando Dwight explosiveness, but taller and bigger.

[Greg Oden 50]

It amazes me that Hibbert is getting so much hype here for what is basically a 10-10-5 .500 FG% season (so far.)

in just less than 30 mpg,9 fga :applause:

[Greg Oden 50]

Yep... a player who was nearly 7-2, and would be measured at over 7-3 in today's NBA, with a 7-8 wingspan, 280-310 lbs, with track speed and a college high-jump champion...would be a bench player in today's NBA. Probably be backing up someone like Chuck Hayes.

but wilt is soft mentally :oldlol:

[RoseCity07]

I don't care how crazy it sounds, I'd rather have Hibbert than Dwight Howard.

[crunk-juice]

I don't care how crazy it sounds, I'd rather have Hibbert than Dwight Howard.


many would :cheers:

[Mr. Jabbar]

I don't care how crazy it sounds, I'd rather have Hibbert than Dwight Howard.

thats not crazy at all, in fact it makes so much sense

[ItsMillerTime]

I don't see why PPG is a huge deal to you guys. On this Pacers squad, Hibbert does not need to score 20+ points a game for the team to win. They can rely on any of their other starters to put up points, but nobody impacts the defensive rim like Hibbert. You can't deny his blocks per game. He impacts so much, much more than just scoring offense..

I would rather take a team-oriented center rather than a prima donna worried about his personal stats any day.

[Gabuyaux]

Best center in the League? Fine. I guess the best center in the League is also like the 20th AT BEST player in the League. Weak era for centers.

[PTstyle272]

http://imageshack.us/a/img4/8184/f85j.png

:oldlol:

[Greg Oden 50]

Best center in the League? Fine. I guess the best center in the League is also like the 20th AT BEST player in the League. Weak era for centers.

still over howard :applause:

[All Net]

Best defensively

He hasn't scored many points but hasn't needed to.

[Nick Young]

So shaq was never the best center in the league?


Note: I am not saying Dwight is close to Shaq. Just pointing out that being a bad FT shooter does not exclude one from being the best center in the league.
Shaq was the most dominant offensive force in basketball history. Shaq had amazing fundamentals and loads of post moves.

I am disgusted you can compare Scrub Howard with The Big Aristotle.

Teams hacked Shaq but it didnt matter, he was so strong he's still get the and-1 at a really high rate so it didnt matter so much he missed freethrows.

D12 is not that dominant, can't pass, and turns the ball over way more. Also Dwight is undersized center and Shaq was huge. Horrible comparison.

A better comparison for Dwight is prime Ben Wallace.

[SacJB Shady]

still over howard :applause:


But I'm looking at Howard's stats and he's averaging 14 rebounds. Scoring more points that Hibbert as well, which would suggest Howard is still the best individual center in the league.

[InspiredLebowski]

He's Mutumbo 2.0. wears 55 and everything. see you haters at the HOF induction.

WHO WANTS TO SEX THE HIBBERT?!

also, jesus, HOORAY COUNTING STATS! basketball needs an MLB style statistical revolution, an that's in no way related to me being a Pacers fan.

[Clutch]

Let's compare these guys:

SCORING:
Dwight - 17.1 , Hibbert - 11.4

Seems like a clear advantage for Dwight,doesn't it ? Well,not exactly.
Dwight takes more field goal attempts per game and what people forget to mention,he takes A LOT more free throws (10 versus 3). Also if you consider that the Pacers are playing slow,grind it out type of basketball and the Rockets run a lot which puts Dwight into easier positions to score than Hibbert.
Also,let's not forget Dwight got owned by Andrea Bargnani both on offense and defense.

REBOUNDING:
Dwight - 14.9 , Hibbert 8.9

Seems like a clear advantage for Dwight but if you look at their contested rebound percentage it's about the same. Dwight plays 7 more minutes too.

BLOCKING:
Dwight - 2.5 , Hibbert 4.8

Clear advantage for Hibbert. Also if you look at their opponent FG% at the rim Hibbert has a clear advantage,33.8% while Dwight's opponent score 47.4% of times at the rim. That's worse than Bargnani's 43.5% :oldlol:

Also factor in that Hibbert isn't a cancer and is actually a serious basketball player who isn't taking every opportunity to goof around.

[SacJB Shady]

Let's compare these guys:

SCORING:
Dwight - 17.1 , Hibbert - 11.4

Seems like a clear advantage for Dwight,doesn't it ? Well,not exactly.
Dwight takes more field goal attempts per game and what people forget to mention,he takes A LOT more free throws (10 versus 3). Also if you consider that the Pacers are playing slow,grind it out type of basketball and the Rockets run a lot which puts Dwight into easier positions to score than Hibbert.
Also,let's not forget Dwight got owned by Andrea Bargnani both on offense and defense.

