Crazy to think Amare was avging 25 ppg

[wlee43]

just 2 years ago. funny how quickly he fell

[Koop1]

U do know he has a minutes restriction right ?

[Patrick Chewing]

Melo happened

[SacJB Shady]

Melo happened


they don't fit well. But Iverson still scored with melo

[TheMilkyBarKid]

It must be frustrating for him, he was one of my favourite players to watch on the offensive end.
Now knicks fans gotta put up with melo jacking up 25+ shots a game

[TheCorporation]

I remember that year (2011), he was beasting and if the Knicks had more wins he would've been an early potential MVP.

He was putting up 25 points and 8 boards on 50% with 2 blocks and 1 steal per game.

[imnew09]

he had 7 or 8 straight 30 pts game for a period of time :bowdown:

[Scholar]

If he could manage staying healthy, I'm sure Amare could average 20 PPG.


It's funny to see how much Amare, Nash & MDA all fell off without one another. They went from almost perennial WCF contenders to now struggling making the POs or even staying healthy.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Mostly injuries and some Melo.

[andremiller07]

If it were not for that insane contract I'm sure a number of teams would have taken a chance on him and try trade for him but that contract just makes it impossible.

During todays game while his finshing was poor he was actually moving ok from a athletic point of view he's still a solid athlete and fearless attacking the rim. I wonder how far they could have gone had they kept Gallo, Ill Will and Raymond before he got fat probably something similar to last year's team.

[[GR]]

Melo happened
After the trade, Melo averaged 26ppg, and Amare averaged 22.


His body broke down. That's why he took a step back. Last season his per36 was 21ppg

[MetsPackers]

Are people really blaming Melo? Amare is complete trash now and would need a complete green light to jack up a shot every time he touched the ball to match that production, and it would be the ugliest 25ppg you'd ever seen. Guy is a complete black hole on offense. He's done, bottom line. Melo is playing with so much heart out there I feel bad this utterly inept management has put bums like Amare around him

[Teanett]

Are people really blaming Melo? Amare is complete trash now and would need a complete green light to jack up a shot every time he touched the ball to match that production, and it would be the ugliest 25ppg you'd ever seen. Guy is a complete black hole on offense. He's done, bottom line. Melo is playing with so much heart out there I feel bad this utterly inept management has put bums like Amare around him

suck it, asshole.
amar'e was in new york first.
even brokeback mountain amar'e shot 60% last season.
melo's fat-no-defense-playing-constantly-crying-ball-hogging-long-step-back-jumper-shooting-ass could only dream of that.

[MetsPackers]

suck it, asshole.
amar'e was in new york first.
even brokeback mountain amar'e shot 60% last season.
melo's fat-no-defense-playing-constantly-crying-ball-hogging-long-step-back-jumper-shooting-ass could only dream of that.


:roll: :roll:

F@ggots like this are why I don't even talk Knicks on this site. If you watched games at all you'd know that when the Knicks try to feature Amare on offense he does embarrassingly terrible and only bolsters his fg% through clean up duty and not having plays run for him. Oh, Melo plays no defense? Then wtf does Amare do because I literally cringe everytime I see this dude try to "defend", if you could even call it that. I wouldn't even hate the guy as much if not for that massive contract. There's a reason this scrub isn't even getting minutes. If you're insinuating that you'd rather have Amare than Melo then as euroleague would say you are literally a psychopath. Fvck amares scrub ass. I don't think I know one Knick fan in real life who likes him one bit now

[Teanett]

:roll: :roll:

F@ggots like this are why I don't even talk Knicks on this site. If you watched games at all you'd know that when the Knicks try to feature Amare on offense he does embarrassingly terrible and only bolsters his fg% through clean up duty and not having plays run for him. Oh, Melo plays no defense? Then wtf does Amare do because I literally cringe everytime I see this dude try to "defend", if you could even call it that. I wouldn't even hate the guy as much if not for that massive contract. There's a reason this scrub isn't even getting minutes. If you're insinuating that you'd rather have Amare than Melo then as euroleague would say you are literally a psychopath. Fvck amares scrub ass. I don't think I know one Knick fan in real life who likes him one bit now

nobody plays defense on that team.
carmelo anthony is the only player who led his team in scoring in every game this season... en route to a 3-10 record. he's a ****ing ball stopping cancer.
it's troubling that nobody else gets to shoot in the 4th quarter. not even bargs.

[MetsPackers]

Still, Amare isn't gonna help
And if the Knicks resign Bargs he'll just be the new Amare in 3 years. A one-dimensional guy who needs the ball constantly to be effective. Melo wasn't signed to be a defender, he's a perimeter scorer and he's done an amazing job at that. The problem with Amare is that he is a big man who brings nothing to the table in terms of rebounding and defense, two of the Knicks biggest weaknesses. And despite knowing that is exactly what the team needs, when he gets on the court he just wants to score. Selfish and useless, a bad combination. We could win with Melo defending poorly if we had Tyson and another good rebounder/defender, but we don't. Who do we have instead? Two big men being paid huge amounts who are literally so bad at defense and rebounding that it has become a huge joke to all NBA fans. That's why I hate Amare. Bargs is fine for now but watch 3 years down the line if he's still with the Knicks he'll be on Amare level scrub status

[All Net]

Injures happened..

[CelticBaller]

U do know he has a minutes restriction right ?
Because of his health of course, if they give him the same minutes and he will literally fall off :lol

[Teanett]

Still, Amare isn't gonna help
And if the Knicks resign Bargs he'll just be the new Amare in 3 years. A one-dimensional guy who needs the ball constantly to be effective. Melo wasn't signed to be a defender, he's a perimeter scorer and he's done an amazing job at that. The problem with Amare is that he is a big man who brings nothing to the table in terms of rebounding and defense, two of the Knicks biggest weaknesses. And despite knowing that is exactly what the team needs, when he gets on the court he just wants to score. Selfish and useless, a bad combination. We could win with Melo defending poorly if we had Tyson and another good rebounder/defender, but we don't. Who do we have instead? Two big men being paid huge amounts who are literally so bad at defense and rebounding that it has become a huge joke to all NBA fans. That's why I hate Amare. Bargs is fine for now but watch 3 years down the line if he's still with the Knicks he'll be on Amare level scrub status

alright, so you're fine with melo yelling out "i got it" on every uncontested
rebound, dribbling up the ball in tortoise speed and jacking up a shot???
he did this on four straight possessions in the 3rd quarter.
look at the other players! they're pissed off because of it.
d'antoni once said the ball will find energy; ball movement creates energy, not only physical but mental energy. positivity. melo didnt buy into it.

melo and jr smith are cancers. they are sucking all life and energy from this team.

[STATUTORY]

Melo happened

was going to post samething

you are one of the more sane knicks fans not to be enamored with melo

[Fresh Kid]

U do know he has a minutes restriction right ?
I agree. Thats exactly why he don't average like that anymore. Stoudemire is not even tha 2nd option anymore, so what do everyone expect?

[OmniStrife]

He misses these guys:

http://i.imgur.com/rnfy9s9.png

[imdaman99]

He was doing that under Dantoni... so basically Melo + Woodson happened.

There is no offensive system under Woodson. Say what you want about Dantoni, but he had a clue on offense.

[iDunk]

I think he had like 5-8 injuries since 2011. It's actually pretty amazing that he's still able to score effectively.

[MetsPackers]

alright, so you're fine with melo yelling out "i got it" on every uncontested
rebound, dribbling up the ball in tortoise speed and jacking up a shot???
he did this on four straight possessions in the 3rd quarter.
look at the other players! they're pissed off because of it.
d'antoni once said the ball will find energy; ball movement creates energy, not only physical but mental energy. positivity. melo didnt buy into it.

melo and jr smith are cancers. they are sucking all life and energy from this team.

You make it sound like Melo is a Rudy Gay or Derozan level chucker. I personally don't care who gets an uncontested rebound and if the other guys on the team are mad that Melo gets them than they don't have the right mentality anyway. Its the contested rebounds in traffic that these soft big for nothing f@ggots like Amare and Bargs need to be looking for. JR is definitely a cancer no doubt. Only guys on this team that should be there are Melo, Shump, and Tyson. Everyone else can easily be upgraded. Guys like Melo don't grow on trees. If we had a good playmaking/distributing PG then Melo wouldn't have to bring the ball up and create so much. Melo can create for himself, same as Felton. We need a PG who can create for others. There's a reason Melo isn't getting heat for the Knicks poor record; he's doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing. It's everyone else who's been fvcking up. The team is just poorly constructed and should be blown up but management is so inept that it won't happen

In your ideal scenario what happens on the offense? You act like we got the Spurs out there and Melo is just fvcking it up. Say Felton brings the ball up, doesn't pass to Melo. Instead, passes to Bargs. You think Bargs is about to run a P&R with stat? Nah, he's just gona jack up a shot instead of Melo who has a far superior offensive arsenal. Passes to JR? Takes a 3 with two defenders on him. Passes to STAT? He forces up the ugliest shot of all time and bricks it because he keeps trying to force himself into the flow of the game and fails every time. The whole team in trash basically and Melo is always the best option on offense with the way this team is constructed

[Teanett]

You make it sound like Melo is a Rudy Gay or Derozan level chucker.

he's not far off

[ZenMaster]

Still, Amare isn't gonna help
And if the Knicks resign Bargs he'll just be the new Amare in 3 years. A one-dimensional guy who needs the ball constantly to be effective. Melo wasn't signed to be a defender, he's a perimeter scorer and he's done an amazing job at that. The problem with Amare is that he is a big man who brings nothing to the table in terms of rebounding and defense, two of the Knicks biggest weaknesses. And despite knowing that is exactly what the team needs, when he gets on the court he just wants to score. Selfish and useless, a bad combination. We could win with Melo defending poorly if we had Tyson and another good rebounder/defender, but we don't. Who do we have instead? Two big men being paid huge amounts who are literally so bad at defense and rebounding that it has become a huge joke to all NBA fans. That's why I hate Amare. Bargs is fine for now but watch 3 years down the line if he's still with the Knicks he'll be on Amare level scrub status

You're just making stuff fit as you need..

Melo was signed to be a wing scorer? Well Amare was signed to score points inside, then he got injured and all of the sudden you expect him to be a defensive player?

Your statement of: "The problem with Amare is that he is a big man who brings nothing to the table in terms of rebounding and defense, two of the Knicks biggest weaknesses" fits just as well if you put melo's name in there instead of Amare.

Melo is just not a smart man, he's aligned himself with Kenyon Martin and JR Smith throughout his career. When your two main scorers are stupid you need some of the absolute smartest players to help them succeed, like Jason Kidd last year.

[MetsPackers]

You're just making stuff fit as you need..

Melo was signed to be a wing scorer? Well Amare was signed to score points inside, then he got injured and all of the sudden you expect him to be a defensive player?

Your statement of: "The problem with Amare is that he is a big man who brings nothing to the table in terms of rebounding and defense, two of the Knicks biggest weaknesses" fits just as well if you put melo's name in there instead of Amare.

Melo is just not a smart man, he's aligned himself with Kenyon Martin and JR Smith throughout his career. When your two main scorers are stupid you need some of the absolute smartest players to help them succeed, like Jason Kidd last year.


Amare is veteran big man and believes he is still a star player and one of the leaders of the team. Melo is a wing player, it's not his job to get offensive rebounds or contested defensive boards. Different positions, point is irrelevant

Nobody's asking him to replace Tyson, but atleast look like you give 1 shred of a fvck out there about anything other than padding your scoring numbers with easy buckets

[Teanett]

Amare is veteran big man and believes he is still a star player and one of the leaders of the team. Melo is a wing player, it's not his job to get offensive rebounds or contested defensive boards. Different positions, point is irrelevant

Nobody's asking him to replace Tyson, but atleast look like you give 1 shred of a fvck out there about anything other than padding your scoring numbers with easy buckets

well, at least amar'e tries to adjust his game and become more of a low-post scorer, which he never was. he was the roll man in phoenix but now he lets tyson have that role.
what has melo done to adjust to his teammates?
he got jr smith and his brother a deal.

[ZenMaster]

You make it sound like Melo is a Rudy Gay or Derozan level chucker. I personally don't care who gets an uncontested rebound and if the other guys on the team are mad that Melo gets them than they don't have the right mentality anyway. Its the contested rebounds in traffic that these soft big for nothing f@ggots like Amare and Bargs need to be looking for. JR is definitely a cancer no doubt. Only guys on this team that should be there are Melo, Shump, and Tyson. Everyone else can easily be upgraded. Guys like Melo don't grow on trees. If we had a good playmaking/distributing PG then Melo wouldn't have to bring the ball up and create so much. Melo can create for himself, same as Felton. We need a PG who can create for others. There's a reason Melo isn't getting heat for the Knicks poor record; he's doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing. It's everyone else who's been fvcking up. The team is just poorly constructed and should be blown up but management is so inept that it won't happen

In your ideal scenario what happens on the offense? You act like we got the Spurs out there and Melo is just fvcking it up. Say Felton brings the ball up, doesn't pass to Melo. Instead, passes to Bargs. You think Bargs is about to run a P&R with stat? Nah, he's just gona jack up a shot instead of Melo who has a far superior offensive arsenal. Passes to JR? Takes a 3 with two defenders on him. Passes to STAT? He forces up the ugliest shot of all time and bricks it because he keeps trying to force himself into the flow of the game and fails every time. The whole team in trash basically and Melo is always the best option on offense with the way this team is constructed

I see you are confusing Knicks offense with real basketball offense, taking turns shooting from 1on1 is not a system or a real offense.

Yes Melo will be the best option when everybody just plays 1on1, it's how he wants it. He can't be a point forward because he's not good enough to play pickn'roll as a ball handler consistently, he also doesn't want to be a wing player in a system where he doesn't get the ball in controlled mid-range spots with his back to the basket and is expected to make fast decisions of pass, drive or shot.

For being the most versatile scorer in the game he's actually very hard to fit a team around and it's because all of his versatility is within his 1on1 mid-range game.

He also doesn't set the attitude for his team with defense like other SUCCESFULL guys who also get max contracts.

[Fresh Kid]

he's not far off
melo cud easily be tha best player in tha league if he put his mind to it and try harder in different areas in his game as well.

[ZenMaster]

melo cud easily be tha best player in tha league if he put his mind to it and try harder in different areas in his game as well.

So what you're saying is he's weak minded or stupid? He's been playing the same way throughout his career...

[Fresh Kid]

So what you're saying is he's weak minded or stupid? He's been playing the same way throughout his career...
hes not stupid, he just have to be more mature in certain areas in his game, become a more polished player.