Lillard or Irving?

[dbugz]

Kyrie is more talented but Lillard is a better leader.

Rings -> Lillard
Individual accomplishments -> Kyrie

Agree?

[moe94]

Lillard literally does nothing better than Irving while being 2 years older. I don't see how you can even BEGIN to make an argument for him.

[dbugz]

Lillard literally does nothing better than Irving while being 2 years older. I don't see how you can even BEGIN to make an argument for him.

ROY in a deep draft class
Playing like a veteran PG already even on his rookie year
Clutch as fck

[noob cake]

Lillard literally does nothing better than Irving while being 2 years older. I don't see how you can even BEGIN to make an argument for him.

This. Playing with non-scrubs make you look like a better player (Unless your name is LeBron and literally make everyone on your team 10x better)

[Le Shaqtus]

Lillard literally does nothing better than Irving while being 2 years older. I don't see how you can even BEGIN to make an argument for him.

The difference is Lillard's team is winning :confusedshrug:

[moe94]

ROY in a deep draft class
Playing like a veteran PG already even on his rookie year
Clutch as fck

How does that combat the fact that both are primarily scoring PG in which Irving averages more points on better efficiency while leading him in almost every other category?

Lillard is not as injury prone. That's his saving grace.

[Mass Debator]

I'm not sure if Lillard is a better leader. I think he is more composed though and a good role model.

If it's one game do or die, I'd pick Kyrie with no doubt in my mind. I think Irving really needs another star behind him to shine. His personality doesn't fit the Cavs at all in my opinion. He needs to be in NY. If I have a good core of players already in a good system, Lillard is the guy. Replace Parker with him on the Spurs and I don't really think San Antonio misses a beat.

[Inferno]

How does that combat the fact that both are primarily scoring PG in which Irving averages more points on better efficiency while leading him in almost every other category?

Lillard is not as injury prone. That's his saving grace.

Lillard averaged more assists last year :confusedshrug: But yeah right now Irving is outperforming him by a slim margin in most categories

[dbugz]

How does that combat the fact that both are primarily scoring PG in which Irving averages more points on better efficiency while leading him in almost every other category?

Lillard is not as injury prone. That's his saving grace.


Irving score more points because there's no one to score in Cleveland while Lillard needs to share it with Aldrige and Batum.

Blazers winning in the WEST >>>> Irving's team in the EAST

[moe94]

Irving score more points because there's no one to score in Cleveland while Lillard needs to share it with Aldrige and Batum.

Blazers winning in the WEST >>>> Irving's team in the EAST
Is that why he's also shooting at worse clip because of all the help he has?:oldlol:

Put Irving on those Blazers and they don't lose a step.

[Crafty]

Lillard's a better leader. And Portland's winning in the West, Cleveland is losing in the East.

[dbugz]

Is that why he's also shooting at worse clip because of all the help he has?:oldlol:

Put Irving on those Blazers and they don't lose a step.


Lillard "actually" winning in the west is all the proof that you need.

No "put him" or "what ifs".

Just plain fact > what ifs

:pimp:

[moe94]

Lillard "actually" winning in the west is all the proof that you need.

No "put him" or "what ifs".

Just plain fact > what ifs

:pimp:

Hey, let's compare player x to player y using team z's accomplishments. :applause:

[GOBB]

This. Playing with non-scrubs make you look like a better player (Unless your name is LeBron and literally make everyone on your team 10x better)

So now Cavs team = scrubs :roll:

My my my have some things have changed. Shall I bump some threads or nah

[Meticode]

So now Cavs team = scrubs :roll:

My my my have some things have changed. Shall I bump some threads or nah
I think the term is mis-used in this situation. The Cavaliers are a very young, (second youngest in the league), talented team. They just need to establish an identity. And they're not going to score anyone off the court with Mike Brown as coach. I really feel re-hiring Brown on was a mistake by the front office.

The Blazers and Cavaliers are at two different spectrum's right now. The Cavaliers are still trying to find themselves and see what works while Irving is undoubtedly their best player.

The Blazers know what the need to do, they're a veteran team and their point guard isn't even the best player between the two teams. LaMarcus Aldridge > Irving-or-Lillard.

[moe94]

LMA is hilariously overrated. An inefficient jump shooting big that offers nothing else. How spectacular.

[Meticode]

LMA is hilariously overrated. An inefficient jump shooting big that offers nothing else. How spectacular.
I agree, but he's still better than Irving and Lillard at this point as far as players and the impact on a team.

[Myth]

LMA is hilariously overrated. An inefficient jump shooting big that offers nothing else. How spectacular.

You obviously don't watch the Blazers play.

Also, if LMA is "hilariously overrated", and Lillard is in no way a match for Irving, how are the Blazers so much better than the Cavs?

I do agree that Irving is better than Lillard, but Lillard is the better 3 point shooter, and that helps make up some of the differences between the two.

[Meticode]

You obviously don't watch the Blazers play.

Also, if LMA is "hilariously overrated", and Lillard is in no way a match for Irving, how are the Blazers so much better than the Cavs?

I do agree that Irving is better than Lillard, but Lillard is the better 3 point shooter, and that helps make up some of the differences between the two.
I would have to disagree with you on the three point shooting. Irving has been sticking around 40% his first two seasons' This season he struggled mightily and I would bet by the end of the season Irving will have a better percentage than Lillard. Lillard also get's the benefit that he's the second option on the team and he's going to a ton more open shots than Irving who takes a ton of unwarranted three pointers and still makes them a lot of times.

Sure, Lillard is 4% better right now this season, but I think that will change.

[PizzamanIRL]

Little Lard

[FatComputerNerd]

You obviously don't watch the Blazers play.

Also, if LMA is "hilariously overrated", and Lillard is in no way a match for Irving, how are the Blazers so much better than the Cavs?

I do agree that Irving is better than Lillard, but Lillard is the better 3 point shooter, and that helps make up some of the differences between the two.

Kyrie has higher career averages in every shooting category, including 3-point shooting. This is even with his less than stellar start to the season shooting-wise.

Right now Lillard is shooting them at a higher % but given Kyrie's career .389 3-pt % I don't expect his slump to last forever. Don't forget, he also won the 3-point shootout. =)

[Meticode]

Kyrie has higher career averages in every shooting category, including 3-point shooting. This is even with his less than stellar start to the season shooting-wise.

Right now Lillard is shooting them at a higher % but given Kyrie's career .389 3-pt % I don't expect his slump to last forever. Don't forget, he also won the 3-point shootout. =)
They're still losing games right now because of what Brown is allowing to happen on offense ath te end of games, but Irving is breaking out of his slump. He was sub-38% from the field and sub-34% from three. He's up near 42% and 36% now. I think these would improve greatly if they moved the ball more in the closing minutes of the game instead of playing hero ball.

[unbreakable]

ILLard is a better leader, stronger, higher bball IQ, better shooter, more clutch, and just an overall better player

kyrie is overrated and doesnt play a lick of defense.. empty stats that dont lead to WINS.. reminds me of a PG blake griffin :confusedshrug:

[Meticode]

ILLard is a better leader, stronger, higher bball IQ, better shooter, more clutch, and just an overall better player

kyrie is overrated and doesnt play a lick of defense.. empty stats that dont lead to WINS.. reminds me of a PG blake griffin :confusedshrug:
It's amazing. In the span of 11 games Irving went from being clutch to not being clutch beuase he misses a few shots (including making a game winning shot this year already).

I think your post has agenda written all over it. Lillard is a better shooter you say, but Irving has a better overall career shooting percentage from the field and three point line and this season thus far Irving has been the better shooter from the field overall, while I give the nod to Lillard making 40% from three while taking 7+ attempts per game.

I'll give you the "Lillard being the better passer" mention. And guess what? Even though Irving is the worse passer of the two and Irving doesn't have a legit second option on the team (like poster-player automatic mid-range jump shooting PF that Lillard has who is technically the first option on the team) he still has more APG this season than Lillard. How...amazing.

Irving isn't a great defender. I don't watch Lillard play much, but I'll just go ahead and give him the nod of that. I just want to state some of the things you mentioned I felt were completely wrong.

[unbreakable]

Irving isn't a great defender. I don't watch Lillard play much, but I'll just go ahead and give him the nod of that. I just want to state some of the things you mentioned I felt were completely wrong.

why cant the cavs win more games? if kyrie was as good as ESPN and the media hype him to be, cavs should be atleast a 4-5 seed

[RedBlackAttack]

I think the term is mis-used in this situation. The Cavaliers are a very young, (second youngest in the league), talented team. They just need to establish an identity. And they're not going to score anyone off the court with Mike Brown as coach. I really feel re-hiring Brown on was a mistake by the front office.

The Blazers and Cavaliers are at two different spectrum's right now. The Cavaliers are still trying to find themselves and see what works while Irving is undoubtedly their best player.

The Blazers know what the need to do, they're a veteran team and their point guard isn't even the best player between the two teams. LaMarcus Aldridge > Irving-or-Lillard.
Pretty much this. The Cavs are still trying to figure out how this very young team fits together under a new, completely different system and with a lot of new faces. I will be very surprised if they're this bad when the calendar turns to 2014. That is assuming they stay relatively healthy, of course.

I know the new trend is to bash Kyrie (even among Cavs fans) but he's still a damn good player and just 21 (that's easy to forget sometimes). Irving's skillset is just superior to Lillard's and I like Damian a lot too.

Kyrie is a rare talent. He's currently in the process of changing his game a bit and becoming more well rounded. This has resulted in a slight drop in scoring efficiency, but that's beginning to turn back around already.

[FatComputerNerd]

why cant the cavs win more games? if kyrie was as good as ESPN and the media hype him to be, cavs should be atleast a 4-5 seed

New coach, new system, lots of young players who aren't used to being on the floor together.

I bet if Kyrie were allowed to play hero-ball the way he did his first 2 seasons we'd actually have a lot more wins so far. He's adjusting to playing in an actual system, often playing off the ball which he is still learning.

[Meticode]

why cant the cavs win more games? if kyrie was as good as ESPN and the media hype him to be, cavs should be atleast a 4-5 seed
A few things with this.

The Blazers are a better team. There's no denying this.

I feel personally our front office did a disservice to the organization by re-hiring Mike Brown. Mike Brown should not be a head coach of any team in the NBA. I really don't care what anyone else says in argument to it. I felt when he was fired the irst time it was the right choice moving forward with or without LeBron as a Cavalier. He had several years to get it done with the best player in the world and had the best regular season record two years in a row only to be out-coached in the post-season both of this seasons. He's a defensive coach that doesn't have any idea what to do on the offensive side of the ball and it shows in games that come down to scoring the ball at the end and we simply can't do it.

This is going to hinder the Cavaliers until a change is made. We will not be a competitive team in the playoffs with him as head coach running this team.

We're still a young team (second youngest in the league) and I still have hope for them. Technically if they keep winning 4 games to every 9 losses they'll improve compared to last year, but it still isn't anything to be impressed about.

[JordanL]

LMA is hilariously overrated. An inefficient jump shooting big that offers nothing else. How spectacular.

If that's true, then what's all this you're saying about Lillard having such better players around him? :facepalm

At least keep your btching consistent.

[FatComputerNerd]

A few things with this.

The Blazers are a better team. There's no denying this.

I feel personally our front office did a disservice to the organization by re-hiring Mike Brown. Mike Brown should not be a head coach of any team in the NBA. I really don't care what anyone else says in argument to it. I felt when he was fired the irst time it was the right choice moving forward with or without LeBron as a Cavalier. He had several years to get it done with the best player in the world and had the best regular season record two years in a row only to be out-coached in the post-season both of this seasons. He's a defensive coach that doesn't have any idea what to do on the offensive side of the ball and it shows in games that come down to scoring the ball at the end and we simply can't do it.

This is going to hinder the Cavaliers until a change is made. We will not be a competitive team in the playoffs with him as head coach running this team.

We're still a young team (second youngest in the league) and I still have hope for them. Technically if they keep winning 4 games to every 9 losses they'll improve compared to last year, but it still isn't anything to be impressed about.

We need to quit it with this 3 PG lineup. No reason we should have Kyrie, Jack, and Dele all on the floor together, and frankly, if Kyrie is on the floor he should be handling the PG duties.

All this talk about him being a bad passer has gone overboard. He's been flustered is all because Brown is trying to force him to play in a way that he is not used to.

[Meticode]

I just wish we had more direction on offense. Last night when the Cavaliers went up by 12 off the Earl Clark corner three (which happened because of ball movement). I was thinking, "This is freaking great. We're doing what we should be doing on offense. Either win or lose as a team." Then what do we do? We play hero ball the rest of the way and throw the ****ing game away. That did two things...

One, every time Irving went to the basket and didn't make it or get the call the Pelicans easily got the rebound and pushed the ball down our throats in transition.

Two, it gave our bigs no chance to get a quality position for a rebound or second chance points because they need to clear out for Irving.

The way the offense is being ran the last 5 minutes of every game is irking the **** out of me so much that I even posted on Irving's, Thompson's, Waiters and Gilbert's Twitter accounts...


@KyrieIrving @RealTristan13 @cavsdan @dionwaiters3 Tired of games lost this way. Do what got you the lead. BALL MOVEMENT! Not ball pounding!


@KyrieIrving @RealTristan13 @cavsdan @dionwaiters3 What does Brown draw up at the end of games when all we see is hero ball via Irving? #mad

[Meticode]

We need to quit it with this 3 PG lineup. No reason we should have Kyrie, Jack, and Dele all on the floor together, and frankly, if Kyrie is on the floor he should be handling the PG duties.

All this talk about him being a bad passer has gone overboard. He's been flustered is all because Brown is trying to force him to play in a way that he is not used to.
There was no issue with the lineup last night until Brown let Irving play hero ball. Our lineup was Varejao, Clark, Gee, Jack and Irving with 4 minutes left. Clark hit a three pointer to put us up by 12. To be completely honest, because of the heart and effort of Dellevedova I'd like him in there at the end. Varejao, Thompson, Clark-or-Gee, Irving and Dellevedova.

[FatComputerNerd]

There was no issue with the lineup last night until Brown let Irving play hero ball. Our lineup was Varejao, Clark, Gee, Jack and Irving with 4 minutes left. Clark hit a three pointer to put us up by 12. To be completely honest, because of the heart and effort of Dellevedova I'd like him in there at the end. Varejao, Thompson, Clark-or-Gee, Irving and Dellevedova.

I like Dellevedova and Jack too. Both have been great, but they're supposed to be backups, and certainly should not be taking the main ball-handling duties away from Kyrie when out there with him!

I'd really like to see Karasev get some more burn, and we should stop trying to turn Kyrie into a shooting guard.

[chips93]

One, every time Irving went to the basket and didn't make it or get the call the Pelicans easily got the rebound and pushed the ball down our throats in transition.

there were at least two occasions where kyrie was complaining to the refs, while his teammates had to defend 4 on 5.

[Meticode]

there were at least two occasions where kyrie was complaining to the refs, while his teammates had to defend 4 on 5.
This bothered me too. Especially the last time it happened at the end that turned into Pelicans points. Irving just stood there looking at the refs. How the **** is that going to help your team?

[Meticode]

I like Dellevedova and Jack too. Both have been great, but they're supposed to be backups, and certainly should not be taking the main ball-handling duties away from Kyrie when out there with him!

I'd really like to see Karasev get some more burn, and we should stop trying to turn Kyrie into a shooting guard.
If we actaully pass the f*cking ball around at the end I'd like to see Waiters and Irving out there.

[FireDavidKahn]

I'd honestly rather take Lillard.

[Meticode]

I'd honestly rather take Lillard.
Why, you think he's safer overall as a point guard? What's your reasoning? (not trying to debate)

[rock la familia]

ILLard

[Da KO King]

The more I watch Kyrie the less I like his game. He's extremely skilled but he creates a lot of tough shots for himself.

So I'd take Lillard.

[RedBlackAttack]

We need to quit it with this 3 PG lineup. No reason we should have Kyrie, Jack, and Dele all on the floor together, and frankly, if Kyrie is on the floor he should be handling the PG duties.

All this talk about him being a bad passer has gone overboard. He's been flustered is all because Brown is trying to force him to play in a way that he is not used to.
I don't think the primary reason Kyrie has been moved to off the ball for much of the games recently has anything to do with the staff believing him ill equipped to handle the PG duties. I think it's because it is much more difficult to double a guy who is playing off the ball.

Kyrie is our best scorer by a country mile. When he's at the head of the snake with the ball in his hands, teams were just throwing two guys at him immediately, forcing the ball out of his hands and taking their chances.

Now, they have him moving through screens and getting him in more one-on-one situations on different areas of the floor. It isn't a coincidence that his efficiency has gone up since they started moving him around. He's harder to defend this way.

Until the Cavs' shooters either improve or they go out and surround him with guys who can hit open jumpshots consistently, teams will continue throwing two guys at him, pack the rest of the defense in the paint and take their chances. Kyrie will be able to play PG for all of his minutes on the floor and do it well the moment teams need to start worrying about getting killed threes off of an offense where the ball moves quickly when the trap comes, leading to wide open shots by guys who can make them at a high clip.

Until then, I think him playing "off the ball" is a pretty good idea for portions of games. We were making it too easy on opposing defenses. He's still able to set up teammates and create problems, just in different areas of the floor.


I'm not sure people realize just how much attention he has been getting by the opposing defenses.

[FireDavidKahn]

Why, you think he's safer overall as a point guard? What's your reasoning? (not trying to debate)
Just seems (there's that word, lol. I know it's silly) that he is more of a leader and clutch. I think Kyrie is very slightly overrated however imo both him and Lillard are pretty much on the same level. Can't go wrong with either. Also, I think Lillard is going to turn out to be way more durable.

[RedBlackAttack]

The more I watch Kyrie the less I like his game. He's extremely skilled but he creates a lot of tough shots for himself.

So I'd take Lillard.
He's always been able to make tough shots, though. That's one of the things that has made him so hard to defend in his first two seasons.

Honestly, the biggest difference between Kyrie right now and Kyrie the last two years -- in terms of scoring -- is that his jumper hasn't been falling at the same rate. He's missing a lot of open threes, which likely will not continue to be the case judging by previous larger samplings of his game.

He's shooting 35.8-percent from behind the arc right now on 5+ attempts per game. His efficiency on plays inside the three-point line is down from previous seasons, too, but not recently. That part of his game is coming back.

Still, even with his jumper being off to start the season and getting a ridiculous amount of attention from defenses, his scoring efficiency has been better than Lillard's. If you put Kyrie on that Blazers team where defenses couldn't focus as much on taking him away, he'd be doing far better than 19/6.5 on 40% shooting (Lillard's numbers).

[RedBlackAttack]

Just seems (there's that word, lol. I know it's silly) that he is more of a leader and clutch. I think Kyrie is very slightly overrated however imo both him and Lillard are pretty much on the same level. Can't go wrong with either. Also, I think Lillard is going to turn out to be way more durable.
Kyrie's past injuries were becoming concerning, no doubt... But, Kyrie -- statistically speaking -- has been at the top of the league in clutch performance since he stepped on NBA hardwood. Don't allow a handful of games to start this season fool you... that has always been maybe his best overall trait.

[Da KO King]

He's always been able to make tough shots, though. That's one of the things that has made him so hard to defend in his first two seasons...
Simply put I want no parts of a guy who consistently takes tough shots that he does not HAVE to take.

Like I said, Irving's skill level is unbelievable but I am not a fan of his game right now.

[dbugz]

So many LOLs on this thread :lol

[JordanL]

:oldlol:

So many people trying to prop up Irving in this thread. Man, to think this was just at the beginning of the season.

Anyone still wanna come in and say Irving is a better player?

[Kiddlovesnets]

Id still take Irving, one playoffs series cannot change a player that dramatically. People are overreacting like always.

[JordanL]

Id still take Irving, one playoffs series cannot change a player that dramatically. People are overreacting like always.

No, you just weren't paying attention to lillard all season. He's not doing anything special or out of the ordinary in the playoffs, in fact he's been kind of silent (except The Shot).

[Wavves]

No, you just weren't paying attention to lillard all season. He's not doing anything special or out of the ordinary in the playoffs, in fact he's been kind of silent (except The Shot).
Exactly this.

Lillard's stepped up his game this playoffs, but he was already playing at a high level during the regular season.
His play in the Houston series also went a lot unnoticed until the shot happened.

He also was hitting clutch shots all season, especially early in the season where he hit a couple of game winners.

[dbugz]

Id still take Irving, one playoffs series cannot change a player that dramatically. People are overreacting like always.

You gotta watch more Blazers' games

[JohnFreeman]

Isaiah

[Lebron23]

The one who led his team into the 2nd round of the playoffs. Until he's capable of leading his team into the playoffs Kyrie Irving is just Mr. Dribble, Dribble, Dribble.

[navy]

The one who led his team into the 2nd round of the playoffs. Until them Irving is just Mr. Dribble, Dribble, Dribble.
...

Lillaard has an actual team around him though....

[andremiller07]

Isaiah
See his tweet I think he's leaving


Isaiah Thomas ‏@Isaiah_Thomas2 2m
It isn't about what you walk away from, it's about what you walk away with

As far as the topic yeah Lillard is way better atm


LMA is hilariously overrated. An inefficient jump shooting big that offers nothing else. How spectacular.
:wtf: I expect better from you moe

[JohnFreeman]

See his tweet I think he's leaving



Rap lyrics

[andremiller07]

Rap lyrics
O really was hoping he was leaving

[JohnFreeman]

O really was hoping he was leaving
lol he will

[Myth]

:oldlol:

So many people trying to prop up Irving in this thread. Man, to think this was just at the beginning of the season.

Anyone still wanna come in and say Irving is a better player?

After all of the amazing gifs Moe has given us, I think we can overlook his comments.

[-Lebron23-]

Irving is getting fat and developing man tits, probably due to those long holidays he takes every summer.

Lillard meanwhile has MongWilliams back to acting like a prick as if this was 2009

[becken]

:applause: :applause:

[DukeDelonte13]

Kyrie is more individually skilled, Lillard probably has better intangibles.

Lillard clearly has a better team around him though. It's not like Kyrie has a bigman of LMA's caliber.

[jbryan1984]

Very, very similar players. Neither are very good defensively. Lillard is probably better cause Kyrie sucks in that department, I know that. The reason Lillard comes off better to some is because his team is in the playoffs, he just hit the biggest shot in the post season in years and he has LMA to distract defenders. Kyrie, I really compare him to Allen Iverson. He is so small but can just drive through the lane like he just hit a star in Mario Brothers and score. Head to head, they both average 26 PPG against eachother.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Very, very similar players. Neither are very good defensively. Lillard is probably better cause Kyrie sucks in that department, I know that. The reason Lillard comes off better to some is because his team is in the playoffs, he just hit the biggest shot in the post season in years and he has LMA to distract defenders. Kyrie, I really compare him to Allen Iverson. He is so small but can just drive through the lane like he just hit a star in Mario Brothers and score. Head to head, they both average 26 PPG against eachother.

Isn't Irving like 6'3?

[imdaman99]

If Lillard and Kyrie switched teams, do the Blazers get past the Rockets in the 1st round?

[DukeDelonte13]

If Lillard and Kyrie switched teams, do the Blazers get past the Rockets in the 1st round?


eh depends. We talking about pouty Kyrie or we talking about clutch Kyrie?

There is no doubt in my mind Lillard is more mentally mature and carries himself in a much more professional manner. I think those types of intangibles really go a long way. I think Kyrie can do anything Lilliard can do offensively and then some, but his immaturity on and off the court get the team into trouble.

[Jailblazers7]

eh depends. We talking about pouty Kyrie or we talking about clutch Kyrie?

There is no doubt in my mind Lillard is more mentally mature and carries himself in a much more professional manner. I think those types of intangibles really go a long way. I think Kyrie can do anything Lilliard can do offensively and then some, but his immaturity on and off the court get the team into trouble.

I think this is on point. Kyrie as a natural talent is kind of unmatched at the PG position but it is still up in the air if he puts it all together. Lillard is a team first guy who brings a lot to that locker room. A lot of that series was about the chemistry and resiliency of the Blazers and I'm not sure Kyrie would hold up in that situation.

[Boarder Patrol]

I'll take Lillard. Better at orchestrating the offense and more reliable. Statistically they're similar but he's also a better leader/team player.

[Darius]

Lillard has been incredible in Round 1... but I'm not counting out Kyrie yet.

He is still 2 years younger and - skill/athleticism-wise - he can play better than Lillard if everything is firing.

He needs to find some coaching though, stat. If he could play under a guy like Doc Rivers I bet it would change everything.

[mr.big35]

Lillard over irving. irving is overrated still cant make it to the playoffs playing in a weak eastern conference. he is not a team player looking for ways to getting out of cleveland

[DukeDelonte13]

Lillard has been incredible in Round 1... but I'm not counting out Kyrie yet.

He is still 2 years younger and - skill/athleticism-wise - he can play better than Lillard if everything is firing.

He needs to find some coaching though, stat. If he could play under a guy like Doc Rivers I bet it would change everything.


he said this year was the first year he's actually been held accountable.

You saw him improve as went on about the year, defense is an issue that he's worked on, but the more troubling issue (which he got much better at as the season progressed) was hogging the ball and killing all the movement.

[Relinquish]

Isaiah

I agree. :applause:

[Svendiggity]

Irving is a better talent but basketball is played with your mind and Lillard's impact goes beyond his talents. The entire culture changed in Portland when Lillard arrived.

I love Irving's game but he can't manage a teams personalities and stay composed through the ups and downs of a Season as well as Lillard can.

[Mass Debator]

Irving is a better talent but basketball is played with your mind and Lillard's impact goes beyond his talents. The entire culture changed in Portland when Lillard arrived.

I love Irving's game but he can't manage a teams personalities and stay composed through the ups and downs of a Season as well as Lillard can.
Lamarcus Aldridge is 28 and in peak shape. Throw Lillard into the Cavs' mess and I doubt they get any significant improvement. I would also pick Lillard due to his intangibles but Kyrie just doesn't have a lot to work with.

[Svendiggity]

Lamarcus Aldridge is 28 and in peak shape. Throw Lillard into the Cavs' mess and I doubt they get any significant improvement. I would also pick Lillard due to his intangibles but Kyrie just doesn't have a lot to work with.

Agree.

[mr beast]

Damian seems more poised and calm as a PG. i m sure he's got tons of moves in his pocket but he has that signature step back into a 3 pter that's just killing it.

Kyrie seems more flashly all around, can hit the 3 ball and can go all the way to the rack and a sick handle

it's a tough call but i am liking Lillard a lot more these days just because i think he is a better PG at controlling the tempo and running the offense for his team