11/16/13 GT: Cavs @ Wizards

[MP.Trey]

Both teams off to very underwhelming starts, let's see who can turn it around a little tonight.

Cavs are aggressive early, getting to line.

[Meticode]

The offensive whoas continue. 18-25 Wizards after one quarter. The Wizard turn the ball over with 4 seconds left in the quarter because Rice Jr. steps out of bounds. Sow hat do we do? We inbound the ball and throw the ball cross court with 4 seconds left on the clock and it gets picked off for the alley-oop dunk with 0.4 left on the clock for Vesley.

:applause: That Mike Brown offense. Another game with 80 points or less?

[MP.Trey]

And just like every quarter this season so far it seems, we play good/competitive for the first 6-8 minutes then give up a run at the end of quarter that completely negates everything we did before it.

Oh well, Bynum looking good.

[Uncle Drew]

Can't wait to see Wiggins in a Cavs jersey....

[CavaliersFTW]

Cavs make me sick this season. We have done nothing but play worse than the sum of our parts all season, even our 3 wins were unimpressive relative to the talent on our roster.

Fire. Mike. Brown.

[CavaliersFTW]

Cavs look like absolute ass on offense - my rec league team runs better plays. This is absolutely ridiculous.

[Uncle Drew]

Our best player has two field goal attempts in 15 mins.

[Uncle Drew]

And just like that, it's a five point game. Mike Brown = CotY. Never had a doubt! :rockon:

[Meticode]

And just like that, it's a five point game. Mike Brown = CotY. Never had a doubt! :rockon:
Because Irving gets hot, not because they run any sort of sustainable offense.

[MP.Trey]

And just like that, it's a five point game. Mike Brown = CotY. Never had a doubt! :rockon:
:lol

[Uncle Drew]

What is going on. :wtf:

[MP.Trey]

We actually look inspired out there coming out of the half. :eek:

EDIT: I knew it wouldn't last. TT looking good tho.

[CavaliersFTW]

What is going on. :wtf:
Same shit different day :confusedshrug:

[Uncle Drew]

Cavs have all the momentum. Jarret Jack checks in.

http://empireminecraft.com/attachments/and-its-gone-jpg.7388/

[MP.Trey]

And just like every quarter this season so far it seems, we play good/competitive for the first 6-8 minutes then give up a run at the end of quarter that completely negates everything we did before it.
...

[Meticode]

Not much to comment on here. Same shit so far this season.

[MP.Trey]

Why is Mike Brown running a three guard set with Delladova, Jack and Irving in the fourth quarter?

I guess we're + rather than - so far, but I don't like the looks of that lineup out there.

[Uncle Drew]

Tie game. :roll: The Wizards are in big trouble.

[mugiwara]

Cavs have all the momentum. Jarret Jack checks in.

http://empireminecraft.com/attachments/and-its-gone-jpg.7388/

Jarrett Jack helping the Dubs is a myth, his incredible mid range game was washed by inability to find the big man rolling to the hoop and his poor defensive skills.

He also completely jinxed Anthony Benett by forcing the ball to him every possession, he needed to let the game come to him.

Jarrett Jack is a good leader but is to Jack Jarrett for it to be worth while.

[CavaliersFTW]

If Wizards lose to the Cavs, I feel embarrassed for them. Because the Cavs are the worst team in the league right now.

[MP.Trey]

Earl Clark finally playing a good game.

[CavaliersFTW]

Cavs literally look for a prayer every time they are on the offensive end. Zero structure. Everyone stands around while the guy with the ball gets pressed and is in a state of absolute panic. Embarrassing to see this type of 'offense' night in and night out at the NBA level. This is the same sh*t that was wrong with the 'Lebron era' Cavs. Mike Brown didn't give a damn about fixing it then, and he certainly won't do it now. He needs to be fired.

[Meticode]

Cavs literally look for a prayer every time they are on the offensive end. Zero structure. Everyone stands around while the guy with the ball gets pressed and is in a state of absolute panic. Embarrassing to see this type of 'offense' night in and night out at the NBA level. This is the same sh*t that was wrong with the 'Lebron era' Cavs. Mike Brown didn't give a damn about fixing it then, and he certainly won't do it now. He needs to be fired.
This is exactly what I brought up to RBA when he said Mike Brown can't effect the team doing this badly...


Doesn't do anything positive when the team wins. Is the sole reason for the team looking terrible.

Makes sense.
Because he's not an OFFENSIVE coach. You can play and coach all the ****ing defense you want, but unless you have a player like LeBron James making plays out of nothing or a good offensive system set in place you're not going to win any games.

Are the Cavs missing shots? Yes, but the shots they're taking isn't in any set system. It's like a bail out like "Oh shit, there's 5 seconds left, I have to jack this up." this is what half of their shots look like.

You're defense of Mike Brown frustrates me.He didn't work the first time with the best player in the world, got fired. Didn't work in L.A. and then Gilbert hires him back to what?...fire him again?

[MP.Trey]

Seriously, why the f*ck is Mike Brown STILL running a three guard set with Delladova, Jack and Irving in the fourth quarter?

[Uncle Drew]

Yes, let's not play our best player in the 4th at all. :applause:

[Meticode]

Seriously, why the f*ck is Mike Brown STILL running a three guard set with Delladova, Jack and Irving in the fourth quarter?
Oh, but RBA will say no NBA coach can make a team look this bad. Well, when you got a lineup for Varejao, Clark, Dellavadova, Jack and Irving out there.

Is Miles injured or what? I haven't seen him in the second half. He hit some shots in the first half...

[CavaliersFTW]

Seriously, why the f*ck is Mike Brown STILL running a three guard set with Delladova, Jack and Irving in the fourth quarter?
He's 'experimenting'. It's his "safecracker" offense. (rolling the dice on lineups hoping the players will miraculously click and score points if he finds the right combination).

Because actually running some plays would go over his head, so this is how he coaches offense. Common sense hasn't given him the memo that he has a greater chance of being struck by lightning than witnessing a miraculous click on offense by just randomly selecting players off the bench to play minutes.

[MP.Trey]

Yes, let's not play our best player in the 4th at all.
He's got Earl Clark playing PF down there getting abused by Nene and we're getting beat on the boards as well. But since Clark hit a couple threes earlier, he refuses to take him out til we're down 4, rather then when we had momentum.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

LOL wtf was that

[Meticode]

:roll: Jack passes the ball to Irving and he's not looking for it as he crosses half court and it bounces off him out of bounds.

[MP.Trey]

IT will be a miracle if we win this game.

[Uncle Drew]

Please, give Delly all the minutes Jack gets.

[Meticode]

Please, give Delly all the minutes Jack gets.
I so want to see Jack's shot chart this year. I want to see all the reds from 15-19 feet.

[Uncle Drew]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[MP.Trey]

:roll: These teams man, I swear.

[Meticode]

This Irving one on one shit isn't going to win basketball games in the long run. Maybe tonight for all I know, but it's so ugly.

[rknine15]

omg beal

[Young X]

:roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

Fear not Cavs fans, our coach will run our guys a play to increase our odds of sealing the victory!





























...oh wait :facepalm

[rknine15]

Nene going to the line :(

[Meticode]

Well, last 24 seconds. Pretty sure I'm going to see Irving 1-on-1. Reminds me of the Cavaliers 5+ years ago.

[CavaliersFTW]

Mike Brown playing tic tac toe with that playboard. Cause I KNOW he's not writing up a play.

[Uncle Drew]

We're actually going to win this. :lol Yes, I'm jinxing it.

[Uncle Drew]

Kyrie iso, here we go. :rockon:

[rknine15]

another ot game for the wiz or a very sad L

[MP.Trey]

We're actually going to win this. :lol Yes, I'm jinxing it.
If we do, it will probably be in Philly fashion. Having multiple chances to close out the game, but not winning until 2OT.

EDIT: Or we'll just give up a wide open shot on this inbound after another Kyrie turnover. :facepalm

[Uncle Drew]

:facepalm

[Meticode]

Yep, expected.

[tontoz]

Nice job Temple. :facepalm

[CavaliersFTW]

DEAR MIKE BROWN - DRIBBLING THE BALL AT THE TOP OF THE PERIMETER PLAYING 1 ON 5 IS NOT A REAL BASKETBALL PLAY, AND IT NEVER HAS BEEN


:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[MP.Trey]

Nene for 3 :lol

[Uncle Drew]

Kyrie iso isn't working. Try a Bynum or TT iso for a 3pt shot instead.

[Brokenbeat]

Nene for 3 :lol


So close...

[Meticode]

Even if we would win the game I'm not happy with the game at all. It's nothing to build on to go forward. It's the same shit. Watch Irving do it all on his own, to the point he turns the ball over when it matters most.

[Uncle Drew]

Kyrie has 39. :oldlol: How?!

[EnoughSaid]

Kyrie Irvingggggg. One of the good things about living in Ohio is getting the channel and watching this man. :applause:

[MP.Trey]

Kyrie has 39. :oldlol: How?!
He is the offense tonight, how does he not have more? :lol

[Meticode]

Well, I wasn't expecting to be in this game when Dellavadvoa playing majority of the 4th quarter and OT. :oldlol:

[KOBEtherealKing]

Why does wall and Irving both have a black eye?

[MP.Trey]

Why does wall and Irving both have a black eye?
Fist fight in the first quarter. Each player oddly only got a flagrant 1.

[The Big Skinny]

Unbelievable. Wizards are THE worst team inside of 3 mins. How do you lose composure EVERY game. Like EVVVVVERY game. So tough to be a fan of any washington team. They just don't know how to win. Unbelievable.

[CavaliersFTW]

If we win, it is by sheer rotten luck, because the odds will always be stacked heavily against us so long as we run our plays through the 'Mike Brown blender' on offense.

"okay I want you guys to give it to Kyrie at the top of the perimeter and fall back and stand around. Kyrie, pound the ball on the floor a couple of times 40 feet out and let their defense think 'are you ****ing kidding me, are they really this stupid to try and make something out of this?' then make something happen."

http://23.23.168.114/online/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/mike-brown-cavaliers.jpg

[Uncle Drew]

Gortat fading away wide open looks. Lmao.

[MP.Trey]

Well, I wasn't expecting to be in this game when Dellavadvoa playing majority of the 4th quarter and OT. :oldlol:
Me either. Don't know how this is happening. Jarrett Jack has been our SF since the beginning of the 4th quarter. :oldlol:

[Uncle Drew]

Career high booyah

[rknine15]

Unbelievable. Wizards are THE worst team inside of 3 mins. How do you lose composure EVERY game. Like EVVVVVERY game. So tough to be a fan of any washington team. They just don't know how to win. Unbelievable.
:(

[Uncle Drew]

We won. We Won? WE WON.

[Meticode]

:roll: at Jack scoring the bucket with 11 seconds left when they're up by 2+ possessions just to be a dick.

[alenleomessi]

jack stat padding

[MVBallin2K]

Fun game to watch but maybe it's me, wasn't it kind of jerkish for Jack to score instead of running out the clock?

[MP.Trey]

We won. We Won? WE WON.
:party: :party: :party: :hammertime: :hammertime:

FIRST ROAD WIN BABY! WE'RE ON THE WAY TO GREATNESS!

DELLEVADOVA :bowdown: WE ARE NOT WORTHY!!! :bowdown:

[Uncle Drew]

I feel sorry for Wiz' fans. Losing to this Cavs team. :roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

One of the ugliest wins I've ever seen, I'm embarrassed for Mike Brown - he doesn't deserve this win. The players do, great effort by them somehow they managed to score points through his nightmare offense.

[rknine15]

Jack getting to Beals head at the end :(

[tontoz]

Wall showing that he is worth the max. :bowdown:

[Uncle Drew]

One of the ugliest wins I've ever seen, I'm embarrassed for Mike Brown - he doesn't deserve this win. The players do, great effort by them somehow they managed to score points through his nightmare offense.
http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads7/52882c7f462ff/52882c7f3e9cc-Mike-Brown-O.jpg

[RedBlackAttack]

Missed the whole game. Will watch via DVR after work. The board has to wait with baited breath for my reaction until then.

Stay tuned. I'm sure it will be worth the wait.

[CavaliersFTW]

http://www.imgdumper.nl/uploads7/52882c7f462ff/52882c7f3e9cc-Mike-Brown-O.jpg
Thanks, I'm gonna print this out and glue it to my dart board.

[rknine15]

Wall with 12 ast and only 1 turnover, however he wasn't aggressive in the 2nd half and he can't shoot to save his life

[PleezeBelieve]

Missed the whole game. Will watch via DVR after work. The board has to wait with baited breath for my reaction until then.

Stay tuned. I'm sure it will be worth the wait.
Don't hold your breath. Kyrie finally revealed he's way more interested in being a ball hogging AI impersonator rather than a PG who wants to get his teammates involved

[RedBlackAttack]

Thanks, I'm gonna print this out and glue it to my dart board.
Don't let the players off the hook. They've looked horrendous on both ends of the floor in the past few games. Mike Brown isn't out there missing wide open jumpers the way Kyrie has in the last two weeks.

I'm not saying he isn't a part of the current (very early) problems, but I refuse to accept that the players have no culpability. I didn't see tonight's game, like I said... But they've started this season with an aura of entitlement, especially Kyrie.

He isn't good enough to just get by without putting in the work. That's what I see so far this year. He's good.... not that good.

[MP.Trey]

Don't hold your breath. Kyrie finally revealed he's way more interested in being a ball hogging AI impersonator rather than a PG who wants to get his teammates involved
He was shooting the exact same amount of shots this year as he was last year, as well as dropping more assists and the same number of turnovers coming into this game. :confusedshrug:

This one game where his starting backcourt teammate was out, the rest of the team was shooting pretty horribly and Kyrie made half his 28 shots in an OT win is the game that reveals this for you?

[CavaliersFTW]

Don't let the players off the hook. They've looked horrendous on both ends of the floor in the past few games. Mike Brown isn't out there missing wide open jumpers the way Kyrie has in the last two weeks.

I'm not saying he isn't a part of the current (very early) problems, but I refuse to accept that the players have no culpability. I didn't see tonight's game, like I said... But they've started this season with an aura of entitlement, especially Kyrie.

He isn't good enough to just get by without putting in the work. That's what I see so far this year. He's good.... not that good.
I'm sorry but I think that dribbling the ball 40 feet out while 4 teammates stand around with no sense of direction and expecting them all to somehow figure out an attack plan on their own to score points is not their fault, it is Browns. He gives them literally no directions on the offensive end. I'm witnessing the Lebron era all over again in Cleveland, except this time no Lebron-level-talent to bail us out of the ugly directionless offense and give us an inflated regular season.

Mike Brown offense = worse than my rec league team.

[Uncle Drew]

I did not make this up. Mike Brown post game interview:

''I didn't know what I was doing. We just made it up on the fly. *laughs*''

[Meticode]

Don't let the players off the hook. They've looked horrendous on both ends of the floor in the past few games. Mike Brown isn't out there missing wide open jumpers the way Kyrie has in the last two weeks.
When you call a full timeout at the end of a tie game and you sit there and draw up a play for that full timeout, then when it comes time to run the play and you're sitting there thinking "Where is the play developing?" and all Irving is doing is pounding the ball and he drives to his right only to lose the ball with 1 second left you have to wonder what the f*ck Mike Brown was thinking drawing up the play?

[Meticode]

I did not make this up. Mike Brown post game interview:

''I didn't know what I was doing. We just made it up on the fly.''
:roll: I'm laughing so hard right now. Our future with him as coach looks so bleek. "We just made it up on the fly."? LMAO WUT!? :oldlol:

[CavaliersFTW]

I did not make this up. Mike Brown post game interview:

''I didn't know what I was doing. We just made it up on the fly. *laughs*''
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[RedBlackAttack]

I'm sorry but I think that dribbling the ball 40 feet out while 4 teammates stand around with no sense of direction and expecting them all to somehow figure out an attack plan on their own to score points is not their fault, it is Browns. He gives them literally no directions on the offensive end. I'm witnessing the Lebron era all over again in Cleveland, except this time no Lebron-level-talent to bail us out of the ugly directionless offense and give us an inflated regular season.

Mike Brown offense = worse than my rec league team.
That wasn't the offense he ran in LA, though. That team ran a lot of its offense through the low post, which is why Bynum had a career year. They had a pretty damn good season, too, in retrospect... Making the WCF (if memory serves), while Mike D'Antoni looked markedly worse with a similar team.

Also, what you're describing is exactly what Kyrie has been accused of doing in previous seasons. It's just that now there are expectations, whereas the first two years, we expected to start out the season 4-7 or whatever.

I haven't seen tonight's game, so I'll reserve judgement on the coaching at the end of that one, but it sounds to me like the usual "it's all Mike Brown" stuff that we've heard year-after-year. Meanwhile, this is the first time in his career he's started a season this bad.

I'm guessing the players have something to do with that. There is no denying that guys are missing shots they've made in previous years. I fail to see how that's a coaching issue.

I'm not saying that part of the problem isn't Mike Brown's system. I'm saying the players shouldn't be absolved of all responsibility just because the coach is an easy target.

And, btw... That "Mike Brown offense" for LeBron looked pretty similar to what was going on in Miami during his first year. It took James making a concerted effort to change his attack after failing, not just in Cleveland, but in Miami, for that offense to actually start working relatively smoothly.

My biggest criticism of the offense I've seen so far is that they need to play faster... Try to take advantage of the young talent by running by teams before defenses get set.

Again, not giving Brown a pass... just not giving the players a pass, either.

[EnoughSaid]

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:bowdown:

[SpaceJammeR]

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:bowdown:

damn kyrie. soo sick!

[Amare4lyfe]

I didn't watch the game but looking at the stats, what happened to Wall?
I thought he is an elite defender but Irving looked like he can't be stopped.

[Meticode]

I didn't watch the game but looking at the stats, what happened to Wall?
I thought he is an elite defender but Irving looked like he can't be stopped.
It's pretty simple. Irving made his jump-shots. They kept him 20+ feet or further away from the basket the whole game and he got some open looks and made them. There wasn't a ton of baskets of him driving and making layups, I'm going to guess he scored 10 points or less near the paint.

[Meticode]

Also, what you're describing is exactly what Kyrie has been accused of doing in previous seasons. It's just that now there are expectations, whereas the first two years, we expected to start out the season 4-7 or whatever.
This is correct, but I thought getting a new coach (or in this case an old coach) would get us away from that more. I'm sorry, that's not going to win basketball games in the long-term. It is not a formula for winning. If you're going to call a full timeout at the end of the game for the last shot and that play that is ran from that timeout is a ISO for our point guard at the to of the key only to lose the ball with 1 second left and turn it over, we are in dire straits coming up. The identity of the team is suppose to be to play as a team isn't it? We're trying to move away from depending upon one player to save the game (ala, the LeBron era), but we're still doing that. And when it comes down to it at the end there's going to be only two people to blame. Irving because on the nights we play good teams he's not going to be able to do this more times than not, and Mike Brown for allowing it to happen.


I haven't seen tonight's game, so I'll reserve judgement on the coaching at the end of that one, but it sounds to me like the usual "it's all Mike Brown" stuff that we've heard year-after-year. Meanwhile, this is the first time in his career he's started a season this bad.
Meanwhile in the other years he had arguably the best basketball player in the NBA and someone who will likely finish top 10 for his career all-time as player. It's easier to have success when you have someone that dominate offensively like that letting you run whatever non-existent offensive set you want, so you can run whatever damn defense you want because the other team can't stop him. This is not the case here. It just feels like there are no set plays being ran consistently enough to prompt better execution as the season goes on, because we strive away from that all the time during the games and we fall behind and it ends up turning into hot-potato wars and jacking up the shot with 5 seconds or less left on the clock.


I'm guessing the players have something to do with that. There is no denying that guys are missing shots they've made in previous years. I fail to see how that's a coaching issue.
Because I feel there needs to be a rhythm to an offense. There is no rhythm, we look like we have our head cut off running around like chicken half the time.


I'm not saying that part of the problem isn't Mike Brown's system. I'm saying the players shouldn't be absolved of all responsibility just because the coach is an easy target.
It's still early and a ton of things can change, but how long do you let this go? If it's mostly on the players at this point and we get towards the middle of the season do you start looking at the players or do you start looking at the coach?


And, btw... That "Mike Brown offense" for LeBron looked pretty similar to what was going on in Miami during his first year. It took James making a concerted effort to change his attack after failing, not just in Cleveland, but in Miami, for that offense to actually start working relatively smoothly.
And guess what? Even though they ran that Mike Brown offense, and had 2 super-stars and a star in Chris Bosh, the ultimately lost in the Finals to the underdog Mavericks. It didn't work and it usually will not work.


My biggest criticism of the offense I've seen so far is that they need to play faster... Try to take advantage of the young talent by running by teams before defenses get set.

Again, not giving Brown a pass... just not giving the players a pass, either
I'd like to see the offense run too, but I don't think that will ever be part of the offense with Brown there. He's going to want to exert so much energy on defense...