The All "He's Got The Potential (year after year)" Team

[Tarik One]

I am sick and tired of people here propping up Taj Gibson as if he's going to replace Carlos Boozer and ultimately become D. Rose's partner in a 1-2 punch where Taj is putting up 20-10 a game. Don't give me that "He needs more playing time" nonsense either.

He's a serviceable PW off the bench with limited low post game who is pretty good on the boards and that's pretty much it He's not going to emerge into the superstar people hope him to be.

[Johnny Jones]

JaVale McGee

[kamil]

LeBron James has the potential to be the next......... Larry Bird.























































































































I'm just kidding, asterisks don't count.

[InspiredLebowski]

Of all the guys to prompt a shut up about his potential thread, Taj Gibson? The dude's really good, sure maybe people overhype what he'd be able to do as a starter but the guy's pretty damn good. Not like the dude's Anthony Randolph or Tony Mitchell or Jeremy Lamb or Perry Jones or something.

[uoykcuf]

I like men

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[BallsOut]

Of all the guys to prompt a shut up about his potential thread, Taj Gibson? The dude's really good, sure maybe people overhype what he'd be able to do as a starter but the guy's pretty damn good. Not like the dude's Anthony Randolph or Tony Mitchell or Jeremy Lamb or Perry Jones or something.

Randolph has been that guy for years, but I think people finally stopped mentioning his potential as of last season. I don't even know if he's still in the league.

I don't agree with the other guys you listed though. They're too young, all young players with less than 3 years in the league can safely get the potential talk.

[RRR3]

Jeff Green?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Iman Shumpert

[BallsOut]

Jeff Green?

Jeff Green is a good one. Avery Bradley and Iman Shumpert as well.

[RRR3]

Jeff Green is a good one. Avery Bradley and Iman Shumpert as well.
:applause:


Also:


DeMar DeRozan
Michael Beasley




Jimmy Butler maybe if he doesn't start doing better on offense?

[poido123]

I am sick and tired of people here propping up Taj Gibson as if he's going to replace Carlos Boozer and ultimately become D. Rose's partner in a 1-2 punch where Taj is putting up 20-10 a game. Don't give me that "He needs more playing time" nonsense either.

He's a serviceable PW off the bench with limited low post game who is pretty good on the boards and that's pretty much it He's not going to emerge into the superstar people hope him to be.

From what I've seen, he's becoming more consistent and more than capable of replacing Boozer. We already know he is a far better defender...Who here is proclaiming him to be a superstar? Nobody :oldlol:

[mrpibb]

PG: Brandon Jennings
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Tyreke Evans
PF: Demarcus Cousins
C: Dwight Howard

[Phantom_Blue]

Shawne Williams and Gerald Green? Unless they've made some big strides, can't see why teams keep giving them contracts unless it was based on their "potential".

If Derrick Williams doesn't get out of Minny, add him to the list. Thomas Robinson as well.

[RRR3]

From what I've seen, he's becoming more consistent and more than capable of replacing Boozer. We already know he is a far better defender...Who here is proclaiming him to be a superstar? Nobody :oldlol:
Per 36


Boozer: 20.4/9.7/3.3/0.5/0.7 on .573/-/.909

Taj Gibson: 13.4/8.8/1.2/0.6/2.1 on .466/-/.647

[RRR3]

PG: Brandon Jennings
SG: Demar Derozan
SF: Tyreke Evans
PF: Demarcus Cousins
C: Dwight Howard
Dwight Howard is a first ballot hall of famer, FOH

[mrpibb]

Per 36


Boozer: 20.4/9.7/3.3/0.5/0.7 on .573/-/.909

Taj Gibson: 13.4/8.8/1.2/0.6/2.1 on .466/-/.647

The defensive impact is missing in those numbers.


Dwight Howard is a first ballot hall of famer, FOH

Uh, no.

[RRR3]

The defensive impact is missing in those numbers.



Uh, no.
The bulls starting lineup needs more defense, that's what they're missing :rolleyes:


Uh, yes. Are you ****ing serious?

[mrpibb]

The bulls starting lineup needs more defense, that's what they're missing :rolleyes:


Uh, yes. Are you ****ing serious?

I'm not saying Gibson is better than Boozer. I'm saying the offensive numbers don't tell the whole story and can't be used as the sole point of a comparison.

I'd like to hear Dwight's case for a first ballot hall of fame selection. Go ahead.

[andremiller07]

Kantar

[redboy]

Iman Shumpert
Nicholas Batum
Jeff Green
Derrick Favors

GMs must love these guys because of their trade value. They have such high value on the market yet they don't produce up to expectations. The smart thing to do would be to trade them since you just know that they're going to be overpaid in one way or another.

[mrpibb]

Kantar

I was thinking about this, but this is his first year starting, and you can't say he's done poorly. The team isn't winning, but the numbers are fine. He needs to improve his defensive rebounding. That's the outstanding issue.


Iman Shumpert
Nicholas Batum
Jeff Green
Derrick Favors

GMs must love these guys because of their trade value. They have such high value on the market yet they don't produce up to expectations. The smart thing to do would be to trade them since you just know that they're going to be overpaid in one way or another.

Have you even looked at Favors's numbers this year? Have you seen him play this year?

[andremiller07]

I was thinking about this, but this is his first year starting, and you can't say he's done poorly. The team isn't winning, but the numbers are fine.



Have you even looked at Favors's numbers this year?
I like what I see from Favors, Kantar been solid so far.

[RRR3]

I'm not saying Gibson is better than Boozer. I'm saying the offensive numbers don't tell the whole story and can't be used as the sole point of a comparison.

I'd like to hear Dwight's case for a first ballot hall of fame selection. Go ahead.
Career averages of 18.2/13 on 58%, 7x (8x soon) all-star, 3x DPOY, 5x All-NBA (1st), 2x All-NBA (3rd), 4x All-Defensive (1st), 1x All-Defensive (2nd), 4x top 5 in MVP voting (2nd in 2011), career playoff averages of 20/14 on 60% shooting (61 playoff games), led Magic to finals in 09, 5th in NBA history in FG%, 11th in NBA history in RPG, 18th in NBA history in BPG, Gold Medalist in 2008.


Stats: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howardw01.html

[InspiredLebowski]

The defensive impact is missing in those numbers.Probably big time. I'm not gonna look it up, and if somebody does maybe I'll be surprised, but Chicago's starters with Taj in place of Boozer has to be a big positive difference. Not for this year, since Gibson got drafted.

I laughed at that deal Chicago gave Gibson when it first happened, but it's below market now. I have no doubt someone would give him 10+ now.

Also, damn, Gibson's already 28?

[mrpibb]

Career averages of 18.2/13 on 58%, 7x (8x soon) all-star, 3x DPOY, 5x All-NBA (1st), 2x All-NBA (3rd), 4x All-Defensive (1st), 1x All-Defensive (2nd), 4x top 5 in MVP voting (2nd in 2011), career playoff averages of 20/14 on 60% shooting (61 playoff games), led Magic to finals in 09, 5th in NBA history in FG%, 11th in NBA history in RPG, 18th in NBA history in BPG, Gold Medalist in 2008.


Stats: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howardw01.html

How has his prime been? Has he done anything with it? Those are great statistics, but I don't think that's enough to get in first-ballot in light of the lack of winning.

But the point of the thread is also to point out players that never live up to their expectations. Dwight fits the bill perfectly. If you'd like another center, I'll give you Brook Lopez.

[InspiredLebowski]

Iman Shumpert
Nicholas Batum
Jeff Green
Derrick Favors

GMs must love these guys because of their trade value. They have such high value on the market yet they don't produce up to expectations. The smart thing to do would be to trade them since you just know that they're going to be overpaid in one way or another.Batum being a blue chip trade piece died with that extension. Not that he isn't a nice player, but feels like he's plateaued.

[poido123]

Per 36


Boozer: 20.4/9.7/3.3/0.5/0.7 on .573/-/.909

Taj Gibson: 13.4/8.8/1.2/0.6/2.1 on .466/-/.647


Thanks for educating me on fantasy numbers, but that means jackshit when we are talking about a player's impact on the game.

[RRR3]

Thanks for educating me on fantasy numbers, but that means jackshit when we are talking about a player's impact on the game.
You need Boozer in the starting lineup, Rose needs some offensive support.

[moe94]

How has his prime been? Has he done anything with it? Those are great statistics, but I don't think that's enough to get in first-ballot in light of the lack of winning.

Are you absolutely retarded? Howard has multiple first team selections and has defensive ratings that are as high as any player ever had. If you think "winning" is stopping his resume from getting first ballot HoF, you're deluded. If you said this shit while he was still on the Magic and this new image of him wasn't so omnipresent, you'd be laughed out the building. Guess what? I'm stilling laughing at you.

[redboy]

Batum being a blue chip trade piece died with that extension. Not that he isn't a nice player, but feels like he's plateaued.See, that's what I don't get. Why do GMs feel the need to overpay good but not great players? In the end, Lillard and Aldridge are still going to be the cornerstones of the team and if they want to make any noise in the west, they're going to have to add more talent. They shouldn't be trying to get rid of their financial flexibility; the team needs to find a way to add the pieces needed in the next 2-3 years while Aldridge is still in his prime.

[InspiredLebowski]

See, that's what I don't get. Why do GMs feel the need to overpay good but not great players? In the end, Lillard and Aldridge are still going to be the cornerstones of the team and if they want to make any noise in the west, they're going to have to add more talent. They shouldn't be trying to get rid of their financial flexibility; the team needs to find a way to add the pieces needed in the next 2-3 years while Aldridge is still in his prime.You're overstating it. Batum's on a completely fair deal. He's just getting paid what he's actually worth now. It's like George Hill. The amount of Pacers fans that want to dump him and his solid market rate contract is annoying. Guys get paid after their rookie deal.

There's PLENTY of GMs that would line up to take either of those guys in a salary dump. But once they start getting paid what they're actually worth their value becomes 1:1 instead of like 3:1, probably higher.

[redboy]

You're overstating it. Batum's on a completely fair deal. He's just getting paid what he's actually worth now. It's like George Hill. The amount of Pacers fans that want to dump him and his solid market rate contract is annoying. Guys get paid after their rookie deal.

There's PLENTY of GMs that would line up to take either of those guys in a salary dump. But once they start getting paid what they're actually worth their value becomes 1:1 instead of like 3:1, probably higher.George Hill is definitely the weakest link in Indiana's starting 5 and he's being paid 8 million. I would hardly call his value 1:1 since his production doesn't seem like it would be that hard to replace. However, Indiana is a small team and I doubt free agents are exactly lining up to go play there so I do see your point.

I guess I overstated Batum's contract though. 11 million for a 2 sided player is not bad at all.

[Tking714]

still waiting for Tyrus Thomas to do something

[Nick Young]

I remember a few years ago Roddy Beaubois was untradeable and Mavs fans were calling him the future of the franchise after Dirk left.

[AintNoSunshine]

Dwight has to be on there, for so many years we just assumed he would have developed some kind of post moves but he never did

[Purch]

Kantar
Et Tu, Andre?::coleman:

[alexd]

Dwight Howard is a first ballot hall of famer, FOH
why would he be first ballot?if he ll be one then HOF is a joke

[CelticBaller]

Avery Bradley and Iman Shumpert as well.
They're both under 25, I thought this was about players who haven't/won't reach their potential and hype, this two are mentioned yet they are both the best perimeter defenders in the league? and both are under 25? :facepalm

[KungFuJoe]

Roy Hibbert.

I don't really follow the Pacers, but I keep one eye on the guy and he'll put up a statline like 25pts, 13rebounds, 6 blocks on 10-13 shooting. And I'll go check out his averages and see him at 11pts, 8 rebounds, 2 blocks shooting 48% or something like that.

I thought after last year's playoffs he was gonna be a star borderline superstar putting up monster numbers. He had a great game the other day with a near triple double...something like 24pts on 8-10 shooting, 12 rebounds, 8 blocks....come to find out that he's still just averaging the same amount of points and rebounds.

What is wrong with this guy? Is he just the most inconsistent player ever? Or is he just not THAT good?