☆Official Jordan Hill Thread: Signs w/ the Lakers for 18m/2years(TOption)/9m per year

[MJ(Mean John)]

Late bloomer?

You never know. Maybe he's a late bloomer and reaches all star level. I know it would be hilarious if he ended up with better stats than Dwight. It could happen. Dwight's slightly overrated. (And that's not bitterness talking)but it would be awesome. Both players played for each other's team too.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Late bloomer?

You never know. Maybe he's a late bloomer and reaches all star level. I know it would be hilarious if he ended up with better stats than Dwight. It could happen. Dwight's slightly overrated. (And that's not bitterness talking)but it would be awesome. Both players played for each other's team too.

Big Difference: Dwight is geting paid 20mil to Hill's 4mil

Hill likes to play defense & rebound...while Howard b!tches about the touches on the offensive end...

hill is basically doing all the things MDA ask Choward to do and wouldn't....

[kkinchen]

I always thought Hill had the potential to be the next Rodman, and truthfully that is how he has been playing since entering the starting lineup. The only difference is that Hill is more polished offensively than Rodman ever was. He is really making a difference for our team. The best hustle guy in the entire NBA.

[dd24]

I think all of the LA fans have liked Hill's game since he's been here. We all saw potential there. What he's been doing the past couple of games is great. I think he can put up good numbers while Kobe is out. When Kobe comes back it'll be interesting to see how the offense works. Right now the team really needs his scoring down low though, and that might not change since Pau hasn't been quite the same as he was a few years ago. Anyway around it the defense and rebounding are things that should stay at a good level as long as he can stay focused.

MJ(Mean John) I agree about Howard being slightly overrated. His offensive game is terrible. I never realized how limited it was until last season. I think we all watched a Magic game with Dwight in it here or there but we never really knew how limited he was. There's a lot of C's in the game right now that are better scorers than Dwight and I think Hill could end up being better in the post. Dwights athleticism does make him very dangerous on the defensive end, but at the end of a game when you have a guy on offense who's a liability it's tough to win games in the playoffs.

[bladefd]

I always was a fan of Hill's game.. The hustle, the hard-nosed defense, the rebounding, blue-collar mentality.. I always wanted somebody to replace Ronny Turiaf. Jordan Hill is that guy. He might be a star in the making as a lot of you mentioned. Imagine if he can be our starting PF or C going forward? We would just need to sign a SF and PG over the summer. One less position to worry about..

Relax on the Rodman comparison, folks. :lol Rodman is the greatest offensive rebounder EVER (top 3 greatest overall rebounders EVER) and a top 10 greatest defenders ever imo. Hill is not yet there. Give him some more games before you throw out Rodman comparisons. You don't want to set him up for failure.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

I think all of the LA fans have liked Hill's game since he's been here. We all saw potential there. What he's been doing the past couple of games is great. I think he can put up good numbers while Kobe is out. When Kobe comes back it'll be interesting to see how the offense works. Right now the team really needs his scoring down low though, and that might not change since Pau hasn't been quite the same as he was a few years ago. Anyway around it the defense and rebounding are things that should stay at a good level as long as he can stay focused.

MJ(Mean John) I agree about Howard being slightly overrated. His offensive game is terrible. I never realized how limited it was until last season. I think we all watched a Magic game with Dwight in it here or there but we never really knew how limited he was. There's a lot of C's in the game right now that are better scorers than Dwight and I think Hill could end up being better in the post. Dwights athleticism does make him very dangerous on the defensive end, but at the end of a game when you have a guy on offense who's a liability it's tough to win games in the playoffs.

kobe coming back has nothing to with Jordan Hill. There are no plays called for him now and wont be called when Kobe comes back...

if anything when Kobe drives he will get dunks cause his man will leave to go for kobe....

my 2 cents

[MJ(Mean John)]

kobe coming back has nothing to with Jordan Hill. There are no plays called for him now and wont be called when Kobe comes back...

if anything when Kobe drives he will get dunks cause his man will leave to go for kobe....

my 2 cents


Bro, Kobe isn't driving anymore.

Only posting up and shooting Jumpshots. I'm kidding

[dd24]

I think Kobe coming back affects everybody's offensive numbers. It doesn't matter whether plays are called for you or not. It's not like they're going to start averaging 20 more ppg as a team. The only way I see it not doing so is if we see the Kobe from mid last season who was trying to be a facilitator. I doubt that will happen though. Kobe is a shooter and he's going to score the ball. That means other guys aren't going to get as many shots or points.

[Da Kobester]

Dwight Choward's a clown:lol even Hakeem realizes what he taught him during the summer was a waste coz clown man doesn't utilize his foot works enough in the paint nor does he react quick enough in his post up moves before opponents can react.

As for my boy J-Chill does the dirty work for less money he the garbage man. A lot of it has to do with Antoni not giving him the chance in NYC as well as Jordan not getting a chance in H-Town. Jordan's got heart and potential and Lakernation saw only a glimpse of that last year before his injury. J-Chill he hungry and now in his 4th season is poised to have a break out year that is if Antoni don't bite him in the a$$ again second time around.:no:

[$LakerGold]

Bump.

[$LakerGold]

Welcome back, Jordan Hill :)

[gts]

Welcome back, Jordan Hill :)For a couple years.. Pau got greedy and Lakers let him walk..

Lakers offered Gasol 2 years 20 million and he declined so they offered Hill 2 years 9 million per with a team option on the second year...

I like this contract better to be honest for the financial flexibility but will miss Pau and would not have complained had Pau come back

[SoCalMike]

Pau got greedy and Lakers let him walk..

Let's be real here. Pau did not get greedy. Simply put, he does not want to play for the Lakers. I would not be surprised if he ultimately signs for a smaller contract by his choice.

The Lakers are not a good organization to work for right now, plain and simple. Laker fans need to accept this.

I totally respect Pau's decision.



:pimp:

[$LakerGold]

For a couple years.. Pau got greedy and Lakers let him walk..

Lakers offered Gasol 2 years 20 million and he declined so they offered Hill 2 years 9 million per with a team option on the second year...

I like this contract better to be honest for the financial flexibility but will miss Pau and would not have complained had Pau come back
I don't know about him being greedy, the Lakers org have treated him like shit for the past years & probably more to come if he signs back. I'm torn that he's not coming back, but nevertheless, I'd like to see him go to the Spurs, he'll fit well over there.

I never knew about the team option in Hill's contract, not bad for the Lakers. Still a shitty offseason for them.

[gts]

UPDATE: According to Dave McMenamin from ESPN Los Angeles, the Lakers presented two offers to Gasol before today: two years, $23 million and three years, $29 million. The Spaniard reportedly rejected both offers.

Too much for Pau...


Yeah Kobe Hill's contract is decent way to go.. You know what you get with Hill and it doesn't screw up the long term picture

[$LakerGold]

^Lakersnation reported that too. I thought it was a typo. I posted it in the Offseason thread.

WTF, PAU.

[dd24]

Pau did the right thing by rejecting the Lakers offers. They aren't going to be a good team. If the Lakers fans are true fans they'll realize this team needs to rebuild and will be patient about it. Pau's not being greedy. Many of the other places can't offer him as much money. Just hope that the Lakers at least get something in return. Right now it might just be Boozers contract lol. Which would tell me the Lakers are tanking this season and they're trying to have a bunch of cap space for next offseason. I like the Jordan Hill signing.

[gts]

Pau did the right thing by rejecting the Lakers offers. They aren't going to be a good team. If the Lakers fans are true fans they'll realize this team needs to rebuild and will be patient about it. Pau's not being greedy. Many of the other places can't offer him as much money. Just hope that the Lakers at least get something in return. Right now it might just be Boozers contract lol. Which would tell me the Lakers are tanking this season and they're trying to have a bunch of cap space for next offseason. I like the Jordan Hill signing.

When I say greedy I mean more than just money, he wants rings too and I never said it was a bad thing but it is very real thing that has led him away from LA...

Fact is Lakers made him two more than respectable offers considering his history the last two seasons with foot and leg problems, I never would have offered him that much for two years or a 3 year contract considering I wondered if he'd make it through last season in one piece so the Lakers certainly didn't disrespect him by any means...

I love Pau, and wish him all the best and you guys now that but his time in LA is done

BTW I'm a stay away from Boozer by any means possible person... Count me as being happy they basically have no way to bring him on board at this point

[Mgamer20o0]

For a couple years.. Pau got greedy and Lakers let him walk..

Lakers offered Gasol 2 years 20 million and he declined so they offered Hill 2 years 9 million per with a team option on the second year...

I like this contract better to be honest for the financial flexibility but will miss Pau and would not have complained had Pau come back
i like that a lot better knowing the 2nd year is a team option.

pau isnt greedy. he wants to win. lakers are not winning anything next year. i hope he goes to the spurs and wins. would be nice if we pulled a sign and trade to get a pick or two.

[GimmeThat]

I honestly would not have minded a 21m/3years/7m per year deal

I'm very much sold on Randle, and think that Hill would be a great player playing next to him. And while I understand the 2years deal because of FA coming ups in the next few season.

Again, I'm sold on Randle, and I think that by messing up with contract situations like this, I'm not sure if we can retain Hill for the long haul even past the 2 years/9m per year deal.


But then, there's always FA out there I suppose.

[dd24]

i like that a lot better knowing the 2nd year is a team option.

The Lakers have made it very obvious they want to have a ton of cap space next year too. Nash comes off the books, Lin, potentially Hill. They're talking about trading for Boozer or Bargnani depending on where Pau goes. The rumors are going to be crazy next season.

The other thing they can do is package those expiring deals to a team that thinks will lose it's superstar at the trading deadline too.

[GimmeThat]

The Lakers have made it very obvious they want to have a ton of cap space next year too. Nash comes off the books, Lin, potentially Hill. They're talking about trading for Boozer or Bargnani depending on where Pau goes. The rumors are going to be crazy next season.

The other thing they can do is package those expiring deals to a team that thinks will lose it's superstar at the trading deadline too.

that's just a terrible way to build a team.

the fact that we lost out on big name FA this season should be enough already. plus, we don't have Pau Gasol anymore, I'm not sure why ANY FA would want to come to the Lakers. Plus with Kobe's contract, it's not like we can sign 2 max players, and even if he did retire to get the contract off the book, there's still absolutely no reason for big name FAs to come.

there's absolutely no logic behind clearing cap space for next season.



Barg and Boozer are not players other teams would sign and trade for, which again, means that when they come off the books, we can't trade them for any players that's still on their contract really. Unless we pull off a midseason trade.

I guess maybe the Rockets 1st, plus our 1st (don't know if we still have one) might be enough with expiring contracts.

but then again, who's to say ANY FA would resign with the Lakers even after we traded for them? unless they re-sign their contract before next year's draft, which hardly any player does that.

[dd24]

that's just a terrible way to build a team.

the fact that we lost out on big name FA this season should be enough already. plus, we don't have Pau Gasol anymore, I'm not sure why ANY FA would want to come to the Lakers. Plus with Kobe's contract, it's not like we can sign 2 max players, and even if he did retire to get the contract off the book, there's still absolutely no reason for big name FAs to come.

there's absolutely no logic behind clearing cap space for next season.



Barg and Boozer are not players other teams would sign and trade for, which again, means that when they come off the books, we can't trade them for any players that's still on their contract really. Unless we pull off a midseason trade.

I guess maybe the Rockets 1st, plus our 1st (don't know if we still have one) might be enough with expiring contracts.

but then again, who's to say ANY FA would resign with the Lakers even after we traded for them? unless they re-sign their contract before next year's draft, which hardly any player does that.

It's the route that Boston and Miami took. It won a bunch of titles for them. Having a ton of cap space so players can team up together either through trade or free agency isn't such a terrible way to build a team. What killed it for the Lakers is Kobe has the most outrageous contract in the NBA. It makes it far more difficult. The other reason that it can't be such a terrible way is there's only 3 ways to build your team.... Free Agency, Trades, and the Draft. If you don't like free agency and trades, then you only have the draft left. I've said the Lakers need to start stock piling picks but really that's a ways down the road. The Lakers just don't have draft picks right now. Having cap space is their only hope.

[bladefd]

It's the route that Boston and Miami took. It won a bunch of titles for them. Having a ton of cap space so players can team up together either through trade or free agency isn't such a terrible way to build a team. What killed it for the Lakers is Kobe has the most outrageous contract in the NBA. It makes it far more difficult. The other reason that it can't be such a terrible way is there's only 3 ways to build your team.... Free Agency, Trades, and the Draft. If you don't like free agency and trades, then you only have the draft left. I've said the Lakers need to start stock piling picks but really that's a ways down the road. The Lakers just don't have draft picks right now. Having cap space is their only hope.

Well, so far it seems Lakers will have tons of cap-space next summer. Lakers have done pretty good job having open cap-space this summer and next.

We cannot build through trades since we don't really have talented assets (will have expiring deals this upcoming season as assets). I believe they will make an offer with those expiring contracts in February for Kevin Love once Minnesota gets desperate around trade-deadline. Keep an eye out for that.

Will have high-draft pick next season if the tanking goes right this season.. How does next year's draft look when it comes to depth?

My hope of what lineup looks like next summer..
M.Gasol
Love
..somebody
Kobe
..somebody

[dd24]

Not that I think Lebron will go anywhere, but he's probably going to be a FA next summer too.... Cap space will be nice to at least make a run at him again. I don't think Minnesota wants expiring contracts. They want veterans locked into contracts. It's worth a chance though.

Right now there's a few big prospects that would fit the Lakers needs (as there's many) if they would get a top pick. There's the PG Emmanual Mudaiy, C Jahlil Okafur, and then there's guys like Wayne Seldon, Karl Towns, & Cliff Alexander. It looks to be a pretty good draft at the top, but nothing like this one as far as depth.

[GimmeThat]

It's the route that Boston and Miami took. It won a bunch of titles for them. Having a ton of cap space so players can team up together either through trade or free agency isn't such a terrible way to build a team. What killed it for the Lakers is Kobe has the most outrageous contract in the NBA. It makes it far more difficult. The other reason that it can't be such a terrible way is there's only 3 ways to build your team.... Free Agency, Trades, and the Draft. If you don't like free agency and trades, then you only have the draft left. I've said the Lakers need to start stock piling picks but really that's a ways down the road. The Lakers just don't have draft picks right now. Having cap space is their only hope.

3 titles? combined between 2 teams?
I mean, that's not bad at all, considering how hard it is for a championship to come along.

plus, this all happened pre-new CBA agreement.



having cap space. everyone can do that.

having cap space as well as a roster, that's what gets FA.


having valuable tradeable assets is the same, if not better than having cap space for just about the majority of the time. besides when it is a huge FA year.

[dd24]

The Lakers have expiring contracts. Those are valuable trading assets.

[gts]

The Lakers just don't have draft picks right now. Having cap space is their only hope.

He gets it...

[Lakers91]

Not that I think Lebron will go anywhere, but he's probably going to be a FA next summer too.... Cap space will be nice to at least make a run at him again. I don't think Minnesota wants expiring contracts. They want veterans locked into contracts. It's worth a chance though.

Right now there's a few big prospects that would fit the Lakers needs (as there's many) if they would get a top pick. There's the PG Emmanual Mudaiy, C Jahlil Okafur, and then there's guys like Wayne Seldon, Karl Towns, & Cliff Alexander. It looks to be a pretty good draft at the top, but nothing like this one as far as depth.

LeBron's contract aligns "coincidentally" before if you will with when there is another potential CBA discussion or potential lockout/2017 ish is when the earliest can be discussed I suspect that is why the shorter deal depending on how the next agreements go he might sign a longer term before or wait until after another lockout, salary cap is also rising so either next year or the year after etc etc he's been in the longer longer; higher salary cap instead of the $20 million max he has now will be eligible for something like 23-25 would be a guess or at least I'd assume that is why, given he's just increased the Cavaliers net worth by almost twice simply by signing not the worst investment for a player still in his prime :oldlol: certainly a more unique contract situation.

Be bad enough could get the pick back then I'd assume the front office will unload contracts and have Kobe + 2 draft picks and Young, but it still worries me even with the expirers, I do hope it's short term pain for long term gain I just hope it doesn't take too long.

[D-Rose]

Why not at least offer Bledsoe an offer sheet w/ 9 mill a year? :confusedshrug: That's a young talent that could attract more FA in the future. It's not like anyone else was rushing to sign Jordan Hill for 9 mill a year.

His contract is not bad at all though, since there's the TO on year 2...but it's just an uncreative move. Typical Jim Buss era stuff.

[lakerfreak]

I think after all the anticipation of whether he was going to be traded or not the last 3-4 years caused him to just want to end it all. Even after Dwight left, he was our only big man and there was still discussion of trading him.

The truth is he is not going to be the same prime Gasol, and the even more honest truth is that he was not for the past two seasons, when we still could have reportedly traded him for Kevin Love. We waited too long until his value lowered enough. Now we don't have Love OR Gasol. Bad move to lower his morale the past few seasons and then not do a thing about it.

Because I like to think optimistically, a starting team that has Jordan Hill and Julius Randle is going to be some rebounding monstrous two headed monster. Not so much low post offense (all dependent on Randle), but that should be the least concern when we want to talk about hustle.