LeBron James is currently averaging 61% FG% in 9 games

[no pun intended]

http://media.thehoopdoctors.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/lebronfg.jpg

The ever-increasing graph.

[russwest0]

It actually might be able to stay that high TBH because LeBron has grown into a massive efficiency whore and 90% of the Eastern Conference teams are complete shit so he'll be able to only take his easy looks and still win.

Just like last year though, once the playoffs hit his efficiency will drop significantly

[AngelEyes]

It actually might be able to stay that high TBH because LeBron has grown into a massive efficiency whore and 90% of the Eastern Conference teams are complete shit so he'll be able to only take his easy looks and still win.

Just like last year though, once the playoffs hit his efficiency will drop significantly

You can do better than that.

[LAZERUSS]

It actually might be able to stay that high TBH because LeBron has grown into a massive efficiency whore and 90% of the Eastern Conference teams are complete shit so he'll be able to only take his easy looks and still win.

Just like last year though, once the playoffs hit his efficiency will drop significantly

Yep... 39 points on 14-18 from the field, and 10-11 from the line. What a "stats-padder."

[9erempiree]

It actually might be able to stay that high TBH because LeBron has grown into a massive efficiency whore and 90% of the Eastern Conference teams are complete shit so he'll be able to only take his easy looks and still win.

Just like last year though, once the playoffs hit his efficiency will drop significantly

He loves his stats that is for sure.

He was watching his son play in a game and even bragged about his son's stats.

[russwest0]

You can do better than that.

Sorry that I don't get a raging hard-on when LeBron shoots 12/13 vs the Bobcats with all 12 makes coming in the paint and most of them in transition.

We all know once he plays good defenses in the playoffs he's not gonna be able to whore for his efficiency like he does vs the garbage teams in the East.

[che guevara]

Sorry that I don't get a raging hard-on when LeBron shoots 12/13 vs the Bobcats with all 12 makes coming in the paint and most of them in transition.

We all know once he plays good defenses in the playoffs he's not gonna be able to whore for his efficiency like he does vs the garbage teams in the East.
Yeah dude, totally. That's why he just had his best shooting game of the season against a Western team.

[MavsSuperFan]

:( why does Lebron have to be so good.

:ohwell:

[TheMilkyBarKid]

He loves his stats that is for sure.

He was watching his son play in a game and even bragged about his son's stats.
How dare LeBron go to his son's games and pay attention, he should be more like Dwight with his kids.
Seriously though the last 2 games have been awesome.

[SavageMode]

LeGod Mode

[kamil]

Yeah dude, totally. That's why he just had his best shooting game of the season against a Western team.

Yeah dude, totally. Against the mighty Mavericks.

[SavageMode]

Sorry that I don't get a raging hard-on when LeBron shoots 12/13 vs the Bobcats with all 12 makes coming in the paint and most of them in transition.

We all know once he plays good defenses in the playoffs he's not gonna be able to whore for his efficiency like he does vs the garbage teams in the East.
He just played against the Mavs and was clearly just cruising along.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

It actually might be able to stay that high TBH because LeBron has grown into a massive efficiency whore and 90% of the Eastern Conference teams are complete shit so he'll be able to only take his easy looks and still win.

Just like last year though, once the playoffs hit his efficiency will drop significantly

It's funny hearing you whine about Lebron all the time considering how much Durant has tried to make his game more like Lebron's.

[Meticode]

He's done nothing but elevate his game since joining the Heat (when people said he'd be less efficient and worse because he'd be sharing the ball with Wade)...and he still get's criticized...after winning two more MVPs and two rings. :oldlol:

[KingBeasley08]

The guy is just unreal. Best wing player since Jordan :bowdown:

[DirkNowitzki41]

easily the mvp

[russwest0]

Yeah dude, totally. Against the mighty Mavericks.

:lol :lol :lol

The funny thing is that the Mavericks are the toughest opponent he's gonna face in a while. Look at the rest of his schedule for this month and on. Nothing but trash teams. Most of them in the East.

The Jazz are the worst team in the league in the West, throw them in the East and they are competing for a playoff spot.

[9erempiree]

How dare LeBron go to his son's games and pay attention, he should be more like Dwight with his kids.
Seriously though the last 2 games have been awesome.

and tweet about it?

I watched some of tonight's game and he was clearly stat padding during the game.

Also, at the end of the game, he picked up his dribble and two games came to him to foul him and he had open teammates to past to, who were better free throw shooters than him.

[Mr. Jabbar]

this is precisely what makes lebron not-so fun to watch, dude picks his shots or should i say dunks? too carefully, kind of a safe player, im not judgiing results here, just entertainment-value

[9erempiree]

I don't know why people are in nut-mode over Lebron games when we saw what Boris Diaw did to him. Kawhi Leonard was shutting him down too.

Dare to shoot defense? Who the hell gets played that way.

Imagine MJ, Kobe or Bird was dared to shoot. They would be licking their chops.

[juju151111]

this is precisely what makes lebron not-so fun to watch, dude picks his shots or should i say dunks? too carefully, kind of a safe player, im not judgiing results here, just entertainment-value
This is regular season entertain for me to see if he can break records, but doubt he does this in the playoffs.

[KingBeasley08]

Craziest part is that the dude's going at maybe 50-60%. He's coasting and dominating the league like this :eek: :bowdown:

[RRR3]

I don't know why people are in nut-mode over Lebron games when we saw what Boris Diaw did to him. Kawhi Leonard was shutting him down too.

