Per ISH's favorite sauce man, Chris Broussard "Cavs shopping Dion Waiters"

[Levity]

https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/405796001006370816


Sources: Cavs shopping Dion Waiters. They've spoken w/Chi, NYK & Philly. No deal imminent. Waiters is open to being traded.

you feel he pulled this out of his ass using dion waiters benching and recent missed games as reason why? or do you feel there is some truth behind this

cav fans, you guys LOVE waiters, at least from the post i read on here regularly. how would you feel about this?

[coin24]

Wonder what they can get for him, never been a fan..

[CelticBaller]

Bring him to the Celts, we'll give you Marshon and we can throw a filler in

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I too am not high on Waiters. Shumpert for Waiters?

[Levity]

Bring him to the Celts, we'll give you Marshon and we can throw a filler in

any way they can pry bradley from you guys? i think he'd look pretty good next to irving.

[HeyIt'sMe]

Waiters is a horrible, horrible basketball player. I have no idea why so many people like the guy.

[DukeDelonte13]

i love waiters, i'm a huge fan. He can flat out ball. Contrary to popular belief, he is not a chucker, he's an excellent spot up shooter and can get to the rack at will. He's a willing passer and a tireless worker.

His weaknesses are his lack of consistency on the defensive end and he's also not so great off the ball. He's not a great shooter off the dribble. He's still very young though...

Dion has a hunger and a tenacity that i wish Kyrie had.


If these rumors are true ill be extremely disappointed. Cavs are letting a legit young scoring 2 guard go.

[FireDavidKahn]

Waiters is a horrible, horrible basketball player. I have no idea why so many people like the guy.
People always like high draft picks who failed on their first teams. Same reason why people think it was Rick Adelman holding Derrick Williams back in MN.

[DukeDelonte13]

Waiters is a horrible, horrible basketball player. I have no idea why so many people like the guy.

:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

if you actually watched him play you wouldn't be saying that. And it's not like his stats were bad last year either. He puts up very similar stats to Beal, and per 36 very similar to Harden and Westbrook's rookie seasons as well. Haters gonna hate i guess.

[PJR]

Waiters is a horrible, horrible basketball player. I have no idea why so many people like the guy.

This. Inefficient, and a bad defender. :confusedshrug:

[LilEddyCurry]

I am very disappointed in the Cav's last two draft picks. Could of at least drafted Oladipo then trade this chucker, instead they draft fat Bennett :facepalm LeBron will not be coming back, at least not in 2014.

[CelticBaller]

any way they can pry bradley from you guys? i think he'd look pretty good next to irving.
I'll do it, I know it may sound crazy for some Celtics fans but Waiters shows flashes of being freaking good, Bradley is lovely but I don't know if he's developing an offensive game(though we haven't seen him much at SG). Throw in a 1st round pick and I'll do it.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I have no idea why any of those listed teams would want Dion Waiters. I don't doubt that trade rumors are circulating, but I highly doubt Chris ****ing Broussard knows about any of them. He has about as much information as we do. Wait until Woj says something.

[HeyIt'sMe]

:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

if you actually watched him play you wouldn't be saying that. And it's not like his stats were bad last year either. He puts up very similar stats to Beal, and per 36 very similar to Harden and Westbrook's rookie seasons as well. Haters gonna hate i guess.

He's madly inefficient. He gets all this love because he can "get to the rim at will" yet he can't ever finish when he gets there, so what does it matter?

[ProfessorMurder]

I'll do it, I know it may sound crazy for some Celtics fans but Waiters shows flashes of being freaking good, Bradley is lovely but I don't know if he's developing an offensive game(though we haven't seen him much at SG). Throw in a 1st round pick and I'll do it.

If they really are building with Rondo, then Bradley should go. Rondo needs shooters. I love Bradley's defense, but without scoring power from the 1 and the 2 is hard to overcome. I'd rather keep Lee than Bradley at this point.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I'll do it, I know it may sound crazy for some Celtics fans but Waiters shows flashes of being freaking good, Bradley is lovely but I don't know if he's developing an offensive game(though we haven't seen him much at SG). Throw in a 1st round pick and I'll do it.
Cavs will not be giving up any first round picks anytime soon.

[longtime lurker]

I have no idea why any of those listed teams would want Dion Waiters. I don't doubt that trade rumors are circulating, but I highly doubt Chris ****ing Broussard knows about any of them. He has about as much information as we do. Wait until Woj says something.

I've come to the conclusion that Chris Broussard is full of shit.

[CelticBaller]

People always like high draft picks who failed on their first teams. Same reason why people think it was Rick Adelman holding Derrick Williams back in MN.
Why should we be so quick to judge? Look at how Billups and Johnson turned out

[kurple]

denver has to be looking for a SG. but we're not giving up lawson, faried or a draft pick

[CelticBaller]

Cavs will not be giving up any first round picks anytime soon.
Fvck, the idea of Waiters in a Celtics jersey sounds so good, 2nd round pick? :(

[Levity]

denver has to be looking for a SG. but we're not giving up lawson, faried or a draft pick

fournier and a future pick or filler? maybe even miller, who would be a great vet for this young team and offensively lacking coach

[DukeDelonte13]

He's madly inefficient. He gets all this love because he can "get to the rim at will" yet he can't ever finish when he gets there, so what does it matter?


you are just wrong. He played efficiently from Jan until the end of the season last year.

[Levity]

you are just wrong. He played efficiently from Jan until the end of the season last year.

do you believe there is animosity in the locker room between waiters and other players. mr sauce man is speculating that him and tristan are bumping heads

[GOBB]

Didnt see this thread. Merge mine here.

I dont care for Dion Waiters. Especially if Cavs are talkin Turner. They can kick rocks. :no:

[alenleomessi]

one of the most horrible basketball player i have ever seen... not even worth trading a 2nd rounder for him

[GOBB]

one of the most horrible basketball player i have ever seen... not even worth trading a 2nd rounder for him

U had 5 red boxes, now you have 6. Guess how that happened?

[andremiller07]

fournier and a future pick or filler? maybe even miller, who would be a great vet for this young team and offensively lacking coach
Founrier down the road will be a much better player Denver is dumb for not playing him/trying to develop him, but he's yet to get the chance Waiters has got in terms of playing time, if I were the Cavs I would go after Hayward try get a package going he can play the point forward role which is perfect since Kyrie is more of a scoring player. They got a surplus of SF's none of which are starters so Hayward would be a perfect fit.

[RedBlackAttack]

https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard/status/405796001006370816



you feel he pulled this out of his ass using dion waiters benching and recent missed games as reason why? or do you feel there is some truth behind this

cav fans, you guys LOVE waiters, at least from the post i read on here regularly. how would you feel about this?
I still love Dion's potential and work ethic. Due to his compact body type, people wrongly assume he's pudgy. The guy is an absolute gym rat. From everything that I heard, he basically lived in the practice facility this offseason.

And, it has shown in his jumpshot. He's now much more consistent with going straight up and down, and he's better from range. He's shooting 39-percent from 3 this season, which is actually really good (better than Kyrie, atm).

He's got a lethal first step and his defense is also much improved.

The problem is, will he and Kyrie ever be able to co-exist on the same floor at the same time? That was my biggest question when they drafted him and it seems to be coming to a head. They have him coming off the bench now which, from a talent standpoint, is laughable. He's probably the second best natural talent on the whole roster (not counting injured Bynum).

But, he needs to be given room to operate and he's at his best when the offense is running through him. Will he ever be able to completely embrace a standard SG role, which is really what Kyrie needs to help space the floor?

Maybe, but they would need a knockdown shooter at the 3. Alonzo Gee and Earl Clark aren't going to work with an Irving/Waiters backcourt. The spacing is horrible.


I would hate to throw the baby out with the bath water. I still feel like this deserves an investment of time and effort by the front office, because Irving/Waiters would have lethal potential if they could figure it out. But, at the same time, I understand what the FO is thinking if they are, in fact, shopping Dion.


I'll tell you this... if I were the GM of a team who needed a slashing/playmaking combo guard with ridiculous potential, I'd be on the phone right now, because Dion could probably be had at a relatively reasonable price.

For a team willing to invest the time/effort in cultivating his potential and putting him on a roster where he makes sense, the sky is the limit.

[Meticode]

Broussard is reporting, so take it with a grain of salt. All I have to say is...

*sighs*

...if this is true then obviously something happened in that players only meeting we don't know about. There's no way you draft Waiters who has done decently well improving his defense this season, they snatch his playing time away from him, bench him and now they're looking to trade him.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

PB on suicide watch.

[Meticode]

PB on suicide watch.
He's not real.

[RedBlackAttack]

you are just wrong. He played efficiently from Jan until the end of the season last year.
Exactly. Anyone who saw Dion during the second half of last season caught a glimpse of elite SG potential. He shot 45% from the field from Jan. 1 to the end of the season and that was while making only 29% of his threes. From Feb. 1 to the end of the season (April 17), his FG% went up to 47. He just got more and more efficient as the season went along. I don't call that inconsistent.

Now, he's shooting 39% from three and his jumper looks far better.

If he's in a situation where he has room to get to the basket, he could be a force and his defense is also much improved. There's very little not to like about Dion Waiters, to be totally honest, other than him not being a great fit next to Kyrie at the moment.

[chips93]

i think the big issue with waiters is still his finishing at the rim.

he was bad last year, and even when he improved as the year went on, he was never even average for a shooting guard, and this year hes even worse.

as a guy who is a talented slasher, if he just cant finish at the basket, he wont be an efficient player.

and im not sure finishing at the basket is really something you can improve upon all that much. if you are small, short arms, not explosive enough, poor touch on layups, none of these things get better with time, and put a low ceiling on what kind of scorer you can be.

[OG LeeTSkeeT]

Damn and they coulda had Lillard or Drummond.

[RedBlackAttack]

Broussard is reporting, so take it with a grain of salt. All I have to say is...

*sighs*

...if this is true then obviously something happened in that players only meeting we don't know about. There's no way you draft Waiters who has done decently well improving his defense this season, they snatch his playing time away from him, bench him and now they're looking to trade him.
I don't think that's true at all.

First, from everything I've heard, Byron Scott was the biggest reason the Waiters pick was made. He pleaded with Grant to pull the trigger on him.

Scott had plans of making Irving/Waiters work. Now, there's a completely different system in place.

The only weird thing is, I do think Dion has looked pretty damn good so far this season. But, it is also pretty obvious that he and Kyrie don't have a good feel for one another.

I think, if this were to happen, it wouldn't signal lockerroom strife necessarily, though that isn't out of the question. To me, it would be a signal that they don't think Irving/Waiters are going to work together and they're obviously rolling with Kyrie.

[Meticode]

Damn and they coulda had Lillard or Drummond.
Why would you draft Lillard when you having Irving? Drummond makes more sense. The only players the could've drafted that made sense now would've been Drummond or Barnes.

[RedBlackAttack]

Damn and they coulda had Lillard or Drummond.
Yes... they could have had... Lillard!

Who would make how much sense with Kyrie Irving in place? :wtf:

Revisionist historians... got to love them.

[Meticode]

I don't think that's true at all.

First, from everything I've heard, Byron Scott was the biggest reason the Waiters pick was made. He pleaded with Grant to pull the trigger on him.

Scott had plans of making Irving/Waiters work. Now, there's a completely different system in place.

The only weird thing is, I do think Dion has looked pretty damn good so far this season. But, it is also pretty obvious that he and Kyrie don't have a good feel for one another.

I think, if this were to happen, it wouldn't signal lockerroom strife necessarily, though that isn't out of the question. To me, it would be a signal that they don't think Irving/Waiters are going to work together and they're obviously rolling with Kyrie.
Yet another reason I felt hiring Brown was a mistake. I would've preferred Scott to stay honestly even though we sucked In his three seasons.

[Brook(lyn)Lopez]

49.2 TS% last year and a disgustingly terrible 46 TS% this year which is 5th worst amongst all shooting guards. If this guy had any potential, he sure has hell ain't showing it this year.

[Meticode]

49.2 TS% last year and a disgustingly terrible 46 TS% this year which is 5th worst amongst all shooting guards. If this guy had any potential, he sure has hell ain't showing it this year.
Yes, because TS% is an overall complete picture of a player. We see that stat, we automatically know about that player.

[RedBlackAttack]

Yet another reason I felt hiring Brown was a mistake. I would've preferred Scott to stay honestly even though we sucked In his three seasons.
I thought Scott got sort of a raw deal, since even Dan Gilbert was saying we had a "three year plan." That basically meant we were supposed to suck for three consecutive years.

So, in a sense, Scott did his job.

However, I have heard he spent a lot of time on the golf course in his three years as coach. A lot of time. General consensus among those "in the know" seems to be that he didn't put forward a huge effort.

[RedBlackAttack]

49.2 TS% last year and a disgustingly terrible 46 TS% this year which is 5th worst amongst all shooting guards. If this guy had any potential, he sure has hell ain't showing it this year.
Why watch games when you have TS%?!

[no pun intended]

lmao and they could've draftred oladipo

[chips93]

lmao and they could've draftred oladipo

tbh thats one that really hurts

if we had oladipo/irving starting, with waiters off the bench, that would be perfect.

[WhySoInsecure?]

lmao and they could've draftred oladipo
Oladipo is a role player for life

[RedBlackAttack]

lmao and they could've draftred oladipo
Yes... who is currently shredding the league with his 12.7 points on 40% shooting, mostly as a backup in Orlando. I like Oladipo as much as the next guy, but why does everyone act as though this guy is the next GOAT SG?

I see a lot of the same problems with Dipo and Irving as there are with Waiters and Irving. Oladipo is at his best with the ball in his hands, running the offense. He's not a great outside shooter.

He is a very good defender, but then Waiters is also showing immense improvement in that area and has the athleticism/build to be a good defender.

A guy like Klay Thompson or Brad Beal would be the perfect 2 next to Kyrie. He needs room to use his ridiculous quickness/handle. Would Oladipo provide that? I don't think so.

[RedBlackAttack]

tbh thats one that really hurts

if we had oladipo/irving starting, with waiters off the bench, that would be perfect.
I'm not seeing how Irving/Oladipo work together on the offensive end. What am I missing?

I still think Noel was the best prospect in that draft and probably the guy I'd take with a do-over, even though we won't see him this year. An Irving/Oladipo/Waiters backcourt is the definition of redundancy from where I'm standing.

[Meticode]

I'm not seeing how Irving/Oladipo work together on the offensive end. What am I missing?

I still think Noel was the best prospect in that draft and probably the guy I'd take with a do-over, even though we won't see him this year. An Irving/Oladipo/Waiters backcourt is the definition of redundancy from where I'm standing.
If Cleveland really trades him, out of what is mentioned what would you want to happen the most?

[Doranku]

Yes... who is currently shredding the league with his 12.7 points on 40% shooting, mostly as a backup in Orlando. I like Oladipo as much as the next guy, but why does everyone act as though this guy is the next GOAT SG?

I see a lot of the same problems with Dipo and Irving as there are with Waiters and Irving. Oladipo is at his best with the ball in his hands, running the offense. He's not a great outside shooter.

He is a very good defender, but then Waiters is also showing immense improvement in that area and has the athleticism/build to be a good defender.

A guy like Klay Thompson or Brad Beal would be the perfect 2 next to Kyrie. He needs room to use his ridiculous quickness/handle. Would Oladipo provide that? I don't think so.

Dipo might not be perfect, but anyone would have been better than Bennett.

[Meticode]

Dipo might not be perfect, but anyone would have been better than Bennett.
You really can't argue with that. :oldlol: He's been a disaster. The worst offensive start for any rookie...ever...in NBA history.

[RedBlackAttack]

If Cleveland really trades him, out of what is mentioned what would you want to happen the most?
I still would have taken Noel. Rim protectors like that are very difficult to find and he's got some really raw potential on the offensive end, too. At the very least, I think he'll be an elite defensive/rebounding big.

That is assuming this knee injury isn't more severe than what has been reported. Then again, they were saying in the lead-up to the draft that he might be able to come back by Christmas and now he's out for the year, so maybe it is that bad.

I would not have gone Oladipo regardless. I just don't see the high ceiling everyone seems to be anticipating. He's relatively old for a rookie and it took several years for him to have a big impact at Indiana. Those kind of guys always scare me, especially when they're >25% 3-point shooters for most of their college careers... And, especially when it's another combo type SG who seems best with the offense running through him.

He's good defensively, but that's not worth the No. 1 pick.

I think Waiters has a higher ceiling and will end up having a better career, to be totally honest with you.


In retrospect, the Thompson pick looks really good. Like I said, Klay Thompson would be a perfect fit next to Kyrie, but I don't think I'd take him over Tristan in a do-over. The improvements TT has made over his three years lead me to believe he may end up being REALLY good. The only guy who I'd consider is Valancunias, and we know that his agent steered him away from Cleveland anyway.

So, that was the right pick.


I wanted Drummond in the 2012 draft and that isn't being a revisionist historian. I've posted the comments I made in the lead-up to that draft recently and I could never understand why he was dropping. It made no sense to me.


As for Bennett, I'm just not giving up on the pick 14 games into his NBA career. No one has any idea who'll end up being the best players from that draft. It wasn't the pick I would have made (I already said Noel was my guy), but this kid hasn't even gotten a chance.

[Meticode]

I still would have taken Noel. Rim protectors like that are very difficult to find and he's got some really raw potential on the offensive end, too. At the very least, I think he'll be an elite defensive/rebounding big.

That is assuming this knee injury isn't more severe than what has been reported. Then again, they were saying in the lead-up to the draft that he might be able to come back by Christmas and now he's out for the year, so maybe it is that bad.

I would not have gone Oladipo regardless. I just don't see the high ceiling everyone seems to be anticipating. He's relatively old for a rookie and it took several years for him to have a big impact at Indiana. Those kind of guys always scare me, especially when they're >25% 3-point shooters for most of their college careers... And, especially when it's another combo type SG who seems best with the offense running through him.

He's good defensively, but that's not worth the No. 1 pick.

I think Waiters has a higher ceiling and will end up having a better career, to be totally honest with you.


In retrospect, the Thompson pick looks really good. Like I said, Klay Thompson would be a perfect fit next to Kyrie, but I don't think I'd take him over Tristan in a do-over. The improvements TT has made over his three years lead me to believe he may end up being REALLY good. The only guy who I'd consider is Valancunias, and we know that his agent steered him away from Cleveland anyway.

So, that was the right pick.


I wanted Drummond in the 2012 draft and that isn't being a revisionist historian. I've posted the comments I made in the lead-up to that draft recently and I could never understand why he was dropping. It made no sense to me.


As for Bennett, I'm just not giving up on the pick 14 games into his NBA career. No one has any idea who'll end up being the best players from that draft. It wasn't the pick I would have made (I already said Noel was my guy), but this kid hasn't even gotten a chance.
You didn't answer my question though, you mentioned everything else but what I was mentioning.

If Waiters get's traded, ideally...what do you want back? Or who do you want back? Anything out of the players mentioned (Turner, Deng or Shurmpert)?

[chips93]

I'm not seeing how Irving/Oladipo work together on the offensive end. What am I missing?

I still think Noel was the best prospect in that draft and probably the guy I'd take with a do-over, even though we won't see him this year. An Irving/Oladipo/Waiters backcourt is the definition of redundancy from where I'm standing.

oladipo is playing in a strange role in orlando. at indiana he just shot open threes, ran the floor, got offensive rebounds, etc. he basically just got garbage buckets. he doesnt need the ball in his hands.

pretty much the opposite of the issues waiters has with playing alongside irving

and obviously, the big plus would be his defense.

[kshutts1]

Deng and a pick (second, or protected first) for Waiters and Varejao.

Waiters pairs well with Rose and the Bulls' offense, Varejao is a solid big off the bench with Taj, and Deng instantly upgrades the Cavs this year, and is an expiring in the event that they want to get rid of contracts.