NBA Executives Rip 'Selfish' Carmelo Anthony, One Says He 'Can't Be Alpha Male

[Hoopz2332]

Here are a few keys excerpts:


One executive characterizes Melo as a "winner" but believes he developed too many bad habits early in his professional career.

I like Melo. I like that he competes. He obviously can score at a high level. People forget that when he got drafted by Denver, the Nuggets had won 17 games the year before. And he immediately turned them into a playoff team and took them to the playoffs every year he was there. He took a 17-win team and led them to 43 wins. So he can win and make a team better. I think his problem is that he went to Denver, which was a dysfunctional franchise at that time, so he picked up some bad habits and didn't learn what it takes to really win in this league. If he had gone to a better organization with a truly professional environment coming out of the gate, he would have learned and been more professional. He won big in college (leading Syracuse to the National Championship in 2003). He won big in high school at Oak Hill. He's been a winner all his life.

The other three executives were far less complimentary of Melo's ability to win in the NBA.

From Exec No. 2:

He's a great player, but he's also a selfish player. That's just how he is. I don't think he'll look at himself in the mirror and say, "What am I not doing? What am I doing that's keeping us from winning?"

From Exec No. 3:

I actually think that, for whatever reason, Melo's always gotten a pass. At the end of the day, he's been in the league long enough where, if he was really a winner and about winning, he'd have figured it out by now. He's had enough time to do that now.

From Exec No. 4:

I love him as a player. I just don't think he's your alpha male. He can't be your No. 1 guy. He's kind of like Clyde Drexler. As the alpha male in Portland, Clyde never got over the top. But when he went to Houston and was the No. 2 guy to Hakeem Olajuwon, he won. Melo's too much about himself to be the No. 1 guy.


And finally, here is perhaps the cruelest cut of all, courtesy of Exec No. 4: "He's kind of like the 2013 version of Stephon Marbury. He's not as bad as Stephon, but he's got Steph tendencies."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1851255-nba-executives-rip-selfish-carmelo-anthony-one-says-he-cant-be-alpha-male



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[Budadiiii]

Water is wet and Derrick Rose is socially awkward.

[Nick Young]

Carmelo can win a title as a number one guy in the NBA, he has just always been surrounded by shit teams, especially now in New York.

[Haymaker]

I agree with the Drexler comparison. Melo's the kind of star that will always fall short of delivering because he lacks that extra "gene" that, for example, Hakeem had and Drexler lacked. Even so, at least Drexler took his team to the finals on two occasions, Melo can't seem to get past the 2nd round nowadays. You can't score your way through the playoffs, the game is about much more than that.

[bagelred]

An article ripping on Carmelo Anthony? Wow, now that's original. We've never heard that before.


But I will say Melo is back to his old self this season. He never passes the ball, always goes iso, and takes the worst contested shots, and just keeps shooting.

[tontoz]

Drexler is a bad comparison. Drexler was never a selfish chucker like Melo. The only thing that kept him from winning a title in Portland was MJ.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The last Piston champion really should have ended the myth that you can't win a championship with ____ as your best player. Because now we can always ask, "Which Piston was better?"

I don't like Anthony's current approach to the game because he seems to have stretches of the game where he gets the ball every possession and shoots it every time they give it to him. That kind of play does reduce the value of the players around him and if he's not hot it puts the Knicks into a hole. But I don't believe he's just a sociopathic ballplayer that can't change. His coaching staff just has to sell him on the value of ball movement. I don't recall him being this bad with the ballhogging in Denver. I do however recall Woodson's Hawks looking like 5 different guys playing 1-on-1. I believe he brought that same approach to offense to NY and when you tell a guy like Anthony to take an aggressive approach to attacking his man this is what you get.

They should at least run some plays to create mismatches for him. I haven't watched every Knick game but what I have seen is a lot of getting the ball to Melo as soon as possible and accepting whatever he produces. That will probably get them to the playoffs but it will not lead them past any good teams. As of right now I see NY as a first round exit.

[el gringos]

An article ripping on Carmelo Anthony? Wow, now that's original. We've never heard that before.


But I will say Melo is back to his old self this season. He never passes the ball, always goes iso, and takes the worst contested shots, and just keeps shooting.
Coming off the rockets game when he took 1 bad shot the entire game?

Playing w Felton, chandler, and shumpert forces him to iso from the perimeter is much different than how he played and will play with Bargnani and jr on the floor with him. Outside of Felton the rockets game was the best example of team offense the Knicks have put forth.

Of course it will take more than one game but you will notice a huge difference in Carmelo's game when he gets the ball at the elbow or baseline as opposed to him trying to create from behind the 3 point line.