Dare to shoot defense? Who the hell gets played that way.

Imagine MJ, Kobe or Bird was dared to shoot. They would be licking their chops.
Whenever Kobe's open, he just pumpfakes until the defense comes out to guard him so he can look "cool" (and have an excuse for) tossing up a 30 foot brick

[Micku]

Whenever I watch him play, it seems like he just can't miss. He can hit from everywhere. But if you look at the stats for this season, he isn't shooting good from the mid range. It might change after tonight tho. He was hitting it all over the place in the 4th quarter against Dallas. His shot selection is amazing.

But he'll fall off with efficiency in the playoffs, but he's still great.

[kamil]

this is precisely what makes lebron not-so fun to watch, dude picks his shots or should i say dunks? too carefully, kind of a safe player, im not judgiing results here, just entertainment-value

I hate LeBron* but this argument is ridiculous. Would you really rather have him jack up shots like Kobe? If that happened, you KNOW people would be giving him the same shit that Kobe gets. But if he's making SMART plays he's given shit too? I mean come on, there's strategy to this game too. Either he IS picking and chosing his shots for efficient plays while reducing chances to fall behind or he simply isn't capable of making Kobe'esque plays.

So lets say he doesn't want to chuck which obviously forces teammates to do so... what are THEIR percentages?

[Fudge]

That's fcking insane. **** this ***** doe.

[RRR3]

Whenever I watch him play, it seems like he just can't miss. He can hit from everywhere. But if you look at the stats for this season, he isn't shooting good from the mid range. It might change after tonight tho. He was hitting it all over the place in the 4th quarter against Dallas. His shot selection is amazing.
I like playoff LeBron more in some ways (aggressive playoff LeBron that is, not passive playoff LBJ). More desperate more fun to watch especially in 2012 playoffs. Not as much last year with the exception of the ECF

[DuMa]

it seems his FG% has a direct correlation with the amount of haters on ISH

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ljictzW1SG1qd80r9o1_1280.jpg

[KOBE143]

As usual LeBron is cherry picking his shot to make his FG% looks good..

Statpadding to the next level.. :bowdown:

[LAZERUSS]

As usual LeBron is cherry picking his shot to make his FG% looks good..

Statpadding to the next level.. :bowdown:

And his team is suffering greatly because of it.

Reminds me of Wilt's "stats-padding" when he led the league in assists. His team could only go 62-20 that season.

[Micku]

LeBron FG% would drop down tho. I doubt he'll keep up this pace for long. It happens. But still, what great efficiency.

[Greg Oden 50]

LeGod Mode
only one god here................his name is michael jordan :no:

[Greg Oden 50]

Craziest part is that the dude's going at maybe 50-60%. He's coasting and dominating the league like this :eek: :bowdown:


dominant with under 30 ppg :facepalm

[LAZERUSS]

dominant with under 30 ppg :facepalm

Just curious, can you name the players who averaged 35+ ppg and led their team to a title?

[Greg Oden 50]

I don't know why people are in nut-mode over Lebron games when we saw what Boris Diaw did to him. Kawhi Leonard was shutting him down too.

Dare to shoot defense? Who the hell gets played that way.

Imagine MJ, Kobe or Bird was dared to shoot. They would be licking their chops.

because his game is ugly,lack skills and disgraceful,hard to be a fan of a roboat :facepalm

[wfb]

I think what's he's doing is very smart, the Heat is not really a great rebounding team. He's just making sure that they're getting points whenever they have the ball, by picking his shots.

[Greg Oden 50]

Just curious, can you name the players who averaged 35+ ppg and led their team to a title?

michael jordan 30 ppg and win the champs in 91-93 :confusedshrug:

[Droid101]

That's really good. They must have a perfect record then, yeah? Why let anyone else touch the ball if you're shooting 61%, right?

[#number6ix#]

Is Greg Oden 50 fresh kid aka Wilds09

[Greg Oden 50]

lebron plays in a soft ass era and michael jordan faced toughess era in 90's,if prime jordan plays with today rules,he'll avg 40ppg with 70 fg%,no one could stop him in this era :rockon:

[wfb]

Is Greg Oden 50 fresh kid aka Wilds09

If the way they murder the english language is any proof, yes he is!

[Greg Oden 50]

Is Greg Oden 50 fresh kid aka Wilds09
no..........I just hate A Robot playing basketball :oldlol:

[#number6ix#]

no..........I just hate A Roboat playing basketball :oldlol:
What the hell is that

[wfb]

That's really good. They must have a perfect record then, yeah? Why let anyone else touch the ball if you're shooting 61%, right?

You do know that his team has four more players right?

[Greg Oden 50]

If the way they murder the english language is any proof, yes he is!
NO ..........English is not my language............
my lanuage is Canotnese

我的母語是廣東話,你懂嗎 ???

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The no handchecking era. Gotta love it. :oldlol:

[Droid101]

You do know that his team has four more players right?
Why? Who plays basketball like that?

[Droid101]

What the hell is that
http://gregboats.com/pages/boat2.jpg

[Greg Oden 50]

What the hell is that
http://www.positiveparentingconnection.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/robot.jpg

[wfb]

Greg, english is my 5th language that's not an excuse.

[Greg Oden 50]

no one even try to contest with this soft ass defence :facepalm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0dQI4qRwWE

[tpols]

The no handchecking era. Gotta love it. :oldlol:
Cmon man thats a poor argument here. Lebron cant be stopped with a handcheck.. he would plow over MJ one on one, abuse him for position down low and lay it in.. he's got 25+lbs over the average SF guarding him and is faster than all of them.


Bron is just picking and choosing his spots perfectly now... numbers will drop a bunch in playoffs when defenses force him out of his comfort zone and he needs to score more.

[kamil]

http://www.positiveparentingconnection.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/robot.jpg

Can you post this image again in high res?

[wfb]

Can you post this image again in high res?

Don't give him any more ideas, please. :banghead:

[Dresta]

It actually might be able to stay that high TBH because LeBron has grown into a massive efficiency whore and 90% of the Eastern Conference teams are complete shit so he'll be able to only take his easy looks and still win.

Just like last year though, once the playoffs hit his efficiency will drop significantly
Moron.

It is easier to put up high % numbers in the West:

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/effectiveFGPct/order/true

Generally slower pace and better defence in the East.

[Greg Oden 50]

Cmon man thats a poor argument here. Lebron cant be stopped with a handcheck.. he would plow over MJ one on one, abuse him for position down low and lay it in.. he's got 25+lbs over the average SF guarding him and is faster than all of them.


Bron is just picking and choosing his spots perfectly now... numbers will drop a bunch in playoffs when defenses force him out of his comfort zone and he needs to score more.

mailman will stop him :oldlol:no matter how strong you're,he will KO LeFlop James
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BgSB2aFRP4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgM0Xm4E9UI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0nIHCR--Bg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bM-Y4UoiAY

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Cmon man thats a poor argument here. Lebron cant be stopped with a handcheck.. he would plow over MJ one on one,abuse him for position down low and lay it in.. he's got 25+lbs over the average SF guarding him and is faster than all of them.


I never said that handchecking would 'stop' LeBron. Without it, picking his spots or not, he looks too comfortable out there. It's ridiculous.

...and what will ESPN tell people? LeBron put on a clinic with his 'post game', the Mavs played bad defense, hell maybe someone on the internet will compare LeBron’s 'post game' to MJ's (perish the thought). “Who’s more unstoppable in the post?”

Either way you look at it, these perimeter players today are producing these memories and moments under little if any physical resistance. I get the same feeling and thoughts when I see Kobe, and even my boy CP3. I have this thought all the time, with everyone. It sucks so bad because I really don’t think we can truly compare today’s perimeter players to past perimeter players unless they blow past perimeter players’ production clean out of the water. Tonight’s few plays where the Mavs looked afraid to put real contact on LeBron was another reminder that there is no real defense being played today.

[Dresta]

That's really good. They must have a perfect record then, yeah? Why let anyone else touch the ball if you're shooting 61%, right?
Miami has the best offensive efficiency in the NBA by some distance right now; they lost because for defensive reasons, not because of Lebron not shooting more. Their offense thrives because of ball movement, good spacing and unselfish play - that would be harmed by Lebron hijacking the offense. In fact, the times Miami have looked the least good offensively has been when Lebron has resorting to Kobe-like hero ball, pounding the ball up top and taking bad shots.

[Droid101]

Miami has the best offensive efficiency in the NBA by some distance right now; they lost because for defensive reasons, not because of Lebron not shooting more. Their offense thrives because of ball movement, good spacing and unselfish play - that would be harmed by Lebron hijacking the offense. In fact, the times Miami have looked the least good offensively has been when Lebron has resorting to Kobe-like hero ball, pounding the ball up top and taking bad shots.
Good point, you're right. As the saying goes, "offense wins championships."

[Greg Oden 50]

Miami has the best offensive efficiency in the NBA by some distance right now; they lost because for defensive reasons, not because of Lebron not shooting more. Their offense thrives because of ball movement, good spacing and unselfish play - that would be harmed by Lebron hijacking the offense. In fact, the times Miami have looked the least good offensively has been when Lebron has resorting to Kobe-like hero ball, pounding the ball up top and taking bad shots.

LEBRON SCORES IN EFFICENCY BECAUSE THIS SOFT ERA DEFENCE :oldlol:

[KingBeasley08]

Good point, you're right. As the saying goes, "offense wins championships."
No doubt about it. Tough to win championships without a good offense

[tpols]

I never said that handchecking would 'stop' LeBron. Without it, picking his spots or not, he looks too comfortable out there. It's ridiculous.

...and what will ESPN tell people? LeBron put on a clinic with his 'post game', the Mavs played bad defense, hell maybe someone on the internet will compare LeBron’s 'post game' to MJ's (perish the thought). “Who’s more unstoppable in the post?”

Either way you look at it, these perimeter players today are producing these memories and moments under little if any physical resistance. I get the same feeling and thoughts when I see Kobe, and even my boy CP3. I have this thought all the time, with everyone. It sucks so bad because I really don’t think we can truly compare today’s perimeter players to past perimeter players unless they blow past perimeter players’ production clean out of the water. Tonight’s few plays where the Mavs looked afraid to put real contact on LeBron was another reminder that there is no real defense being played today.


Go rewatch the Indy-Mia and Bulls-Mia and Spurs-Mia and Dallas-Mia series.. those series were extremely touchy handchecking all game and the new straight up rule being more enforced than ever where the big men can straight body people with no foul calls.

You're just living in the past.. the league got soft for a few years between 05 and 07ish to make money and generate views but it's been steadily going back to pre-rule changes since then. The contact refs allow in the playoffs now is crazy. Dont know why you're even talking Kobe.. he played in one of the most physical and touh defenses ever from 00 to 04 and his game showed little resistance while handchecking was present. He's a post midrange guy.. you could always put your hands on an offensive player if their back was turned to you anyways. Bron is even more resistant to handchecking than Kobe.. way stronger and faster than everyone else.



And Bron isnt James Harden or Kevin Durant here... he doesnt even bait FTs or try to play for free throws.. thats one respectable thing about him despite the FG statpadding, at least he tries to get buckets.

[Legends66NBA7]

Good point, you're right. As the saying goes, "offense wins championships."

The saying should be that both offense and defense (or a well-rounded team) wins championships.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Nah, I just have a brain and don't let ESPN spoon feed me BS.

No defense vs Pacers ECF (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=doOE8p3v1Pc)

You know what I see? Defensive 3 second rule, no one even touches him (handchecking an obvious illegal screen by Shane Battier (watch him), and I see over and over again on a nightly basis a bunch of perimeter players just feasting on today’s soft, infrequent contact, NBA. Just absurd.

Is what it is. I'm over it.

[KingBeasley08]

Old era defense is overrated as hell. Couldn't even play zone back then :roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Oh man!! Zone defense?!?! lol. What a moron.

[AintNoSunshine]

It actually might be able to stay that high TBH because LeBron has grown into a massive efficiency whore and 90% of the Eastern Conference teams are complete shit so he'll be able to only take his easy looks and still win.

Just like last year though, once the playoffs hit his efficiency will drop significantly


Lebron's going to double up Westbrook's fg% pretty soon:oldlol: One keeps improving, the other one keeps chucking away:oldlol:

[KingBeasley08]

I respect you older folks but there's no harm in admitting that "the old days" weren't as good as you remember. Else you'll end up like jlauber in 20 years :oldlol:

[tpols]

Old era defense is overrated as hell. Couldn't even play zone back then :roll:
It's Jordan stans not being able to let go.. I dont even like Bron. I root against him and MIA in every single match up. But even I wont dismiss this because of defense being played. He's putting up these numbers because he can afford to pick and choose spots with how many offensive weapons Miami has. Not because the defense is weak. If that were true he wouldve shot 60% back in 06 when the defenses actually were softer.

Nowadays? schemes with man and zone are more sophisticated than ever and perimeter defenses are quicker and more reactive. Older generations will always diss new age guys for their older favorites.. just the way it will always be. Lebron would drop similar numbers in any era.. couldnt even imagine him in the 80s.. Magic johnson with Jordans speed in an up and down game. Would pay to see that

[Legends66NBA7]

Old era defense is overrated as hell. Couldn't even play zone back then :roll:

That zone argument has already been debunked numerous times.

Also, players today have said that it's a weakness of sorts. Dirk Nowitzki for example in 2011 said how the Mavericks wanted to be a good man to man team, not a good zone team since they only play the zone to switch things up on defense and the majority of the league will play man to man defense more often that not.

I've always found the zone easy to beat if you have a good rebounder in the middle or a good mid-range game. It's always been the flaw of the zone defense.

[Dresta]

LEBRON SCORES IN EFFICENCY BECAUSE THIS SOFT ERA DEFENCE :oldlol:
So why isn't everyone scoring at that efficiency?

Idiot.

[Greg Oden 50]

No doubt about it. Tough to win championships without a good offense

2004 PISTONS :confusedshrug:

[Greg Oden 50]

So why isn't everyone scoring at that efficiency?

Idiot.

池塘無魚蝦自大

[Greg Oden 50]

Old era defense is overrated as hell. Couldn't even play zone back then :roll:

zone defence is overrated............

can't even stop 40 yrears old michael jordan scores at will :oldlol:

[TheMilkyBarKid]

and tweet about it?

I watched some of tonight's game and he was clearly stat padding during the game.

Also, at the end of the game, he picked up his dribble and two games came to him to foul him and he had open teammates to past to, who were better free throw shooters than him.
People tweet about everything, so what? Its obvious you're just hating cos its LeBron.
And LeBron was 6/6 of his late 4th quater free throws so I don't see a problem there. If LeBron had passed it off you would be ragging on him for not having the balls to take the shots. He played well tonight and if he plays like he had the last 2 games he might just be the first person to win 3 mvps in a row since Larry legend. But that guy wad just an era-specific poser right? :coleman:

[zoom17]

So why isn't everyone scoring at that efficiency?

Idiot.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Greg Oden 50]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
beasue they are not as athlectic as lebron james:no:

[JerryWest]

beasue they are not as athlectic as lebron james :no:
nice spelling

[Greg Oden 50]

nice spelling

thnaks a lot :cheers:

[LAZERUSS]

beasue they are not as athlectic as lebron james:no:

That's why James White and Gerald Green are among the league leaders in scoring and FG% efficiency, too.

[Micku]

It's Jordan stans not being able to let go.. I dont even like Bron. I root against him and MIA in every single match up. But even I wont dismiss this because of defense being played. He's putting up these numbers because he can afford to pick and choose spots with how many offensive weapons Miami has. Not because the defense is weak. If that were true he wouldve shot 60% back in 06 when the defenses actually were softer.

Nowadays? schemes with man and zone are more sophisticated than ever and perimeter defenses are quicker and more reactive. Older generations will always diss new age guys for their older favorites.. just the way it will always be. Lebron would drop similar numbers in any era.. couldnt even imagine him in the 80s.. Magic johnson with Jordans speed in an up and down game. Would pay to see that

I agree that LBJ would basically average similar numbers in any era. But the paint was more clogged and teams didn't have good spacing. Teams back then would probably dare him to shoot the jumper like the Spurs, but they would clogged the paint more. LeBron James scoring in the half court against teams like the Celtics and Pistons would be a bit tougher I assume.

With that said, he'll be the best player in the open court. He'll thrive like he is doing right now. He's probably the best perimeter finisher to ever play the game, so he would adjust.

[secund2nun]

So he is averaging 27 ppg this season yet he is picking his shots? lol threatened trolls

Lebron= 3rd in the NBA in fg % and 8th in the NBA in 3 point % :bowdown:

27 ppg (on 16 spg), 7 apg, 6 rpg, 61% fg, 52% 3 point

[JerryWest]

thnaks a lot :cheers:
negged :durantunimpressed:

[Doranku]

Yet he shoots 47% in the playoffs... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[Greg Oden 50]

That's why James White and Gerald Green are among the league leaders in scoring and FG% efficiency, too.

they are not david stern's son like lebron did,didn't get protection by the refs :cry:

[Greg Oden 50]

negged :durantunimpressed:

my pleasure :party:

[Greg Oden 50]

Yet he shoots 47% in the playoffs... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

choker :oldlol:

[Greg Oden 50]

So he is averaging 27 ppg this season yet he is picking his shots? lol threatened trolls

Lebron= 3rd in the NBA in fg % and 8th in the NBA in 3 point % :bowdown:

27 ppg (on 16 spg), 7 apg, 6 rpg, 61% fg, 52% 3 point

stats paddar :applause:

[JerryWest]

Yet he shoots 47% in the playoffs... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
exposed! :dancin

[alenleomessi]

Yet he shoots 47% in the playoffs... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
and still better than kobe at his best :oldlol:

[HomieWeMajor]

Cot damn
Next season he should break Wilt's fg% record. Even if he averages < 20 ppg he will have his name in the record books over that 7 foot statpadder.

[Greg Oden 50]

and still better than kobe at his best :oldlol:
jordan >>>>>>>> leflop :oldlol:

[russwest0]

Yet he shoots 47% in the playoffs... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Regular season warrior LeGoat :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[DMAVS41]

I don't really follow the arguments. Either the regular season matters a lot (which I don't think it does) for great players in all time rankings...or it doesn't.

If it does...then how a player performs in the regular season against poor and unmotivated teams matters.

Of course he can't keep it up in the playoffs. He's playing far better competition night in night out and isn't able to pick his spots as easily. This is why I think the regular season is almost meaningless when comparing all time greats....and for evaluating teams as well. It's too easy to win a shit ton of regular season games if you have a good team that tries really hard every night. See the 07 Mavericks or the 09 Cavs....yet we all know those teams just weren't that good....or I should say that the weren't as good as their record indicates.

Do we really care if Lebron what Lebron shoots in the regular season? I don't. I also don't think it's statpadding at all. It's just smart basketball taking advantage of his team strength and the weaknesses of his opponents.

The argument that Lebron's regular season numbers don't count, but others do...just makes no sense. Especially when Lebron's teams are basically winning around 60 every year now since 09.

But to jump to a different example...Kevin Love. Highly impressive what he's doing now and what he did a couple years back when he was healthy. But does that mean much? Well, not really. I want to see him produce like that in the playoffs when you aren't going to play terrible teams and you aren't playing teams that aren't trying very hard.

The playoffs separates the regular season stars and true all time greats.

A perfect example of this to date would be the 11 Bulls and Rose. You had a team that simply tried harder than pretty much everyone else in the regular season. And give them credit for just that...trying harder, but to use that regular season as evidence of how good Rose is as a player because of his stats and team record...is horribly flawed. Horribly. That is why you get to the playoffs and the pretenders always become apparent. Just like those 07 Mavs and 09 and 10 Cavs teams. They didn't win so many regular season games because they were great teams...they won because they came to play every night in a way other teams simply didn't.

It's why a guy like Dejuan Blair is a good regular season player, but drops off considerably in the playoffs. He's good because of hustle and effort. And when he's not able to try harder than his opponent (like in the playoffs)...he's just not very good.

So while it's not stat padding at all for Lebron...it's just smart basketball...nobody should really think more of Lebron because his fg% is so high in the regular season. It should matter if you are comparing regular seasons to regular seasons, but looking at Lebron overall as a player vs Kobe overall as a player...regular season numbers just really shouldn't matter in my opinion.

I want to know what these guys are going to do when the competition gets tougher and there might not be a "next game"...that's what really matters. Now that these guys do against some scrub team in the regular season giving 80% effort. Who gives a shit about that?

[russwest0]

Dmavs do you agree Blake Griffin and James Harden are overrated because of regular season play that doesn't translate as well to the playoffs

[DMAVS41]

Dmavs do you agree Blake Griffin and James Harden are overrated because of regular season play that doesn't translate as well to the playoffs

Absolutely.

Look at Griffin. 21/10/4 56% TS averages for his career in the regular season.

Playoffs? 17/6/3 53% TS career averages.

I know the playoffs are a small sample size, but still. To date...Griffin has done nothing in the playoffs.

Carmelo is another guy. His TS numbers fall by like 4% in the playoffs. That matters when they are average to begin with.

Some of this depends on where you start...meaning if Melo started at 61% TS and fell to 57% TS...it wouldn't matter as much. But being a 51% TS scorer in the playoffs is just not good.

[RoseCity07]

Kobe shoots 45 percent and averages 30 PPG and he gets compared to Jordan. Lebron averages 25 PPG shooting 60% and he's overrated. The average NBA fan doesn't understand the game.

[DMAVS41]

Kobe shoots 45 percent and averages 30 PPG and he gets compared to Jordan. Lebron averages 25 PPG shooting 60% and he's overrated. The average NBA fan doesn't understand the game.

I don't think regular seasons matter much, but clearly Lebron has been the better regular season player between him and Kobe.

26/5/5 56% TS for Kobe
28/7/7 58% TS for Lebron

Kobe fans can slice and dice years off Kobe's career and cut out his first few years and whatever, but you still have Lebron as the better regular season player.

Means nothing to me, but if it does matter...the answer is clearly Lebron.

[Greg Oden 50]

Kobe shoots 45 percent and averages 30 PPG and he gets compared to Jordan. Lebron averages 25 PPG shooting 60% and he's overrated. The average NBA fan doesn't understand the game.

facing weaker defence & had his dad help him:banana:

[Lebron23]

Lebron is averaging 27 ppg on 61 FG%.

[TheCorporation]

Is this the same "stat padder" that is taking 3.2 3PA per game, and shooting 52% from 3-point land? Haters gonna hate :lol

[TheCorporation]

I don't think regular seasons matter much, but clearly Lebron has been the better regular season player between him and Kobe.

26/5/5 56% TS for Kobe
28/7/7 58% TS for Lebron

Kobe fans can slice and dice years off Kobe's career and cut out his first few years and whatever, but you still have Lebron as the better regular season player.

Means nothing to me, but if it does matter...the answer is clearly Lebron.

Take out LBJ's rookie year and his stats would look even better as well.

[russwest0]

Is this the same "stat padder" that is taking 3.2 3PA per game, and shooting 52% from 3-point land? Haters gonna hate :lol


Wow, is that the highest 3pt percentage for a season ever?

LeBron setting records :bowdown:

Astonishing to see a player shoot below 75% from the FT line and over 50% from 3pt land for 82 games

LeGOAT :bowdown:

[TheCorporation]

Wow, is that the highest 3pt percentage for a season ever?

LeBron setting records :bowdown:

Astonishing to see a player shoot below 75% from the FT line and over 50% from 3pt land for 82 games

LeGOAT :bowdown:

Is 50% from 3-point land not good enough for you? :lol :lol

[russwest0]

Is 50% from 3-point land not good enough for you? :lol :lol

Reading comprehension :facepalm

[DMAVS41]

Take out LBJ's rookie year and his stats would look even better as well.

Exactly...Lebron's rookie year would have to be removed if we remove Kobe's first 3 years like the Kobe stans always want.

[TheCorporation]

Reading comprehension :facepalm

Go home russwestroll, you're drunk.

[All Net]

It actually might be able to stay that high TBH because LeBron has grown into a massive efficiency whore and 90% of the Eastern Conference teams are complete shit so he'll be able to only take his easy looks and still win.

Just like last year though, once the playoffs hit his efficiency will drop significantly

Just shut up already.

[Hoopz2332]

Is this the same "stat padder" that is taking 3.2 3PA per game, and shooting 52% from 3-point land? Haters gonna hate :lol


:oldlol: :applause:

[comerb]

It actually might be able to stay that high TBH because LeBron has grown into a massive efficiency whore and 90% of the Eastern Conference teams are complete shit so he'll be able to only take his easy looks and still win.

Just like last year though, once the playoffs hit his efficiency will drop significantly

An efficiency whore? :biggums:

Are you even trying? Dumbest shit I've ever heard.

[Lebron23]

Joyner82 is rolling in his grave. Poor Trolling attempt by his alternate account.

[Trollsmasher]

Durant fan lamenting about a "stat-padding whore"?

The irony:roll:

[OhNoTimNoSho]

http://media.thehoopdoctors.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/lebronfg.jpg

The ever-increasing graph.
If he plays until 2035 hell be shooting 100%

[uoykcuf]

If he plays until 2035 hell be shooting 100%

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-o9MGphc_jgw/UVSo11dql8I/AAAAAAAALIo/IWWSBoxTDFg/s1600/thumbs-up.gif

[Trollsmasher]

27,3 ppg on 70,1% TS (62/52/78) in just 36 mpg:bowdown:

[thabisyo]

27,3 ppg on 70,1% TS (62/52/78) in just 36 mpg:bowdown:

We are not worthy :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Trollsmasher]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZPcNtGCAAANmEG.png

[zoom17]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZPcNtGCAAANmEG.png

:bowdown:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZPcNtGCAAANmEG.png
Force him to the right baseline. He sucks from there.

[NumberSix]

Force him to the right baseline. He sucks from there.
I thought Jordan said you were supposed to force him left doe?

#GOATevaluator

[thabisyo]

Force him to the right baseline. He sucks from there.

Lol, He sucks from there :lol, at the worst place he shoots 50%. What a loser :roll:

[Fudge]

MJ > LeBran

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lol, He sucks from there :lol, at the worst place he shoots 50%. What a loser :roll:
I was being sarcastic you idiot.

[Fudge]

I was being sarcastic you idiot.
:roll:

Just gave him tha bis yo.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Volume scoring on BUCKETS gets me hard. Not consecutive games of high efficiency. That's the difference between basketball fans, and baseball like stat nerds. Bunch of John Hollingers.

[RRR3]

Volume scoring on BUCKETS gets me hard. Not consecutive games of high efficiency. That's the difference between basketball fans, and baseball like stat nerds. Bunch of John Hollingers.
Derrick Rose statpadding in blowout vs Pacers=DA GAWD :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

LeBron 14-18 in close game vs Mavericks="stat padding"


:roll: :facepalm

[SamuraiSWISH]

Derrick Rose statpadding in blowout vs Pacers=DA GAWD :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

LeBron 14-18 in close game vs Mavericks="stat padding"


:roll: :facepalm
How is D. Rose stat padding? Thibs put him in the game. He hit one 3 and he isn't forcing the issue. He's not out there visibly trying to pad his numbers. He's swinging the ball on offense and shooting when he's open. Or if the clock is low. Don't just watch box scores, nerd. Stat padding is LeBron in game 4 of the NBA Finals.

[Young X]

Bron last 2 games: 69 pts on 27-36 shooting. :bowdown:

[RRR3]

How is D. Rose stat padding? Thibs put him in the game. He hit one 3 and he isn't forcing the issue. He's not out there visibly trying to pad his numbers. He's swinging the ball on offense and shooting when he's open. Or if the clock is low. Don't just watch box scores, nerd. Stat padding is LeBron in game 4 of the NBA Finals.
He's taken like 4 threes in the last five minutes

[HoopsFanNumero1]

He's taken like 4 threes in the last five minutes

Pretty sad that Rose needs to stat-pad just to get to 20 points.

[zoom17]

Pretty sad that Rose needs to stat-pad just to get to 20 points.

Lebron got that at half time :oldlol:

[kamil]

Derrick Rose statpadding in blowout vs Pacers=DA GAWD :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

LeBron 14-18 in close game vs Mavericks="stat padding"


:roll: :facepalm

I don't recall anyone saying 'da gawd' when Rose was making shots. Could you please post links to such comments?

ps. Good luck finding those comments. Loser.

[uoykcuf]

Bron last 2 games: 69 pts on 27-36 shooting. :bowdown:

:bowdown: :eek: :bowdown:

http://i49.tinypic.com/2wmnojo.jpg

[RRR3]

Pretty sad that Rose needs to stat-pad just to get to 20 points.
Statpadding backfire, ended up 7-16 :oldlol:

[poido123]

He's taken like 4 threes in the last five minutes

Wow, where the fck has this new shit come from?

Derrick Rose is now a stat padder too? Want to hate the guy even more? :oldlol:

It's the same shit from Heat fans, they throw shit at Rose and the Bulls, trying to deflect the shit that Lebron is KNOWN for.

Lebron is the biggest stat padder and flopper in the league, but nice try though :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Wow, where the fck has this new shit come from?

Derrick Rose is now a stat padder too? Want to hate the guy even more? :oldlol:

It's the same shit from Heat fans, they throw shit at Rose and the Bulls, trying to deflect the shit that Lebron is KNOWN for.

Lebron is the biggest stat padder and flopper in the league, but nice try though :oldlol:
Rose can't even pad his stats right, he bricked like 5 threes trying to pad his points :roll:

[poido123]

Rose can't even pad his stats right, he bricked like 5 threes trying to pad his points :roll:

Man, you are one sad sack of shit man, I don't know how anyone could hate on Rose in that game. :oldlol:

Go back to your basement and get yo mamma to make you a sandwich :hammerhead:

[RRR3]

Man, you are one sad sack of shit man, I don't know how anyone could hate on Rose in that game. :oldlol:

Go back to your basement and get yo mamma to make you a sandwich :hammerhead:
My mom is about a million miles away from me, that'd be quite an accomplishment, especially considering there's no basement where I'm living.
I don't literally hate Rose, just tired of him being overrated. Don't like his chucking style either. Some players I can forgive for chucking (T-Mac, Monta, WB) some it bothers me more (Kobe, Rose)

[poido123]

Pretty sad that Rose needs to stat-pad just to get to 20 points.

Why are you talking about Rose in a Lebron James thread? He has you shook I see :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Why are you talking about Rose in a Lebron James thread? He has you shook I see :oldlol:
His 14 PPG on 33% has us terrified

[RRR3]

Why? That makes no sense. Monta and WB are the worst decision makers on this list. And Kobe proved himself in the long haul as being better than T-Mac. Rose when healthy is better than Westbrook, and all of them are better than Monta. Talk about contradicting one's self. Kobe is the biggest winner in that entire list, too. And then it's actually Rose.
I'm not basing on sense, I think Kobe is an overrated prick and I loved watching T-Mac. Monta is fun and WB is better than Rose, but gets no credit for being better.

[SamuraiSWISH]

I'm not basing on sense, I think Kobe is an overrated prick and I loved watching T-Mac. Monta is fun and WB is better than Rose, but gets no credit for being better.
How is Kobe overrated? He's the second best SG of all-time, and a top ten player. Westbrook couldn't be considered better than Rose until D-Rose tore his ACL. Before that it's not even that close. The context or burden the two held were dramatically different for their teams. Rose shouldered much larger responsibility. Now? Yea, you could probably get away with saying Westbrook is better. Rose is working himself back into the game, and Westbrook hasn't missed any significant amount of time.

