Top 10 PG's 2013-14

[scm5]

Now that we've seen how Rose and Westbrook have come back from their injuries, how would you rank the PG's in the NBA?

My list:

1. Chris Paul
2. Stephen Curry
3. Russell Westbrook
4. Tony Parker
5. Deron Williams
6. John Wall
7. Mike Conley
8. Kyrie Irving
9. Jeff Teague
10. Ricky Rubio

Injuries have plagued the PG position so far this season.

I have Curry above Westbrook because Curry is a better floor general and scorer. He provides a lot more than shows up on the stat sheets because of his spacing. He's also the only player in the league teams double 3-4 feet behind the 3 point line.

Deron has been hurt and it's evident that his talent is still there even through the limited minutes he's been getting.

I have Wall above Kyrie. Don't kill me. Kyrie is a better scorer, but Wall is a much better floor general and defender.

I still have Rondo pretty high because he's a crafty player and I don't think he would be as hampered by his ACL injury as Rose....

Which brings me to Rose. I love Rose's game. He's one of my favorite players to watch. I realize it's still early in the season but he's definitely not close to being the player he used to be. His athleticism is still clearly at an elite level so hopefully it's just a matter of being rusty from not playing in over a year.

What's your list?

EDIT: Took Rondo off because we have no idea how he'll come back.

[Genaro]

10 games into the season don't change my opinion prior to the season:
CP3
Goatbrook
Parker
Curry
Rondo

[NugzFan]

No Lawson?

[QuebecBaller]

No Jeff Teague?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

No Felton?

[Real Men Wear Green]

I'm a big Rondo fan but how do you completely take Rose off for his injury but rate Rondo who hasn't even played because of his injury? Even when he comes back he's not just going to step on the court and immediately get 15 12 and 5.

[Teanett]

derron williams has been mediocre at best so far this season.

[Purch]

D-will? You cant talk about underperforming guards without mentioning his name

[inclinerator]

jeremy lin

[CanYouDigIt]

No Beverley??

[FKAri]

Jeffrey Teague

[scm5]

Shit, I forgot about Teague. I would put him above Rubio.

I think Lawson is on a bad team and has inflated stats. That, plus he's a defensive liability.

As for Rondo, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on his ACL injury because he's a crafty player, relies less on his athleticism, and he's a ****ing warrior. He can play through pretty serious injuries.

[russwest0]

If Russell Westbrook isn't #1 then you know nothing about basketball

[scm5]

D-will? You cant talk about underperforming guards without mentioning his name

Dwill has been injured all season long. They've been limiting his minutes and he just sprained his bad ankle again.

His talent is still there and he's doing alright when he gets minutes.

[scm5]

If Russell Westbrook isn't #1 then you know nothing about basketball

By your flawless logic, most people don't know anything about basketball then.

[uber]

No Felton?

:lol

[Real Men Wear Green]

As for Rondo, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on his ACL injury because he's a crafty player, relies less on his athleticism, and he's a ****ing warrior. He can play through pretty serious injuries.
He's as smart as there is in the NBA today but his game is still built on athleticism. He's not Mark Jackson, pre-injury he was one of the leagues fastest and quickest guards. What points he scores come from either his ability to beat defenders off the dribble or hitting jumpers on defenses that would much rather face his shot than his drive. And on defense of course quickness helps him stay in front of his man, press full court and gamble for steals. He's not going to be the same guy immediately upon return.

[Inferno]

Damian Lillard?

[imdaman99]

I guess it's safe to say that the POINT GUARD position is in its all-time peak.

[The JKidd Kid]

D-will? You cant talk about underperforming guards without mentioning his name

Injured not really underperforming, the one game he played when he was fully healthy he put up 17 and 10 on 50%

[NugzFan]

Shit, I forgot about Teague. I would put him above Rubio.

I think Lawson is on a bad team and has inflated stats. That, plus he's a defensive liability.

.

Lawson's team has a Better record than 3 pg's teams in your top 10

[Haks]

1.cp3
2.curry
3.westbrook
4.parker
5.irving
6.wall
7.conley
8.jeff T
9.lawson
10.Lillard
Deron is trASH

[moe94]

And the overrating of Curry continues...

[brandonislegend]

The underrating of Conley continues...

[Inferno]

1.cp3
2.curry
3.westbrook
4.parker
5.irving
6.wall
7.conley
8.jeff T
9.lawson
10.Rose
Deron is trASH

Rose over Lillard?

[Haks]

Rose over Lillard?
wHOA i knew i frogot someone

[scm5]

Lawson's team has a Better record than 3 pg's teams in your top 10

Deron has been injured all season and the Nets have more options than him. Denver relies on Lawson and he's had a hot start, but I don't think he's better than any of the other PG's on my list.

Kyrie is one of the few PG's on the list that gets doubled. I guess it's more of my "eye test", but Kyrie is just better than Lawson.

Wall's team is doing worse than Lawson's but Wall is one of the few PG's that plays solid defense, that puts him over Lawson on my list.

[scm5]

1.cp3
2.curry
3.westbrook
4.parker
5.irving
6.wall
7.conley
8.jeff T
9.lawson
10.Lillard
Deron is trASH

Deron isn't trash, he's just hurt. I respect people's opinions to keep him off the Top 10, but I like him on mine because he's a proven star, just injured. I like your list, but Lillard and Lawson are not better than Rondo. I don't expect the ACL injury to slow down Rondo that much. I could be wrong, but I think someone as skilled/crafty as Rondo is less likely to be affected by a major injury.

[kurple]

lawson is top 5 offensively this season, and great PG defense is impossible in todays game. PG's aint able to stop the other

lawson is easily top 10 overall

[scm5]

lawson is top 5 offensively this season, and great PG defense is impossible in todays game. PG's aint able to stop the other

lawson is easily top 10 overall

I'm inclined to say that Lawson's defense is worse than Kyrie's. That speaks volumes on how bad his defense is.

[brandonislegend]

1.cp3
2.curry
3.westbrook
4.conley
5.parker
6.irving
7.lawson
8.teague
9.wall
10.rose

this season....

[Inferno]

1.cp3
2.curry
3.westbrook
4.conley
5.parker
6.irving
7.lawson
8.teague
9.wall
10.rose

this season....

Rose over Lillard?

[Haks]

Deron isn't trash, he's just hurt. I respect people's opinions to keep him off the Top 10, but I like him on mine because he's a proven star, just injured. I like your list, but Lillard and Lawson are not better than Rondo. I don't expect the ACL injury to slow down Rondo that much. I could be wrong, but I think someone as skilled/crafty as Rondo is less likely to be affected by a major injury.
I am A HUUGE rondo fan but he has no right to be in this current top 10 because we dont know how he will play. But Deron say what you want about injuries and everything he hasnt been a top 10 pg so far this season and thats why he isnt on here (and cuz hes trash)

[scm5]

I am A HUUGE rondo fan but he has no right to be in this current top 10 because we dont know how he will play. But Deron say what you want about injuries and everything he hasnt been a top 10 pg so far this season and thats why he isnt on here (and cuz hes trash)

Fine. If I were to take off Rondo, I would probably replace him with Rubio over Lawson.

Rubio is a good defender and floor general, he just can't score. Lawson is such a liability on defense.

[TheReturn]

Good call on Teague, he's been really impressive.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Came in here expecting a top 10 list based purely on this season.

Leaving disappointed.

[RedBlackAttack]

I would have had a hard time putting Kyrie as high as some of you guys based on this year alone prior to his masterpiece on Saturday... But, that was a huge game and a huge moment. If the Cavs lose in Washington and fall to 3-8, the free-fall could be bottomless. Second night of a back-to-back, on the road, down by 7 points late in the game...

They needed a win in the worst way and he stepped up. Took the game over and got the win. He's had a pretty rough season so far, though.

Still... I guess 21/7/4 isn't too shabby for a slow start. And, regardless, there isn't another young PG I'd take over him.

As for the list, the only thing I know for sure is that CP3 is No. 1. After that, it's debatable. I like Curry a lot as a player, but he's become the new flavor of the month. He went from underrated to overrated in a flash.

[Haks]

I would have had a hard time putting Kyrie as high as some of you guys based on this year alone prior to his masterpiece on Saturday... But, that was a huge game and a huge moment. If the Cavs lose to the Wizards and fall to 3-8, the free-fall could be bottomless.

They needed a win in the worst way and he stepped up. He's had a pretty rough season so far, though.

Still... I guess 21/7/4 isn't too shabby for a slow start. And, regardless, there isn't another young PG I'd take over him.

As for the list, the only thing I know for sure is that CP3 is No. 1. After that, it's debatable. I like Curry a lot as a player, but he's become the new flavor of the month. He went from underrated to overrated in a flash.
Who has been better than him this season other than CP3

[brandonislegend]

Rose over Lillard?

How did I forget about him

1.cp3
2.curry
3.westbrook
4.conley
5.parker
6.irving
7.lillard
8.lawson
9.teague
10.wall

[JimmyMcAdocious]

I like Kyrie a lot, but if the the second best PG in the league this season (based on the 10 or so games played) is shooting sub-40%, then the strength of this era is overstated.

[Project018]

I'm going to try ranking by tier b/c some of these guys are pretty much interchangeable. These are mine for the season SO FAR. Subject to change

Tier 1 - CP3, Curry, Westbrook, Parker

Tier 2 - Lillard, Teague, Irving, Wall

Tier 3 - Lawson, Conely,

Outside looking in - Rose, Deron (Expect both to get better), Rubio, Kemba

[moe94]

I'm going to try ranking by tier b/c some of these guys are pretty much interchangeable. These are mine for the season SO FAR. Subject to change

Tier 1 - CP3, Curry, Westbrook, Parker

Tier 2 - Lillard, Teague, Irving, Wall

Tier 3 - Lawson, Conely,

Outside looking in - Rose, Deron (Expect both to get better), Rubio, Kemba
Paul is in a tier all by himself, at this point.

[RedBlackAttack]

Who has been better than him this season other than CP3
He has an argument if you're only looking at the first couple weeks of this season. My statement wasn't so much directed at those who have him No. 2 on this particular list. I'm just saying, in general, I feel he's become a bit overrated.

I've seen some people insinuate that he is actually the second best PG in the league. I'd still take Westbrook and Parker over him. And, while I probably would have put him ahead of Irving last year, I thought they were pretty close... Just like they'll probably be at the end of this year.

Then, you have Conley playing out of his mind (shooting 50+% from the field).

Like I said, not necessarily arguing with those who have him high on this particular list... just a general statement.

[RedBlackAttack]

I like Kyrie a lot, but if the the second best PG in the league this season (based on the 10 or so games played) is shooting sub-40%, then the strength of this era is overstated.
Who had him ranked 2nd? That would be nonsense based on how he's played so far this season.

[andremiller07]

If it's based on this season how is Eric Bledsoe not in the top 10 his team Is 500. and he's playing both sides of the ball? He should be way ahead of Kyrie/Rose based on this season's play imo.

Have to find a spot for Bledsoe come on guys...

[moe94]

Who has been better than him this season other than CP3
Tony Parker has better stats and better record.

Also, Conley has better stats.

[Project018]

Paul is in a tier all by himself, at this point.

I can respect that

[Project018]

If it's based on this season how is Eric Bledsoe not in the top 10 his team Is 500. and he's playing both sides of the ball? He should be way ahead of Kyrie/Rose based on this season's play imo.

Have to find a spot for Bledsoe come on guys...

Totally forgot about him. deserves top 10 for sure

[Young X]

If we're talking about currently, why is Rose on any list? He's playing like a below average player right now. He's been one of the worst starters in the league so far.

[k0kakw0rld]

Lillard? :confusedshrug:

[andremiller07]

If we're talking about currently, why is Rose on any list? He's playing like a below average player right now. He's been one of the worst starters in the league so far.
This, Isaiah Thomas has blown him out the water in terms of production this season and he's not top 10.

[RedBlackAttack]

If it's based on this season how is Eric Bledsoe not in the top 10 his team Is 500. and he's playing both sides of the ball? He should be way ahead of Kyrie/Rose based on this season's play imo.

Have to find a spot for Bledsoe come on guys...
I have to admit... I knew he was playing well, but I had no idea how well, statistically speaking. Wow.

[andremiller07]

I have to admit... I knew he was playing well, but I had no idea how well, statistically speaking. Wow.
To me what's more impressive is the Suns when he plays are 5-4 (lost 1 without him) and he's a two way player, I don't really look all that much into stats they are secondary for me but yeah he's been beasting no doubt.

[scm5]

If it's based on this season how is Eric Bledsoe not in the top 10 his team Is 500. and he's playing both sides of the ball? He should be way ahead of Kyrie/Rose based on this season's play imo.

Have to find a spot for Bledsoe come on guys...

Bledsoe has started off well this season, but I don't think he's a Top 10 PG talent yet. He's slowed down since his hot start and I think his averages will all come down a bit as the season continues.

As for the people saying Curry is being overrated, I don't see how that thought even crosses your mind. Curry is not only putting up better averages than anyone not named Chris Paul, he's leading his team to an 8-3 record. He's one of the few on the list that are doubled, and he attracts so much attention on/off the ball that it's made offense so much easier for the rest of his team. The spacing he provides is ridiculous and teams are genuinely scared of him and his shot.

One thing that stands out to me most about Curry is how he's one of the best scoring PG's in the league not just in volume, but by efficiency... yet he gets to the FT line less than 3 times per game. I see it both as a weakness in his game and a testament to his shot making abilities.

[moe94]

As for the people saying Curry is being overrated, I don't see how that thought even crosses your mind. Curry is not only putting up better averages than anyone not named Chris Paul, he's leading his team to an 8-3 record.

It's simple. If you think he's better than Tony Parker, you are overrating his value at this moment.

[scm5]

It's simple. If you think he's better than Tony Parker, you are overrating his value at this moment.

Tony Parker is great, but really?

From a numbers stand point:

Stephen Curry:
20ppg on 46% FG 43% 3FG 60% TS, 3.7rpg, 8.7apg, 1.7spg and 3.4TO/gm

Tony Parker:
18.5ppg on 54% FG 27% 3FG 57% TS, 2.5rpg, 6.2 apg, .6 spg, 3.0 TO/gm

Parker's numbers are worse almost across the board. Curry scores more and gets more assists and barely turns the ball over more than Parker. Curry also might score with a lower FG%, but he takes so many 3's.

That's just on their individual statistics. If you watch games, the spacing Curry provides and the respect teams give him is tremendous to his teammates and you can really tell this season through the Warrior's efficient scoring across the board.

Curry is not only great at playing with the ball in his hands, he's one of the best, if not the best PG at playing off the ball. He's also probably the most dangerous.

If you can't understand this, I don't know what to say to you.

[RedBlackAttack]

It's simple. If you think he's better than Tony Parker, you are overrating his value at this moment.
Exactly this. Parker is never going to wow you with his statistics, but he's simply elite at playing the point guard position. To me, the elite tier of PGs right now are CP3, Parker and Westbrook. I have Curry probably at the top of the 2nd tier with Kyrie, Rondo (healthy), etc. Next tier down is Conley, Wall, Teague, etc.

The wildcard is Rose. We all know he's better than he's playing... potentially in that elite class.

I'm not talking about just focusing on the 10 games to start this season. While it makes for a fun thread, I'm not ready to put Curry on the level of the elites quite yet (and I know he had a great season last year).

Don't get me wrong... love Curry's game and was telling everyone in the middle of last season that he was among the best (top 5 probably). Should have been an All-Star too. But, in a playoff series, I still take CP3, Parker and Westbrook.

So, I feel if you have him in the top 3, you're overrating him. Doesn't mean he isn't a beast... just people tend to go a little too crazy for the latest flavor and they ignore the older (more proven) product.

[scm5]

Exactly this. Parker is never going to wow you with his statistics, but he's simply elite at playing the point guard position. To me, the elite tier of PGs right now are CP3, Parker and Westbrook. I have Curry probably at the top of the 2nd tier with Kyrie, Rondo (healthy), etc. Next tier down is Conley, Wall, Teague, etc.

The wildcard is Rose. We all know he's better than he's playing... potentially in that elite class.

I'm not talking about just focusing on the 10 games to start this season. While it makes for a fun thread, I'm not ready to put Curry on the level of the elites quite yet (and I know he had a great season last year).

Don't get me wrong... love Curry's game and was telling everyone in the middle of last season that he was among the best (top 5 probably). Should have been an All-Star too. But, in a playoff series, I still take CP3, Parker and Westbrook.

So, I feel if you have him in the top 3, you're overrating him. Doesn't mean he isn't a beast... just people tend to go a little too crazy for the latest flavor and they ignore the older (more proven) product.

What Curry is doing this season is nothing new.

Last season:
23ppg on 45.1% FG 45.3% 3FG 59% TS, 4rpg, 7apg, 1.6spg, 3.1 TO/gm

Playoffs:
23.4ppg on 43.4 FG% 39.6 3FG% 55.8% TS, 3.8rpg, 8.1 apg, 1.7spg, 3.3 TO/gm

This season:
20ppg on 46% FG 43% 3FG 60% TS, 3.7rpg, 8.7apg, 1.7spg and 3.4TO/gm

What he's doing is nothing new. Hell, in 2011 he was putting up similar numbers to what TP is putting up now:

2011 Curry:
18.6ppg on 48% FG 44.2% 3FG 59.5% TS, 3.9rpg, 5.8apg, 1.5spg, 3.1 TO/gm

This season TP:
18.5ppg on 54% FG 27% 3FG 57% TS, 2.5rpg, 6.2 apg, .6 spg, 3.0 TO/gm

Curry has been doing this forever, you've only just heard about it. This doesn't mean he;s only off to a hot 10 game start of the season. He's a hard worker and has only gotten better as the years have gone by.

Get used to it, Curry is the second best PG in the league.

[moe94]

Parker's numbers are worse almost across the board. Curry scores more and gets more assists and barely turns the ball over more than Parker. Curry also might score with a lower FG%, but he takes so many 3's.


Curry barely scores more points on MUCH worse efficiency while doing nothing else better to a potent degree. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that he has better numbers, sorry.

[scm5]

Curry barely scores more points on MUCH worse efficiency while doing nothing else better to a potent degree. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that he has better numbers, sorry.

Woah.

I don't know if you understand how 3 pointers work but Curry is a more efficient scorer than Parker is.

Tony Parker makes FG's at a higher rate per shot, but Curry takes less shots to score more points.

Curry: 20ppg on 15.5 FGA and 2.8 FTA

Parker: 18.5ppg on 14.5 FGA and 4.0 FTA

Even if we base it just by points per FGA, Curry would come out on top.

Curry: 19.9/15.5 = 1.284 points per FGA
Parker: 18.5/14.5 = 1.276 points per FGA

Barely a difference, but Curry is still ahead.

This doesn't even factor in that Parker uses up more possessions to score. Free Throw attempts = possessions and Parker has more FTA.

I hope you better understand how scoring efficiency works after reading this because if you're going purely off FG%, I don't know how else to help you.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Who had him ranked 2nd? That would be nonsense based on how he's played so far this season.

Referring to Hak's post.


Who has been better than him this season other than CP3

After he quoted you talking about Kyrie.

[CelticBaller]

Deron Williams top 5?

http://ebengregory.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/mj-laughing.gif

[Leon.Pown]

Curry barely scores more points on MUCH worse efficiency while doing nothing else better to a potent degree. I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that he has better numbers, sorry.

More points, more rebounds, more assists, more steals, slightly more turnovers I'll give you that, more efficient scoring because he takes and makes so many threes...I don't know how he has better numbers either :rolleyes: get a clue.