REBOUNDING:
Dwight - 14.9 , Hibbert 8.9

Seems like a clear advantage for Dwight but if you look at their contested rebound percentage it's about the same. Dwight plays 7 more minutes too.

BLOCKING:
Dwight - 2.5 , Hibbert 4.8

Clear advantage for Hibbert. Also if you look at their opponent FG% at the rim Hibbert has a clear advantage,33.8% while Dwight's opponent score 47.4% of times at the rim. That's worse than Bargnani's 43.5% :oldlol:

Also factor in that Hibbert isn't a cancer and is actually a serious basketball player who isn't taking every opportunity to goof around.



Well, Hibbert has some baggage too. He has used homophobic slurs.

[alenleomessi]

i think he could be but he is not there right now... sometimes when i watch this guy i wonder how the hell isnt he dominating and averaging like 20/10... but sometimes he completely disappears and is a huge liability on offense.. like the games against the heat..

[Nick Young]

Clear advantage for Hibbert. Also if you look at their opponent FG% at the rim Hibbert has a clear advantage,33.8% while Dwight's opponent score 47.4% of times at the rim. That's worse than Bargnani's 43.5% :oldlol:

Also factor in that Hibbert isn't a cancer and is actually a serious basketball player who isn't taking every opportunity to goof around.
Key stat right there. No one is afraid of Dwight Coward anymore. He is no longer DPoTY level center.

People always talk about him 'altering shots' and yet all of last year I've seen some of the scrubbiest scrubs in the league taking it hard to him at the rim and he was unable to do anything about it.

Statistically Bargnani is a better interior defender then Dwight, says it all really. Dwightmare is living off a reputation from 4 years ago.

[Haymaker]

Shaq was the most dominant offensive force in basketball history. Shaq had amazing fundamentals and loads of post moves.

I am disgusted you can compare Scrub Howard with The Big Aristotle.

Teams hacked Shaq but it didnt matter, he was so strong he's still get the and-1 at a really high rate so it didnt matter so much he missed freethrows.

D12 is not that dominant, can't pass, and turns the ball over way more. Also Dwight is undersized center and Shaq was huge. Horrible comparison.

A better comparison for Dwight is prime Ben Wallace.

:applause: Well said.

[STATUTORY]

Key stat right there. No one is afraid of Dwight Coward anymore. He is no longer DPoTY level center.

People always talk about him 'altering shots' and yet all of last year I've seen some of the scrubbiest scrubs in the league taking it hard to him at the rim and he was unable to do anything about it.

Statistically Bargnani is a better interior defender then Dwight, says it all really. Dwightmare is living off a reputation from 4 years ago.

all his blocks are glorified goal tends or shots that had no chance of going in and him swatting it into the front row gives opposing team another crack at a field goal :facepalm

guy is a straight up clown

[Nash]

Let's be real, Greg Oden is the best center in the league if he had someone elses knees.

[Miller for 3]

Lol at people saying Hibbert has no offensive game. Probably still living in denial that he has grown from his Georgetown days. Hibbert led the league in hookshots last year, and shot over 65% on them. He doesn't get spoonfed baskets (srs, look at the percentage of his FGs that are assisted, it's comically low compared to Dwight, Lopez, Gasol, Jefferson, etc.), so he has to create almost every one of his baskets by himself. That counts.

Sure, Tyson chandler may shoot 70% on nothing but alleyopps and putbacks. But Roy commands a double team and you can run an offense through him. You can't say the same about Dwight, who in addition to having no post game, is a terrible passer and can't shoot FTs.

[dunksby]

Let's be real, Greg Oden is the best center in the league if he had someone elses knees.
Bynum's?

[Rolando]

Shaq was the most dominant offensive force in basketball history. Shaq had amazing fundamentals and loads of post moves.

I am disgusted you can compare Scrub Howard with The Big Aristotle.

Teams hacked Shaq but it didnt matter, he was so strong he's still get the and-1 at a really high rate so it didnt matter so much he missed freethrows.

D12 is not that dominant, can't pass, and turns the ball over way more. Also Dwight is undersized center and Shaq was huge. Horrible comparison.

A better comparison for Dwight is prime Ben Wallace.

:pimp: Not bad for a guy with loads of bad rep.....:applause:

[mark henson 123]

:pimp: Not bad for a guy with loads of bad rep.....:applause:
Dwight howard is the best center in the nba

roy hibbert will lose to the heat in six cause he stinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:biggums:

[mark henson 123]

roy hibbert stinks!
Dwight howard is the best center!:rockon: :coleman: