Knicks fans: Are you ashamed at the way your team abandoned Linsanity?

[Nick Young]

Knicks fans, are you sad and upset that your management abandoned Linsanity after all he did for your team? It seems like a young athletic guard who can get to the rim is exactly what the team is missing now. He really knew how to get the ball to Novak and Chandler at the perfect times. Alas, what might have been this season eh?

[hawkfan]

The Lakers should have signed Jeremy Lin instead of Steve Nash.
That was a big, big mistake.

[kNicKz]

no

[Nick Young]

no
Her carried your team on his back and in return you flushed him down the toilet to loser Houston.

[coin24]

The Lakers should have signed Jeremy Lin instead of Steve Nash.
That was a big, big mistake.

+1:(

[OldSkoolball#52]

As I recall, Knick stans never seemed to authentically embrace Linsanity, because they didn't want it to be used to detract from Melo.

Typically, everything with the Knick losers on this board is about protecting Melo and his reputation.

So honestly, I think most of them were happy to see him go, or at least proclaimed so publicly. Even though it wasn't the best thing for the team.


Kind of like the Kobe/Dwight thing.

[Nick Young]

As I recall, Knick stans never seemed to authentically embrace Linsanity, because they didn't want it to be used to detract from Melo.

Typically, everything with the Knick losers on this board is about protecting Melo and his reputation.

So honestly, I think most of them were happy to see him go, or at least proclaimed so publicly. Even though it wasn't the best thing for the team.


Kind of like the Kobe/Dwight thing.
Dwight was horrible on the Lakers. He was bad for the team. It was good when he left. Did you not watch the playoffs when he's sitting on the bench laughing while getting blown out? No team with title ambitions would ever want a guy with a natural born loser attitude like that getting paid max/near max money.

[imdaman99]

The Lakers should have signed Jeremy Lin instead of Steve Nash.
That was a big, big mistake.
He didn't mesh well with Melo. Kobe is similar on offense, but better. I don't know if it works.

I was a little surprised they didn't bring him back. But 2 years past, and I couldn't care less. Even though they have shitty PGs now. Their best PG doesn't even start and is 36 years old. I don't lose any sleep over it.

[Pointguard]

Knicks fans, are you sad and upset that your management abandoned Linsanity after all he did for your team? It seems like a young athletic guard who can get to the rim is exactly what the team is missing now. He really knew how to get the ball to Novak and Chandler at the perfect times. Alas, what might have been this season eh?
Lin made it impossible for us to retain him. He was never abandoned. It was his choice, it came off as sneaky and underhanded, and he wasn't going to help this bunch now in any way. He's never going to sustain the great two weeks we got out of him here. At first I was mad but it was his choice and he would have gotten a ton of pressure here. Once he was scouted he was a different player and once Harden or DH sit I suspect he will be more like a bench player.

True we don't have a penetrating guard but when teams focused on Lin he could only penetrate here and there. To his credit, Lin is also one of the stronger guards in the league. And when he feels a flow he can hang with the best point guards. Howard was better last year with half-a-Nash and Houston is underachieving. Harden is a bad match for any point guard, thoI think in the right situation he can excel but I don't know if he can be top 10 or a guy that can turn a franchise around like you are suggesting.

I wish him well and will never forget how he turned the Garden into a madhouse. I was lucky to have seen the first breakout game and one since then live.

[hawkfan]

He didn't mesh well with Melo. Kobe is similar on offense, but better. I don't know if it works.

I was a little surprised they didn't bring him back. But 2 years past, and I couldn't care less. Even though they have shitty PGs now. Their best PG doesn't even start and is 36 years old. I don't lose any sleep over it.

That would have worked well.

Lin is a high IQ player, and so are Kobe and Pau.
Lin is a good passer, which would fit in Kobe and Pau.
Lin can get to the rim to space the floor.
Lin could get the Lakers a fast break game, which they don't have.

Kobe would have helped him with cutting down on turnovers and on improving his defense. Also having Kobe and Pau there would give Lin more wide open shots.

Lin would have been the perfect third option for Kobe and Pau.

And Kobe and Pau could handle the Linsanity part of it - Melo couldn't.

[hawkfan]

Lin made it impossible for us to retain him. He was never abandoned. It was his choice, it came off as sneaky and underhanded, and he wasn't going to help this bunch now in any way. He's never going to sustain the great two weeks we got out of him here. At first I was mad but it was his choice and he would have gotten a ton of pressure here. Once he was scouted he was a different player and once Harden or DH sit I suspect he will be more like a bench player.

True we don't have a penetrating guard but when teams focused on Lin he could only penetrate here and there. To his credit, Lin is also one of the stronger guards in the league. And when he feels a flow he can hang with the best point guards. Howard was better last year with half-a-Nash and Houston is underachieving. Harden is a bad match for any point guard, thoI think in the right situation he can excel but I don't know if he can be top 10 or a guy that can turn a franchise around like you are suggesting.

I wish him well and will never forget how he turned the Garden into a madhouse. I was lucky to have seen the first breakout game and one since then live.

The problems with the Rockets' offense is that Howard is a terrible offensive player - he has no moves and he doesn't pass well.

The Magic got to the Finals in large measure due to Woodson's bad coaching with the Hawks that year - double teaming Howard and leaving open Turkoglu, Redick, Nelson and Lewis.

[Nick Young]

Lin made it impossible for us to retain him. He was never abandoned. It was his choice, it came off as sneaky and underhanded, and he wasn't going to help this bunch now in any way. He's never going to sustain the great two weeks we got out of him here. At first I was mad but it was his choice and he would have gotten a ton of pressure here. Once he was scouted he was a different player and once Harden or DH sit I suspect he will be more like a bench player.

True we don't have a penetrating guard but when teams focused on Lin he could only penetrate here and there. To his credit, Lin is also one of the stronger guards in the league. And when he feels a flow he can hang with the best point guards. Howard was better last year with half-a-Nash and Houston is underachieving. Harden is a bad match for any point guard, thoI think in the right situation he can excel but I don't know if he can be top 10 or a guy that can turn a franchise around like you are suggesting.

I wish him well and will never forget how he turned the Garden into a madhouse. I was lucky to have seen the first breakout game and one since then live.
With Melo out there next to him, teams would have been stupid to focus on shutting down Lin. It would result in lots of easy looks for melo

[Teanett]

ashamed is the wrong word.
perplexed.
he made sense from a basketball standpoint as well as financially.
but melo couldnt cope with lin being the bigger star, the rest is history.

[Pointguard]

Houston gave Lin and Asik crazy balloon payments in their contracts which made it impossible for their former teams to match. 15 million in the third year which most teams will not take in a trade because that aren't expiring the year after. Asik gets his 16mil next year. Most teams don't want to pay a luxury tax based on guys you aren't too sure will start. This year almost looks lost, but you have to believe that Howard can play much better??? I don't know but Houston can't maneuver much. The CBA hit Houston hard.

[2LeTTeRS]

Houston gave Lin and Asik crazy balloon payments in their contracts which made it impossible for their former teams to match. 15 million in the third year which most teams will not take in a trade because that aren't expiring the year after. Asik gets his 16mil next year.

This simply isn't true. While the out of pocket money in the 3rd year is about $15 mil or so; the cap hit for Asik's and Lin's contracts are a flat $8.3 mil for their entire contracts. Had the original teams re-signed them the amount of money that would have been charged toward the cap and luxury tax are nowhere near as large as originally reported.


Most teams don't want to pay a luxury tax based on guys you aren't too sure will start. This year almost looks lost, but you have to believe that Howard can play much better??? I don't know but Houston can't maneuver much. The CBA hit Houston hard.

Several teams have showed interest in trading for Asik this year, and I can guarantee you with how Lin is playing now if the Rockets tried to deal him they could get a pretty sweet deal.

PS - The season is 15 games old -- saying that the year "looks lost" is stupid seeing that the season their record is much improved and the chemistry isn't all there yet. Its as if people forget last year they had only 45 wins (.549 winning percentage); compared to a 10-5 record (on pace for 55 wins; .667 winning percentage) this year.

[Pointguard]

With Melo out there next to him, teams would have been stupid to focus on shutting down Lin. It would result in lots of easy looks for melo
I hear what you are saying - But the scouting report on Lin is get low, make him go left. Its not double him. When Felton is feeling himself he does what you are saying and the Knicks win a bit more but I wouldn't bet on them for consistency or changing fortunes.

[chocolatethunder]

That would have worked well.

Lin is a high IQ player, and so are Kobe and Pau.
Lin is a good passer, which would fit in Kobe and Pau.
Lin can get to the rim to space the floor.
Lin could get the Lakers a fast break game, which they don't have.

Kobe would have helped him with cutting down on turnovers and on improving his defense. Also having Kobe and Pau there would give Lin more wide open shots.

Lin would have been the perfect third option for Kobe and Pau.

And Kobe and Pau could handle the Linsanity part of it - Melo couldn't.
Lin is not a high IQ player at all. If here were, he would be effective without the ball in his hands but alas, this dude needs to have the ball to make even a marginal impact.

He is not a good passer. He is an average passer at best. He is averaging 4.7 assists this year to 3.1 turnovers.

The only thing that he's good at is scoring in bunches when he's hot. If he's not hot and doesn't have the ball, he's useless.

In addition, in the playoffs last year he was almost non existent and was getting burnt on defense non stop. Shooting a red hot 25% averaging 4 pts 2 assists and 2 turnovers a game.

I hate the Knicks but there was no reason to keep him at the numbers Houston was giving him. He actually turned his back on the Knicks when they were trying to keep him. Houston is regretting that contract for sure. Kobe wouldn't have helped him cut down on his turnovers or any other part of his game. Kobe would have expected Lin to be worthy of his contract, which he is not. Kobe would have eaten this dude alive and made him his new Smush Parker. I'm no Laker fan either.

[Nick Young]

I hear what you are saying - But the scouting report on Lin is get low, make him go left. Its not double him. When Felton is feeling himself he does what you are saying and the Knicks win a bit more but I wouldn't bet on them for consistency or changing fortunes.
Lin can go left now.

[STATUTORY]

I hear what you are saying - But the scouting report on Lin is get low, make him go left. Its not double him. When Felton is feeling himself he does what you are saying and the Knicks win a bit more but I wouldn't bet on them for consistency or changing fortunes.
:facepalm when Felton is feeling himself?

Are we talking some parallel universe where he's not chucking 30%, can't drive and dish, no playmaking ability and no defensive presence at all?

Knicks fans are dumbest fan base in the league, loves retard low iq players like jr, melo and Felton. So does Woodson, I guess that's why he's the perfect coach for this team

[Teanett]

Lin can go left now.

and shoot threes

[Pointguard]

This simply isn't true. While the out of pocket money in the 3rd year is about $15 mil or so; the cap hit for Asik's and Lin's contracts are a flat $8.3 mil for their entire contracts. Had the original teams re-signed them the amount of money that would have been charged toward the cap and luxury tax are nowhere near as large as originally reported. Dolan told Lin he would match whatever he would come up with. Lin went back and came back with straight up poison. Dolan flipped.

Under the new CBA the luxury tax is compounded each year you are over it. The more over it the more you pay in successive years.

http://deadspin.com/5926337/jeremy-lins-contract-could-cost-the-knicks-58-43-million-in-year-three-%5Bupdate%5D

Here's how $14.8 million in Lin's pocket skyrockets to $58.3 million in James Dolan's checkbook. It starts with a loophole in the Gilbert Arenas provision, which penalizes a team looking to match an offer sheet. In this case, the Rockets can average Lin's salary against their own cap—roughly $8.4 million a year. But the Knicks, if they were to match, would take a hit on each year's actual salary. So in 2014-2015, they'd be on the hook for all 15 million.



Several teams have showed interest in trading for Asik this year, and I can guarantee you with how Lin is playing now if the Rockets tried to deal him they could get a pretty sweet deal.

Plus saying this year "looks lost" is stupid seeing that the season is less than 15 games old, and the Rockets are markedly improved compared to last year.
The quote was, "almost looks lost, but you have to believe that Howard can play much better???" is very different than what you are responding to now doesn't it. Learn to read before you start throwing around words like stupid.

Confusion is a state. The leadership isn't clear, so the direction is a bit muddled at the moment. You got a max player, who was a top three player three years before his prime, and is now in his prime and you are saying they are "markedly improved compared to last year." What are you suggesting? They weren't suppose to be? They are a young team even without Howard so they were going to improve, duh.

Right now I just don't see them hanging with experienced teams, which is natural for a young team to go through. I didn't blast their future. They could have the best shooting guard and center in the game... next year. But the surrounding pieces will be key. Is Lin better on Houston than a shooting PG knowing how Harden is? Is Asik's strengths in a place where it is maximized?

[Fresh Kid]

we do need lin, but his problem iz that hes scared of Chalmers and n.Cole and we don't need that shit right now:no:

[tontoz]

He didn't mesh well with Melo.


Who does mesh with Melo?

[Fresh Kid]

Who does mesh with Melo?
09 nuggets.

[Teanett]

we do need lin, but his problem iz that hes scared of Chalmers and n.Cole and we don't need that shit right now:no:

felton is scared of kemba walker.
:rolleyes:

[Pointguard]

:facepalm when Felton is feeling himself?

Are we talking some parallel universe where he's not chucking 30%, can't drive and dish, no playmaking ability and no defensive presence at all?

Knicks fans are dumbest fan base in the league, loves retard low iq players like jr, melo and Felton. So does Woodson, I guess that's why he's the perfect coach for this team
Wow, and no shame in exposing yourself either.

You are a complete idiot, you don't watch games or know how to keep up on a message board. Why are you here? When Felton was on last year the Knicks were thriving. He was driving and dishing and Tyson Chandler was shooting 700% while the Knicks were the best shooting team in the league. But he lost his confidence in there and the tides changed. Ask any of the Knick fans. If you don't know, just don't join the conversation.

[Teanett]

Wow, and no shame in exposing yourself either.

You are a complete idiot, you don't watch games or know how to keep up on a message board. Why are you here? When Felton was on last year the Knicks were thriving. He was driving and dishing and Tyson Chandler was shooting 700% while the Knicks were the best shooting team in the league. But he lost his confidence in there and the tides changed. Ask any of the Knick fans. If you don't know, just don't join the conversation.

so? who's talking about last year or 2011?
felton is shit now, just like amar'e is hurt.
even last year he would get lit up by kemba walker.
lin had far more potential and everybody with half a brain knew it.

[Fresh Kid]

felton is scared of kemba walker.
:rolleyes:
kemba walker is better than Chalmers and n.cole by tha way, plus Felton is not himself this season. I know Felton would do better against tha cheat than overrated lin, that's tha main team that we must defeat and lin would not show up.

[tontoz]

09 nuggets.


That team had a winning record in the 16 games he didn't play. They kept on winning after he left too.

And you didn't answer my question.

[2LeTTeRS]

Dolan told Lin he would match whatever he would come up with. Lin went back and came back with straight up poison. Dolan flipped.

Under the new CBA the luxury tax is compounded each year you are over it. The more over it the more you pay in successive years.


http://deadspin.com/5926337/jeremy-lins-contract-could-cost-the-knicks-58-43-million-in-year-three-%5Bupdate%5D

Here's how $14.8 million in Lin's pocket skyrockets to $58.3 million in James Dolan's checkbook. It starts with a loophole in the Gilbert Arenas provision, which penalizes a team looking to match an offer sheet. In this case, the Rockets can average Lin's salary against their own cap—roughly $8.4 million a year. But the Knicks, if they were to match, would take a hit on each year's actual salary. So in 2014-2015, they'd be on the hook for all 15 million.

Check the bottom of the article you quoted; It says the following ---

Update, 5:20 p.m. EDT: We got the luxury tax rate wrong, as the Knicks were over the salary cap this past season, but not over the luxury tax threshold. So the "repeat offender" hike would kick in in 2015-2016. ESPN, after consultation from Larry Coon, downgraded the maximum Lin would cost the Knicks to $43 million.



The quote was, "almost looks lost, but you have to believe that Howard can play much better???" is very different than what you are responding to now doesn't it. Learn to read before you start throwing around words like stupid.

Confusion is a state. The leadership isn't clear, so the direction is a bit muddled at the moment. You got a max player, who was a top three player three years before his prime, and is now in his prime and you are saying they are "markedly improved compared to last year." What are you suggesting? They weren't suppose to be? They are a young team even without Howard so they were going to improve, duh.

Right now I just don't see them hanging with experienced teams, which is natural for a young team to go through. I didn't blast their future. They could have the best shooting guard and center in the game... next year. But the surrounding pieces will be key. Is Lin better on Houston than a shooting PG knowing how Harden is? Is Asik's strengths in a place where it is maximized?

My apologies; :cheers:

[hawkfan]

The Knicks thought adding Jason Kidd and Raymond Felton would be better and cheaper than keeping Lin.

Now Kidd is retired and Felton is in decline, while Lin has improved.

Also they didn't want to pay the luxury tax because of players like Chandler adn Stoudemire. Chandler is hurt, while Stoudemire's best days are past him.

The luxury tax argument isn't really a good one, since the Knicks could have kept Lin and then waived Stoudemire via the stretch provision to reduce the tax hit.

The Knicks made a decision, and it simply didn't work out. Sometimes these things happen.

[2LeTTeRS]

The Knicks thought adding Jason Kidd and Raymond Felton would be better and cheaper than keeping Lin.

Now Kidd is retired and Felton is in decline, while Lin has improved.

Also they didn't want to pay the luxury tax because of players like Chandler adn Stoudemire. Chandler is hurt, while Stoudemire's best days are past him.

The luxury tax argument isn't really a good one, since the Knicks could have kept Lin and then waived Stoudemire via the stretch provision to reduce the tax hit.

The Knicks made a decision, and it simply didn't work out. Sometimes these things happen.

Are we sure it didn't work out? Lin seems to be the most inconsistent player in the league. Last year he played like shit and it is inarguable that Felton and Kidd were better. This year? He looks better now that his role is reduced; but the fact remains that he doesn't play that well with Harden (or Melo for that matter) .

[hawkfan]

Are we sure it didn't work out? Lin seems to be the most inconsistent player in the league. Last year he played like shit and it is inarguable that Felton and Kidd were better. This year? He looks better now that his role is reduced; but the fact remains that he doesn't play that well with Harden (or Melo for that matter) .

What do Harden and Howard do to make Lin better? Or for that matter, make any of their teammates better?

Lin's coming off the bench, but he is still playing starter's minutes.

He's a work in progress - a lot of point guards take time to develop. He's no different.

[Fresh Kid]

That team had a winning record in the 16 games he didn't play. They kept on winning after he left too.

And you didn't answer my question.
they did worst than tha knicks in tha playoffs:rolleyes: and stop lying, without melo tha nuggets would never went to tha west finals dat year:no:

[Micku]

Lin is not a high IQ player at all. If here were, he would be effective without the ball in his hands but alas, this dude needs to have the ball to make even a marginal impact.

He is not a good passer. He is an average passer at best. He is averaging 4.7 assists this year to 3.1 turnovers.

The only thing that he's good at is scoring in bunches when he's hot. If he's not hot and doesn't have the ball, he's useless.

In addition, in the playoffs last year he was almost non existent and was getting burnt on defense non stop. Shooting a red hot 25% averaging 4 pts 2 assists and 2 turnovers a game.

I hate the Knicks but there was no reason to keep him at the numbers Houston was giving him. He actually turned his back on the Knicks when they were trying to keep him. Houston is regretting that contract for sure. Kobe wouldn't have helped him cut down on his turnovers or any other part of his game. Kobe would have expected Lin to be worthy of his contract, which he is not. Kobe would have eaten this dude alive and made him his new Smush Parker. I'm no Laker fan either.

What? Like Steve Nash and other good PGs that need the ball in their hands to be effective?

Anyway, he is a above average passer and a very good playmaker. The fact that he can drive and shoot, creates more options with his teammates and creates better spacing. His ball security isn't that good and he is clumsy with it. He'll drive, and don't pick up his dribble, and look for teammate which would result in turnovers sometimes.

And in the playoffs he was injured, wasn't he? Couldn't even play in some games?

Regardless, Lin was very inconsistent last year. The way he is playing right now tho is what the Knicks would want. I don't know if their situation would change that much, but he would be better than having Felton. And the Lakers would like a guy like Lin too. Especially with Mike D'Antoni there.

[niko]

No, it was a ridiculous amount of money, and it's not the missing piece we need. If he was 6'10'' and played defense, then i'd be upset.

Why ashamed? None of us work for the Knicks, and this is sports. If anything makes you ashamed then you need to re-examine your life and your priorities.

[STATUTORY]

Wow, and no shame in exposing yourself either.

You are a complete idiot, you don't watch games or know how to keep up on a message board. Why are you here? When Felton was on last year the Knicks were thriving. He was driving and dishing and Tyson Chandler was shooting 700% while the Knicks were the best shooting team in the league. But he lost his confidence in there and the tides changed. Ask any of the Knick fans. If you don't know, just don't join the conversation.

:facepalm we talking about this season, lost his confidence? More like gained a gut

[Pointguard]

so? who's talking about last year or 2011?
felton is shit now, just like amar'e is hurt.
even last year he would get lit up by kemba walker.
lin had far more potential and everybody with half a brain knew it.
The conversation was about when Felton was on not the year. He's not much help now.

[Teanett]

The conversation was about when Felton was on not the year. He's not much help now.

when felton was on? on what? a big mac diet?

[Pointguard]

Check the bottom of the article you quoted; It says the following ---

Update, 5:20 p.m. EDT: We got the luxury tax rate wrong, as the Knicks were over the salary cap this past season, but not over the luxury tax threshold. So the "repeat offender" hike would kick in in 2015-2016. ESPN, after consultation from Larry Coon, downgraded the maximum Lin would cost the Knicks to $43 million.

My apologies; :cheers:
:cheers:
Yall will be fine. I had Houston as a top three team in wins in the Western conference and its still possible. Injuries, thank goodness minor, have got in the way and some meshing problems, which is fine as even Miami had them. Its really hard for young teams to figure out how to handle pressure as a group and its easier when players really know other players tendency.

Thanks for pointing out the salary cap thing. I wonder if Dolan misunderstood it but he definitely sold it to the media that it was practically undoable.

[iDunk]

Not really. Linsanity was a month thing.

If he was on our team right now he'd be putting up 16/3/6 type numbers, nothing special. We wouldn't even be that much better with him honestly.