[Nick Young]

I agree with the Drexler comparison. Melo's the kind of star that will always fall short of delivering because he lacks that extra "gene" that, for example, Hakeem had and Drexler lacked. Even so, at least Drexler took his team to the finals on two occasions, Melo can't seem to get past the 2nd round nowadays. You can't score your way through the playoffs, the game is about much more than that.
Did you forget his year in Syracuse when he lead them to the national title as the only good player on the team?

Melo has the winning gene. He has just never played with a winning NBA coach and been surrounded by winning teammates.

[To4]

Knicks Melo needs to go back to being the thin Denver Melo..

[niko]

This is unfair. Let's take your favorite player, go to exec's, say "why don't you think he's a winner" and then print the comments of the worst one's. Did they go to 30 exec's and everyone said this? And it's Broussard? Are these real people? I'm not even joking, are these real people?

Let's take a sample size, ask a negative question, then print the answer to bash Melo.

[nathanjizzle]

Water is wet and Derrick Rose is socially awkward.

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[La Frescobaldi]

maybe i shoulda been a gm. From last season, but I've been saying it since he was in Denver: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=299859&page=2
Re: This board refuses to respect Carmelo Anthony

for my part, you are correct.
No respect for a player who deliberately tanked games to get rid of a rival for glory in Lin; who couldn't adjust to a coach in Denver and created animosity, then went to New York and created animosity to get rid of a coach he didn't like; no respect for a player who lives and dies for boring@ss destructive hero ball; who throws his team out of rhythm so bad that they just lurch painfully through games like a junior high marching band; who seldom plays defense.

Respect is reserved for guys like Havlicek or Erving or Bird, Tim Duncan or LaMarcus Aldridge or Paul George - players that bring it for their team, not just for their own glory.

Paul George is a better defender. But he does less for his team than Anthony does for his.

He is worth far more to the Pacers than Anthony is to the Knicks..... It's pretty simple.
PG plays both ends of the court and Anthony doesn't.
PG plays within the team offense; Anthony IS the offense.
PG defends the main scorers; Anthony defends the spot he is standing on.

how many times must I pay the troll toll? Anthony being the team offense vs PG playing within the offense means that Anthony does more. Anthony has held West to pretty bad totals this series, he is one of the main scorers, no?

you are far too selective for me.
Why do you ignore the Murder of Linsanity? Coaches with enormous problems because of Anthony? Lack of defensive effort?
It's been known world-wide since the mid-sixties that one player carrying his team offensively is a blind alley.

[La Frescobaldi]

Carmelo Anthony is the modern day Elvin Hayes. Unstoppable on offense, seldom bothers to play defense, and coaches despise him for his ballhoggery and lack of team play.

[HurricaneKid]

Did you forget his year in Syracuse when he lead them to the national title as the only good player on the team?


Hakim Warrick and Gerry McNamara would like to have a word with you.

[Human Error]

The problem is Carmelo himself and his fans think he is every bit as good as Lebron James when in reality he is an inefficient volume scorer who would not make the team win the title as the team's best player.

[STATUTORY]

But I will say Melo is back to his old self this season. He never passes the ball, always goes iso, and takes the worst contested shots, and just keeps shooting.

So you are saying Knicks basketball is BACK?!

[Nick Young]

Hakim Warrick and Gerry McNamara would like to have a word with you.
I said good players doe.

[Horde of Temujin]

Carmelo needs to be surrounded with defense minded players who will pass him the ball and move out of the way, grab rebounds, and compensate for his defense.

[FLDFSU]

At least Melo didn't have to take 2 weeks off after a lockout to get in game shape as Dirk did in 2011. I have never seen anyone get a pass like that in my life.

Could you imagine the sh*t storm Lebron would get for admitting he was not in shape and needing 2 weeks to exercise after his first or second championship? And then not following it up with getting bounced in the first round/missing the playoffs the next year?

If Melo were to win a Championship in the manner Dirk did, had a lockout, and STILL came into the season out of shape, what would the reaction be?

[el gringos]

Carmelo needs to be surrounded with defense minded players who will pass him the ball and move out of the way, grab rebounds, and compensate for his defense.
This shows no understanding of the game of basketball. That has been tried and it leads to iso from the 3 point line= in efficient chucking. Why is that what you would want from him.

He really needs surrounded by shooters to allow him to play in space closer to the basket.

Carmelo is a terrible defender is a myth being spread by people who can't tell one way or the other with their own eyes and read ish to gain basketball knowledge

[salwan]

melo could win a ring as the 1st scoring option on his team, but he would need to be surrounded by great defenders, a good playmaker, some shooters and a 2nd scorer off the bench. basically, he would need to be put in the perfect position to win.

he's not as good as some of the greats, who could do it all. he can 'only' score at an elite level and also rebound well for his position. he doesn't make his teammates better, he can't pick up the best opposition player and lock him down with his defense. In contrary, he forces things too much and is not a team player.

[imdaman99]

Let's give him Wade and Bosh. Let's see if he can get far with that team. Oh wait, ISH will have you believe they would lose in the 1st round :roll:

Let's give him Westbrook and see how far he goes. Oh wait, ISH will have you believe that 2 chuckers will lose by the 2nd round :roll:

Let's give him Parker and Ginobli. Oh wait, ISH will have you believe that those other 2 could not develop with Melo taking all the shots :roll:

Let' give him prime Gasol. Oh wait, ISH will have you believe that Melo already had prime Gasol when he had Nene :roll:

Let's give Kobe, Lebron, Durant, Duncan... JR Smith as their 2nd option. OH WAIT, ISH WILL HAVE YOU BELIEVE THEY ALL FIND A WAY TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP. BECAUSE THEY WILL TURN JR INTO HIGH IQ MAGICALLY :rockon:

I'm not that big on Melo. But he is on the Knicks. And I will defend him when outsiders do nothing but talk shit about him. He may not be a great teammate, but that is not your concern. Does ISH crave a championship in NYC? Ok than.

[VIntageNOvel]

Let's give him Wade and Bosh. Let's see if he can get far with that team. Oh wait, ISH will have you believe they would lose in the 1st round :roll:

Let's give him Westbrook and see how far he goes. Oh wait, ISH will have you believe that 2 chuckers will lose by the 2nd round :roll:

Let's give him Parker and Ginobli. Oh wait, ISH will have you believe that those other 2 could not develop with Melo taking all the shots :roll:

Let' give him prime Gasol. Oh wait, ISH will have you believe that Melo already had prime Gasol when he had Nene :roll:

Let's give Kobe, Lebron, Durant, Duncan... JR Smith as their 2nd option. OH WAIT, ISH WILL HAVE YOU BELIEVE THEY ALL FIND A WAY TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP. BECAUSE THEY WILL TURN JR INTO HIGH IQ MAGICALLY :rockon:

I'm not that big on Melo. But he is on the Knicks. And I will defend him when outsiders do nothing but talk shit about him. He may not be a great teammate, but that is not your concern. Does ISH crave a championship in NYC? Ok than.


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Melo and K Love got seriously underrated here,

it just happened that melo jump to the wrong ship with shitty captain and leonardo dicaprio in it, where lebron choose the right one

[Element]

WTF has anyone watched him this season? I watched all of the Knicks games except for the win against ATL. He hasn't been selfish at all and has rarely been out of place defensively. Oftentimes he's even covering up for botched rotations by other teammates, especially when closing out to 3pt shooters- What is he supposed to do? Become Tyson on the defensive end and protect the rim?

He was in a funk early but his struggles seem to have stopped. The one thing that's bothering me is that he gets hacked badly under basket without getting the calls.

[Horde of Temujin]

This shows no understanding of the game of basketball. That has been tried and it leads to iso from the 3 point line= in efficient chucking. Why is that what you would want from him.

He really needs surrounded by shooters to allow him to play in space closer to the basket.

Carmelo is a terrible defender is a myth being spread by people who can't tell one way or the other with their own eyes and read ish to gain basketball knowledge

Chill out.


Melo is a chucker. It is known.

[La Frescobaldi]

This shows no understanding of the game of basketball. That has been tried and it leads to iso from the 3 point line= in efficient chucking. Why is that what you would want from him.

He really needs surrounded by shooters to allow him to play in space closer to the basket.

Carmelo is a terrible defender is a myth being spread by people who can't tell one way or the other with their own eyes and read ish to gain basketball knowledge
Come on man...... this is pretty much a good explanation of anthony right here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i0vutzN6oo

All the things they talk about in the youtube movie... are exactly what you see every Knicks game.

[Element]

Come on man...... this is pretty much a good explanation of anthony right here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i0vutzN6oo

All the things they talk about in the youtube movie... are exactly what you see every Knicks game.

lmfao a video of the 2011-2012 Knicks were Melo was injured basically 70% of the season and had to play point forward under Dumbtoni

This was back when LeBron had 0 rings to give you some perspective

[RRR3]

Let's give him Wade and Bosh. He'd do much worse than LBJ has done. I'd like to see how he does with the legendary 15 PPG on 45% Wade and 12 PPG on 45% Bosh in last year's playoffs. Let's see if he can get far with that team. Oh wait, ISH will have you believe they would lose in the 1st round :roll:

Let's give him Westbrook and see how far he goes. Not as far as Durant.Oh wait, ISH will have you believe that 2 chuckers will lose by the 2nd round :roll:

Let's give him Parker and Ginobli. Yeah because he could come close to what Duncan didOh wait, ISH will have you believe that those other 2 could not develop with Melo taking all the shots :roll:

Let' give him prime Gasol. Not as far as Kobe.Oh wait, ISH will have you believe that Melo already had prime Gasol when he had Nene :roll:

Let's give Kobe, Lebron, Durant, Duncan... JR Smith as their 2nd option. OH WAIT, ISH WILL HAVE YOU BELIEVE THEY ALL FIND A WAY TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP. BECAUSE THEY WILL TURN JR INTO HIGH IQ MAGICALLY :rockon:

I'm not that big on Melo. But he is on the Knicks. And I will defend him when outsiders do nothing but talk shit about him. He may not be a great teammate, but that is not your concern. Does ISH crave a championship in NYC? Ok than.
Carmelo is a great player, future HOFer and all that, but all the players you mentioned are just better players than he ever has been, regardless of teammates.

[jlip]

Drexler is a bad comparison. Drexler was never a selfish chucker like Melo. The only thing that kept him from winning a title in Portland was MJ.

I guess the 1990 Finals and 1991 WCF when Drexler had good enough help just don't count then.

[La Frescobaldi]

lmfao a video of the 2011-2012 Knicks were Melo was injured basically 70% of the season and had to play point forward under Dumbtoni

This was back when LeBron had 0 rings to give you some perspective
hasn't changed much if at all

[AngelEyes]

I said good players doe.

Hakim Warrick was definitely a good player. He was actually a terrific college player. McNamara was ok, his field goal percentages were horrendous.

[ProfessorMurder]

Drexler is a bad comparison. Drexler was never a selfish chucker like Melo. The only thing that kept him from winning a title in Portland was MJ.

This. That's a bogus comparison, Drexler was sick and had a great team... Just not the best team. Going to the finals twice as THE MAN but losing to the Bad Boys and Peak MJ is nothing to sneeze at... Then he went to the finals twice more and won two as the 2nd best player.

[AngelEyes]

This. That's a bogus comparison, Drexler was sick and had a great team... Just not the best team. Going to the finals twice as THE MAN but losing to the Bad Boys and Peak MJ is nothing to sneeze at... Then he went to the finals twice more and won two as the 2nd best player.

He actually wasn't on the 94' Rockets. I believe he was traded during the 94-95 season for Otis Thorpe.

[Scholar]

Well, the execs aren't entirely wrong. Carmelo is like a street baller at a park who thinks he can do it by himself instead of playing with the flow of the team.
It's a shame. He's one of my favorite players in the NBA. I just don't see him succeeding if he stays the way he is.
If he could just manage to be more of a ball handler than an isolation guy, he'd be an MVP candidate every year.

[secund2nun]

Carmelo is really overrated. His scoring is not impressive. Anyone can average that many PPG if they took so many shots per game.

[Element]

Well, the execs aren't entirely wrong. Carmelo is like a street baller at a park who thinks he can do it by himself instead of playing with the flow of the team.
It's a shame. He's one of my favorite players in the NBA. I just don't see him succeeding if he stays the way he is.
If he could just manage to be more of a ball handler than an isolation guy, he'd be an MVP candidate every year.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

For someone who's calling himself Scholar your knowledge of his play seems pretty Elementary

Show me the games this season Melo forced the issue to an unhealthy extent in this season...even that Bobcats game that they lost where he ended up 10-28 a lot of his shots went in-and-out and he got the ball 22 ft out with 5 seconds on the shot clock

[La Frescobaldi]

Carmelo is really overrated. His scoring is not impressive. Anyone can average that many PPG if they took so many shots per game.
well........ you mean anyone in the NBA or close to it (which I disagree with that idea completely. Anthony is amazing in 1on1 situations).

I was playin hoops in a schoolyard with a bunch of guys and a dude named Kevin Loughery showed up. Played for the Bullets back in the day. I doubt severely he was ever an All-Star but he was real solid guard, got 18 or maybe 20ppg each season, & had a long career, like 10 or 12 seasons. What they call Kiki jab-step today, he had a similar move tho not refined like Vandewegh had of course. Kiki is vastly underrated.
Anyhow, we had some guys playing college ball on that court, and of course there were high school stars and so forth. Nobody could get a shot off on Loughery not even close. Not even a chuck got past him. We might as well have been triple teamed, same effect.
Well with guys like Earl Monroe or Connie Hawkins you would expect them to do that stuff. Lots of guys would walk off the court and just watch rather than be embarrassed so bad. But Loughery was a solid role playing NBA guy, his legs were long since gone bad, and yet here he was, light years beyond all of us.

