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Connor B
11-20-2013, 02:15 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3456/

What a joke. He is not even in the top 15 point guards. He has had three weeks to have one all-star game, and he hasn't. He is not a good shooter, he doesn't facilitate enough. The Bulls will never win a title with Rose as their best player.

noob cake
11-20-2013, 02:17 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3456/

What a joke. He is not even in the top 15 point guards. He has had three weeks to have one all-star game, and he hasn't. He is not a good shooter, he doesn't facilitate enough. The Bulls will never win a title with Rose as their best player.

Muscle memory takes years to build back up, kinda like shooting touch. No lies.

Budadiiii
11-20-2013, 02:18 PM
What is with all the D-Rose hate?

Did this dude sodomize your dead grandfather or something? Christ

HoopsFanNumero1
11-20-2013, 02:19 PM
Pre-season GOAT.

Connor B
11-20-2013, 02:20 PM
What is with all the D-Rose hate?

Did this dude sodomize your dead grandfather or something? Christ

He is the most overhyped player in recent NBA history.

imdaman99
11-20-2013, 02:23 PM
Give him time. He doesn't heal like Goatbrook. Different injuries anyway.

leMVP
11-20-2013, 02:26 PM
And unfortunately he will be the starting PG for the East in the ASG.

Ridiculous.

Budadiiii
11-20-2013, 02:33 PM
He is the most overhyped player in recent NBA history.
He's also socially awkward.

russwest0
11-20-2013, 02:34 PM
Give him time. He doesn't heal like Goatbrook. Different injuries anyway.

How much more time does this niqqa need?

Connor B
11-20-2013, 02:36 PM
And unfortunately he will be the starting PG for the East in the ASG.

Ridiculous.

It should be Teague or a healthy Rondo.

kNIOKAS
11-20-2013, 02:38 PM
Muscle memory takes years to build back up, kinda like shooting touch. No lies.
Is there a thing such as muscle memory? Do you rather mean motoric skills?

themurph
11-20-2013, 02:45 PM
In this thread is strong...

Sarcastic
11-20-2013, 02:56 PM
The season is not even a month old. If he's still shooting this bad in April, then there will be a problem.

leMVP
11-20-2013, 03:23 PM
It should be Teague or a healthy Rondo.

Should, but the idiotic fans will give him the starting spot for sure.

Glide2keva
11-20-2013, 05:15 PM
SInce when does PER matter? :confusedshrug:

Chicago Brawls
11-20-2013, 05:27 PM
I thought post-season was all that mattered?

:confusedshrug:

Bigsmoke
11-20-2013, 05:31 PM
and the Bulls are still beating ****** :confusedshrug:

Jakeh008
11-20-2013, 05:43 PM
According to ESPN trade machine if you trade Jordan Hill Nash and Blake for DRose...

Lakers will lose 16 extra games this year and the Bull will win +15

305Baller
11-20-2013, 05:43 PM
Rose putting up Marbury numbers

TheReturn
11-20-2013, 05:57 PM
#3 seed in the east and we not even playing well.. Worry about your own teams ph*ggots! :roll: :roll: :roll:

Nuff Said
11-20-2013, 05:57 PM
Is there a thing such as muscle memory? Do you rather mean motoric skills?

Is there such thing as motoric?

Doranku
11-20-2013, 06:50 PM
SInce when does PER matter? :confusedshrug:

It does when you're a player 2 years removed from winning MVP and it's in the f*cking single digits. :oldlol:

KyrieTheFuture
11-20-2013, 06:52 PM
#3 seed in the east and we not even playing well.. Worry about your own teams ph*ggots! :roll: :roll: :roll:

So you're admitting your stacked?

DMAVS41
11-20-2013, 06:52 PM
SInce when does PER matter? :confusedshrug:

It always has...it's just certain fan bases don't like objective measures of impact. End all be all? Of course not, but it's a pretty good indicator of production when you compare like with like.

Really hope you aren't one of those that thinks it's invalid because a guy playing 8 minutes per game or something leads the league in PER...

TheReturn
11-20-2013, 06:57 PM
So you're admitting your stacked?
Maybe other players are playing above their average right now, who cares? I'm happy as long as we're winning. Too many player-fans on ISH, who prefer it when their favorite player goes for 45 but they lose over a win where their favorite player is inefficient or only scores 12 points. I could care less. I'm all for Boozer getting his touches, or Jimmy or Taj having a great night.

DMAVS41
11-20-2013, 06:58 PM
So you're admitting your stacked?


:lol :cheers: :applause:

KyrieTheFuture
11-20-2013, 07:00 PM
Maybe other players are playing above their average right now, who cares? I'm happy as long as we're winning. Too many player-fans on ISH, who prefer it when their favorite player goes for 45 but they lose over a win where their favorite player is inefficient or only scores 12 points. I could care less. I'm all for Boozer getting his touches, or Jimmy or Taj having a great night.

Says the man whose user title is dedicated to one player.

RoundMoundOfReb
11-20-2013, 07:00 PM
Says the man whose user title is dedicated to one player.
ether :roll:

TheReturn
11-20-2013, 07:01 PM
Also, I don't see the negativity, or fun in calling other teams 'stacked'. Hell I'd much rather be stacked than be in the situation the Bobcats are in, where you barely have any NBA talent. How the hell is your team being stacked a bad thing as a fan lmfao. Gives us a great opportunity to win games.

KyrieTheFuture
11-20-2013, 07:03 PM
Also, I don't see the negativity, or fun in calling other teams 'stacked'. Hell I'd much rather be stacked than be in the situation the Bobcats are in, where you barely have any NBA talent. How the hell is your team being stacked a bad thing as a fan lmfao. Gives us a great opportunity to win games.

So then explain your posts about the Miami Heat.

TheReturn
11-20-2013, 07:03 PM
Says the man whose user title is dedicated to one player.
It might be more useful to read my posts than base your opinion on me as a poster on my username. But I'm sure that 'ether' is the end of this debate and you'll be feeling like a champ. :cheers:

KyrieTheFuture
11-20-2013, 07:06 PM
It might be more useful to read my posts than base your opinion on me as a poster on my username. But I'm sure that 'ether' is the end of this debate and you'll be feeling like a champ. :cheers:

This isn't a debate I'm just wondering why you've changed your tune as a poster so much since Rose came back. Couldn't have anything to do with his play.

EDIT: Totally confused you with SamuraiSwish and NathanJizzle mah bad

TheReturn
11-20-2013, 07:06 PM
So then explain your posts about the Miami Heat.
Wanna quote me, because I'm not one of those Bulls fans who continuously hates on Miami. I like the Heat, they play great basketball. You see I'm not like most of the posters on here, because I'm not actually from one of those NBA cities, so I don't get into all the hatred, unless I just don't like the way a team plays.

DMAVS41
11-20-2013, 07:06 PM
Also, I don't see the negativity, or fun in calling other teams 'stacked'. Hell I'd much rather be stacked than be in the situation the Bobcats are in, where you barely have any NBA talent. How the hell is your team being stacked a bad thing as a fan lmfao. Gives us a great opportunity to win games.

It's great. Just don't pretend like it isn't to prop up the impact of Rose. Not saying you do this, but many others do.

I just don't know how much more evidence we all need.

Rose has definitely been a negative thus far...or at the very least below average... and the Bulls are still 6-3.

So you've got a 55 win pace without him in 12. A 45 win pace despite many injuries in 13...and now 6-3 with a net negative/subpar Rose in 14.

Like seriously...what more will it take for Rose stans to acknowledge the fact that Rose's supporting cast is really good...something like a 50 win team without him good?

TheReturn
11-20-2013, 07:08 PM
This isn't a debate I'm just wondering why you've changed your tune as a poster so much since Rose came back. Couldn't have anything to do with his play.
Hey man, I love Rose's game and in anticipation of his return I might have said some things, but all in all I'd say my tune as a poster has been pretty consistent.

TheReturn
11-20-2013, 07:09 PM
It's great. Just don't pretend like it isn't to prop up the impact of Rose. Not saying you do this, but many others do.

I just don't know how much more evidence we all need.

Rose has definitely been a negative thus far...or at the very least below average... and the Bulls are still 6-3.

So you've got a 55 win pace without him in 12. A 45 win pace despite many injuries in 13...and now 6-3 with a net negative/subpar Rose in 14.

Like seriously...what more will it take for Rose stans to acknowledge the fact that Rose's supporting cast is really good...something like a 50 win team without him good?
They won what, 45 games last year? They beat a pretty decent Nets team without some other starters than just Rose. I'd say we're a pretty good team yeah.

inclinerator
11-20-2013, 07:13 PM
well he did say he could care less about fg percentages

avonbarksdale
11-20-2013, 07:19 PM
rudy gay 21/8/2 38%


gay >>>>> rose

kNIOKAS
11-21-2013, 12:29 PM
Is there such thing as motoric?
Yes, it's a scientific term, not like "muscle memory". There's no memory in muscles, they are wired through CNS. Check it out

BlackVVaves
11-21-2013, 12:33 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3456/

What a joke. He is not even in the top 15 point guards. He has had three weeks to have one all-star game, and he hasn't. He is not a good shooter, he doesn't facilitate enough. The Bulls will never win a title with Rose as their best player.

Have you ever, ever, played organized basketball before? Do you know what being away from the game for a year and a half, and then returning, is like?

No. I'm guessing not. If you expect Rose's transition to simply take 10 games, you are either ignorant, grossly driven by agenda, or both.

Lebron23
11-21-2013, 12:36 PM
I think Rose is done as an elite NBA player.

nathanjizzle
11-21-2013, 01:01 PM
It's great. Just don't pretend like it isn't to prop up the impact of Rose. Not saying you do this, but many others do.

I just don't know how much more evidence we all need.

Rose has definitely been a negative thus far...or at the very least below average... and the Bulls are still 6-3.

So you've got a 55 win pace without him in 12. A 45 win pace despite many injuries in 13...and now 6-3 with a net negative/subpar Rose in 14.

Like seriously...what more will it take for Rose stans to acknowledge the fact that Rose's supporting cast is really good...something like a 50 win team without him good?

actually, if you go off box score instead of watching the game, you would think hes been a negative impact but hes really been a positive impact. you know i watch the game vs's you watching box scores.

your 55 win pace again is all hypothetical not what actually happened in reality. what happened in reality is the bulls with rose winning best records 2 consecutive seasons with a ECF appearance and without rose were eliminated in the first and second round with irrelevant records. i believe the bulls without rose is between 46-54 win team. and they should make it out the first round, but that is it. that is a mediocre team when you compare it to a bulls team with rose.

Nuff Said
11-21-2013, 01:11 PM
Yes, it's a scientific term, not like "muscle memory". There's no memory in muscles, they are wired through CNS. Check it out

Oh ok. Whether the term "muscle memory" is incorrectly worded or not, the concept is still true. I don't think it fits in rose's case but definitely when it comes to something like military training. You teach yourself to do something over and over again so that it becomes automatic when that scenario pops up in real life. That's the whole idea of muscle memory. Semantics.

secund2nun
11-21-2013, 01:18 PM
So you're admitting your stacked?

No way. Rose carries that team. His intense post defense, rebounding, and ultra efficient scoring is the reason for that team's success. This guy is a legit superstar. His classic 8-24 25 point performances are UNSTOPPABLE. This kid is way better than Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, and Karl Malone. Superstar. I know this because ESPN told me so. They can never lie.

nathanjizzle
11-21-2013, 01:20 PM
No way. Rose carries that team. His intense post defense, rebounding, and ultra efficient scoring is the reason for that team's success. This guy is a legit superstar. His classic 8-24 25 point performances are UNSTOPPABLE. This kid is way better than Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, and Karl Malone. Superstar. I know this because ESPN told me so. They can never lie.

your bias for big dominate players shows again. think deeper about the dynamic of basketball not just brute basketball. idiot

RRR3
11-21-2013, 01:20 PM
Mario Chalmers: 10.0 PPG/2.8 RPG/5.2 APG/2.2 SPG/0.1 BPG on .449/.528/.875. Per 36: 13.1/3.7/6.8/2.9/0.1. PER: 17.9


Derrick Rose: 15.0/2.9/4.5/0.4/0.1 on .344/.325/.875. Per 36: 17.2/3.3/5.2/0.4/0.1. PER: 6.2





:lol

secund2nun
11-21-2013, 01:20 PM
I think Rose is done as an elite NBA player.

He was never elite.

nathanjizzle
11-21-2013, 01:22 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v214/xwikdx/cc26652f34248cf5599d3b672b23063e.jpg

:oldlol:

nathanjizzle
11-21-2013, 01:22 PM
He was never elite.

stupid

RoundMoundOfReb
11-21-2013, 01:24 PM
stupid
Not really. Depends on your definition of elite. He was never a top 5 player.

DMAVS41
11-21-2013, 01:26 PM
actually, if you go off box score instead of watching the game, you would think hes been a negative impact but hes really been a positive impact. you know i watch the game vs's you watching box scores.

your 55 win pace again is all hypothetical not what actually happened in reality. what happened in reality is the bulls with rose winning best records 2 consecutive seasons with a ECF appearance and without rose were eliminated in the first and second round with irrelevant records. i believe the bulls without rose is between 46-54 win team. and they should make it out the first round, but that is it. that is a mediocre team when you compare it to a bulls team with rose.

I have watched the games...and Rose has been poor this year. Just a fact. He's been a below average player...watching, stats, comparisons...everything suggests that to date.


And for once, we agree. The Bulls are a 46 to 54 win team without him. What you don't understand is how good that is for a supporting cast. If a team can win around 50 and a playoff series without their best player...they are really ****ing good.

Of course Rose makes them a ton better. He's really good!!!!!! And he addresses their weaknesses directly... You act like I'm saying Rose is a bum. Never said that at all. I've said he adds 12 to 18 wins a year to that team! That is a lot.

nathanjizzle
11-21-2013, 01:26 PM
Not really. Depends on your definition of elite. He was never a top 5 player.

he was a top 5 player if not 3.:facepalm name your top 5 players for that season.

RRR3
11-21-2013, 01:27 PM
Will wait until Rose can start outplaying Mario Chalmers.

RoundMoundOfReb
11-21-2013, 01:29 PM
he was a top 5 player if not 3.:facepalm name your top 5 players for that season.

In no order:

LeBron
Dwight
Durant
Dirk
Paul
Wade


were all better.

RRR3
11-21-2013, 01:30 PM
In no order:

LeBron
Dwight
Durant
Dirk
Paul
Wade


were all better.
Kobe too.

RoundMoundOfReb
11-21-2013, 01:30 PM
Kobe too.
Yeah, arguably.

Legends66NBA7
11-21-2013, 01:38 PM
This guy is a legit superstar. His classic 8-24 25 point performances are UNSTOPPABLE. This kid is way better than Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, and Karl Malone.

It's funny you bring up Malone.

He had a 3-16 game in his 99 MVP year in an elimination game. Another one where he went 6-19.

Not saying Rose better than him, just funny of using him as any form of crutch in terms of efficiency, when his scoring stats dipped come playoff time.

DMAVS41
11-21-2013, 01:39 PM
he was a top 5 player if not 3.:facepalm name your top 5 players for that season.

Nah, he really wasn't.

He deserved MVP and I argued for him all year, but he was clearly not a top 5 player.

Paul, Dirk, Lebron, Durant, Howard...were all clearly better. I also see no reason to put Rose over Wade or Kobe in 11 either.

Wade was a 26/6/5 player on 58% TS that played better defense than Rose. Seriously...why is Rose better than Wade in 11?

Not sure he was better than Westbrook either. I mean...was he really definitely better than Amare in 11?...LOL

nathanjizzle
11-21-2013, 02:05 PM
Nah, he really wasn't.

He deserved MVP and I argued for him all year, but he was clearly not a top 5 player.

Paul, Dirk, Lebron, Durant, Howard...were all clearly better. I also see no reason to put Rose over Wade or Kobe in 11 either.

Wade was a 26/6/5 player on 58% TS that played better defense than Rose. Seriously...why is Rose better than Wade in 11?

Not sure he was better than Westbrook either. I mean...was he really definitely better than Amare in 11?...LOL


see, this is why you guys are misinformed going off a basic box score and claiming these guys performed better than rose. i had to calculate some stats to give you guys some more in depth understanding of how these players performed in 2011. What better way to judge a players performance on what they do against elite teams right? elite teams that season whiche were top 4 in each conference. Lakers, OKC, mavericks and spurs, bulls heat orlando boston.

rose averaged 28.5 points and 7 assists while having something of a 14-7 record

wade averaged 21.4 points 4.1 assists and had a 8-11

but somehow wade is considered the better performer in 2011 and "elite" where as rose wasnt "elite" and was less effective for their teams.

:confusedshrug:
this is what happens when you are 3 years removed from the season you are debating, you forget what actually happened in the season and debate in generalities. you just assume rather than take account what actually happened that season

RoundMoundOfReb
11-21-2013, 02:07 PM
Please stop with those stupid stats vs top 8 teams. :facepalm

DMAVS41
11-21-2013, 02:07 PM
see, this is why you guys are misinformed going off a basic box score and claiming these guys performed better than rose. i had to calculate some stats to give you guys some more in depth understanding of how these players performed in 2011. What better way to judge a players performance on what they do against elite teams right? elite teams that season whiche were top 4 in each conference. Lakers, OKC, mavericks and spurs, bulls heat orlando boston.

rose averaged 28.5 points and 7 assists while having something of a 14-7 record

wade averaged 21.4 points 4.1 assists and had a 8-11

but somehow wade is considered the better performer in 2011 and "elite" where as rose wasnt "elite" and was less effective for their teams.

:confusedshrug:
this is what happens when you are 3 years removed from the season you are debating, you forget what actually happened in the season and debate in generalities. you just assume rather than take account what actually happened that season


Nobody cares about that...only Rose fans get together and circle jerk to these arbitrary stats...

LOL

nathanjizzle
11-21-2013, 02:12 PM
here are the stats anyway if you dont want to believe, i can do westbrook, amare if you really believed rose wasnt better than them :facepalm

wade
13 6 0
26 3 1
8 3 0
18 5 0
22 5 0
22 7 0
18 6 1
33 4 0
32 2 1
14 1 1
16 4 0
34 2 1
28 5 0
19 1 0
20 5 0
20 5 1
29 4 1
21 2 0
14 8 1

407

21.4 4.1 8-11

nathanjizzle
11-21-2013, 02:14 PM
Nobody cares about that...only Rose fans get together and circle jerk to these arbitrary stats...

LOL

idiot.

DMAVS41
11-21-2013, 02:15 PM
here are the stats anyway if you dont want to believe, i can do westbrook, amare if you really believed rose wasnt better than them :facepalm

wade
13 6 0
26 3 1
8 3 0
18 5 0
22 5 0
22 7 0
18 6 1
33 4 0
32 2 1
14 1 1
16 4 0
34 2 1
28 5 0
19 1 0
20 5 0
20 5 1
29 4 1
21 2 0
14 8 1

407

21.4 4.1 8-11

Again...nobody cares about this except Rose fans. Nobody...

What people do care about?

Wade's 25/7/5 on 57% TS in the playoffs vs Roses's 27/4/8 on 50% TS


I'm not even arguing Wade over Rose. I'm saying it's a toss up...that Rose was absolutely not definitively better than Wade in 11.

DMAVS41
11-21-2013, 02:15 PM
idiot.

Nobody cares moron. It's cherry picking at it's finest.

nathanjizzle
11-21-2013, 02:15 PM
Please stop with those stupid stats vs top 8 teams. :facepalm

would you rather see stats against what they did against bum teams :roll: ohyea you guys are using stats against what players did against bum teams. you guys are idiots.

DMAVS41
11-21-2013, 02:16 PM
would you rather see stats against what they did against bum teams :roll: you guys are idiots.

We'd rather take it all into account. Not hard...

Dresta
11-21-2013, 02:17 PM
see, this is why you guys are misinformed going off a basic box score and claiming these guys performed better than rose. i had to calculate some stats to give you guys some more in depth understanding of how these players performed in 2011. What better way to judge a players performance on what they do against elite teams right? elite teams that season whiche were top 4 in each conference. Lakers, OKC, mavericks and spurs, bulls heat orlando boston.

rose averaged 28.5 points and 7 assists while having something of a 14-7 record

wade averaged 21.4 points 4.1 assists and had a 8-11

but somehow wade is considered the better performer in 2011 and "elite" where as rose wasnt "elite" and was less effective for their teams.

:confusedshrug:
this is what happens when you are 3 years removed from the season you are debating, you forget what actually happened in the season and debate in generalities. you just assume rather than take account what actually happened that season
And Wade got to the finals, where he was dominant, and would have won a chip if Lebron hadn't vanished off the face of the earth.

Wade was playing on a completely new team that season, and it took some time to adjust. And surely if you are comparing offensive stats you would choose averages against the top 8 defensive teams in the league (what made you choose 8 as well? stop with pulling these selective stats out of your ass to justify your God Rose).

Taking both sides of the ball into account, Rose should probably have been all-NBA 3rd team that year. Yet he won MVP :lol

Now people are seeing how absurd that was, finally.

RoundMoundOfReb
11-21-2013, 02:18 PM
In the playoffs "top 8" stats:

Wade:

25.3 ppg 4.1 apg 50%

Rose:

23.4 ppg 6.6 apg 35%

nathanjizzle
11-21-2013, 02:20 PM
Again...nobody cares about this except Rose fans. Nobody...

What people do care about?

Wade's 25/7/5 on 57% TS in the playoffs vs Roses's 27/4/8 on 50% TS


I'm not even arguing Wade over Rose. I'm saying it's a toss up...that Rose was absolutely not definitively better than Wade in 11.

well thats your opinion, actually when you say rose fans, ive never seen any other rose fan post it so their you go generalizing again:facepalm

so you want to argue who played better in that season, then only use stats from the playoffs to compare the player that season then call my stats cherry picking :roll: idiot.

DMAVS41
11-21-2013, 02:20 PM
would you rather see stats against what they did against bum teams :roll: ohyea you guys are using stats against what players did against bum teams. you guys are idiots.

Nah...we just care more about this;

6 of 28 from the field
1 of 9 from three

What are those? Rose's 4th qtr numbers in the ECF...

Trust me...we haven't forgotten...we remember perfectly watching Rose throw up all over himself on the big stage when he shot his team out of the series and choked at the ft line multiple times

Sorry...we care more about than some arbitrary regular season stat...

RoundMoundOfReb
11-21-2013, 02:21 PM
In the playoffs "top 8" stats:

Wade:

25.3 ppg 4.1 apg 50%

Rose:

23.4 ppg 6.6 apg 35%

Respond to this nathanjizzle.

DMAVS41
11-21-2013, 02:22 PM
well thats your opinion, actually when you say rose fans, ive never seen any other rose fan post it so their you go generalizing again:facepalm

so you want to argue who played better in that season, then only use stats from the playoffs to compare the player that season then call my stats cherry picking :roll: idiot.

I posted the regular season stats as well.

Rose was not a better player than Wade in 11. You can call them even if you want. I'd disagree, but have no problem with it.

But calling Rose better than Wade in 11 just doesn't work given the evidence.

DMAVS41
11-21-2013, 02:22 PM
Respond to this nathanjizzle.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

nathanjizzle
11-21-2013, 02:24 PM
We'd rather take it all into account. Not hard...

but youre not, you just said you didnt give a **** about what the players did against elite competition. and like i said, you want to account for diluted stats against the bucks and wizards? go right ahead if it fits your bill. im just trying to show you guys why rose was considered better than those players you are listing, because flat out he performed better when it mattered.

DMAVS41
11-21-2013, 02:26 PM
but youre not, you just said you didnt give a **** about what the players did against elite competition. and like i said, you want to account for diluted stats against the bucks and wizards? go right ahead if it fits your bill. im just trying to show you guys why rose was considered better than those players you are listing, because flat out he performed better when it mattered.

What? When it mattered? The dude choked when it mattered;

6 of 28 from the field
1 of 9 from three

What are those? Rose's 4th qtr numbers in the ECF...

Nobody cares about the regular season as much as Rose fans do...nobody!

Dresta
11-21-2013, 02:26 PM
but youre not, you just said you didnt give a **** about what the players did against elite competition. and like i said, you want to account for diluted stats against the bucks and wizards? go right ahead if it fits your bill. im just trying to show you guys why rose was considered better than those players you are listing, because flat out he performed better when it mattered.
Like in the playoffs, right? (All regular season games matter the same, you should know)


:roll:

KingBeasley08
11-21-2013, 02:50 PM
Stats against top 8 teams has to be the most arbitrary thing ever. All regular season games are equal :lol

If you want to show a player that comes up big, you move to the postseason.

Legends66NBA7
11-21-2013, 03:00 PM
Stats against top 8 teams has to be the most arbitrary thing ever. All regular season games are equal :lol

I agree it's arbitrary, but no way are all regular season games equal.

KingBeasley08
11-21-2013, 03:45 PM
I agree it's arbitrary, but no way are all regular season games equal.
They def are. 1 game is the same as 1 game no matter what. All regular season games are ultimately the pre-req for the playoffs. Playoffs is a different stage

97 bulls
11-21-2013, 03:47 PM
Maybe other players are playing above their average right now, who cares? I'm happy as long as we're winning. Too many player-fans on ISH, who prefer it when their favorite player goes for 45 but they lose over a win where their favorite player is inefficient or only scores 12 points. I could care less. I'm all for Boozer getting his touches, or Jimmy or Taj having a great night.
Preach brotha. Ive been arguing this for the longest. Im convinced that a large portion of the people that frequent this site are fans of players not teams.

97 bulls
11-21-2013, 03:51 PM
What? When it mattered? The dude choked when it mattered;

6 of 28 from the field
1 of 9 from three

What are those? Rose's 4th qtr numbers in the ECF...

Nobody cares about the regular season as much as Rose fans do...nobody!
He didn't choke. Granted he played bad, but that had more to do with hiw the Heat played him. And the fact that his teammates werent hitting their shots.

DMAVS41
11-21-2013, 04:06 PM
He didn't choke. Granted he played bad, but that had more to do with hiw the Heat played him. And the fact that his teammates werent hitting their shots.

It's choking when you miss more than 1 hugely important ft in a closely fought series like Rose did.

It's choking when you play the 4th qtrs that much worse than the rest of the game in closely fought games.

1:10.0 D. Rose misses free throw 1 of 2 84-85
0:26.7 81-80 D. Rose misses free throw 2 of 2

That is choking...shooting 22% in the 4th. Missing all the big shots. Missing two huge free throws? What the **** is choking if that isn't choking?

Anytime you consistently perform worse in crunch time and miss multiple huge free throws in a series...it's choking. If Rose only did it once, then it's not choking...that shit happens. But to go an entire series like Rose did in the 4th...and miss shots at the line...that's choking.

kNIOKAS
11-21-2013, 04:14 PM
Oh ok. Whether the term "muscle memory" is incorrectly worded or not, the concept is still true. I don't think it fits in rose's case but definitely when it comes to something like military training. You teach yourself to do something over and over again so that it becomes automatic when that scenario pops up in real life. That's the whole idea of muscle memory. Semantics.
That would rather be called automatization [of a motoric activity], which is more durable and less prone to diminishing - that readiness to perform a habitual action does stay for a longer time.



Word memory implies it's there somewhere, you just have to recall. It's not neccessary that, I think it's more of re-learning and re-acquiring skill which has diminished over time, maybe a little faster but it's not a recall by itself.

You might be using term memory to not say the player X is now garbage and pay respects to his former performance level, but that stance is misleading. Automatization or habitualization... probably would be the best terms.