1990-1992 Michael Jordan Shot Chart

[PHILA]

http://i.imgur.com/ricSzdw.jpg


126 Games Total

http://i.imgur.com/g3XPS5u.png

1989-90: 35 games
1990-91: 44 games
1991-92: 47 games






Shot Chart


At Rim: 629/847 FG (74.3%)
In Paint (Overall): 786/1333 FG (59.0%)
Midrange: 793/1552 FG (51.1%)
3 Point: 93/243 FG (38.3%)



http://i.imgur.com/t8069zI.png
http://i.imgur.com/Fljv0qX.png







Synergy Offense


PPP stands for Points Per Play. I did not record the number of possessions, but rather the number of offensive plays that Jordan was involved in, meaning he either attempted a FG and/or FT, or turned the ball over (on drives to the hoop). I did not record any FTA he had as a result of intentional fouls or penalty fouls where he was not aggressively attacking or attempting to make an offensive play. No technical FT's are on the chart either. Every play category aside from Transition is in a half court set, and transition also includes jump shots, though this was very rare. The Other category primarily consists of desperate attempts to beat the clock, including the full court buzzer beaters.

There are several sub-categories out of Isolation. Jordan tended to be quick and decisive, very seldom holding onto the ball longer than 3-4 seconds like the wing players do in this era. Another category is Drive To Basket, which measures his effectiveness driving to the hoop strictly in the half court. Every other category is basically a jumper, though if there is a pick in the two man game that enables him to get an advantage over the defense, then it is recorded as under the P&R Ball Handler category. This includes jump shots as well as drives to the hoop.



Shot Attempts Blocked (Offense): 67

*This means 2.1% of his shots (3128 FGA) were blocked in this footage



Overall Chart

http://i.imgur.com/sSe2aEV.png


Isolation Plays Only

http://i.imgur.com/evc8F8z.png







Team Performance


http://i.imgur.com/XRKv9aA.png



Plus/Minus

Plus/Minus Total: +1767

Plus/Minus Per 100: +18.3



On/Off

On Court ORtg: 123.9

Off Court ORtg: 88.3

Net ORtg: +35.6



On Court DRtg: 105.5

Off Court DRtg: 114.8

Net DRtg: -9.3



On/Off Net Rating: 44.9






Clutch Play

59 Total Games

http://i.imgur.com/NdBpttO.png



4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points


http://i.imgur.com/kLjx6ve.png



Plus/Minus Total: +246

Plus/Minus Per 48: +48.8

Win Percentage: 74.6 %



1 on 1 Defense

15/55 FG (27.3%)




Total Statistics

http://i.imgur.com/hb9ClXj.png



Per 48 Statistics

http://i.imgur.com/OSP3vZM.png




Sports Illustrated - May 21, 1990

It wasn't so much that Hawkins scored only two points in the final 12 minutes, it was more that Jordan wouldn't even let him touch the ball. The least recognized part of Jordan's game is his ability to slip picks and suddenly pop up in the passing lane, like a kid who finds a shortcut to the candy store. "Nobody has ever been better at the end of a game than Michael," said Bulls coach Phil Jackson afterward. " Oscar Robertson was great, but this guy is a closer at both ends."



Sports Illustrated - June 28, 1993

There would seem to be four players with whom realistically to compare Jordan: Magic and Bird, both of whom were three-time regular-season MVPs; Bill Russell, the ultimate winner, who led the Celtics to 11 championships in 13 seasons; and Oscar Robertson, whose versatility, leadership and coldhearted competitiveness during 13 seasons make him closest to Jordan in playing style.

"Oscar was great defensively when he wanted to be," says 68-year-old Bull assistant Johnny Bach. "But Michael is the Tasmanian devil."




"No matter what the game is or who you're playing against, you have to want the ball."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIAow8OKOeM

[fiddy]

**** them corner threes. :oldlol: Nice job OP.

[Le Shaqtus]

Dat midrange

[PHILA]

One last thing I forgot to add in the OP, Jordan's driving tendencies in isolation.




*Jordan's shooting tendencies & effectiveness when making a move off the dribble either to the left or right. Also recorded turnovers in each of these instances, including stolen pass outs, offensive fouls, getting stripped by the defense, or being forced into a jump ball (and possession lost).



Drive Right

Pull-Up Jumper/Runner/Leaner - 292 Plays, 35 Fouls, 146/249 FG (58.6%), 14 TOV, 358 Points, 1.23 PPP

Attack Basket - 225 Plays, 85 Fouls, 107/161 FG (66.5%), 1 TOV, 353 Points, 1.57 PPP

Overall - 517 Plays, 120 Fouls, 253/410 FG (61.7%), 15 TOV, 711 Points, 1.38 PPP



Drive Left

Pull-Up Jumper/Runner/Leaner - 212 Plays, 28 Fouls, 104/189 FG (55.0%), 2 TOV, 250 Points, 1.18 PPP

Attack Basket - 345 Plays, 109 Fouls, 154/232 FG (66.4%), 34 TOV, 479 Points, 1.39 PPP

Overall - 557 Plays, 137 Fouls, 258/421 FG (61.3%), 36 TOV, 729 Points, 1.31 PPP

[fpliii]

:applause:

I have no words, absolutely incredible. Thanks for your hard work, it'll take me some time to digest.

[ProfessorMurder]

Cool. I love the measly 1/1 as the roll man on PnR :oldlol:

Dude always ran the show.

[PHILA]

**** them corner threes. :oldlol: Nice job OP.

Yes he was not a player who relied much on his 3 point shooting. He was particularly excellent at quickly flashing to the post and playing out of the pivot. If the defense denied him the ball, they would swing it around and he would pop out off a screen and get the ball at the top of the key often attacking the vulnerable defense at this point, not allowing his man to catch up. No doubt he ranks up with Russell as the best of all time in the NBA.



In this example below, Miami fails to keep the ball out of his hands in the post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuVO-yxZNqg&t=3m46s



Another quick flash into the post against New York, but this ends up with Jordan coming off the screen and into a quick isolation at the top.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDqJZ96hOBU&t=2m7s






The Jordan Rules: The Inside Story of Michael Jordan and the Chicago Bulls - Sam Smith

http://i.imgur.com/zKZqZbM.png

[andgar923]

GOAT gonna GOAT

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Jesus that's a lot of info. Good shit. Will look through this later.

I don't even know if this is common knowledge because it seems like something that would be. But since I never heard of it... Is there a correlation between higher percentage for right handed shooters on the left corner and vice versa?

Because personally when I ball, I never noticed a difference. Then again, I have never had my shots charted either.

[andgar923]

Jesus that's a lot of info. Good shit. Will look through this later.

I don't even know if this is common knowledge because it seems like something that would be. But since I never heard of it... Is there a correlation between higher percentage for right handed shooters on the left corner and vice versa?

Because personally when I ball, I never noticed a difference. Then again, I have never had my shots charted either.

Like Wade, Im a right handed player that tends to naturally go the left. It must be due to mechanics and balance.

[andgar923]

That shot selection, and field goal efficiency is like the greatest combination of prime Kobe, and current prime LeBron's games / mentality.

Well, not much else to say that I didn't already know. Thanks for putting the work. GOAT gonna GOAT, I guess.

Basically what some of us have been saying for eons.

if you combined the best of Kobe at his best
The best of Bron at his best
And the best of Wade at his best

You get MJ

[SamuraiSWISH]

That shot selection, and field goal efficiency is like the greatest combination of prime Kobe, and current prime LeBron's games, mentality and skills.

The dominance off the dribble, and finishing around the basket with above 50% efficiency like LeBron. The insane mid range shooting ability, and the good 3 point shooting to stretch the defense? Basically being a smarter, but equally skilled Kobe?

Well, not much else to say that I didn't already know. Just look at this data folks. All you Kobe stans, LeBron stans, hell Wade stans. MJ in his prime was all three of those guys combined in terms of game. But with superior mental, and will power. Thanks for putting the work. GOAT gonna GOAT, I guess.

andgar923, thoughts?

[tpols]

Hmm.. seems like Jordan's only real weakness is creation through PnR and long range baseline shots.


Phila is there any reason why there's only 126 games from the total sample of 300 from 90-92?

[andgar923]

That shot selection, and field goal efficiency is like the greatest combination of prime Kobe, and current prime LeBron's games, mentality and skills.

The dominance off the dribble, and finishing around the basket with above 50% efficiency like LeBron. The insane mid range shooting ability, and the good 3 point shooting to stretch the defense? Basically being a smarter, but equally skilled Kobe?

Well, not much else to say that I didn't already know. Just look at this data folks. All you Kobe stans, LeBron stans, hell Wade stans. MJ in his prime was all three of those guys combined in terms of game. But with superior mental, and will power. Thanks for putting the work. GOAT gonna GOAT, I guess.

andgar923, thoughts?

Read above

And yeah, what you said, what some of us have been saying for years, and why the majority consider him GOAT.

There's no type of defense that would stop him.

Zone? he'd laugh at it and spit on it. It actually plays to his strengths, creating tons of mismatch opportunities because he was skilled AND smart enough to dissect it with precision.

EVERY type of defense was played on him, there isn't any kind of rule bending, and ploys used against him. He was simply to athletic, too smart, too skilled.

GOAT gonna GOAT

[ProfessorMurder]

Is there a correlation between higher percentage for right handed shooters on the left corner and vice versa?

Because personally when I ball, I never noticed a difference. Then again, I have never had my shots charted either.

There is usually a correlation.

With baseline jumpers:

- Left handers are better on the right side.
- Right handers are better on the left side.

It has to do with the position of the backboard. If you're on the baseline on the left side, and you're left handed, the backboard obstructing the shot more than if you're right handed.

On the rest of the floor left handers are generally better on the right side, and vice versa.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Zone? he'd laugh at it and spit on it. It actually plays to his strengths, creating tons of mismatch opportunities because he was skilled AND smart enough to dissect it with precision.
He torched zones in the Olympics before he was even a pro. One of the most slept on aspects of MJ's game is his ability to pass, and read defenses. If he got doubled, or tripled, he'd quickly pass then cut to negate the double team. I never see: Kobe, LeBron, Wade, or Durant do that.

He didn't need to do everything ball in hand like a lot of today's stars. Which makes his numbers all the more impressive. He could catch and shoot while moving with great proficiency. He set better picks than these guys too. No defense as you said could stop him. To take it even further he's like this:

LeBron's efficiency, finishing ability
Wade's off the dribble quickness, help side defense
Kobe's offensive skill set, jumper, man defense
Durant's catch and shoot ability

An absolute headache for any defensive scheme.

[bdreason]

51% from midrange. :bowdown:

[andgar923]

51% from midrange. :bowdown:

What makes that stat meaningful to me is the type of defense he did it against.

Remember centers and big men were able to camp in the paint, there was more 'enforcers' back then, the league as a whole was more physical. But more importantly, he didn't have a big that could draw attention. There was NO offensive threat in the post or basically anywhere outside a wide open BJ or Pax. Teams didn't cover Pip, they usually sagged off him. So the defensive attention that he drew was more than every player he's been compared to (or player that's been compared to him).

MJ is arguably the most double/triple teamed player of all time.

He just wasn't dumb enough to allow himself to get trapped. As the chart point out, he was quick at making decisions and executing which made it difficult for teams to trap him effectively.

So whatever numbers are being shown, one must take that into consideration.

[PHILA]

Hmm.. seems like Jordan's only real weakness is creation through PnR and long range baseline shots.

It is almost the opposite in 1997-98

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=893&Season=1997-98



Phila is there any reason why there's only 126 games from the total sample of 300 from 90-92?
Those are just the games I could find on the internet.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Surprised (but not really given the Lebron slurping over there) that there is so little discussion of this in the topic you created at that other forum.

His 74.3% at-rim FG% is ABSURD, and is higher than all but one of Lebron ("the best finisher of all-time" :rolleyes: ) James' seasons, on a comparable number of attempts per game (~6.7 FGA at the rim per game compared to 6.6-6.9 for Lebron most seasons). Then keep in mind that he was doing this in an era where the paint was FAR more packed, with MUCH worse spacing that what Lebron has enjoyed in both Cleveland and especially Miami, with LEGIT big men inside waiting to block shots or take hard fouls, and it's pretty clear that Jordan is either the best finisher of all time (an argument I and most other knowledgeable fans have long maintained) or on the VERY short list of them.

Don't even get started on his mid-range FG%, which is similarly crazy. His percentages take a dump on Lebron despite taking 5 more midrange shots per game, and they are also significantly better than prime Kobe's midrange numbers on 2+ more attempts per game. Disgusting.

Really glad you took the time to do this, since it's good to have data to support what is pretty easily observable.

[PHILA]

it's pretty clear that Jordan is either the best finisher of all time (an argument I and most other knowledgeable fans have long maintained) or on the VERY short list of them.

I would say Barkley, though he is a clear outlier. Even Shaq wasn't finishing at Barkley's efficiency.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8769975&postcount=41

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312709

In the 84 game sample he shot 81% at the rim, though he went up strong with two hands almost every single time, thus reducing the chance of him missing easy shots every now and then. I can't even recall him doing a one handed dunk. Everything around the basket was a powerful two handed finish.



In this video below he powers through the attempted trap like it is a practice drill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmjUpA3UVlA&t=3m3s

[scm5]

Surprised (but not really given the Lebron slurping over there) that there is so little discussion of this in the topic you created at that other forum.

His 74.3% at-rim FG% is ABSURD, and is higher than all but one of Lebron ("the best finisher of all-time" :rolleyes: ) James' seasons, on a comparable number of attempts per game (~6.7 FGA at the rim per game compared to 6.6-6.9 for Lebron most seasons). Then keep in mind that he was doing this in an era where the paint was FAR more packed, with MUCH worse spacing that what Lebron has enjoyed in both Cleveland and especially Miami, with LEGIT big men inside waiting to block shots or take hard fouls, and it's pretty clear that Jordan is either the best finisher of all time (an argument I and most other knowledgeable fans have long maintained) or on the VERY short list of them.

Don't even get started on his mid-range FG%, which is similarly crazy. His percentages take a dump on Lebron despite taking 5 more midrange shots per game, and they are also significantly better than prime Kobe's midrange numbers on 2+ more attempts per game. Disgusting.

Really glad you took the time to do this, since it's good to have data to support what is pretty easily observable.

Lebron only had two seasons above Jordan's 74.3% at the rim.

[Young X]

On Court ORtg: 123.9

Off Court ORtg: 88.3

Net ORtg: +35.6:eek:


51% midrange jumper (on 1500+ attempts)? Unbelievable.

Thank you for taking the time to do this, we really appreciate it.

GOAT gonna GOAT.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Lebron only had two seasons above Jordan's 74.3% at the rim.

No, he only had one season (2013). The current season of 14 games or whatever is not a full season.


I would say Barkley, though he is a clear outlier. Even Shaq wasn't finishing at Barkley's efficiency.

Yeah, Barkley (and of course Shaq) was monstrous inside. Barkley is a favorite of mine. I meant among wing players.

[AirFederer]

Like a boss :applause: :bowdown:

Great work, OP!

[inclinerator]

?? am i missing something these arent stats for 1 full seasons, rather just a selection of his best streaks

[OldSchoolBBall]

?? am i missing something these arent stats for 1 full seasons, rather just a selection of his best streaks

Err, no, it's a (more than) representative sample over 3 full seasons. It's essentially a season and a half's worth of data. It's not "his best streaks" nor is it cherry picked.

[Round Mound]

I would say Barkley, though he is a clear outlier. Even Shaq wasn't finishing at Barkley's efficiency.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8769975&postcount=41

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312709

In the 84 game sample he shot 81% at the rim, though he went up strong with two hands almost every single time, thus reducing the chance of him missing easy shots every now and then. I can't even recall him doing a one handed dunk. Everything around the basket was a powerful two handed finish.



In this video below he powers through the attempted trap like it is a practice drill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmjUpA3UVlA&t=3m3s


:bowdown: :applause: :rockon: :pimp:

[sportjames23]

Basically what some of us have been saying for eons.

if you combined the best of Kobe at his best
The best of Bron at his best
And the best of Wade at his best

You get MJ


Essentially.

[scm5]

No, he only had one season (2013). The current season of 14 games or whatever is not a full season.


http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=LeBron%20James

75.4 in 2012
78.3 last season.

I don't know what his percentages are this season.

[Psileas]

Phila, can you post the cumulative averages of Jordan (pts, rebs, etc) in these games?
BTW, the totals of the shot chart are 1346-2478 FG's.

[scm5]

Basically what some of us have been saying for eons.

if you combined the best of Kobe at his best
The best of Bron at his best
And the best of Wade at his best

You get MJ

I'm guessing you included Wade just to bring down MJ's 3 point shooting.

[Dro]

Hmm....the children aint gonna like this topic...Good shit OP...

[Round Mound]

Yeah...I Remember The Barkley Gorilla 2 Handed Dunks When I Was a Kid :rockon:

But Barkley Would Dunk It With Either Hand Too. Check This Dunk On Mutombo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPnbqWusWVg

:bowdown:

[PHILA]

Phila, can you post the cumulative averages of Jordan (pts, rebs, etc) in these games?
BTW, the totals of the shot chart are 1346-2478 FG's.

I didn't keep track of the statistics other than points scored and FG/FGA, except in "clutch" time. Overall the per game averages for all the games listed (some incomplete) is 33.7 ppg while shooting 53.5% from the floor.

[scm5]

I didn't keep track of the statistics other than points scored and FG/FGA, except in "clutch" time. Overall the per game averages for all the games listed (some incomplete) is 33.7 ppg while shooting 53.5% from the floor.

MiGOD GOATdan

[Trollsmasher]

People jerking off to arbitrary chosen games in this thread:facepalm

I wonder how many "off games" have been included in this. I doubt there were many.

Great work though.

[PHILA]

BTW, the totals of the shot chart are 1346-2478 FG's.

Actually the totals for both shot charts + the Synergy chart is 1672/3128 FG.

[Micku]

The +/- on the Ortg really pretty shocking. The Net ORtg: +35.6 is simply insane. Legendary. While I do not Shaq net ORtg of 2000, I know his 2002 playoffs On − Off was +22.1. I'm shocked that the Bulls team sucked that much offensively without him. It didn't seem so when I was watching some of his games.

The +/- on Drtg is pretty big too. It's bigger than Kevin Garnett 04 (net -6.1) and Tim Duncan 03 (-5.1). While it doesn't mean he is better defensively, it just means he had crazy impact and his team didn't do well without him. That is also surprising because he had Pippen and Grant on the team.

I'm not that shocked about the midrange. He shot mostly jumpers anyway, and if you watch his games, you can tell how good he was. I'm shocked about him finishing around the rim tho. He seemed more like around 60% when watching him in the playoffs. I didn't expect a 70% with him finishing at the rim. Especially since the paint was much more crowded then than it is now. He has LeBron efficiency at the rim despite the harder difficulty.

Tho it's not the full season, it basically showed how epic prime MJ really was.

[Micku]

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=LeBron%20James

75.4 in 2012
78.3 last season.

I don't know what his percentages are this season.

Basketball-reference say that his percentage was 77.6 in the regular season (last season):
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shooting.cgi?player_id=jamesle01&year_id=2013&is_playoffs=0

Including the playoffs it was 75.6%
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/shooting/2013/

Nitpicking.

[fpliii]

The +/- on the Ortg really pretty shocking. The Net ORtg: +35.6 is simply insane. Legendary. While I do not Shaq net ORtg of 2000, I know his 2002 playoffs On − Off was +22.1. I'm shocked that the Bulls team sucked that much offensively without him. It didn't seem so when I was watching some of his games.

The +/- on Drtg is pretty big too. It's bigger than Kevin Garnett 04 (net -6.1) and Tim Duncan 03 (-5.1). While it doesn't mean he is better defensively, it just means he had crazy impact and his team didn't do well without him. That is also surprising because he had Pippen and Grant on the team.

I'm not that shocked about the midrange. He shot mostly jumpers anyway, and if you watch his games, you can tell how good he was. I'm shocked about him finishing around the rim tho. He seemed more like around 60% when watching him in the playoffs. I didn't expect a 70% with him finishing at the rim. Especially since the paint was much more crowded then than it is now. He has LeBron efficiency at the rim despite the harder difficulty.

Tho it's not the full season, it basically showed how epic prime MJ really was.

The data's on nba.com/stats, but you need to do the calculations yourself for the most part. I did on/off for a few notable bigs:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0At9OxyY2Zhw6dHNIeWFHSEpGeFlJcFdrNHRHLV9QZ Xc&usp=sharing

Shaq 00 had 8.3 ORtg diff, -1.5 DRtg diff, 10.1 net diff. Much better in the playoffs (12.9, -11.1, 24.0 total).

[OldSchoolBBall]

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=LeBron%20James

75.4 in 2012
78.3 last season.

I don't know what his percentages are this season.

Sorry, I thought the bottom row was the current season. Point stands though.

[fpliii]

People jerking off to arbitrary chosen games in this thread:facepalm

I wonder how many "off games" have been included in this. I doubt there were many.

Great work though.

When was that word used anywhere? PHILA used every available game of MJ online, no "choosing" involved. If a game is out there, it's included in the sample.

[OldSchoolBBall]

People jerking off to arbitrary chosen games in this thread:facepalm

I wonder how many "off games" have been included in this. I doubt there were many.

Great work though.

lol @ this jackass calling the games chosen "arbitrary" with ZERO justification. These were most of his available games from those seasons. lmao @ dude acting like the OP cherry picked the best games. :oldlol:

[PHILA]

The +/- on Drtg is pretty big too. It's bigger than Kevin Garnett 04 (net -6.1) and Tim Duncan 03 (-5.1). While it doesn't mean he is better defensively, it just means he had crazy impact and his team didn't do well without him. That is also surprising because he had Pippen and Grant on the team.
For what it's worth, Kevin Johnson has said that Jordan's defense was more devastating to the opposition than "anything he could do offensively". I guess this would give some credence to the belief of Bill Russell as the GOAT, strictly looking at it from an opponent's perspective.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaAwAAXF0po


The +/- on the Ortg really pretty shocking. The Net ORtg: +35.6 is simply insane. Legendary. While I do not Shaq net ORtg of 2000, I know his 2002 playoffs On − Off was +22.1. I'm shocked that the Bulls team sucked that much offensively without him. It didn't seem so when I was watching some of his games.
Even more telling is that Pippen was in the game for a lot of those off court minutes for Jordan, since Phil Jackson would keep one of the two players in the game to play with the bench (unless it was garbage time). The Bulls bench was inconsistent, though I think the statistics here underrate their capabilities. Even players like Will Perdue (great passer) were excellent players within their roles off the bench. In Pippen's case, he was an excellent creator and deadly in transition, though his outside jump shot was a bit shaky. What is most impressive how he really improved his outside shooting over his career, considering how bad he was as a rookie.

But that bench came through for them in big games as well, notably Game 6 vs. Portland in the Finals. For a good portion of that game it looked like the Blazers were going to force a Game 7, but early in the 4th quarter the bench led by Pippen, Hansen, etc went on a run to cut the big Blazers lead down. When Jordan subbed back in he finished them off the last 6 minutes.

Imagine seeing an explosive move off the dribble like this in high definition

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF2iBb6fp5g

[scm5]

Basketball-reference say that his percentage was 77.6 in the regular season (last season):
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/shooting.cgi?player_id=jamesle01&year_id=2013&is_playoffs=0

Including the playoffs it was 75.6%
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/shooting/2013/

Nitpicking.

Well, to be fair to both sites, it's probably very hard to determine the difference between "at rim" and a shot that's 3 feet away from the basket sometimes. Same with the midrange percentages.

[Greg Oden 50]

People jerking off to arbitrary chosen games in this thread:facepalm

I wonder how many "off games" have been included in this. I doubt there were many.

Great work though.

JORDAN AGAINST BAD BOY,KNICKS,SONICS,:bowdown: LEBRON AGAINST OLD SPURS,THUNDERS,MAVS :roll: :roll: :roll:

[sportjames23]

People jerking off to arbitrary chosen games in this thread:facepalm

I wonder how many "off games" have been included in this. I doubt there were many.

Great work though.


Hater in the house!

[PHILA]

Well, to be fair to both sites, it's probably very hard to determine the difference between "at rim" and a shot that's 3 feet away from the basket sometimes. Same with the midrange percentages.

Yes, NBA.com charts have LeBron at 75.97% at the rim (restricted area) last season.

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2544&zone-mode=basic&Season=2012-13


Shaq in 2001 (regular season) was at 77.37%.

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=406&zone-mode=basic&Season=2000-01


In 2000, he was at 74.84%.

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=406&zone-mode=basic&Season=1999-00

[plowking]

Err, no, it's a (more than) representative sample over 3 full seasons. It's essentially a season and a half's worth of data. It's not "his best streaks" nor is it cherry picked.

Considering OP said its games he found available, and on the internet, its more than likely a collection of his better games, as most people would not want to watch his less than great games.

[PHILA]

playoffs
Playoff Only Crunch Time Statistics

24 Games Total

http://i.imgur.com/09XcdJP.png



http://i.imgur.com/QsPpOrR.png



Plus/Minus Total: +87

Plus/Minus Per 48: +42.2

Win Percentage: 70.8%





Total Statistics

http://i.imgur.com/mkjVAW4.png




Per 48 Statistics

http://i.imgur.com/pXUCEnY.png

[Derivative]

GOAT gonna GOAT

[iTare]

GOAT gonna GOAT
Wrong thread. The GOATBrook appreciation thread is this way >> http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=318168

[Derivative]

Wrong thread. The GOATBrook appreciation thread is that way >> http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=318168


yea damn ur right:hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[The_Pharcyde]

Highest peak of any player

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Highest peak of any player
Shaq

[La Frescobaldi]

Shaq
are you wrong about every single thing? can't you give your user back to your dad

[RoundMoundOfReb]

are you wrong about every single thing? can't you give your user back to your dad
you put forth an excellent argument.

[Angel Face]

1 on 1 Defense

15/55 FG (27.3%)



His offensive stats is not that surprising because we all know how great of a scorer MJ is, but damn, his defense is ****in beast! :bowdown:

Good find OP, GOAT gonna GOAT :pimp:

[julizaver]

Playoff Only Crunch Time Statistics

24 Games Total

http://i.imgur.com/09XcdJP.png



http://i.imgur.com/QsPpOrR.png



Plus/Minus Total: +87

Plus/Minus Per 48: +42.2

Win Percentage: 70.8%





Total Statistics

http://i.imgur.com/mkjVAW4.png




Per 48 Statistics

http://i.imgur.com/pXUCEnY.png

:cheers: for the research.

Jordan's best years in the game were those between 1990 and 1993 during his first 3peet. And any normal basketball who had watch games during '80s would confirm that.
Jordan himself had stated in 1996 (by memory - no time to search) that at the moment he was feeling at his best, knowing the game better, more mature than before (prior to his 1st retirement in 1993). But I tend to disagree and I think it has to do more with his ego and competitive nature rather than bein objective - no way Jordan would admit that he was not the same player of course as he was still the best in the league. When Jordan suddenly returned to the game at the end of '95 season he was clearly and visibly off shape. He was slower, less explosive and probably some 10 pounds heavier. Although he had some Jordanesque games like the one in which he scored 55 vs Knicks, he was probably for the first time vulnerable he was not the basketball god he was two years before. In the offseason he worked hard to be in shape and returned strong for the next season. The other is history.

[andgar923]

LMAO @ yet another thread spreading more Jordan 'myths'.

[The_Pharcyde]

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GOAT

[plowking]

LMAO @ yet another thread spreading more Jordan 'myths'.

You do realize those stats are from a collection of his best games in those seasons, since these are the ones available on the internet, right?

All those stats are trending on the high side based on that.

[Asukal]

You do realize those stats are from a collection of his best games in those seasons, since these are the ones available on the internet, right?

All those stats are trending on the high side based on that.

You do realize he shot .497 or 50% with 30.1 ppg for his whole career? That is very close to the numbers posted. :rolleyes:

[plowking]

You do realize he shot .497 or 50% with 30.1 ppg for his whole career? That is very close to the numbers posted. :rolleyes:

We're constantly told by MJ fans his jumpshot got better as he got older... since he refined his game and all that.

Well, he isn't shooting 50% from midrange then, in 91, when he was shooting under 50% in his second 3 peat while becoming a so called better shooter. Especially when you factor in how good a finisher he was at the ring.
So it is literally impossible for him to have been a 50% midrange shooter, given the list of games would have been from his more impressive games, and the fact that he became a better shooter makes it obvious it was trending on the high side in terms of stats.

In reality, he was probably a 70% shooter near the basket, and anywhere from 43-46% from midrange. Similar to Chris Paul in that regard from midrange.

[Asukal]

We're constantly told by MJ fans his jumpshot got better as he got older... since he refined his game and all that.

Well, he isn't shooting 50% from midrange then, in 91, when he was shooting under 50% in his second 3 peat while becoming a so called better shooter. Especially when you factor in how good a finisher he was at the ring.
So it is literally impossible for him to have been a 50% midrange shooter, given the list of games would have been from his more impressive games, and the fact that he became a better shooter makes it obvious it was trending on the high side in terms of stats.

In reality, he was probably a 70% shooter near the basket, and anywhere from 43-46% from midrange. Similar to Chris Paul in that regard from midrange.

That's totally not true. 80's MJ had great midrange game, its just that he relied more on his ability to get to the paint. Past his prime, he relied more on his iso fadeaways which are tough shots so his efficiency dipped a bit. He was a great mid range shooter since day 1. :whatever:

[SHAQisGOAT]

That's totally not true. 80's MJ had great midrange game, its just that he relied more on his ability to get to the paint. Past his prime, he relied more on his iso fadeaways which are tough shots so his efficiency dipped a bit. He was a great mid range shooter since day 1. :whatever:

Can say it depends on one's definition of 'great' but you're totally on point there.

In the mid-80's he was killing teams by slashing/driving with his freakish athleticism, major finishing skills and very good handles... To go along with that, he had a sick jumpshot from just outside the paint, call it close-range or not but it was from what it's considered mid-range area. Plus, he could jump out the gym as known, while doing just that for those J's and releasing it at the peak out his jump... Many times you'd see him pumpfaking in mid-air and still making the shot.

As the years passed he always improved his overall game along with his jumper, most importantly his range...
By the late-80's he was wetting them mid-range J's, even deep ones. And then even developed into a solid 3pt-shooter.

Ofc, as the years went by he lost some athleticism, later on still a great overall athlete but relying more on jumpers... Thing is that he always developed, including his post-game, so on...

BTW, Jordan was a better FT shooter in his younger days.

[ClipperRevival]

No matter how you slice it or analyze it, MJ always comes out on top. He is legit. Nothing was given to him. Everyone tried to beat him but he accepted the challenge, took on all comers and beat them all. No one was able to impose his will on the game on both ends better than MJ. They don't say, "the Michael Jordan of XXXX" for no reason. It is like an accepted phrase in American culture. When someone is so great at something, people will say that phrase.

:bowdown:

[comerb]

People jerking off to arbitrary chosen games in this thread:facepalm

I wonder how many "off games" have been included in this. I doubt there were many.

Great work though.

Probably not, Jordan didn't have many off games.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

So now we're arguing with presumption? Hope that doesn't become an ISH thing. Give me the arbitrary numbers which are at least factual over purely guessing.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

We're constantly told by MJ fans his jumpshot got better as he got older... since he refined his game and all that.

Well, he isn't shooting 50% from midrange then, in 91, when he was shooting under 50% in his second 3 peat while becoming a so called better shooter. Especially when you factor in how good a finisher he was at the ring.
So it is literally impossible for him to have been a 50% midrange shooter, given the list of games would have been from his more impressive games, and the fact that he became a better shooter makes it obvious it was trending on the high side in terms of stats.

In reality, he was probably a 70% shooter near the basket, and anywhere from 43-46% from midrange. Similar to Chris Paul in that regard from midrange.
Umm CP3 has been near 50% from midrange the past couple seasons and well above this season while doing all the creating himself pretty much, very lowly assisted, from pullups. He has the best midrange in the league now that Dirk is past prime
CP3 is a top 5 midrange ever anyways, only behind Dirk, Bird and MJ, maybe Dantley/English

[SaltyMeatballs]

I hear Jordan loves to make that "baaa baaa" sound. You know why? Cause he's the freaking GOAT!

[GIF REACTION]

The illegal defense rules inflated offensive numbers by hindering team defense,

[3ball]

you guys

[3ball]

:facepalm

[3ball]

The illegal defense rules inflated offensive numbers by hindering team defense



Paint camping was legal in previous eras, whereas today it's banned.. Hand-checking and various physicality has also been banned - defense is now hands-off.

But the most important thing is spacing - there was none in previous eras - teams only took 2 three-pointers per game in 1985, compared to 22 per game today.. With no spacing, all the driving, cutting, and passing lanes were smaller - offense was harder for everyone.

The lack of spacing left the strongside with more defenders too - defenders in previous eras didn't have to guard weakside 3-pointers, so they didn't have to BE on the weakside - all defenders remained on the strongside and/or in the paint, and therefore closest to help on strongside action:


http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/573113292e852dcb8f5fe242c53e3982.gif



Otoh, in today's game, defenders must guard weakside spacing.. To defend weakside 3-pointers, defenders must position themselves behind the far side of the paint on the weakside, therefore leaving the paint wide open while being furthest away to help on strongside action:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-05-2015/P5Zone.gif


MJ never faced a paint that was wide open with no defenders.. EVER.. This is a fact..

But it's clear as day in today's game - every team's 3-point shooting and spacing strategy uses weakside spacing to reduce the number of strongside defenders.. Players routinely face strongsides with only 1 or 2 defenders, due to weakside floor-spreaders that lure defenders away.. The weakside spacing and resulting porous strongsides necessitate the flooding of defenders BACK TO the strongside - this is how strongside floods originated.

Otoh, weakside spacing didn't exist in previous eras, so defenders weren't lured away - defenders just remained on the strongside, which meant players faced strongsides that were already flooded with all 5 defenders (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11128077&postcount=21).. The difference is night and day - just a completely different game altogether..

Today's weakside spacing and resulting porous strongsides make strongside isolations easier to execute and more effective.. However, in the 2015 Finals, Golden State let Lebron isolate all alone on the strongside - Lebron is such a poor shooter and horrible isolation player, that letting him isolate made mathematical sense.. Lebron only shot 32.5% on isolations in the playoffs - it always makes the most sense to let a player attempt a 32.5% shot over and over.. The Warriors exploited the Cavs by letting Lebron isolate at 32.5% a pop over and over:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378398
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[Nuff Said]

So now we're arguing with presumption? Hope that doesn't become an ISH thing. Give me the arbitrary numbers which are at least factual over purely guessing.
Ikr. At least use stats or even damn clip gifs to help prove a point.

[Height Freak]

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[tripledouble55]

http://i.imgur.com/ricSzdw.jpg


126 Games Total

http://i.imgur.com/g3XPS5u.png

1989-90: 35 games
1990-91: 44 games
1991-92: 47 games


Shot Chart


At Rim: 629/847 FG (74.3%)
In Paint (Overall): 786/1333 FG (59.0%)
Midrange: 793/1552 FG (51.1%)
3 Point: 93/243 FG (38.3%)

Shot Attempts Blocked (Offense): 67

*This means 2.1% of his shots (3128 FGA) were blocked in this footage

Overall Chart

Isolation Plays Only

Team Performance

Plus/Minus

Plus/Minus Total: +1767

Plus/Minus Per 100: +18.3

On/Off

On Court ORtg: 123.9

Off Court ORtg: 88.3

Net ORtg: +35.6

On Court DRtg: 105.5

Off Court DRtg: 114.8

Net DRtg: -9.3

On/Off Net Rating: 44.9

Clutch Play

59 Total Games

4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points


Plus/Minus Total: +246

Plus/Minus Per 48: +48.8

Win Percentage: 74.6 %



1 on 1 Defense

15/55 FG (27.3%)


Total Statistics

Per 48 Statistics


Sports Illustrated - May 21, 1990

It wasn't so much that Hawkins scored only two points in the final 12 minutes, it was more that Jordan wouldn't even let him touch the ball. The least recognized part of Jordan's game is his ability to slip picks and suddenly pop up in the passing lane, like a kid who finds a shortcut to the candy store. "Nobody has ever been better at the end of a game than Michael," said Bulls coach Phil Jackson afterward. " Oscar Robertson was great, but this guy is a closer at both ends."



Sports Illustrated - June 28, 1993

There would seem to be four players with whom realistically to compare Jordan: Magic and Bird, both of whom were three-time regular-season MVPs; Bill Russell, the ultimate winner, who led the Celtics to 11 championships in 13 seasons; and Oscar Robertson, whose versatility, leadership and coldhearted competitiveness during 13 seasons make him closest to Jordan in playing style.

"Oscar was great defensively when he wanted to be," says 68-year-old Bull assistant Johnny Bach. "But Michael is the Tasmanian devil."




"No matter what the game is or who you're playing against, you have to want the ball."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIAow8OKOeM


I'm really hope you preserved this incredible body of work somehow. GoogleSheets or some spreadsheet that can't get lost on a laptop or something. This is an incredible amount of work that I'd love to see completed for as many games as possible. I'd love to start a group where we email teams asking for pbp data prior to 1997. From Harvey Pollack's work, there was definitely play pbp data back to 1988 as he had dunk totals and many other stats on all other NBA teams up to that point. Prior to that, he kept 76ers stats (so it seems) back to the 1960s fairly well. After that, probably would try to get video (much less likely I'd imagine, but can't hurt to ask). Would love to digitize as much PBP data as possible, especially shot distances, dunks, etc.