Do people appreciate Rajon Rondo more now? [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

Real Men Wear Green

11-30-2013, 06:32 AM

They could use his help right now but to be fair Pierce's numbers went up last year after Rondo got hurt. This is more about age than anything: Rondo would hit them for open jumpers and create scoring opportunities for them with his penetration but Rondo has nothing to do with KG's rebounding, inability to play extended minutes, and declining athletic ability. Ainge traded these guys because he saw a lot of decline and knew there was going to be even more decline.

R.I.P.

11-30-2013, 06:37 AM

No they still think every PG that plays with Pierce, Allen, Perkins and Big Baby can just go out there and nearly average a triple double over 15 play-off games. :hammerhead:

MaxFly

11-30-2013, 09:56 AM

These guys have clearly declined, but this is indicative, in part of how good Rondo actually was/is. The true test will be to see how he plays when he comes back.

Nick Young

11-30-2013, 10:39 AM

Pierce and Garnett are both old grandpas now. Rondo got to play with them at the tail end of their primes, don't forget he only won 1 title, PLUS RAY ALLEN ONE OF THE GOAT DISTANCE SHOOTERS WAS ON THE SAME TEAM.

When Ray Allen left the Celtics, the team was shit, even with Pierce, Garnett and Rondo healthy. Don't you remember?

LeGOAT

11-30-2013, 11:02 AM

Pierce and Garnett are hall of famers. Are you implying they needed Rondo to produce?

BlackWhiteGreen

11-30-2013, 11:03 AM

Pierce and Garnett are hall of famers. Are you implying they needed Rondo to produce?

Since 2010? Definitely.

East_Stone_Ya

11-30-2013, 11:47 AM

kNicKz

11-30-2013, 11:51 AM

We've yet to see what he does without PP/KG so how the hell can we say?

LeGOAT

11-30-2013, 11:55 AM

Since 2010? Definitely.
Paul Pierce was btter last season when Rondo went down.

CelticBaller

11-30-2013, 12:02 PM

We've yet to see what he does without PP/KG so how the hell can we say?
Actually we had, those guys haven't played a full season im years. Last year first round it showed how exhausted pierce was from having to move around with ball for long stretches , and Rondo was the main reason why KG was who he was for the past couple of years. These are guys who can't create their shot like they used to and where blessed to have one of the best PG on their team in their last couple of seasons. I can't wait for Rondo to comeback and regain his throne as a top 5 pg, but even if he comes back you guys are still going to find a reason to hate him :rolleyes:

Nick Young

11-30-2013, 12:07 PM

Actually we had, those guys haven't played a full season im years. Last year first round it showed how exhausted pierce was from having to move around with ball for long stretches , and Rondo was the main reason why KG was who he was for the past couple of years. These are guys who can't create their shot like they used to and where blessed to have one of the best PG on their team in their last couple of seasons. I can't wait for Rondo to comeback and regain his throne as a top 5 pg, but even if he comes back you guys are still going to find a reason to hate him :rolleyes:
Rondo was blessed to play with 3 of the GOAT shooters of all time.

When they left and got hurt, Rondo started to suck. Ray Allen leaving really exposed Rondo for what he is-a high IQ, but overrated and stats padding PG.

CelticBaller

11-30-2013, 12:10 PM

When they left and got hurt, Rondo started to suck. Ray Allen leaving really exposed Rondo for what he is-a high IQ, but overrated and stats padding PG.
Lolno

Nick Young

11-30-2013, 12:19 PM

Lolno
LAWL you forgot how when Ray Ray left Rondo stopped being as good?

Kblaze8855

11-30-2013, 12:23 PM

Seeing how well KG and PP are doing with the Nets really speaks volumes about what Rondo did to cover for their deficiencies.

Rondo got hurt last year in january. Look into what they did after he left.

Barely any difference. Pierce went from shooting under 40% in January to 20/7/6 on 50% shooting by march....but really...nothing to suggest rondo was making them do anything they otherwise couldnt.

ChuckOakley

11-30-2013, 12:58 PM

Rondo will never get the credit he deserves.
He clearly kept these guys going for a while and a half season resurgence by PP shows nothing, especially when he stunk in the playoffs and is terrible now. KG also can't hit a shot to save his life despite being so good from midrange not long ago.

If the Cs had Rondo last season they beat the Knicks.

Top 3 PG IMO.

jdm_dc_fan

11-30-2013, 04:16 PM

LAWL you forgot how when Ray Ray left Rondo stopped being as good?
Lol you're just shooting in the dark now.

BlackWhiteGreen

11-30-2013, 07:27 PM

Paul Pierce was btter last season when Rondo went down.

And when it really mattered, Pierce averaged 5 TO a game and was outscored by Jeff Green. Pierce and Garnett could produce without Rondo, but nowhere near as effectively or efficiently.

Rondo got hurt last year in january. Look into what they did after he left.

Barely any difference. Pierce went from shooting under 40% in January to 20/7/6 on 50% shooting by march....but really...nothing to suggest rondo was making them do anything they otherwise couldnt.

Pierce had a resurgence then stunk it up in the playoffs against that all-world NYK defence. Are people just in a coma during the playoffs?

PP34Deuce

11-30-2013, 08:47 PM

Rondo produces regardless.

If you give him shooters, and athletes in transition he is still giving you 9-11 assists. Mix in 5-6 rebounds and 11-15 PPG and you have your top 7 PG.

Rondos main issue with me was his lack of consistent D. he can be so much better defensively than he is.

Xover

03-05-2014, 09:57 AM

This needed a bump.

Rondo produces regardless.

If you give him shooters, and athletes in transition he is still giving you 9-11 assists. Mix in 5-6 rebounds and 11-15 PPG and you have your top 7 PG.

Rondos main issue with me was his lack of consistent D. he can be so much better defensively than he is.

Well said my man.

Even coming off the injury and with a sub-par team Rondo is still delivering (no pun intended).

Real Men Wear Green

03-05-2014, 10:04 AM

The idea that Rondo only got assists because of the big three was always dumb. What I disagreed with (and still do) is the idea that Rondo was carrying Pierce and KG. These are all players that would be having great careers regardless of their teammates, Pierce and KG have just gotten old.

salwan

03-05-2014, 10:11 AM

GOAT :bowdown:

Kiddlovesnets

03-05-2014, 10:40 AM

I consider him a top 5 PG, but I do not appreciate him. Still remember how he quit on his team when his teammates needed him the most. KG/PP took a depleted Celtics team to playoffs, they were the true heroes.

Real Men Wear Green

03-05-2014, 10:43 AM

CelticBaller

03-05-2014, 11:21 AM

What are you talking about? Quit on his team?
Ignore the idiot

Kiddlovesnets

03-05-2014, 11:28 AM

What are you talking about? Quit on his team?

He had that season-ending injury out of nowhere, to my knowledge it did not happen in an actual regular season game.
:rolleyes:

Doctor Jay

03-05-2014, 11:41 AM

Since 2010? Definitely.

you are out of your mind - rondo wouldn't have won these playoff series without KG and PP, on the other hand those two players would rip most eastern conference teams throughout these years with ease without rondo. Rondo is a A+ PG when healthy but he lacks shooting ability to carry a team on his own

Yao Ming's Foot

03-05-2014, 11:44 AM

He's been on the trading block for years now. Of course not. It's like Pau Gasol for the Lakers. Except Rondo is still actually a good player and nobody cries for him.

MMM

03-05-2014, 11:46 AM

He had that season-ending injury out of nowhere, to my knowledge it did not happen in an actual regular season game.
:rolleyes:

Wtf are u talking about
Rondo got hurt in OT of the ATL game.
He finished that game but wasn't aware how badly hurt he was.
He even wanted to play vs. The Heat the following game but the trainers discovered the extent of his injury just prior to the game.

MMM

03-05-2014, 11:52 AM

Pierce and Garnett are hall of famers. Are you implying they needed Rondo to produce?

Rondo made their lives a lot easier and were able to extend their prine/post prime production. If they had Rondo last season than Pierce and KG are fresher going into the post season, especially Pierce who picked up a lot of the play making responsibility.

CelticBaller

03-05-2014, 11:57 AM

He had that season-ending injury out of nowhere, to my knowledge it did not happen in an actual regular season game.
:rolleyes:
wtf he did have his season injury during the regular season idiot, he also missed his only all star start, Rondo wanted to come back in the playoffs but the celtics didn't let him for the sake of his knee

mans1ay3r

03-05-2014, 11:57 AM

He had that season-ending injury out of nowhere, to my knowledge it did not happen in an actual regular season game.
:rolleyes:
:biggums:

Why say "Still remember how he quit on his team" if you obviously don't remember what happened in the slightest? The injury happened in-game against Atlanta (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umR09hdmVHc)however "torn ACL, out for the season" was announced to the public during the Heat-Celtics game. So many viewers, I assume you included, heard about Rondo's injury but didn't actually see it, then turn around and say he quit on his team. :facepalm

Nick Young

03-05-2014, 11:59 AM

Scrubjon Scrubdo:roll: :roll: :roll:

navy

03-05-2014, 12:00 PM

that all-world NYK defence. Are people just in a coma during the playoffs?
Iman Shumpert is an elite defender 1 on 1 defender.

ProfessorMurder

03-05-2014, 12:00 PM

Tears an ACL and finishes the game with a triple double, then suits up and warms up for the next game... Quit on team. F*cking idiot.

CelticBaller

03-05-2014, 12:01 PM

you are out of your mind - rondo wouldn't have won these playoff series without KG and PP, on the other hand those two players would rip most eastern conference teams throughout these years with ease without rondo. Rondo is a A+ PG when healthy but he lacks shooting ability to carry a team on his own
Look at last years playoffs, those guys couldn't even play effectively for 20 mins, Rondo was always their engine. The year before they went to the ECF and same team without Rondo they got bounced by the m****ing Knicks the year after

navy

03-05-2014, 12:01 PM

CelticBaller

03-05-2014, 12:02 PM

Scrubjon Scrubdo:roll: :roll: :roll:
lollakers

Beta team

Doctor Jay

03-05-2014, 12:05 PM

Look at last years playoffs, those guys couldn't even play effectively for 20 mins, Rondo was always their engine. The year before they went to the ECF and the same team without Rondo the got bounced by the m****ing Knicks the year after

2013 is not 2008, five years after the championship, they wouldn't have if KG didn't join them. Or would Rondo get a ring with perkins and scalabrine

ProfessorMurder

03-05-2014, 12:06 PM

I never had a problem with his defense previously. This year he is terrible.

They have no interior defense. They're starting Bass and Humphries together, and Bradley's been out. He's played with KG at his back for years, probably used to it + he still hasn't even played 20 games.

ProfessorMurder

03-05-2014, 12:06 PM

2013 is not 2008, five years after the championship, they wouldn't have if KG didn't join them. Or would Rondo get a ring with perkins and scalabrine

Nobody is saying anything like that.

CelticBaller

03-05-2014, 12:09 PM

2013 is not 2008
No shit, nobody is arguing that, but since 2010 and onward Rondo has kept this team running, fvck the whole team used to say that all the time :facepalm

Doctor Jay

03-05-2014, 12:12 PM

No shit, nobody is arguing that, but since 2010 and onward Rondo has kept this team running, fvck the whole team used to say that all the time :facepalm

that's true but all I'm saying is that the combination of KG/PP is way more valuable than PP/Rondo. I could see a multiyear contender in the celtics with a rondo lead team, jeff green and one of the golden boys in this years draft - gonna be long ass years for us knickerbockers...

mans1ay3r

03-05-2014, 12:13 PM

I never had a problem with his defense previously. This year he is terrible.
This year he is terrible? This year as in 2014? As in hasn't played in a year and coming off a torn ACL terrible? As in has only played for a few weeks terrible? As in- ah nvm.. I barely post in this forum and in one thread I'm quickly realizing why again.

navy

03-05-2014, 12:18 PM

CelticBaller

03-05-2014, 12:21 PM

Coming off an ACL is no excuse to be terrible on defense. No effort, no IQ.
Because quickness and footwork have nothing to with defense

Nick Young

03-05-2014, 12:22 PM

This year he is terrible? This year as in 2014? As in hasn't played in a year and coming off a torn ACL terrible? As in has only played for a few weeks terrible? As in- ah nvm.. I barely post in this forum and in one thread I'm quickly realizing why again.
He is terrible because he doesn't have 3 of the greatest shooters of all time to pass to on the perimeter, giving him space to penetrate and turning his sideways passes to Ray Allen, Paul Pierce or Kevin Garnett who take and make contested shots into 'Assists' for Rondo.

Rondo is a good opportunist but that's it. He will accomplish nothing for the rest of his career unless he gets 3 more HOF level shooters to play next to him.

Definition of overrated, there's a reason this scrub can't get on to team USA and no team is trading for him despite him being on the trading block for years.

Scrubjon Scrubdo is basically the Tayshaun Prince of PGs. He will never lead a team anywhere, but he will perform amazingly as the 4th best player on your team.

It's only a matter of time before Boston fans turn on Scrubdo like they turn on ALL of their great players. It's only gonna be another 5-7 years before we hear them giving MVP chants for Lakers players again XD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsXPZVPIjxE

Boston sports fans are the most ungrateful and disloyal in the world.

navy

03-05-2014, 12:25 PM

Because quickness and footwork have nothing to with defense
I said terrible, not mediocre. His speed is still decent. Lookin like a matador out there.

CelticBaller

03-05-2014, 12:28 PM

Rondo is still putting up +10 +8 +4 without the 3 hall of famers

But what would a fan of a 2nd place team know

ballup

03-05-2014, 01:17 PM

Nope. People still think that that after the end of the 08-09 season, Rondo got carried by declining players. With more PGs rising to stardom, Rondo hype gets lost in the mix.

Rolando

03-05-2014, 01:40 PM

Coming off an ACL is no excuse to be terrible on defense. No effort, no IQ.

:applause: No IQ :applause: :roll: :roll:

BlackWhiteGreen

03-05-2014, 01:42 PM

He is terrible because he doesn't have 3 of the greatest shooters of all time to pass to on the perimeter, giving him space to penetrate and turning his sideways passes to Ray Allen, Paul Pierce or Kevin Garnett who take and make contested shots into 'Assists' for Rondo.

Rondo is a good opportunist but that's it. He will accomplish nothing for the rest of his career unless he gets 3 more HOF level shooters to play next to him.

Definition of overrated, there's a reason this scrub can't get on to team USA and no team is trading for him despite him being on the trading block for years.

Scrubjon Scrubdo is basically the Tayshaun Prince of PGs. He will never lead a team anywhere, but he will perform amazingly as the 4th best player on your team.

It's only a matter of time before Boston fans turn on Scrubdo like they turn on ALL of their great players. It's only gonna be another 5-7 years before we hear them giving MVP chants for Lakers players again XD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsXPZVPIjxE

Boston sports fans are the most ungrateful and disloyal in the world.

You used to be a good troll, what happened to you