How is Larry Bird ranked higher then Lebron james

[juju151111]

I don't see what Larry did better to have him rank higher. LeBron should of already took his spot has top 5 player.

[kNicKz]

OP hasn't seen Larry play

[russwest0]

OP is a phagg0t

[#number6ix#]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/no-no.gif
Not yet but soon

[Harison]

OP hasn't seen Larry play
+1.

[KingBeasley08]

After this season, Lebron will be higher

[Dro]

After this season, Lebron will be higher
:oldlol:

[uber]

After this season, Lebron will be higher

Maybe in your little fantasy world ...

[TheMarkMadsen]

I didnt see what Larry did.


Fixed for accuracy. They both won championships on the most stacked teams of their era but Larry was the better player

[kNicKz]

Lets put it this way. Dirk Nowitzki is a dollar tree clearance rack version of Larry Bird

[RoundMoundOfReb]

After this season, Lebron will be higher
It would be close. Depends on what LeBron does. It would be tough to not rank him that high if he were to have 5 mvps and 3 titles, 3 fmvps. Only 2 other players have that combination of MVPS and FMVPS - Michael Jordan and Bill Russell (gonna assume he was worthy of an fmvp 3 times lol).

[kNicKz]

It would be close. Depends on what LeBron does. It would be tough to not rank him that high if he were to have 5 mvps and 3 titles, 3 fmvps. Only 2 other players have that combination of MVPS and FMVPS - Michael Jordan and Bill Russell (gonna assume he was worthy of an fmvp 3 times lol).

because the MVP award is sooo serious

Shaq was the best player in the league for only one season

:yaohappy: :yaohappy:

[Real Men Wear Green]

I don't see what Larry did betterBird had a far better jumper and superior scoring skills in general. Bird is also remembered as being extremely clutch whereas with James you can point out both amazing performances as well as awful ones, even though to be fair he has been good in the clutch overall when you compare him to the average player.
to have him rank higher. LeBron should of already took his spot has top 5 player.James blows Bird away as a defender and was about as effective on offense because he's such a great athlete and is Bird's equal as a passer. He will eventually pass Bird on most people's all-time rankings and there are people that would say he's already ahead but Bird had a great career and deserves a lot of respect so I don't think you should act like it's a big deal that everyone hasn't put James ahead of Bird yet.

[KingBeasley08]

Maybe in your little fantasy world ...
5 MVP
3 FMVP

He'll easily be better than bird :oldlol:

[red1]

Calm down OP. Bron is getting close but is not there yet

[Dro]

5 MVP
3 FMVP

He'll easily be better than bird :oldlol:
SMH, the world of ish...We love hyperbole don't we...

[Le Shaqtus]

What an insult :facepalm

[riseagainst]

5 MVP
3 FMVP

He'll easily be better than bird :oldlol:

right, cus accolades certainly means that you are better than someone from a different era of basketball.

:oldlol:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

because the MVP award is sooo serious

Shaq was the best player in the league for only one season

:yaohappy: :yaohappy:
Shaq should've won in 2001 and maybe 05 but other seasons he was playing in mid 60 games a year which hurt his case. BTW LeBron has won 4 slam dunk mvps. Years in which there was no legitimate case against him. He didn't get "gifted" any of them.

[KingBeasley08]

What are some reasons why Bird would be better? Definetely isn't longevity. He had a damn good peak but Lebron's current run may be better when it's all said an done.

I'm not getting any legit arguments from people here

[kNicKz]

Shaq should've won in 2001 and maybe 05 but other seasons he was playing in mid 60 games a year which hurt his case. BTW LeBron has won 4 slam dunk mvps. Years in which there was no legitimate case against him. He didn't get "gifted" any of them.

We can discuss awards voted on by skip bayless all day, but who in their right mind would honestly draft Lebron over Larry Bird?

[BIZARRO]

Fixed for accuracy. They both won championships on the most stacked teams of their era but Larry was the better player

The Lakers were the most stacked team of that era. I was a big Celtic fan back then, and the Celts were incredible, but I always felt Bird was at a disadvantage due to his overall team in comparison when playing Magic's Lakers.

Magic had better talent around him.

BTW, I have Lebron (#4) slightly ahead of Bird (#7) all-time though. And Bird is my second favorite player ever.

[kNicKz]

What are some reasons why Bird would be better? Definetely isn't longevity. He had a damn good peak but Lebron's current run may be better when it's all said an done.

I'm not getting any legit arguments from people here

If Bird played in 2013 his injury may not have ended his career :confusedshrug:

[Mr Exlax]

This is why there needs to be a list for career accomplishments and a list for the actual players themselves.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Both are in my personal top five players ever, though. So, whatever. Bird could be PF in today's more athletic league. Hell, if Dirk and K. Love are superstars. I shutter to think what Bird would do at that position.

[KingBeasley08]

If Bird played in 2013 his injury may not have ended his career :confusedshrug:
But it did. Are we going to start playing these hypothetical games? I have no idea if he would be injured in 2013. All I know is that he got injured when he did play and that unfortunately counts against him

[riseagainst]

But it did. Are we going to start playing these hypothetical games? I have no idea if he would be injured in 2013. All I know is that he got injured when he did play and that unfortunately counts against him

not really against Bird. Think about it. Bird was genetically inferior physically to Lebron and yet he's still the better player. So with today's modern medicine and training techniques, Bird would even further the gap between the two.

[Pushxx]

In this soft-ass league?

[Myth]

Well for 1, LeBron isn't over Duncan yet (who at the end of his career nearly beat LeBron), and Bird is above Duncan.

Also, LeBron got beat by a poor man's version of Bird (Dirk).

[zoom17]

Lebron could pass him this year he will pass in points scored could tie him in rings and will have more mvps and he is still 28 and many years to add to accomplishments:bowdown:

[kNicKz]

But it did. Are we going to start playing these hypothetical games? I have no idea if he would be injured in 2013. All I know is that he got injured when he did play and that unfortunately counts against him

Ok... Lebron choked in 2007, 2011, and 2013 Finals and Bird is a legendary clutch performer

:confusedshrug:

[russwest0]

Wait since when did the MVP award mean anything?

Skip Bayless and Stephen A Smith vote on these awards yet people still take them seriously?

:lebronamazed:

[zoom17]

Ok... Lebron choked in 2007, 2011, and 2013 Finals and Bird is a legendary clutch performer

:confusedshrug:

:facepalm Stop you guys act like lebron hasn't had no clutch moments in his career.

[riseagainst]

:facepalm Stop you guys act like lebron hasn't had no clutch moments in his career.

he didn't say 2012. He did pretty good in 2012.

[kNicKz]

:facepalm Stop you guys act like lebron hasn't had no clutch moments in his career.

Choking in 3 out 4 finals :roll:

Compared to Larry Bird :facepalm

[KingBeasley08]

Ok... Lebron choked in 2007, 2011, and 2013 Finals and Bird is a legendary clutch performer

:confusedshrug:
2013 Finals? :lol Same finals where Lebron dropped 37 in game 7?

At the end of the day, Lebron's about to win as many titles as Bird. He's had more dominant seasons. Better and more efficient scorer and better passer. Much better at defense. Bird has the edge in rebounding

[riseagainst]

2013 Finals? :lol

At the end of the day, Lebron's about to win as many titles as Bird. He's had more dominant seasons. Better and more efficient scorer and better passer. Much better at defense. Bird has the edge in rebounding

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[KingBeasley08]

Not to mention the 80s were an awful era when it comes to defense.

[zoom17]

he didn't say 2012. He did pretty good in 2012.

So that game 6 game wasn't clutch with all that pressure on him and that game 7 sealing shot to give him his second straight ring. He didn't play well like he did in the 2012 finals but he was clutch when the Heat needed him the most and he will continue to silence his haters when he gets his 3rd straight ring.

[kNicKz]

2013 Finals?

We're honestly still pretending that the Spurs game 6 collapse wasn't the biggest collapse in the history of modern sports? (Tied with Yankees ALCS)

How long can are we going to keep that going for?

[russwest0]

2013 Finals? :lol Same finals where Lebron dropped 37 in game 7?

At the end of the day, Lebron's about to win as many titles as Bird. He's had more dominant seasons. Better and more efficient scorer and better passer. Much better at defense. Bird has the edge in rebounding

1 game finals series FTW :rockon:

[russwest0]

We're honestly still pretending that the Spurs game 6 collapse wasn't the biggest collapse in the history of modern sports? (Tied with Yankees ALCS)

How long can are we going to keep that going for?

Forreal, Popovich had some dumbass decisions that game 6 and Heat got really lucky.

LeBron played like shit those first 6 games to anyone who isn't a box score scouter

[DaSeba5]

Not yet, but I think he could be by the end of his career. If he wins 5 MVPs and 3 Finals MVPs, that's nothing to laugh about. But people on ISH don't like LeBron and his fans so I can't expect most people to have a unbiased opinion about LeBron.

[riseagainst]

So that game 6 game wasn't clutch with all that pressure on him and that game 7 sealing shot to give him his second straight ring. He didn't play well like he did in the 2012 finals but he was clutch when the Heat needed him the most and he will continue to silence his haters when he gets his 3rd straight ring.

no he was not clutch in game 6. He was in game 7. But let's not forget that the Spurs literally gave game 6 away. Jesus was on his side.

[kNicKz]

Not to mention the 80s were an awful era when it comes to defense.

I know, you could *gasp* touch the person you were guarding and play physical

[KingBeasley08]

We're honestly still pretending that the Spurs game 6 collapse wasn't the biggest collapse in the history of modern sports? (Tied with Yankees ALCS)

How long can are we going to keep that going for?
We gon act like Tragic Johnson didn't choke away a title to the Celtics in 84? It happens. Teams choke and the other team makes plays to win. Part of game 6 was the Heat comeback in the fourth quarter (fueled by Lebron)

[zoom17]

1 game finals series FTW :rockon:

Heat still won and he is adding to his legacy get lost and worry about the thunder its sad that to pay more attention to lebron then your own team Still bitter about that beat down in 2012:roll: :roll: :roll:

[KingBeasley08]

I know, you could *gasp* touch the person you were guarding and play physical
Is that why the pace was ridiculously high and there were record amounts of points scored? :lol

People confusing the 80s and the 90s :lol

[kNicKz]

Not yet, but I think he could be by the end of his career. If he wins 5 MVPs and 3 Finals MVPs, that's nothing to laugh about. But people on ISH don't like LeBron and his fans so I can't expect most people to have a unbiased opinion about LeBron.

I'm just keeping it real. Shit, I threw my Yankees under the damn bus :confusedshrug:

I watched Lebron get shut down Boris Diaw and hand Grandfather Duncan a ring on a silver platter before the epic collapse of the Spurs and incredible shot by Ray Allen. You didn't really have moments of doubt like that watching Larry Bird.

[juju151111]

Why are people acting like Bird was some crazy monster playoff performer throughout his career. He had many bad series.

[russwest0]

Heat still won and he is adding to his legacy get lost and worry about the thunder its sad that to pay more attention to lebron then your own team Still bitter about that beat down in 2012:roll: :roll: :roll:

Why would I be bitter? We were playing a team that would have lost to Boston in 5 games without Dan/Joey Crawford suxing the Heats dick.

KD playing in foul trouble every game, Westbrook scoring 43 points, getting fouled everytime hes in the paint, gets 3 FTA.

Wade/LeBron not getting touched, going to FT line.

We lost 5v8, I ain't even mad

[pauk]

Larry Bird just like any of those guys in the top 5 (that by majority are in the top 5) are staples that hooked firmly there for a very long time and so will be very hard to remove when its time, they are way to nostalgic, Lebron is close or some fella might even argue tied (at best) at this moment, but not officially there yet for all of us to go "Ok, thats enough, Lebron > Bird"....

...but its also close for it to probably be enough, 1 year close.... KingBeasley08 is perfectly correct, look at it logically, if Lebron continues this historically great peak of productions, domination and putting yet another MVP, FMVP, Championship on his resume this year alone aswell.... Lebron will have just a bit more of everything to work with.... whether it is from accolades standpoint or purely basketball peak, domination, impact, stats, whatever standpoint.... Bird might have to make way....

[zoom17]

Why would I be bitter? We were playing a team that would have lost to Boston in 5 games without Dan/Joey Crawford suxing the Heats dick.

KD playing in foul trouble every game, Westbrook scoring 43 points, getting fouled everytime hes in the paint, gets 3 FTA.

Wade/LeBron not getting touched, going to FT line.

We lost 5v8, I ain't even mad

keep telling yourself that the Heat needed refs to beat celtics and by the way I think the Cs would have beaten the Thunder also:oldlol:

[riseagainst]

We gon act like Tragic Johnson didn't choke away a title to the Celtics in 84? It happens. Teams choke and the other team makes plays to win. Part of game 6 was the Heat comeback in the fourth quarter (fueled by Lebron)

3:18 left in the 4th quarter:
Spurs: 84
Heat: 87
Turnover by Lebron James, offensive foul


0:39
Spurs: 91
Heat: 89
Turnover by Lebron JAmes, lost ball, steal by Leonard.


0:28
Spurs: 93
Heat: 89
Turnover by Lebron James, bad pass, steal by Ginobili.


Then miracles happened.

[kNicKz]

Why would I be bitter? We were playing a team that would have lost to Boston in 5 games without Dan/Joey Crawford suxing the Heats dick.

KD playing in foul trouble every game, Westbrook scoring 43 points, getting fouled everytime hes in the paint, gets 3 FTA.

Wade/LeBron not getting touched, going to FT line.

We lost 5v8, I ain't even mad

The Heat owned the Thunder fair and square

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

OP exposing himself as a LeBron stan every thread he makes. Pretty hilarious.

[SHAQisGOAT]

OP doesn't know basic english.

OP never seen Bird playing (apart from those 3min highlight reels maybe).

OP knows nothing about basketball.

/thread

[WindmiLL]

right, cus accolades certainly means that you are better than someone from a different era of basketball.

:oldlol:


Hey, don't forget you're a Kobe stan. 5>whatever is your ''go to'' argument when your back is against the wall when debating Kobe and X player.

[TheReturn]

I'm not sure who actually was better, as I never saw Bird play.. But it's funny to me how, before LBJ got his accolades, fans of Bird would say his resume wasn't nearly good enough to compete.. And now that Bron has a pretty impressive resume, they say 'Bird had more skills' or 'You never watched Bird play', like it's all about the eye-test.

Lacks consistency.

Like I said, I don't know who was/is better.

[iTare]

Right now Bird is ranked higher; but when it's all said and done Bron will be recognized as the better player.

[diamenz]

because bird had more heart - a lot more heart. in addition to that, he didn't go play with magic. it's not all about stats - learn to truly measure a man.

[Greg Oden 50]

5 MVP
3 FMVP

He'll easily be better than bird :oldlol:
bird was a true leader unlike lebron james :no:

[Micku]

It's not really far fetched that LeBron James is a better player than Bird despite the ppl who are bashing the op.

We've seen them play at their prime to make a judgement so far in their career, though LeBron James is still in his prime and might get better. If you haven't seen Bird play, you can watch the tapes that you can find. Anyway, from what I've seen, Bird is a better passer (tho LeBron is very good himself), rebounder, post player, better off the ball, and shooter.

LeBron James is a better defender, better in the open court, and better finisher (one of the best there is at it).

Their games are also very far apart. They play completely different. So, it's up to personal preference on which one impacts their team better on offense. Defense it's LeBron, though Bird was an solid defender in the post and a very good help defender.

Even if you don't think that LeBron James is better than Bird was, LeBron may get more rewards and his career isn't over. He may get better than this.

With that said, the way the Spurs played LeBron in the Finals wouldn't work on Bird at all. I would assume they would have a much harder time defending peak Bird than they would LeBron, because Bird was more versatile on offense.

[AintNoSunshine]

:oldlol: @ those front like it's not even close, the only reason Bird is ahead of James is because he's not playing anymore.

I have Bird slightly over Lebron as of now, let they are very close

[juju151111]

OP doesn't know basic english.

OP never seen Bird playing (apart from those 3min highlight reels maybe).

OP knows nothing about basketball.

/thread
Pls explain your postion or Gtfo.

[FKAri]

I think it'll end up being Lebron. Bird's the better scorer and offensive player in general at his peak (an area I think Lebron is quite overrated in) but Lebron has a substantial defensive edge.

[KevinNYC]

Larry so pretty though.

[bizil]

Well peak value wise, these two are the best SF's of all time. GOAT wise, these two are the top two SF's of all time. For me, I would take Bron due to the versatility and defense. But one could very well say Bird due to shooting and of course clutch factor. But these two are so different AND YET so similar numbers wise. So u could go either way peak or GOAT wise and I wouldn't complain. But's INEVITABLE that Bron is gonna pass Bird GOAT wise, if he hasn't already. Lebron at ONLY 28 years old has already played damn just as many years as Bird did in his career. Bird had a relatively short career when u think about. It wasn't like he played 16 years in the L. He only played 13 years and 11 healthy ones at that (at least 60 games in a season).

[Micku]

Well peak value wise, these two are the best SF's of all time. GOAT wise, these two are the top two SF's of all time. For me, I would take Bron due to the versatility and defense. But one could very well say Bird due to shooting and of course clutch factor. But these two are so different AND YET so similar numbers wise. So u could go either way peak or GOAT wise and I wouldn't complain. But's INEVITABLE that Bron is gonna pass Bird GOAT wise, if he hasn't already. Lebron at ONLY 28 years old has already played damn just as many years as Bird did in his career. Bird had a relatively short career when u think about. It wasn't like he played 16 years in the L. He only played 13 years and 11 healthy ones at that (at least 60 games in a season).


I actually think that Bird is more versatile on the offensive side due to his off ball movement, better mid range and post moves while LeBron is better and more versatile on the defensive side.

But you're right. Both are the best SFs ever. I think LeBron would be considered better than Larry Bird when his career is over. Bird had a very short career in comparison. With that said in terms of level of play, I think you can go with either or.

[BruceLeeBowen]

Not yet but its getting harder every year not to include Lebron in the top 10. What's scary is, Lebron is not even in his 30s, yet he can already be argued in the top10.:applause:

[Leftimage]

Pls explain your postion or Gtfo.

Come on, dude. It's than not then. So ****ing easy to remember, why do people make this mistake so often?

As for your other points, I isn't be criticizing yo.

[LAZERUSS]

We gon act like Tragic Johnson didn't choke away a title to the Celtics in 84? It happens. Teams choke and the other team makes plays to win. Part of game 6 was the Heat comeback in the fourth quarter (fueled by Lebron)

Yep. When "Tragic" had a bad series, it was terrible. All he did in that series was lead LA in rebounding, averaged 13.6 apg, scored 18.1 ppg, and shot .573 from the field (while Bird shot .488 and KAJ shot .481 BTW.)

[juju151111]

Yep. When "Tragic" had a bad series, it was terrible. All he did in that series was lead LA in rebounding, averaged 13.6 apg, scored 18.1 ppg, and shot .573 from the field (while Bird shot .488 and KAJ shot .481 BTW.)
Lol agreed and why are people acting like Bird didn't have some stink playoff series. He started having amazing ones in 84. He still shot bad in 85. Got raped in 88. Bird doesn't have a case over LJ

[Euroleague]

Probably because he was better.

[juju151111]

Probably because he was better.
At what exactly? Read the whole thread and have yet to see anyone post any concrete evidence. Just people talking nonesense because they realized Larry Bird has nothing ovee LJ.

[Stringer Bell]

Yep. When "Tragic" had a bad series, it was terrible. All he did in that series was lead LA in rebounding, averaged 13.6 apg, scored 18.1 ppg, and shot .573 from the field (while Bird shot .488 and KAJ shot .481 BTW.)

Worthy was really the one who choked away game 2. Magic messed up by not knowing the time but the game shouldn't have been tied in the first place.

Worthy was having a great game too, up to that point.