[BallsOut]

Come to LA and be the beta to Kobe's alpha, the Drexler to Kobe's Hakeem :lol

[Horde of Temujin]

Come to LA and be the beta to Kobe's alpha, the Drexler to Kobe's Hakeem :lol

How much chuck would a chucker chuck if a chucker is chucking with another chucker who chucks like he just dont give a f#ck?

[tontoz]

I guess the 1990 Finals and 1991 WCF when Drexler had good enough help just don't count then.


In the 1990 Finals Drexler averaged 26/8/6 shooting 54% against Dumars, the guy Jordan said was the best man defender he faced. That was also the team that kept beating the Bulls in the playoffs.

It isn't Drexler's fault that Isiah nuked Terry Porter.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I'm convinced nobody has watched him play these year aside from Knick fans.

Everybody else basin their opinion on.. I don't even know.

I've been IMPRESSED with Melos D & hustle so far this year and his rebounding. If he mantain all of that, when his offense comes around he should be better than ever.

Worse things were said about Dirk pre 2011. Hell after 07 nobody took him seriously, and now he's a "top 20-30" player all time.

[tontoz]

I'm convinced nobody has watched him play these year aside from Knick fans.

Everybody else basin their opinion on.. I don't even know.

I've been IMPRESSED with Melos D & hustle so far this year and his rebounding. If he mantain all of that, when his offense comes around he should be better than ever.

Worse things were said about Dirk pre 2011. Hell after 07 nobody took him seriously, and now he's a "top 20-30" player all time.



They are probably basing their opinions on the 779 games he played before this season.

[ProfessorMurder]

He actually wasn't on the 94' Rockets. I believe he was traded during the 94-95 season for Otis Thorpe.
:hammerhead: My bad. Point still stands though.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

First exec is JR smith.

[TheMarkMadsen]

They are probably basing their opinions on the 779 games he played before this season.

Well then apparently they missed last season when he was on fire for the first half of the season and an MVP candidate leading the Knicks to a 2nd place finish in the east.

If Melo had a Center like Hibbert who is an elite rim protector and is actually worth a dime on offense, David West down low as well, (David West next to Melo would be an ideal fit) along with the defensive, less ignorant version of Jr Smith in Lance Stephenson & Luis Scoal coming of the bench I think Melo would have a better chance than playing with Jr Smith as his second option.

How is he supposed to take his team to the finals when his 2nd option is considerably worse than the two best teams in the East 3rd option?

He's never missed the playoffs, and when he was finally given something to work with he led that team to the WCF puttin up 27/6/4 2 steals on 45% and lost to the eventual champion Lakers..


His last game he put up 45/10/4 on 57% and his team still lost..

[sundizz]

Well then apparently they missed last season when he was on fire for the first half of the season and an MVP candidate leading the Knicks to a 2nd place finish in the east.

If Melo had a Center like Hibbert who is an elite rim protector and is actually worth a dime on offense, David West down low as well, (David West next to Melo would be an ideal fit) along with the defensive, less ignorant version of Jr Smith in Lance Stephenson & Luis Scoal coming of the bench I think Melo would have a better chance than playing with Jr Smith as his second option.

How is he supposed to take his team to the finals when his 2nd option is considerably worse than the two best teams in the East 3rd option?

He's never missed the playoffs, and when he was finally given something to work with he led that team to the WCF puttin up 27/6/4 2 steals on 45% and lost to the eventual champion Lakers..


His last game he put up 45/10/4 on 57% and his team still lost..

It is hella true though. If you switched Paul George and Carmelo the Pacers would be as good, if not better. Carmelo did alright with a semi decently good team in Denver that one year. His problem is that he doesn't know how to find good players to play with. He always has a bunch of old, or useless knuckleheads as his players. Any team that has to rely on J.R Smith is not going anywhere ever.

[TheMarkMadsen]

It is hella true though. If you switched Paul George and Carmelo the Pacers would be as good, if not better. Carmelo did alright with a semi decently good team in Denver that one year. His problem is that he doesn't know how to find good players to play with. He always has a bunch of old, or useless knuckleheads as his players. Any team that has to rely on J.R Smith is not going anywhere ever.

This this and more this.

Dude is just too inconsistent and isn't good enough in any other areas to make up for it.

[Hoopz2332]

George karl called Carmelo selfish earlier on NBA Fastbreak:biggums: