Are pedophiles attracted to children naturally?

[Jameerthefear]

I know it still doesn't condone it at all, but is the attraction that pedophiles have to children natural?
not defending them at all just food for thought.

[Jameerthefear]

just realized thread title might be confusing. basically are pedophiles born with their attraction to children.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

You tell us.

[#number6ix#]

i read a article a while ago that said they're naturally attracted to children and cannot help it... its just how their brains are wired

[CelticBaller]

Dude, it's in your genes. Don't blame yourself, blame science

[ace23]

Yes, that's exactly what it means to be a pedophile.

[Patrick Chewing]

Ask your doctor and then tell your lawyer.

[9erempiree]

i read a article a while ago that said they're naturally attracted to children and cannot help it... its just how their brains are wired

If that's the case then shouldn't they be treated differently in court? You cannot hate on gays for being born that way, therefore, how about them?

Not condoning what they do btw.

[Jello]

If that's the case then shouldn't they be treated differently in court? You cannot hate on gays for being born that way, therefore, how about them?

Not condoning what they do btw.
Are you legit stupid? Nobody is tried in court for being attracted to kids, they get tried for acting on that attraction.

[Jameerthefear]

If that's the case then shouldn't they be treated differently in court? You cannot hate on gays for being born that way, therefore, how about them?

Not condoning what they do btw.
well a regular gay adult's partner can consent

[O_City_Thunder]

You tell us.
That's classic :oldlol:


repped

[miller-time]

If that's the case then shouldn't they be treated differently in court? You cannot hate on gays for being born that way, therefore, how about them?

Not condoning what they do btw.

No because having a disposition doesn't mean you are incapable of preventing it to happen. Children can't consent so it doesn't matter if a pedophile likes them they should know better than to try and sleep with them. Being a pedophile in itself is not a crime, it is acting on those instincts that is the crime (whether they are physically molesting children or consuming child pornography). In fact the demonization of pedophiles in society has been shown to not be helpful since the pedophiles themselves are too scared to find help which can ultimately lead them to engaging in deviant behavior.

[ZenMaster]

They're trying chemical castration:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check-with-polly-curtis/2012/mar/13/prisons-and-probation-criminal-justice

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[9erempiree]

Are you legit stupid? Nobody is tried in court for being attracted to kids, they get tried for acting on that attraction.

For sake of discussion homie.

[Thorpesaurous]

If memory serves, it's FBI profiler John Douglas, who simply put it "whatever gets your rocks off gets your rocks off, and it's not going to change". That was in reference to straight people, gay people, pedophiles, sexual sadists, and whatever other kinks one may conjure up. It's a drive, and once it's trigger is discovered, it doesn't really turn off.
I do believe that that warrants some kind of different legal treatment, however I'm not sure how to handle it. Something closer to a research facility than a prison may make more sense.
And I'm not sure if it's true that no one has been arrested for just an attraction. I believe there have been people arrested now for computer generated kiddie porn, which is something that while is vile in my mind, I'm not sure what legal ground to stand on with it.

[AI Thornton]

I was naturally attracted to children, but then I grew up and continued being attracted to people my age like a normal person.

[LJJ]

If you think about it, it's quite sad really.

Even if you disregard the whole having sex with children as an absolutely despicable thing, it's sad, like those people who f*ck horses. They aren't capable of loving a real person, they are in love with a phase that will disappear within a couple of years. They can never have a deep connection with another human. Natural sociopaths.

[DukeDelonte13]

Not always.

A lot of time pedophiles are molested themselves as children or have some other environmental factor that contributes to it. Often times if someone gets molested as a 10 year old, that person has an attraction to children of that age group.

[rufuspaul]

I know it still doesn't condone it at all, but is the attraction that pedophiles have to children natural?
not defending them at all just food for thought.



Interesting that a grown man pretending to be an anime-loving teenager is asking this question.

[DukeDelonte13]

Interesting that a grown man pretending to be an anime-loving teenager is asking this question.

:oldlol: :roll:

[ILLsmak]

I know it still doesn't condone it at all, but is the attraction that pedophiles have to children natural?
not defending them at all just food for thought.

Give us some insight into the mind of a pedophile.

-Smak

[ILLsmak]

If you think about it, it's quite sad really.

Even if you disregard the whole having sex with children as an absolutely despicable thing, it's sad, like those people who f*ck horses. They aren't capable of loving a real person, they are in love with a phase that will disappear within a couple of years. They can never have a deep connection with another human. Natural sociopaths.

wtf if the horse consents why does it matter? The only way to get a truly deep connection is to **** a horse...

Don't compare that to pedophilia which is generally all around wrong.

-Smak

[STATUTORY]

Perhaps it's just the Nabokov lover in me but I'm inclined to believe pedophila or hebephilia can be induced by some experiences in adolescence

[-p.tiddy-]

It would be really interesting to see how society would treat an "out of the closet" pedophile who has never acted on it

what a horrible thing to be born with...

[-p.tiddy-]

They're trying chemical castration:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check-with-polly-curtis/2012/mar/13/prisons-and-probation-criminal-justice
really, this shit should be mandatory for all repeat sex offenders...be it rape, or molestation...just anything

just remove their sex drive...problem solved


why the fck are we NOT doing this?

[Jameerthefear]

Interesting that a grown man pretending to be an anime-loving teenager is asking this question.
i just can't convince you can i rufus...

[Myth]

It would be really interesting to see how society would treat an "out of the closet" pedophile who has never acted on it

what a horrible thing to be born with...

Well, I wouldn't let him/her babysit children still.

[Dresta]

just realized thread title might be confusing. basically are pedophiles born with their attraction to children.
It may not be affected congenitally from birth, as a traumatic childhood with sexual abuse can often lead to pedophilia later in life.

Either way, it is certainly not a choice. I don't know why it is so hard for people to accept this, when most are so dogmatic about the fact it isn't a choice in the case of homosexuals.

There will be many people who are pedophiles that never act on their desires, and never tell anybody about them. For these people it is a very unfortunate condition, likely to lead to self-hatred, depression and misery.

[fiddy]

i just can't convince you can i rufus...

You aint conviencing anyone

jk

[Myth]

It may not be affected congenitally from birth, as a traumatic childhood with sexual abuse can often lead to pedophilia later in life.

Either way, it is certainly not a choice. I don't know why it is so hard for people to accept this, when most are so dogmatic about the fact it isn't a choice in the case of homosexuals.

There will be many people who are pedophiles that never act on their desires, and never tell anybody about them. For these people it is a very unfortunate condition, likely to lead to self-hatred, depression and misery.

I could see that pedophilia isn't a choice, but they should not act on it. The difference with being gay, if that is the comparison we are going to going for, is that sex between 2 gay people involves consenting adults and therefore acting on it is not wrong.

[Swaggin916]

They're trying chemical castration:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/reality-check-with-polly-curtis/2012/mar/13/prisons-and-probation-criminal-justice

Very interesting... I like that it's completely voluntary. Forcing someone to do it would definitely be too punitive. This drug could seemingly work for violent people as well as it reduces testosterone.

I think there are a lot of forces at work though that determine whether someone feels it... and even more for someone to act on it. Genetic predispositions seem like the most relevant though as this sort of thing happens to people everywhere.

[Swaggin916]

I think everyone agrees they shpuldnt act on it. Its just there are probably better ways to deal with it than throwing them straight in jail. I actually listened to an interview of a pedophile who willingly chemically castrated himself to kill the urges.

And that should be applauded, rewarded, ect. That is extremely admirable and responsible. More stories like that need to get out.

[Dresta]

I could see that pedophilia isn't a choice, but they should not act on it. The difference with being gay, if that is the comparison we are going to going for, is that sex between 2 gay people involves consenting adults and therefore acting on it is not wrong.
I wasn't talking about them having sex with children, i was just referring to the predilection to want to have sex with children. Although child porn certainly needs to be clamped down on because it is exploitative of children, we completely ruin the lives and turn into hate figures anyone who accesses it (if we can).

These people are completely ostracised from society, for something most of them probably already feel great shame about. And don't deny that if most owned up to their predilections, that they wouldn't instantly lose nearly all their friends.

edit: i mean, in England, animated porn depicted the underage is even illegal - why deny these people an outlet that doesn't actually harm anybody? Because people are intolerant assholes - their intolerance just shifts to whatever society deems it ok to be intolerant of.

[Jameerthefear]

I wasn't talking about them having sex with children, i was just referring to the predilection to want to have sex with children. Although child porn certainly needs to be clamped down on because it is exploitative of children, we completely ruin the lives and turn into hate figures anyone who accesses it (if we can).

These people are completely ostracised from society, for something most of them probably already feel great shame about. And don't deny that if most owned up to their predilections, that they wouldn't instantly lose nearly all their friends.

edit: i mean, in England, animated porn depicted the underage is even illegal - why deny these people an outlet that doesn't actually harm anybody? Because people are intolerant assholes - their intolerance just shifts to whatever society deems it ok to be intolerant of.
animated porn should definitely not be illegal. there is no victim of the crime, and it doesn't affect anyone.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Just because you're naturally inclined to do something doesn't make it any more OK. Murders are likely more naturally inclined to be violent. It's stupid logic. BTW between the 12 year old anime girls and this thread, I'm concerned.

[Jameerthefear]

Just because you're naturally inclined to do something doesn't make it any more OK. Murders are likely more naturally inclined to be violent. It's stupid logic. BTW between the 12 year old anime girls and this thread, I'm concerned.
Don't worry, everyone in that thread is over the age of 12... I think.

[Dresta]

Just because you're naturally inclined to do something doesn't make it any more OK. Murders are likely more naturally inclined to be violent. It's stupid logic. BTW between the 12 year old anime girls and this thread, I'm concerned.
Poor comparison and you miss the difference between inclination and action.

I don't think anyone is saying it is ok to go around sexually abusing children. But it should be acknowledged that sexual desire is completely unconscious, and that someone can be sexually attracted to children while also being a good person.

It is the same with the laws in the UK that outlaw 'extreme' pornography (between consenting adults), completely ignoring that what is extreme to one person is simply titillation to another, and that people have no choice when it comes to what turns them on. Despite it leading to ridiculous prosecutions the law has still not been revoked:

'In 2009, the CPS brought the daft

[RedBlackAttack]

Poor comparison and you miss the difference between inclination and action.

I don't think anyone is saying it is ok to go around sexually abusing children. But it should be acknowledged that sexual desire is completely unconscious, and that someone can be sexually attracted to children while also being a good person.

It is the same with the laws in the UK that outlaw 'extreme' pornography (between consenting adults), completely ignoring that what is extreme to one person is simply titillation to another, and that people have no choice when it comes to what turns them on. Despite it leading to ridiculous prosecutions the law has still not been revoked:

'In 2009, the CPS brought the daft “Tiger porn” prosecution in respect of a video of what appeared to them to be a man having sex with a tiger. In that case the CPS had not listened to video’s soundtrack before putting a man on trial and thereby at risk of imprisonment and being placed on the sexual offenders register. When the defence pointed out that at the end of the video, the CGI-generated tiger turns to the camera and says “That beats the Frosties advert!” even the CPS had to accept someone watching it would not think the tiger was real.'

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/extreme-prosecution

I mean, they ruin people's lives and reputations with this nonsense. The UK has just become a complete joke tbh: recently a man got 11 months for posting anti-islamic material in his windows, and another got 3 months for making a joke about a dead girl.

Madness.
I'm pretty much in agreement with all your points, here.

No one is trying to minimize the great pain and life-destroying consequences of molestation. It's just about pointing out that this issue is much more complicated than it is given credit for.

Our society is naturally repulsed by the idea of sex with children. In a lot of cases, those who take part in it are looked at as worse than murderers.

While understandable -- taking advantage of the most innocent among us -- it gets more interesting when you think about those people cursed with this affliction who live out their lives never hurting anyone, yet feel all the shame and guilt that comes with having the predilection.

Honestly, it has to be the worst kind of impulse to live with. Has there ever been a pedophile who came out of the closet, but never acted upon it? I've never heard of it happening and for good reason... It's the one taboo that will send society recoiling regardless of the person's self control.

It must be an incredibly sad, lonely existence.

[Trollsmasher]

If you are having problems with your urges, just convert to islam.

[AintNoSunshine]

You tell us.


:oldlol: :applause: :bowdown:

[Myth]

animated porn should definitely not be illegal. there is no victim of the crime, and it doesn't affect anyone.

A fear I can see people having is the fear of it normalizing having sex with children.

[The-Legend-24]

You tell us.
:oldlol:

[Dresta]

A fear I can see people having is the fear of it normalizing having sex with children.
:roll:

seriously?


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Dresta]

I was naturally attracted to children, but then I grew up and continued being attracted to people my age like a normal person.
Thanks for the message asshole.

Older men continue to be sexually attracted to young women fyi. I've known 20-year olds who go for men over 35. Who are you to say what is normal? The only thing that is 'normal' is that people have different sexual preferences to each other, because not everybody is the same, you see?

It's amazing how incapable of seeing past their own perceptions people like you can be. The only thing that is certain is that you're evidently severely lacking in imagination, and would be one of the people calling for the imprisonment or execution of homosexuals were you not born into the tolerance-loving culture of today.

[AI Thornton]

Thanks for the message asshole.


Sorry you found my joke about pedophiles being messed up personally offensive :lol

[Dresta]

Sorry you found my joke about pedophiles being messed up personally offensive :lol
:sleeping

No, i found your comment 'Stop justifying your sick ways' to be offensive.

I just found the one i quoted rather indicative of the closed-mindedness that makes people (like you) think you can't sympathise with people who are different without having a personal stake in the matter. People who can't imagine themselves in other people's shoes, or see things from their perspective (i.e those completely lacking in imagination).

It's the 'people who aren't like me aren't normal' mentality that has been used to justify all kinds of barbaric things.

[AI Thornton]

No, i found your comment 'Stop justifying your sick ways' to be offensive.


It's the 'people who aren't like me aren't normal' mentality that has been used to justify all kinds of barbaric things.

what are you talking about? when did I say that?

And again you defend pedophiles and imply MY mentality leads to barbaric things :roll:

[n00bie]

i just can't convince you can i rufus...

How can you convince anyone with those underage anime girls in your sig? :facepalm

[OhNoTimNoSho]

I mean lets be honest, who isn't attracted to children? Always wearing those tight sexy outfits.

[Trollsmasher]

I mean lets be honest, who isn't attracted to children? Always wearing those tight sexy outfits.
inb4 FBI at your doorstep