[NumberSix]

Why? That makes no sense. Monta and WB are the worst decision makers on this list. And Kobe proved himself in the long haul as being better than T-Mac. Rose when healthy is better than Westbrook, and all of them are better than Monta. Talk about contradicting one's self. Kobe is the biggest winner in that entire list, too. And then it's actually Rose.
Didn't Westbrook go to the finals and pretty much ball out?

[poido123]

His 14 PPG on 33% has us terrified

Well if he is so irrelevant to you, why do you and other Heat fans spend so much time and effort talking about him? It's laughable :oldlol:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Didn't Westbrook go to the finals and pretty much ball out?
Didn't he get there with a player better than himself? You know, Kevin Durant? Oh, he also had James Harden helping him get there too. All major distractions for a defense. Rose has the luxury of who? An inconsistent, on the decline Carlos Boozer and a glorified, jump shooting role player in Luol Deng? Yea, real comparable situation there kiddo.

:oldlol:

[RRR3]

How is Kobe overrated? Because a huge amount of people think he's the GOATHe's the second best SG of all-time, and a top ten player. Westbrook couldn't be considered better than Rose until D-Rose tore his ACL. Sure he could. Westbrook can score on LeBronBefore that it's not even that close. The context or burden the two held were dramatically different for their teams. Rose shouldered much larger responsibility. Now? Yea, you could probably get away with saying Westbrook is better. Rose is working himself back into the game, and Westbrook hasn't missed any significant amount of time.
....

[RRR3]

Well if he is so irrelevant to you, why do you and other Heat fans spend so much time and effort talking about him? It's laughable :oldlol:
Heat fan? :lol LAWL I couldn't give two shits about anyone on the Heat except for LeBron and Chalmers, I'm not a Heat fan. Don't have a team until STL gets one

[NumberSix]

Well if he is so irrelevant to you, why do you and other Heat fans spend so much time and effort talking about him? It's laughable :oldlol:
Because LeBron threads like this one get turned into Derrick Rose arguments.

You come in here expecting to discuss one thing and apparently Bulls fans have come out of hiding after he finally has a half decent game and turned the topic into a Derrick Rose discussion.

[SamuraiSWISH]

....
Who considers Kobe to be the GOAT besides like Yao Ming's Foot aka KB42PAH aka Alborz.

[RRR3]

Who considers Kobe to be the GOAT besides like Yao Ming's Foot aka KB42PAH aka Alborz.
Casual fans, a lot of people I knew at my HS. Or at least 2nd after Jordan.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Casual fans, a lot of people I knew at my HS. Or at least 2nd after Jordan.
Why would you let their irrational opinions dictate your own thoughts on him as a player? Are you that weak minded or un-educated in a basketball sense that you can't formulate your own opinion? You let others dictate you like that?

That's some real BETA, LeBron being left wide open scared to shoot jumpers type stuff.

:oldlol:

[RRR3]

Why would you let their irrational opinions dictate your own thoughts on him as a player? Are you that weak minded you can't formulate your own opinion? You let others dictate you like that? That's some real BETA, LeBron being left wide open scared to shoot jumpers type stuff.

:oldlol:
It's hard to like someone who's fans have been telling you your two favorite players ever (T-Mac, LBJ) suck for your entire time as an NBA fan. I find Kobe to be an arrogant prick in general anyways, I just don't like him. I never denied his ability. I'm allowed to be a Kobe hater.

[poido123]

Why would you let their irrational opinions dictate your own thoughts on him as a player? Are you that weak minded or un-educated in a basketball sense that you can't formulate your own opinion? You let others dictate you like that?

That's some real BETA, LeBron being left wide open scared to shoot jumpers type stuff.

:oldlol:


:roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Sure he could. Westbrook could score on LeBron
So could D-Rose, if the rest of the Heat defense was distracted by playmakers like Durant, and Harden on his Bulls team. But sadly, they don't exist. Thus why Derrick Rose is apples and oranges in context compared to him.

[KobeClutchAsFK]

I am a huge kobe and lakers fan and even I can admit that LeBron is ****ing amazing. all of you haters are ridiculous, both kobe haters and lebron haters. these guys are ****ing amazing.

[plowking]

What's worse than these stat geek types, is the "he stat padded the whole game" basketball fans.

If you're on the court, you play basketball. If you're the best player, you play basketball. Especially if you're the best player, you let everyone know it.

This stat pad shit is about as lame as the people who use it. Not quite though.

[NumberSix]

So could D-Rose, if the rest of the Heat defense was distracted by playmakers like Durant, and Harden on his Bulls team. But sadly, they don't exist. Thus why Derrick Rose is apples and oranges in context compared to him.
Lol. It's actually true. Heat pretty much decided "let this knucklehead chuck all he wants while we D up the non-retarded players".

:roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

In RRR3's logic: Kobe > LeBron. Why? Because Kobe could score on Bruce Bowen in the early 2000s and during the Gasol era. But Bowen locked Bron up. LeBron put up worse numbers on Bowen, than Rose did on LeBron.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Lol. It's actually true. Heat pretty much decided "let this knucklehead chuck all he wants while we D up the non-retarded players".

:roll:
Exactly. Bone head had one HUGE game, which he lost for his team in the final seconds because of his stupidity. And the rest of the series? Nothing special. This was while facing regular man defense, with little to no help. Heat were distracted with shutting down Durant on ISOs, and Harden in the pick and roll. Harden being the reason they got to the Finals given his clutch play v.s. San Antonio the series prior. Who shut Harden down in the 2012 Finals? Miami strippers.

:oldlol: