What do you guys see in Embiid?

[Shade8780]

How good do you think he'll become? Is he the next Andrew Bynum? A guy who came in the league very raw but refined his post game a lot as the years went by, and barring injuries is a top 3 C in the league. Or more of an athletic, high-potential guy like Drummond? I've seen one Kansas game this year against Duke and he was pretty quiet that whole game, but he is a project after all.

[WhySoInsecure?]

For a guy who has only been playing for 2-3 years, his post game is amazing. He's much more nimble than Bynum, and has more moves than Drummond. He hasn't shown it at Kansas yet, but from the highlights that I've seen it looks like he has can step out and hit the jumpshot.

If he continues to improve has the potential to be the best center in the league.

[Shade8780]

For a guy who has only been playing for 2-3 years, his post game is amazing. He's much more nimble than Bynum, and has more moves than Drummond. He hasn't shown it at Kansas yet, but from the highlights that I've seen it looks like he has can step out and hit the jumpshot.

If he continues to improve has the potential to be the best center in the league.
Yeah, people have been raving about him lately. Won't mind him at all on the Celtics if this is the general consensus. Where do you think he should be drafted? Ahead of Smart and Exum or below?

[WhySoInsecure?]

Yeah, people have been raving about him lately. Won't mind him at all on the Celtics if this is the general consensus. Where do you think he should be drafted? Ahead of Smart and Exum or below?
If he keeps improving and shows up in March I think he could end up going 2nd in the draft behind Parker.

[Shade8780]

If he keeps improving and shows up in March I think he could end up going 2nd in the draft behind Parker.
Wait, you have Parker over Wiggins?

http://img.pandawhale.com/27717-Zelda-Abandon-thread-gif-LwhD.gif

[WhySoInsecure?]

Wait, you have Parker over Wiggins?

http://img.pandawhale.com/27717-Zelda-Abandon-thread-gif-LwhD.gif

What does Wiggins have on Parker other than jumping ability?

[Shade8780]

What does Wiggins have on Parker other than jumping ability?
Potential. Parker is better suited for the college game and it's why he looks better. With this logic, Doug McDermott is a better NBA prospect than Wiggins.

[WhySoInsecure?]

Potential. Parker is better suited for the college game and it's why he looks better. With this logic, Doug McDermott is a better NBA prospect than Wiggins.
I would have said the same thing about a month ago but Parker is a much better athlete than I thought. Seems to me like he really put in work over the summer and I see no reason why he can't tone up even more in the next few years.

I like Wiggins but right now he's just a pogo stick, his jumpshot is not there, he can't put the ball on the floor and create for himself nor his teammates, and the worst part is that he's passive. I agree that he has a higher ceiling than Parker, there's no doubt that his jumpshot and handles will improve, but I'm not sure that he can ever be a guy who does more than just get his, a la Rudy Gay.

[Jailblazers7]

The thing that really impressed me about Embiid in that Duke game was some of the passes he made. He already seems to have good instincts and the ability to pass out of a double team. He was much more developed mentally than I expected from a guy who hasn't been playing for long. Add that to the physical tools and potential for improvement and you have a rapidly rising draft stock.

Of course all these observations are based on 1 game but what I saw was really exciting.

[kNicKz]

Potential. Parker is better suited for the college game and it's why he looks better. With this logic, Doug McDermott is a better NBA prospect than Wiggins.

:crazysam:

not sure if srs

[Shade8780]

The thing that really impressed me about Embiid in that Duke game was some of the passes he made. He already seems to have good instincts and the ability to pass out of a double team. He was much more developed mentally than I expected from a guy who hasn't been playing for long. Add that to the physical tools and potential for improvement and you have a rapidly rising draft stock.

Of course all these observations are based on 1 game but what I saw was really exciting.
Oh yeah. His passing out of the post was definitely nice for a guy like him in that game.

[Thorpesaurous]

I said this in another thread, but right now I think Embiid and Exum are sort of a toss up for that fifth spot, depending on your needs. Right now I feel Smart is definitively ahead of Exum, based on such a visable body of work, and a physical presence that appears to be second to none at the PG spot. If he continues to show that his jumper is as improved as the results have been early in the season, I feel like he's locked himself in in front of Exum and

I could see him jumping to three ahead of Randle, because you're looking big against big, and you may find a team that wants a true center at that point, but in the current league that spreads the floor more than ever, I can't see him jumping the other two.

I swear there will come a point where some genius finds a big guy who wrecks all the small lineups, and the league will slowly vascilate back in that direction, then it will slowly move back the other way. It seems like a 25 or so year cycle. The small lineups right now look more like the 70s into early 80s lineups than I think most people realize. And league really started getting smaller around the late 90s. I think we're just right in the middle of a small cycle.

[BoutPractice]

He has the ideal body for an NBA center, and although he only started playing the game a few years ago, he's shown glimpses of brilliance in about every area of the game. He runs the floor very well, he can dunk on you but he's also displayed highly promising footwork and coordination (he already has a strong, quick baseline spin), a jump hook, the form on his FTs looks good, he's got amazing passing instincts both out of the post and on the outlet, and should logically end up a defense and rebounding monster with his athletic profile. He learns incredibly fast too, he seems quite intelligent and down to earth too, like a Tim Duncan.

His ceiling is the highest in this draft. If he gets it together he could utterly destroy the league, especially given the prevalence of small ball nowadays.

[Burgz V2]

dude can be a great shot blocker and has good hands for his size. Apparently used to play volleyball growing up. fitting :lol

[IGOTGAME]

I see the number 1 pick in the draft, at worst number 2.

[chips93]

I see the number 1 pick in the draft, at worst number 2.

man, how can you say this? its sooooo early

[oarabbus]

man, how can you say this? its sooooo early


Teams historically take a gamble on the 7 footer. I would too.

[IGOTGAME]

Teams historically take a gamble on the 7 footer. I would too.

its not a gamble. he is the best prospect, at worst the second best prospect.

[Guy Dudebro]

People are saying he is like Akeem Olajuwon from University of Houston who later morphed into Hakeem Olajuwon.

This is as much an embellishment as comparing Wiggins and Parker to LeBron and Kobe. Embiid is a lot more Serge Ibaka than Hakeem Olajuwon, sure that makes a nice pro, but not in a year when there are bonafide Alpha Dogs available. He goes 3-5 if the draft were today, people are still that much on Parker and Wiggins, and rightfully so.

[IGOTGAME]

People are saying he is like Akeem Olajuwon from University of Houston who later morphed into Hakeem Olajuwon.

This is as much an embellishment as comparing Wiggins and Parker to LeBron and Kobe. Embiid is a lot more Serge Ibaka than Hakeem Olajuwon, sure that makes a nice pro, but not in a year when there are bonafide Alpha Dogs available. He goes 3-5 if the draft were today, people are still that much on Parker and Wiggins, and rightfully so.

what dies that even mean? he plays nothing like Serge Ibaka. If anything, Embiid is an alpha dog. He calls for the ball and the offense is run through him. He is doubled on EVERY post touch.

[Jailblazers7]

what dies that even mean? he plays nothing like Serge Ibaka. If anything, Embiid is an alpha dog. He calls for the ball and the offense is run through him. He is doubled on EVERY post touch.

And what's really impressive is that he deals with the double team extremely well. Good awareness, footwork, and vision is really impressive for a young big without a ton of experience playing top competition. It takes some guys years in the league to develop those skills and some never do.

If I were a GM, Embiid would be #1 on my big board with Wiggins #2.

[ZoPunde]

I think he has the best chance of leading a team to the NBA finals in his prime. He has more post moves than most big men in the league already, he can do jump hooks with both hands, and is showing some potential to shoot the outside shot. On the defensive end he can lock down the paint by blocking and altering shots, and it wouldn't suprise me if he was an NBA all-star in 2 or 3 years.

[GOBB]

Whoever compared Embiid to Serge is a moron. I think Embiid will be more of a Tim Duncan.

[DwadeOverLebron]

I'm gonna say embiid is very similar to hAkeem olajuwon, not saying he's goin to be as good but their stories are similar along with athletic build and body type with embiid being slightly thicker (wider) coming into the league.

Jahlil okafor reminds me a lot of Tim Duncan. With an already established 12-18 footer, he's not an explosive athlete and relies on positioning and fundamentals which he seems to understand already very well.

[JtotheIzzo]

Whoever compared Embiid to Serge is a moron. I think Embiid will be more of a Tim Duncan.

He's definitely no Serge, but Duncan? C'mon now...No one is passing on Wiggins, especially now that he seems to have put it all together.

[Guy Dudebro]

what dies that even mean? he plays nothing like Serge Ibaka. If anything, Embiid is an alpha dog. He calls for the ball and the offense is run through him. He is doubled on EVERY post touch.

I cordially invite all of you to go f*ck yourselves.

Bill Simmons on 'The BS Report'(1/30/14):

"What Embiid really is is he is Serge Ibaka as a center, a better, taller meaner, Serge Ibaka."

Save the 'Simmons is a moron' retorts for your mother, he knows more than you clowns and so do I.

[IGOTGAME]

I cordially invite all of you to go f*ck yourselves.

Bill Simmons on 'The BS Report'(1/30/14):

"What Embiid really is is he is Serge Ibaka as a center, a better, taller meaner, Serge Ibaka."

Save the 'Simmons is a moron' retorts for your mother, he knows more than you clowns and so do I.

Add this to the list of dumb things Simmons has said. Guy knows nothing about projecting players or X's and O's. Why not quote the numerous talent evaluators that compare him favorable to great players. He literally plays nothing like Ibaka, he is a low post scorer and Serge has not one post move.

[Clyde]

I cordially invite all of you to go f*ck yourselves.

Bill Simmons on 'The BS Report'(1/30/14):

"What Embiid really is is he is Serge Ibaka as a center, a better, taller meaner, Serge Ibaka."

Save the 'Simmons is a moron' retorts for your mother, he knows more than you clowns and so do I.

I think his point was they move the same, very fluid, like a track athlete......where as players like bynum and thabeet move choppy with body parts flailing everywhere.

I don't think he making a comparison on how they played.

I could be wrong , but check out the grantland channel on youtube

[GOBB]

He's definitely no Serge, but Duncan? C'mon now...No one is passing on Wiggins, especially now that he seems to have put it all together.

Watch Duncan in 94 on youtube. Similar games. Whether Embiid develops into Tim Duncan we know? Doubt it, think he could resemble Duncan tho when its all said and done. Duncan is a legend but I'm looking at the way they move, score, defend as freshman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u84y8B8W33I

[chips93]

I cordially invite all of you to go f*ck yourselves.

Bill Simmons on 'The BS Report'(1/30/14):

"What Embiid really is is he is Serge Ibaka as a center, a better, taller meaner, Serge Ibaka."

Save the 'Simmons is a moron' retorts for your mother, he knows more than you clowns and so do I.


i love simmons, but he doesnt know anything about college hoops

[wakencdukest]

I cordially invite all of you to go f*ck yourselves.

Bill Simmons on 'The BS Report'(1/30/14):

"What Embiid really is is he is Serge Ibaka as a center, a better, taller meaner, Serge Ibaka."

Save the 'Simmons is a moron' retorts for your mother, he knows more than you clowns and so do I.





Bill Simmons is a biased sports columnist. He's not and has not ever been a scout, coach, agent, or anything else affiliated with basketball. He's just a writer, and has been known to say stupid shit from time to time. Embiid is definately not Ibaka. Watch the games and you'll see, don't just take the word of some sports writer and run with it. Ibaka is a jumpshooting forward who plays great defense and blocks a lot of shots. He has little to no post game. Embiid is primarily a back to the basket low post player with great footwork and a variety of moves, and can shoot with either hand, and also plays great defense. The two are really nothing alike.

[outbreak]

Bill Simmons is a biased sports columnist. He's not and has not ever been a scout, coach, agent, or anything else affiliated with basketball. He's just a writer, and has been known to say stupid shit from time to time. Embiid is definately not Ibaka. Watch the games and you'll see, don't just take the word of some sports writer and run with it. Ibaka is a jumpshooting forward who plays great defense and blocks a lot of shots. He has little to no post game. Embiid is primarily a back to the basket low post player with great footwork and a variety of moves, and can shoot with either hand, and also plays great defense. The two are really nothing alike.

Adding my own opinion I know but I think Bill Simmons was referring to Ibaka coming into the league not what he's turned into now.

[GOBB]

Adding my own opinion I know but I think Bill Simmons was referring to Ibaka coming into the league not what he's turned into now.

Ibaka scouting report coming into the NBA didn't read like Embiid

[Clyde]

The guy has been playing like garbage lately....appears he's going to get some time off from basketball.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10436361/joel-embiid-kansas-jayhawks-miss-injuries