Angola Bans Islam

[MadeFromDust]

http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/25/angola-bans-islam-will-demolish-all-mosques/

Hmmmm, I don't really know what to think of this yet. Any other news out there for this?

Excerpt: "Other faiths which don

[Patrick Chewing]

Muslim radicalism is on the rise all across the world. Look at Europe. All countries should look to Angola.

[MMM]

Muslim radicalism is on the rise all across the world. Look at Europe. All countries should look to Angola.

really you want to talk about radical Islam and focus on Europe, that is a bit of a stretch

[Big_Dogg]

Religious radicalism is on the rise all across the world. All countries should look to Angola.


I fixed your quote for you, makes more sense this way

[Patrick Chewing]

I fixed your quote for you, makes more sense this way


I haven't heard of any Christian and Buddhist terrorist groups lately. Don't be afraid to be labeled a bigot. The truth is the truth. Islam is a fraud and is being run by radicals.

[Patrick Chewing]

really you want to talk about radical Islam and focus on Europe, that is a bit of a stretch


Islamism is on the rise all over the world. Don't let these politically correct nancy boys on this board tell you otherwise. More and more mosques are being built on a daily basis and in countries nowhere near the Middle East. The problem with Islamism in its simplest form, even if it was solely concentrated in the Middle East (which it is not), is the belief that, "Islam should guide social and political as well as personal life." There is no separation of church and state within Islam, and that's why we Americans or North Americans can say we live a cushy life. This is a dangerous ideology as is evident by all the terrorist activities these last 40 years or so.

So when I mention Europe, I mention it due to several countries and their weak open-border system that allow everyone in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Defence_League

[Big_Dogg]

I haven't heard of any Christian and Buddhist terrorist groups lately. Don't be afraid to be labeled a bigot. The truth is the truth. Islam is a fraud and is being run by radicals.

Lately being the key word, but I get your point, radicalism in pretty much any religion is becoming more rampant in the world is what I was trying to get at, they all seem to be fighting for a bigger share of an ever decreasing slice of pie.

[tomtucker]

Patrick Chewing is telling the truth...........it

[BigTicket]

Really stupid move by Angola.

All this will achieve is to ensure that they have more terrorist attacks.

[LEFT4DEAD]

Say what you want, but this is a really stupid move by their government.

[East_Stone_Ya]

Islamism is on the rise all over the world. Don't let these politically correct nancy boys on this board tell you otherwise. More and more mosques are being built on a daily basis and in countries nowhere near the Middle East. The problem with Islamism in its simplest form, even if it was solely concentrated in the Middle East (which it is not), is the belief that, "Islam should guide social and political as well as personal life." There is no separation of church and state within Islam, and that's why we Americans or North Americans can say we live a cushy life. This is a dangerous ideology as is evident by all the terrorist activities these last 40 years or so.

So when I mention Europe, I mention it due to several countries and their weak open-border system that allow everyone in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Defence_League


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZBaJU_Cvo

[DCL]

angola enjoys booty and promiscuous sex too much. you can't thump down suppressive islamic extremities onto them. one thing that angola is never banning is porn.

[Trollsmasher]

:applause: my boys

Britain is already lost though. Especially with that muslim buddy Cameron paving the way for islam to take over it. The rest of Europe will have to cut them off if we are to survive the plague.

[ace23]

Banning a religion. :oldlol:

Proud to be an American, real shit.

[Dresta]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZBaJU_Cvo
Really disgraceful.

Then if you try to say these people should have to assimilate if they want to live here you get branded with the idiotic word 'islamophobe' as if you harbour some kind of racial prejudice. In the meantime, the police are completely unwilling to crack down on practices like FGM and enforced sharia courts because it is 'a sensitive cultural issue.'

Bunch of ****ing masochists in this country :facepalm .

[KingBeasley08]

Really stupid move by Angola.

All this will achieve is to ensure that they have more terrorist attacks.
This. All this did is speed up civil war :oldlol:

[tomtucker]

Really stupid move by Angola.

All this will achieve is to ensure that they have more terrorist attacks.

yes, it was better before when we only had a few here and there

[OldSkoolball#52]

I fixed your quote for you, makes more sense this way


No it doesn't.

The only radical fundamentalism that's increasing within any religion belongs to Islam.

[moaz]

some facts:

Muslims make about 500000 of the total of around 19 mil population of Angola

There has never been any terrorist act/ political demand / territorial claim or even a demonstration conducted by Muslims in Angola

This will badly backfire.

@Trollmaster
Britain has colonized many other countries in its glorious history. It is time to adjust that. You can't do anything about it. Go and learn Urdu

[senelcoolidge]

I don't know how many of you guys have been in Muslim countries or countries that have a large Muslim population. All I can say is that they are bullies. Some of these people will kill you for the smallest reason without hesitation.

[pauk]

I haven't heard of any Christian and Buddhist terrorist groups lately. Don't be afraid to be labeled a bigot. The truth is the truth. Islam is a fraud and is being run by radicals.

Guess you have never heard of christian & buddhist criminals, rapists, pedophiles, robbers, killers, drug dealers, thugs, racists, psychos, murderers and so on and so on.... ?

...or you dont know what the word "terror" means?

[pauk]

I don't know how many of you guys have been in Muslim countries or countries that have a large Muslim population. All I can say is that they are bullies. Some of these people will kill you for the smallest reason without hesitation.

I live infact in fr. Yugoslavia, in Bosnia there is majority muslims for a very long time, never had war or terror caused by Bosnians, only by defense... for example when the CHRISTIANS (Serbs) decided to rape entire fr. Yugoslavia.. including going at war against other Christian people here like Croatians....

You are an idiot, just like Patrick Chewing...

[OldSkoolball#52]

Guess you have never heard of christian & buddhist criminals, rapists, pedophiles, robbers, killers, drug dealers, thugs, racists, psychos, murderers and so on and so on.... ?

...or you dont know what the word "terror" means?


Yeah but muslims are the only ones that wear towels on their heads :confusedshrug:

[Jailblazers7]

Striking out against fundamentalist religion seems to be fighting a symptom and not the ultimate cause in most cases. There would be some secular group that would take the role of extremist Islam simply due to the socioeconomic environment of that region.

[pauk]

Yeah but muslims are the only ones that wear towels on their heads :confusedshrug:

You are talking about Arabian people.... the "towel" has nothing to do with Islam, but tradition... hence why you will see even Christian Arabic people were that "towel".....

You wont see the "towel" in other muslim countries away from the middle-east like in the Balkans for example, hell you wont even notice who is muslim or not if you come here to fr. Yugoslavia.....

Just because Christian Mexicans occasionally run around with Sombrerors doesnt mean other Christians from other traditions/countries do it to....

Again... it seems like many of you guys here have ZERO knowledge on Islam...

[DonDadda59]

The only radical fundamentalism that's increasing within any religion belongs to Islam.

You should take a day trip to the Creation Museum in lovely Petersburg, Kentucky. Christian fundamentalism may not be aimed at destroying 'infidels' with bombings and suicide attacks, but they are waging a war against knowledge, scientific advancement, and basic common sense. These people watch reruns of the Flintstones like it's a documentary :oldlol:

What they do may not be as dramatic and attention-grabbing as the Jihadists, but IMO blowing up a bus or shooting up a mall (AKA what plenty of White Christian teenagers do with their parents' gun here regularly anyway) is nowhere near as destructive as creating a generation of pure ignorance.

I say we do away with it all and get everyone to finally leave the stone age mentality behind.

[OldSkoolball#52]

You should take a day trip to the Creation Museum in lovely Petersburg, Kentucky. Christian fundamentalism may not be aimed at destroying 'infidels' with bombings and suicide attacks, but they are waging a war against knowledge, scientific advancement, and basic common sense. These people watch reruns of the Flintstones like it's a documentary :oldlol:

What they do may not be as dramatic and attention-grabbing as the Jihadists, but IMO blowing up a bus or shooting up a mall (AKA what plenty of White Christian teenagers do with their parents' gun here regularly anyway) is nowhere near as destructive as creating a generation of pure ignorance.

I say we do away with it all and get everyone to finally leave the stone age mentality behind.


But I said Islam is the only one that is increasing in numbers. Fundies contnue to keep a strong grip in America, but as a group theyre not growing, if anything I believe its declining slowly.

Honestly, who cares what others believe if its not affecting the lives of everyone else. There are people on this board who INSIST life must exist elsewhere in the universe. They claim to be SURE of it, based on watching a few science docs on the size of the universe. Is their belief founded in evidence? Experiment? Math? No. Its just something they insist on believing.

"The only thing I know, is I know nothing." - Socrates


I am a supporter of science but I take even it with a grain of salt when it comes its more existential intersections with reality.

I say people can believe whatever they want, just dont tread on me. That includes not ****ing up my holiday shopping at the mall with a suicide bomb.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Haters gonna hate :oldlol:

[OldSkoolball#52]

You are talking about Arabian people.... the "towel" has nothing to do with Islam, but tradition... hence why you will see even Christian Arabic people were that "towel".....

You wont see the "towel" in other muslim countries away from the middle-east like in the Balkans for example, hell you wont even notice who is muslim or not if you come here to fr. Yugoslavia.....

Just because Christian Mexicans occasionally run around with Sombrerors doesnt mean other Christians from other traditions/countries do it to....

Again... it seems like many of you guys here have ZERO knowledge on Islam...



Muslim, Arabian... Its all the same when theres a towel on your head.

[FiveRings]

I hate Islam, but I can not support the banning of any religion or belief system.

[code green]

As a Middle Eastern Christian, banning Islam isn't the answer. Banning Saudi Arabia from the rest of the world is the answer. Who do you think funds all the radicals in these countries?

[Patrick Chewing]

Guess you have never heard of christian & buddhist criminals, rapists, pedophiles, robbers, killers, drug dealers, thugs, racists, psychos, murderers and so on and so on.... ?

...or you dont know what the word "terror" means?


Listen, I know you're a Muslim and I'm truly sorry that you are. I'm a Christian, and I can tell you from the bottom of my heart that it is way better to live a life with Christ than it is with Mohammed.

No, I don't go around promoting Christianity and wagging my finger around. That's a false stereotype of Christians. Mainly, I mind my own business and I feel happy and whole with my religion.

The same cannot be said for Islam. Christians are not blowing up cars and buildings and flying planes into buildings killing thousands. Christians do not kill themselves in the name of Jesus Christ. Your comparison of murderers and rapists doesn't hold up and it's stupid on your part to deny the truth of your religion.

By your logic, you're trying to tell us that the drug cartels are dealing drugs and killing people cause Christ and the Bible is telling them to do so. Uhh no, that's not the case.

[KingBeasley08]

Listen, I know you're a Muslim and I'm truly sorry that you are. I'm a Christian, and I can tell you from the bottom of my heart that it is way better to live a life with Christ than it is with Mohammed.

No, I don't go around promoting Christianity and wagging my finger around. That's a false stereotype of Christians. Mainly, I mind my own business and I feel happy and whole with my religion.

The same cannot be said for Islam. Christians are not blowing up cars and buildings and flying planes into buildings killing thousands. Christians do not kill themselves in the name of Jesus Christ. Your comparison of murderers and rapists doesn't hold up and it's stupid on your part to deny the truth of your religion.

By your logic, you're trying to tell us that the drug cartels are dealing drugs and killing people cause Christ and the Bible is telling them to do so. Uhh no, that's not the case.
:wtf: :lol

I support anyone that follows any religion like that but lines like that always me chuckle at the religious folk a little

[LJJ]

You are talking about Arabian people.... the "towel" has nothing to do with Islam, but tradition... hence why you will see even Christian Arabic people were that "towel".....

You wont see the "towel" in other muslim countries away from the middle-east like in the Balkans for example, hell you wont even notice who is muslim or not if you come here to fr. Yugoslavia.....

Just because Christian Mexicans occasionally run around with Sombrerors doesnt mean other Christians from other traditions/countries do it to....

Again... it seems like many of you guys here have ZERO knowledge on Islam...

When i went to Sarajevo I saw tons of this:

http://i.imgur.com/6F1i05M.jpg

You go to Malaysia, Indonesia, north Africa, etc, you will see tons of Muslims wearing towels on their heads. It's not everywhere as uniform as it is in Iran (where it's flat out illegal for women not to wear the towel), but it does seem like a fairly prevalent tradition that finds a basis in Islam, not just local customs.

[Dresta]

Striking out against fundamentalist religion seems to be fighting a symptom and not the ultimate cause in most cases. There would be some secular group that would take the role of extremist Islam simply due to the socioeconomic environment of that region.
errr... no. Religious fundamentalists are the cause and perpetuator of poverty and misery, not the product of it; it is what happens when you try to run a country out of a holy book, especially a holy book dictated by an illiterate and epileptic herder of sheep.

[MavsSuperFan]

As a Middle Eastern Christian, banning Islam isn't the answer. Banning Saudi Arabia from the rest of the world is the answer. Who do you think funds all the radicals in these countries?

I doubt its the power establishment of saudi arabia.

The house of saud is as afraid of islamic extremists like OBL as anyone. The House of Saud isnt really all that islamic. They are a dictatorship more than they are a theocracy, which they also are, but the part that is more important to them is the money and power.

[Bosnian Sajo]

When i went to Sarajevo I saw tons of this:

http://i.imgur.com/6F1i05M.jpg

You go to Malaysia, Indonesia, north Africa, etc, you will see tons of Muslims wearing towels on their heads. It's not everywhere as uniform as it is in Iran (where it's flat out illegal for women not to wear the towel), but it does seem like a fairly prevalent tradition that finds a basis in Islam, not just local customs.

Pauk was talking about turbans I'm sure, of course you're gonna see covered women in Muslim countries. It is something that is obligatory, even though most muslim women don't wear hijabs.

[Bosnian Sajo]

I doubt its the power establishment of saudi arabia.

The house of saud is as afraid of islamic extremists like OBL as anyone. The House of Saud isnt really all that islamic. They are a dictatorship more than they are a theocracy, which they also are, but the part that is more important to them is the money and power.

Spot on.



Listen, I know you're a Muslim and I'm truly sorry that you are. I'm a Christian, and I can tell you from the bottom of my heart that it is way better to live a life with Christ than it is with Mohammed.

No, I don't go around promoting Christianity and wagging my finger around. That's a false stereotype of Christians. Mainly, I mind my own business and I feel happy and whole with my religion.

We all have our own opinions. Of course you are going to think life is better with Christ than it is Mohammed, you were raised Christian no? Just like I was raised Muslim, and love Islam and would never even for a second imagine myself believing in any other religion. I don't go around promoting Islam either or wagging my ****ing finger, I too mind my own damn business and feel more than happy with my religion. Every time I enter a mosque there is not a brother who doesn't smile and extend his hand out to great me, and most of the time it's complete strangers. The love and respect we have for each other is like no other, no where else do I feel as calm and peace at mind as I do when I'm in a mosque.

[Miss Bella]

Spot on.




We all have our own opinions. Of course you are going to think life is better with Christ than it is Mohammed, you were raised Christian no? Just like I was raised Muslim, and love Islam and would never even for a second imagine myself believing in any other religion. I don't go around promoting Islam either or wagging my ****ing finger, I too mind my own damn business and feel more than happy with my religion. Every time I enter a mosque there is not a brother who doesn't smile and extend his hand out to great me, and most of the time it's complete strangers. The love and respect we have for each other is like no other, no where else do I feel as calm and peace at mind as I do when I'm in a mosque.

That is nice :D

But I just looked at this video posted earlier in this thread and from what I have seen and that is very limited Muslims seem to have some kind of hate towards non Muslims, they don't respect anyone being non Muslim they ban other religions in their own countries and expect other countries to give them Sharia laws. Now if you listen to the woman when she interviewed the two men around the 2 minute mark is that the opinion of most Muslims or are those just extremists?

I don't see anything newsworthy in an article such as the one posted above since the same methods are preached all over middle east by Islamic countries.

Forgot to post the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psZBaJU_Cvo

[Bosnian Sajo]

I hate those ****ing terrorist more than any of you on this forum, because they do more harm to me than any of you, unless any of you have been affected by them first hand. Actually think about it for a second, these guys give you a reason to hate our religion, even though what they are doing is COMPLETELY against our religion. They are Wahhabi muslims, and are totally different from Sunni's.

I could go my entire life not doing a single thing wrong and STILL Ill have morons like Patrick Chewing hate me for my beliefs alone.

[Miss Bella]

Something that also caught me off hand was the Muslim priest saying "if the law of the land is Islamic we will respect the law of the land, if it is not islamic the law of the land and the ones making it can go to hell"

Why does this priest not move back to his islamic paradise? sickening.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Something that also caught me off hand was the Muslim priest saying "if the law of the land is Islamic we will respect the law of the land, if it is not islamic the law of the land and the ones making it can go to hell"

Why does this priest not move back to his islamic paradise? sickening.

That priest falls within the minority of muslims, not majority. In the Quran, it says we have to obey the law of the land where we live UNLESS the law is forcing us to disobey Allah (swt). Examples of forcing us to disobey would be not allowing us to freely worship our religion, not allowing women to be covered, forcing men to shave their beards etc. But the UK, to my knowledge, does not ban any of those things, so what that priest is preaching is false. In fact, it would be haram (sin) not to follow the law of the land where you live, if you're living somewhere like the USA or UK where they let you practice your religion freely.

[Big_Dogg]

I have no problem with religion or relgious people, but if your religion impacts on my life and how I live it, then there is a problem.

As far as I'm concerned, secular living is the only way to go, and all religions should be required to pay taxes and have no input in the formation of political or economic policy, there, I said it.

[imdaman99]

I hate those ****ing terrorist more than any of you on this forum, because they do more harm to me than any of you, unless any of you have been affected by them first hand. Actually think about it for a second, these guys give you a reason to hate our religion, even though what they are doing is COMPLETELY against our religion. They are Wahhabi muslims, and are totally different from Sunni's.

I could go my entire life not doing a single thing wrong and STILL Ill have morons like Patrick Chewing hate me for my beliefs alone.
Preach it brotha :cheers:

Chewing spews anti Islamic hate everytime there is a thread on it. Allow it.

[Miss Bella]

That priest falls within the minority of muslims, not majority. In the Quran, it says we have to obey the law of the land where we live UNLESS the law is forcing us to disobey Allah (swt). Examples of forcing us to disobey would be not allowing us to freely worship our religion, not allowing women to be covered, forcing men to shave their beards etc. But the UK, to my knowledge, does not ban any of those things, so what that priest is preaching is false.

But do they do the same? does islamic countries accept and tolerate other religions and let them practice it freely?

I know Saudi Arabia bans other religions and they are like you Sunnis mostly. So let us forget the terrorist tag Muslims have been branded but don't you think Islam are very xenophobic while also invading other countries where they are very open and give them the right to practice their religion and so on.

[Miss Bella]

I have no problem with religion or relgious people, but if your religion impacts on my life and how I live it, then there is a problem.

As far as I'm concerned, secular living is the only way to go, and all religions should be required to pay taxes and have no input in the formation of political or economic policy, there, I said it.

Why should religious people pay tax you stupid moron?

[LJJ]

Lol at this guy stating what is obligatory in Islam and what is forbidden. There is an endless stream of controversies within the Islamic community in regard to these things. Islam, like all religions is wildly inconsistent and deeply warped by tribal, cultural and personal norms.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Lol at this guy stating what is obligatory in Islam and what is forbidden. There is an endless stream of controversies within the Islamic community in regard to these things. Islam, like all religions is wildly inconsistent and deeply warped by tribal, cultural and personal norms.

He asked me a specific question, I gave him a specific answer.

[Bosnian Sajo]

But do they do the same? does islamic countries accept and tolerate other religions and let them practice it freely?

I haven't visited any other Muslim country other than my home country of Bosnia, so I couldn't really answer that as I don't know. Are they supposed to? Yes. Do they? No clue.



I know Saudi Arabia bans other religions and they are like you Sunnis mostly. So let us forget the terrorist tag Muslims have been branded but don't you think Islam are very xenophobic while also invading other countries where they are very open and give them the right to practice their religion and so on.

Wahhabi's have had an Alliance with the House of Ibn Saud since the 18th century, So I wouldn't use them as an example.

[LJJ]

He asked me a specific question, I gave him a specific answer.

A wrong answer. You just give your personal interpretation of Islam and then state that this is the broad consensus and everything else is false and they aren't real Muslims. Lol.



But do they do the same? does islamic countries accept and tolerate other religions and let them practice it freely?

Lol, hell no.

[Bosnian Sajo]

A wrong answer. You just give your personal interpretation of Islam and then state that this is the broad consensus and everything else is false and they aren't real Muslims. Lol.




What makes you think that is my personal interpretation? A lot of you seem to not know anything about Islam at all :oldlol:

Do you know how many sects there are in Islam? Its not just Sunni and Shia, it goes much deeper than that. I am a Hanafi Sunni Muslim, and I know for a fact that what I stated earlier is not my "personal interpretation". I have no personal interpretation, otherwise I would not be a Hanafi muslim.

[longtime lurker]

But do they do the same? does islamic countries accept and tolerate other religions and let them practice it freely?

I know Saudi Arabia bans other religions and they are like you Sunnis mostly. So let us forget the terrorist tag Muslims have been branded but don't you think Islam are very xenophobic while also invading other countries where they are very open and give them the right to practice their religion and so on.

The extremists use religion as a way to maintain and consolidate their power. What they practice are fear tactics, no different than Christian preachers that want to nuke the whole middle east and iradicate islam.

[D-Wade316]

Listen, I know you're a Muslim and I'm truly sorry that you are. I'm a Christian, and I can tell you from the bottom of my heart that it is way better to live a life with Christ than it is with Mohammed.

No, I don't go around promoting Christianity and wagging my finger around. That's a false stereotype of Christians. Mainly, I mind my own business and I feel happy and whole with my religion.

The same cannot be said for Islam. Christians are not blowing up cars and buildings and flying planes into buildings killing thousands. Christians do not kill themselves in the name of Jesus Christ. Your comparison of murderers and rapists doesn't hold up and it's stupid on your part to deny the truth of your religion.

By your logic, you're trying to tell us that the drug cartels are dealing drugs and killing people cause Christ and the Bible is telling them to do so. Uhh no, that's not the case.
How come you aren't banned yet? :facepalm

[LJJ]

What makes you think that is my personal interpretation? A lot of you seem to not know anything about Islam at all :oldlol:

Do you know how many sects there are in Islam? Its not just Sunni and Shia, it goes much deeper than that. I am a Hanafi Sunni Muslim, and I know for a fact that what I stated earlier is not my "personal interpretation". I have no personal interpretation, otherwise I would not be a Hanafi muslim.

And you speak for all Hanafi Muslims huh?

:rolleyes:

I know plenty of them who would disagree with stuff you said in this very thread, but I guess you simply think their version of Hanafi Islam is heretical and your version is the only true religion of god. :lol

All the stuff you said about what the majority of Muslims think and what is false preaching according to Islam is your personal interpretation, and where it's not your personal interpretatio it's straight up wrong.

[Patrick Chewing]

I could go my entire life not doing a single thing wrong and STILL Ill have morons like Patrick Chewing hate me for my beliefs alone.


I don't hate you, bro. I hate your belief system. Whether you want to call yourself a peaceful Muslim is fine with me and you can throw the dirty terrorists under the bus all you want, but that's not the only thing wrong with Islam.

What about the way women are treated? Sharia law? All that nonsense. This peaceful religion idea is and has always been a farce.

[Bosnian Sajo]

And you speak for all Hanafi Muslims huh?

:rolleyes:

I know plenty of them who would disagree with stuff you said in this very thread, but I guess you simply think their version of Hanafi Islam is heretical and your version is the only true religion of god. :lol


All the stuff you said about what the majority of Muslims think and what is false preaching according to Islam is your personal interpretation, and where it's not your personal interpretatio it's straight up wrong.

Okay, you got my attention.

What have I said in this thread so far?

- Wearing a Hijab is obligatory

- You must obey the law of the land in which you live, unless the law is forcing you to disobey Allah (swt)

- Islamic countries are supposed to tolerate other religions. (this one I haven't fully elaborated on, however, I can if you would like me to)

These are the only things I have "preached" (if you want to call it that) in this thread. I haven't said a single time in this thread "the majority of muslims think blah blah blah", so please don't put words in my mouth. I did however say that the Priest in that video falls in with the minority because his views are not the views of the hanafi school of law, or of any of the other 3 to be exact.

I don't speak for all hanafi muslims, however, I do speak for the Hanafi school of law. BTW how would you know your friends would disagree with me? And even if they would disagree with me, what makes their word stronger than mine? How do you know your friends aren't the ones who are doing the personal interpretations? Have you studied this very school of law as I have been for my entire life? Didn't think that one through, did you?

So tell me. Where exactly am I wrong in all of this?

[Bosnian Sajo]

And LJJ, please don't say this is "my version". It is not my version, it is the Hanafi version.

[Big_Dogg]

Why should religious people pay tax you stupid moron?

Can you not read, I said religions, not the people.

Why should a religion be tax exempt, if you're such a smartass, give me one valid reason.

Otherwise it would be a good idea to refrain from calling people morons when you misunderstood what was being said in the first place.

[LJJ]

Okay, you got my attention.

What have I said in this thread so far?

- Wearing a Hijab is obligatory

- You must obey the law of the land in which you live, unless the law is forcing you to disobey Allah (swt)

- Islamic countries are supposed to tolerate other religions. (this one I haven't fully elaborated on, however, I can if you would like me to)

These are the only things I have "preached" (if you want to call it that) in this thread. I haven't said a single time in this thread "the majority of muslims think blah blah blah", so please don't put words in my mouth. I did however say that the Priest in that video falls in with the minority because his views are not the views of the hanafi school of law, or of any of the other 3 to be exact.

I don't speak for all hanafi muslims, however, I do speak for the Hanafi school of law. BTW how would you know your friends would disagree with me? And even if they would disagree with me, what makes their word stronger than mine? How do you know your friends aren't the ones who are doing the personal interpretations? Have you studied this very school of law as I have been for my entire life? Didn't think that one through, did you?

So tell me. Where exactly am I wrong in all of this?


That priest falls within the minority of muslims, not majority. In the Quran, it says we have to obey the law of the land where we live UNLESS the law is forcing us to disobey Allah (swt). Examples of forcing us to disobey would be not allowing us to freely worship our religion, not allowing women to be covered, forcing men to shave their beards etc. But the UK, to my knowledge, does not ban any of those things, so what that priest is preaching is false. In fact, it would be haram (sin) not to follow the law of the land where you live, if you're living somewhere like the USA or UK where they let you practice your religion freely.

:roll: Damn son.

[Big_Dogg]

I don't hate you, bro. I hate your belief system. Whether you want to call yourself a peaceful Muslim is fine with me and you can throw the dirty terrorists under the bus all you want, but that's not the only thing wrong with Islam.

What about the way women are treated? Sharia law? All that nonsense. This peaceful religion idea is and has always been a farce.


If you're a Christian and preaching that Christianity is a religion of peace while stating Islam is not, you obviously don't know much about your own faith.

As you said previously, I don't hate you, I hate your beliefs, and stating that Christianity and the way of Christ is in any way moe righteous and peaceful than that of islam is utter bullshit.

Not hating, just stating facts

[Bosnian Sajo]

:roll: Damn son.

Are you serious....Did you stop reading after the sentence you bolded?



These are the only things I have "preached" (if you want to call it that) in this thread. I haven't said a single time in this thread "the majority of muslims think blah blah blah", so please don't put words in my mouth. I did however say that the Priest in that video falls in with the minority because his views are not the views of the hanafi school of law, or of any of the other 3 to be exact.


Come on LJJ, that's all you could come up with?? I understand that I completely proved you wrong and twisted your own argument against you, but you can do better than a smiley and 2 words...can you?

[LJJ]

Are you serious....Did you stop reading after the sentence you bolded?



Come on LJJ, that's all you could come up with?? I understand that I completely proved you wrong and twisted your own argument against you, but you can do better than a smiley and 2 words...can you?

Yeah, all I had to do was point out that you actually said "I never said that the majority of Muslims think this or that, except when I said the majority of Muslims think this or that". It's your own contradiction idiot, not mine. In fact you made it twice and still think nothing of it. lol. And when I see stuff like that I really don't feel like going into the other nonsense you posted.

[Patrick Chewing]

If you're a Christian and preaching that Christianity is a religion of peace while stating Islam is not, you obviously don't know much about your own faith.

As you said previously, I don't hate you, I hate your beliefs, and stating that Christianity and the way of Christ is in any way moe righteous and peaceful than that of islam is utter bullshit.

Not hating, just stating facts


We don't need a history lesson. Yes, Christianity has had its violent past, but it is not the terror that Islam is now. We are not living in the past here and Angola's gripe here is with radical Islam, not radical Christianity.

Christianity's violent past is just that, past. To say that it's bullshit that Christianity and the way of Christ is more peaceful than Islam is wrong.


Show me the Christian suicide bomber and show me how he did it in the name of Christianity.

Show me the Christian hijacker of planes

Show me the mistreatment of women due to "Christian law or doctrine"

Show me Christian justice and the stoning of women



You can't.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Yeah, all I had to do was point out that you actually said "I never said that the majority of Muslims think this or that, except when I said the majority of Muslims think this or that". It's your own contradiction idiot, not mine. In fact you made it twice and still think nothing of it. lol. And when I see stuff like that I really don't feel like going into the other nonsense you posted.



Ahhhh, there it is! That's what I was waiting for, an excuse to end the argument, because really, you don't have a response to my post. How could you, its not like I am making stuff up.

I didn't contradict myself. I know English isn't your first language, so it might be hard to comprehend what I am typing. Would you like me to try to translate it for you in Dutch?

I don't have to call you an idiot, you proved to all of us that you are one. I honestly thought that from the soccer thread you were a quality poster, but look at you. Using troll tactics to get out of a situation in which you know you're in the wrong. At least you showed your true colors.

[Patrick Chewing]

Muslims slaughter at least 71 Christians in Nigeria

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/11/muslims-slaughter-at-least-at-least-71-christians-in-nigeria.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


Angola is being proactive with news like this at least.

[tomtucker]

this guy has some good videos up loaded
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwPxgMFIR30

.Muslim Slaps British Girl For Not Giving Her Phone Number


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwPxgMFIR30

arab and goat

[BRabbiT]

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2010/10/05/47264-angolas-president-jose-eduardo-dos-santos-talks-to-journalis.jpg
[QUOTE]
Angola Denies It Banned Islam, Destroyed Mosques

...an official at the Angolan Embassy in Washington, D.C., who did not want to be identified while discussing the sensitive matter, said that there is no such ban and that the reports are erroneous.

[pauk]

Patrick Chewing, please be careful with your Islam cynicism at least when you are talking about it with us Bosnians.... Why? Because if i showed you what happened there not that extremly long time ago, WHY it happened, WHO caused it and by WHOM it happened in the name of Jesus Christ and how MANY they killed/raped/tortured (in any way you could possibly immagine) for many years you would stop being a Christian right now.....

I immigrated to Denmark in the 90s for obvious reasons, there i met also many Angolans (ALL were muslims).... we both shared something incommon, running away from Christian TERRORISTS..... why do you think YOU (Americans) came to the rescue and helped us........... for the same exact reason YOU (Americans) took part of WW2 coming to the rescue for Jews in WW2 (again something just so happened to be caused by Germans, Christians, oops?)......... Christians vs Christians because they want to help Muslims/Jews, what?!

...thats why I still dont blame religion or have bad feelings towards Christianity.... that is just shallow way of thinking.... nothing wrong with any religion, but there is lots of wrong with PEOPLE, many have a screw loose and they would wreak havoc no matter what religion they had or didnt have any religion at all, do you understand the term "screw loose", those people create their own interpretation of what the Bible or the KoRan says/means to fit their distorted minds..... In fr. Yugoslavia muslims/christians lived in peace and harmony forever (and it still is so).... hell i am half Muslim/Christian.... nobody cares... it was always great, until that dictator came around....

[moey-]

Show me the Christian suicide bomber and show me how he did it in the name of Christianity.


The first recorded suicide bombing came from Christian soldiers during the Crusades to free The Holy City of Jerusalem from the control of Muslim armies. During the Crusades, the Knights Templar destroyed one of their own ships with 140 Christians on board in order to kill 10 times as many Muslims in the opposing fleet.

http://news.sky.com/story/357924/suicide-bombing-the-first-was-a-christian



Show me the Christian hijacker of planes


A religious fanatic hijacked an airliner yesterday because the date, 9-9-09, was 'the satanic number 666 turned upside down'.


The Bible-carrying hijacker stood up as the plane was landing and told a flight attendant that a juice can he was carrying was a bomb.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1212423/Religious-fanatic-hijacks-plane-en-route-Mexican-beach-resort-Cancun.html#ixzz2lrAB7NPS




Show me the mistreatment of women due to "Christian law or doctrine"

The Biblical view of women

The God of the Bible decrees that woman must submit to the dominance of man.


"The social and legal position of an Israelite wife was inferior to the position a wife occupied in the great countries round about... all the texts show that Israelites wanted mainly sons to perpetuate the family line and fortune, and to preserve the ancestral inheritance... A husband could divorce his wife; women on the other hand could not ask for divorce... the wife called her husband Ba'al or master; she also called him adon or lord; she addressed him, in fact, as a slave addressed his master or subject, his king. The Decalogue includes a man's wife among his possessions... all her life she remains a minor. The wife does not inherit from her husband, nor daughters from their father, except when there is no male heir. A vow made by a girl or married woman needs, to be valid, the consent of the father or husband and if this consent is withheld, the vow is null and void. A man had a right to sell his daughter. Women were excluded from the succession."

-Roland de Vaux, archaeologist and priest





Show me Christian justice and the stoning of women



Burn The Daughter!

"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 21:9)


If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. [Levictus-20:13]


Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him. The sojourner as well as the native, when he blasphemes the Name, shall be put to death. [Levictus-24:16]




You can't.

I just did.

[Trollsmasher]

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2010/10/05/47264-angolas-president-jose-eduardo-dos-santos-talks-to-journalis.jpg




Angola may just be testing the waters.

But after the world reacts, I doubt Angola "bans" Islam.
They would obviously try to cover it before the muslim Obama.

[dr.hee]

To say that it's bullshit that Christianity and the way of Christ is more peaceful than Islam is wrong.

I'd argue that's not the case because Christianity is inherently peaceful, but more a consequence of the fact that political and military influence of religious authorities has been diminished in western countries over the centuries. Give them back their power, and we're approaching the middle ages once again. The biggest source of progress for Christianity ( even though many believers might not admit it) has been secularism in my opinion, essentially forcing them to accept modern moral and societal standards. To me, that's the biggest advantage of Christianity over ( at least current) Islam...the ability to adapt to cultural changes and adjust doctrines to match cultural standards without giving up the foundations of their religion's identity. Appears to be much easier for Christian denominations than many subsets of Islam.

So in my opinion, just like Christianity, Islam needs a reformation through secular movements. Won't go without violence, European history has shown that in order to tone down religious influence in political and moral matters, there's a high price to pay. But long term, Islamic countries will have to go through the same processes.

[Dresta]

I'd argue that's not the case because Christianity is inherently peaceful, but more a consequence of the fact that political and military influence of religious authorities has been diminished in western countries over the centuries. Give them back their power, and we're approaching the middle ages once again. The biggest source of progress for Christianity ( even though many believers might not admit it) has been secularism in my opinion, essentially forcing them to accept modern moral and societal standards. To me, that's the biggest advantage of Christianity over ( at least current) Islam...the ability to adapt to cultural changes and adjust doctrines to match cultural standards without giving up the foundations of their religion's identity. Appears to be much easier for Christian denominations than many subsets of Islam.

So in my opinion, just like Christianity, Islam needs a reformation through secular movements. Won't go without violence, European history has shown that in order to tone down religious influence in political and moral matters, there's a high price to pay. But long term, Islamic countries will have to go through the same processes.Islam may be particularly hard to reform though, because it claims to be the 'final' revelation or the final words of God - it is explicit within the religion that there is no need for any further reform.

[Dresta]

I'd argue that's not the case because Christianity is inherently peaceful, but more a consequence of the fact that political and military influence of religious authorities has been diminished in western countries over the centuries. Give them back their power, and we're approaching the middle ages once again. The biggest source of progress for Christianity ( even though many believers might not admit it) has been secularism in my opinion, essentially forcing them to accept modern moral and societal standards. To me, that's the biggest advantage of Christianity over ( at least current) Islam...the ability to adapt to cultural changes and adjust doctrines to match cultural standards without giving up the foundations of their religion's identity. Appears to be much easier for Christian denominations than many subsets of Islam.

So in my opinion, just like Christianity, Islam needs a reformation through secular movements. Won't go without violence, European history has shown that in order to tone down religious influence in political and moral matters, there's a high price to pay. But long term, Islamic countries will have to go through the same processes.Islam may be particularly hard to reform though, because it claims to be the 'final' revelation or the final words of God - it is explicit within the religion that there is no need for any further reform.

[Patrick Chewing]

http://news.sky.com/story/357924/suicide-bombing-the-first-was-a-christian





http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1212423/Religious-fanatic-hijacks-plane-en-route-Mexican-beach-resort-Cancun.html#ixzz2lrAB7NPS





The Biblical view of women

The God of the Bible decrees that woman must submit to the dominance of man.

















I just did.


I made it clear in my first sentence that we do not need a history lesson, and what's the first thing you do? Provide us with events that happened more than a millennium ago. None of those events relate to what is happening today.

[Patrick Chewing]

I'd argue that's not the case because Christianity is inherently peaceful, but more a consequence of the fact that political and military influence of religious authorities has been diminished in western countries over the centuries. Give them back their power, and we're approaching the middle ages once again. The biggest source of progress for Christianity ( even though many believers might not admit it) has been secularism in my opinion, essentially forcing them to accept modern moral and societal standards. To me, that's the biggest advantage of Christianity over ( at least current) Islam...the ability to adapt to cultural changes and adjust doctrines to match cultural standards without giving up the foundations of their religion's identity. Appears to be much easier for Christian denominations than many subsets of Islam.

So in my opinion, just like Christianity, Islam needs a reformation through secular movements. Won't go without violence, European history has shown that in order to tone down religious influence in political and moral matters, there's a high price to pay. But long term, Islamic countries will have to go through the same processes.


Separate Mosque from State and you can worship whoever you want. Like you said, it worked for the Christians. If the Muslim world can ever adopt this, I'm sure the entire world would be better off. But I just don't see that happening.

[ROCSteady]

some facts:

Muslims make about 500000 of the total of around 19 mil population of Angola

There has never been any terrorist act/ political demand / territorial claim or even a demonstration conducted by Muslims in Angola

This will badly backfire.

@Trollmaster
Britain has colonized many other countries in its glorious history. It is time to adjust that. You can't do anything about it. Go and learn Urdu

There is something 'off' with this post.

You giving absolutes like 'never' and concrete figures to the number of practicing Muslims in a nation that obviously doesn't welcome the religion and passing it off as 'fact' is the first thing that stands out to me. I find it very hard to believe that the nation of Angola has never had some sort of Islamic demonstration or make themselves known outside of the mosque given how vocal the religion tends to be.

As for the last bold, I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say...

Are you advocating some kind of retribution against Britain for its past? Removing English influence from African nations? I don't understand that comment towards Trollsmasher. Comes off pretty ominous and kinda wicked

[ROCSteady]

But I said Islam is the only one that is increasing in numbers. Fundies contnue to keep a strong grip in America, but as a group theyre not growing, if anything I believe its declining slowly.

Honestly, who cares what others believe if its not affecting the lives of everyone else. There are people on this board who INSIST life must exist elsewhere in the universe. They claim to be SURE of it, based on watching a few science docs on the size of the universe. Is their belief founded in evidence? Experiment? Math? No. Its just something they insist on believing.

"The only thing I know, is I know nothing." - Socrates


I am a supporter of science but I take even it with a grain of salt when it comes its more existential intersections with reality.

I say people can believe whatever they want, just dont tread on me. That includes not ****ing up my holiday shopping at the mall with a suicide bomb.

:applause:


wtf Starface? This is an excellent and surprisingly balanced post coming from you.

I was speaking with a rocket scientist this past weekend who is a Christian and basically expressed my loathing of those who buy into Young Earth theory and Creation by citing basic 'facts' of the universe as I have learned them in my college years. Explaining why I feel adverse to the Evangelical subculture that discomforts me with blatant ignorance and a keen aptitude to turn a blind eye to the ugly and impersonal ways of existence

He laid out the basis that far trumped my knowledge that basically left me with the notion that while people who claim to be educated can look down on those who are not, what we consider 'fact' is really still lacking in the burden of proof department.

The amount of discourse within fields of genius level scientists is astounding. One would think if science is consistent and infallible, the basic processes of how we arrive at factual, educated conclusions would not be so wildly and vehemently debated...still.

The bolded statement is really an ultimate conclusion that we as humans must learn to be content with.

[red1]

brb booking a flight to angola so I can bang 99 of their virgins and then stroll down their streets looking like this guy



http://cache4.asset-cache.net/gc/150091990-lebanese-sunni-muslim-cleric-sheikh-ahmad-al-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=GkZZ8bf5zL1ZiijUmxa7Qdsf8bYOoFYJ3mViD61mqBuksV4x XiqailmblIY5ghVFvdn7uofVocdk7ZIhiS8UkA%3D%3D

[red1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgLVkcecP8g