Michael Jordan vs Muhammad Ali

[jstern]

Who is the greatest?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_uOtAkEf6U

[O_City_Thunder]

Lebron

[kamil]

Lebron

http://mavsmag.com/redirk/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/photo-1-500x373.jpg

[plowking]

Ali isn't a consensus pick for greatest boxer, in fact, I'm not sure he'd have majority vote if you polled all hardcore boxing fans.

Jordan on the other hand is probably a 90-95% first pick with hardcore basketball fans.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Ali is not even considered the greatest boxer ever. Sugar Ray Robinson is.

[Magic 32]

Who is the greatest?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_uOtAkEf6U

MJ is Ali, Joe Louis, SRR and Jack Johnson all rolled into one

[L.Kizzle]

Ali isn't a consensus pick for greatest boxer, in fact, I'm not sure he'd have majority vote if you polled all hardcore boxing fans.

Jordan on the other hand is probably a 90-95% first pick with hardcore basketball fans.
No he's not, not with hardcore fans, with the average Joe, sure.

The average Joe doesn't know who Bill Russell is, just like the average Joe doesn't know who Sugar Ray Robinson is.

So you'll get Jordan and Clay as being the greatest out of their respective sports.

[KOBE143]

Kobe is greater than both combined and he's more handsome.. :D

[iTare]

Jordan.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

But I guess the comparison can still be made since even though Ali is not the GOAT, boxing has a much richer history than Basketball. Someone like FLoyd Mayweather Jr. Who has dominated for 15 years, gone undefeated, would be a borderline top 30 fighter all time to most hardcore fans.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Here's a top 100 list from a boxing forum:

01 - Sam Langford
02 - Harry Greb
03 - Sugar Ray Robinson
04 - Henry Armstrong
05 - Ezzard Charles
06 - Bob Fitzsimmons
07 - Muhammad Ali
08 - Joe Gans
09 - Joe Louis
10 - Roberto Duran.
11 - Benny Leonard
12 - Mickey Walker
13 - Willie Pep
14 - Barney Ross
15 - Archie Moore
16 - Ray Leonard
17 - George Dixon
18 - Terry McGovern
19 - Packey McFarland
20 - Pernell Whitaker
21 - Tony Canzoneri
22 - Jimmy McLarnin
23 - Sandy Saddler
24 - Stanley Ketchel
25 - Charley Burley
26 - Holman Williams
27 - Billy Conn
28 - Gene Tunney
29 - Roy Jones
30 - Joe Walcott
31 - Carlos Monzon
32 - Jimmy Wilde
33 - Eder Jofre
34 - Marvin Hagler
35 - Julio Cesar Chavez
36 - Tommy Gibbons
37 - Kid Gavilan
38 - Jack Britton
39 - Emile Griffith
40 - Jose Napoles
41 - Alexis Arguello
42 - Michael Spinks
43 - Tommy Loughran
44 - Thomas Hearns
45 - Jimmy Bivins
46 - Ike Williams
47 - Floyd Mayweather
48 - Manny Pacquiao
49 - Tommy Ryan
50 - Jack Dillon
51 - Bernard Hopkins
52 - Carlos Ortiz
53 - Fighting Harada
54 - Ruben Olivares
55 – Evander Holyfield
56 - Young Corbett III
57 - Mike Gibbons
58 – Ted Kid Lewis
59 - Freddie Welsh
60 - Freddie Steele
61 - Lou Ambers
62 - Salvador Sanchez
63 - Wilfredo Gomez
64 - Vicente Saldivar
65 - Rocky Marciano
66 - Abe Attell
67 - Manuel Ortiz
68 - Harold Johnson
69 - Dick Tiger
70 - Luis Manuel Rodriguez
71 - Carmen Basilio
72 - Carlos Zarate
73 - Miguel Canto
74 - Oscar De La Hoya
75 - Azumah Nelson
76 - Mike McCallum
77 - Lary Holmes
78 - Bob Foster
79 - Teddy Yarosz
80 - Jim Driscoll
81 - Panama Al Brown
82 - Pascual Perez
83 - Lloyd Marshall
84 – Jake LaMotta
85 - Juan Manuel Marquez
86 – Wilfred Benitez
87 – Nonpareil Jack Dempsey
88 – Erik Morales
89 – Marco Antonio Barrera
90 - Young Griffo
91 - Fritzie Zivic
92 - Joe Frazier
93 - Pete Herman
94 - Lennox Lewis
95 - Jack "Kid" Berg
96 - Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
97 - James Toney
98 - Nicolino Locche
99 - Jung Koo Chang
100 - George Foreman

[Fawker]

LeBron will go down as better than those 2. But the grown folk will always talk about character.

[iTare]

[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]Here's a top 100 list from a boxing forum:

01 - Sam Langford
02 - Harry Greb
03 - Sugar Ray Robinson
04 - Henry Armstrong
05 - Ezzard Charles
06 - Bob Fitzsimmons
07 - Muhammad Ali
08 - Joe Gans
09 - Joe Louis
10 - Roberto Duran.
11 - Benny Leonard
12 - Mickey Walker
13 - Willie Pep
14 - Barney Ross
15 - Archie Moore
16 - Ray Leonard
17 - George Dixon
18 - Terry McGovern
19 - Packey McFarland
20 - Pernell Whitaker
21 - Tony Canzoneri
22 - Jimmy McLarnin
23 - Sandy Saddler
24 - Stanley Ketchel
25 - Charley Burley
26 - Holman Williams
27 - Billy Conn
28 - Gene Tunney
29 - Roy Jones
30 - Joe Walcott
31 - Carlos Monzon
32 - Jimmy Wilde
33 - Eder Jofre
34 - Marvin Hagler
35 - Julio Cesar Chavez
36 - Tommy Gibbons
37 - Kid Gavilan
38 - Jack Britton
39 - Emile Griffith
40 - Jose Napoles
41 - Alexis Arguello
42 - Michael Spinks
43 - Tommy Loughran
44 - Thomas Hearns
45 - Jimmy Bivins
46 - Ike Williams
47 - Floyd Mayweather
48 - Manny Pacquiao
49 - Tommy Ryan
50 - Jack Dillon
51 - Bernard Hopkins
52 - Carlos Ortiz
53 - Fighting Harada
54 - Ruben Olivares
55

[L.Kizzle]

[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]Here's a top 100 list from a boxing forum:

01 - Sam Langford
02 - Harry Greb
03 - Sugar Ray Robinson
04 - Henry Armstrong
05 - Ezzard Charles
06 - Bob Fitzsimmons
07 - Muhammad Ali
08 - Joe Gans
09 - Joe Louis
10 - Roberto Duran.
11 - Benny Leonard
12 - Mickey Walker
13 - Willie Pep
14 - Barney Ross
15 - Archie Moore
16 - Ray Leonard
17 - George Dixon
18 - Terry McGovern
19 - Packey McFarland
20 - Pernell Whitaker
21 - Tony Canzoneri
22 - Jimmy McLarnin
23 - Sandy Saddler
24 - Stanley Ketchel
25 - Charley Burley
26 - Holman Williams
27 - Billy Conn
28 - Gene Tunney
29 - Roy Jones
30 - Joe Walcott
31 - Carlos Monzon
32 - Jimmy Wilde
33 - Eder Jofre
34 - Marvin Hagler
35 - Julio Cesar Chavez
36 - Tommy Gibbons
37 - Kid Gavilan
38 - Jack Britton
39 - Emile Griffith
40 - Jose Napoles
41 - Alexis Arguello
42 - Michael Spinks
43 - Tommy Loughran
44 - Thomas Hearns
45 - Jimmy Bivins
46 - Ike Williams
47 - Floyd Mayweather
48 - Manny Pacquiao
49 - Tommy Ryan
50 - Jack Dillon
51 - Bernard Hopkins
52 - Carlos Ortiz
53 - Fighting Harada
54 - Ruben Olivares
55

[RoundMoundOfReb]

That list is all wrong.
Not saying I agree with it just pointing out that almost no hardcore boxing fan puts Ali #1.

You can read his explanations here if you want:
http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=459918

[RoundMoundOfReb]

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Wille Pep
4. Joe Louis
5. Harry Greb
6. Benny Leonard
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Roberto Duran
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Jack Johnson
11. Mickey Walker
12. Tony Canzoneri
13. Gene Tunney
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Joe Gans
16. Sam Langford
17. Julio Cesar Chavez
18. Jimmy Wilde
19. Stanley Ketchel
20 Barney Ross
21, Jimmy McLarnin
22. Archie Moore
23. Marcel Cerdan
24. Ezzard Charles
25. Sugar Ray Leonard
26. Joe Walcott (The original)
27. Jake LaMotta
28. Eder Jofre
29. Emile Griffith
30. Terry McGovern
31. George Foreman
32. Johnny Dundee
33. Jose Napoles
34. Pascual Perez
35. Billy Conn
36. Ruben Olivares
37. Joe Frazier
38. Tommy Loughran
39. Sandy Saddler
40. Kid Chocolate
41. Abe Attell
42. Evander Holyfield
43. George Dixon
44. Maxie Rosenbloom
45. Larry Holmes
46. Ted "Kid" Lewis
47. Marvin Hagler
48. Pernell Whitaker
49. Carlos Zarate
50. Thomas Hearns
51. Battling Nelson
52. Beau Jack
53. Ricardo ;Lopez
54. John L. Sullivan
55. Carlos Monzon
56. Alexis Arguello
57. Carmen Basillio
58. Pete Herman
59. Charley Burley
60. Ike Williams
61. Kid Gavilan
62. Jack Britton
63. Dick Tiger
64. Pancho Villa
65. Panama Al Brown
66. Bob Fitszimmons
67. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
68. Tiger Flowers
69. James J.Corbett
70. Tony Zale
71. Tommy Ryan
72. Georges Carpentier
73, Sonny Liston
74. "Kid" McCoy
75. Bob Foster
76. Freddie Welsh
77. Joe Jeanette
78. Jim Driscoll
79. Jersey Joe Walcott
80. Peter Jackson
81. Ad Wolgast
82. Jack Dempsey (The Nonpareil)
83. Manuel Ortiz
84. James J. Jeffries
85. Salvador Sanchez
86. Jimmy Barry
87. Carlos Ortiz
88. Roy Jones Jr.
89. Wilfredo Gomez
90. Aaron Pryor
91. Bernard Hopkins
92. Mike Gibbons
93. Jack Delaney
94. Johnny Kilbane
95. Willie Ritchie
96. Wilfredo Benitez
97. Packey McFarland
98. Rocky Graziano
99. Lew Jenkins
100. Mike Tyson


Bert Sugar's list. A few years old now. Notice Ali not close to #1.

[jstern]

[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]Here's a top 100 list from a boxing forum:

01 - Sam Langford
02 - Harry Greb
03 - Sugar Ray Robinson
04 - Henry Armstrong
05 - Ezzard Charles
06 - Bob Fitzsimmons
07 - Muhammad Ali
08 - Joe Gans
09 - Joe Louis
10 - Roberto Duran.
11 - Benny Leonard
12 - Mickey Walker
13 - Willie Pep
14 - Barney Ross
15 - Archie Moore
16 - Ray Leonard
17 - George Dixon
18 - Terry McGovern
19 - Packey McFarland
20 - Pernell Whitaker
21 - Tony Canzoneri
22 - Jimmy McLarnin
23 - Sandy Saddler
24 - Stanley Ketchel
25 - Charley Burley
26 - Holman Williams
27 - Billy Conn
28 - Gene Tunney
29 - Roy Jones
30 - Joe Walcott
31 - Carlos Monzon
32 - Jimmy Wilde
33 - Eder Jofre
34 - Marvin Hagler
35 - Julio Cesar Chavez
36 - Tommy Gibbons
37 - Kid Gavilan
38 - Jack Britton
39 - Emile Griffith
40 - Jose Napoles
41 - Alexis Arguello
42 - Michael Spinks
43 - Tommy Loughran
44 - Thomas Hearns
45 - Jimmy Bivins
46 - Ike Williams
47 - Floyd Mayweather
48 - Manny Pacquiao
49 - Tommy Ryan
50 - Jack Dillon
51 - Bernard Hopkins
52 - Carlos Ortiz
53 - Fighting Harada
54 - Ruben Olivares
55

[Fawker]

100 Memorable Basketball players can be compiled more than 100 Boxers

[inclinerator]

mike tyson at 100 not sheriff srs

[RoundMoundOfReb]

No Mike Tyson?
Mike Tyson is more of a popular figure than a great boxer. He could've been and prime for prime he's up there but in terms of resume he's not. Wasted a large portion of his prime in prison.

[L.Kizzle]

No Mike Tyson?
He barley made he list at 100. They underrate Tyson greatly. He wasn't the youngest Heavyweight champ for nothing.

[Fawker]

The **** that list mean? 100 Ali's dont beat 100 Jordans.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

The **** that list mean? 100 Ali's dont beat 100 Jordans.
The notion that Ali is the GOAT boxer is false.

[Fawker]

Mike Tyson is more of a popular figure than a great boxer. He could've been and prime for prime he's up there but in terms of resume he's not. Wasted a large portion of his prime in prison.
Tyson would **** Ali up.

[jstern]

Mike Tyson is more of a popular figure than a great boxer. He could've been and prime for prime he's up there but in terms of resume he's not. Wasted a large portion of his prime in prison.

But not even in the top 100 in the list that I quoted, and number 100 in another list after?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Tyson would **** Ali up.
He wouldn't but that is irrelevant to all-time great rankings since Ali's resume shits on Tyson's.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

But not even in the top 100 in the list that I quoted, and number 100 in another list after?
More what "could've been" than "what was" with him.

[L.Kizzle]

The notion that Ali is the GOAT boxer is false.
Most well known boxer, basically equals the GOAT in the average Joe's mind.

[iTare]

Not saying I agree with it just pointing out that almost no hardcore boxing fan puts Ali #1.

You can read his explanations here if you want:
http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=459918
Yeah I know I was just pointing it out. I personally don't have Ali in my top 3.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Most well known boxer, basically equals the GOAT in the average Joe's mind.
True. Much like most average Joes don't even know who Bill Russell is even though he has a great case for GOAT.

[iTare]

True. Much like most average Joes don't even know who Bill Russell is even though he has a great case for GOAT.
Last week I was having a conversation with a friend and he told me that MJ is the GOAT for the simple fact that he has the most rings in the history of the NBA. :facepalm

[BIZARRO]

No he's not, not with hardcore fans, with the average Joe, sure.

The average Joe doesn't know who Bill Russell is, just like the average Joe doesn't know who Sugar Ray Robinson is.

So you'll get Jordan and Clay as being the greatest out of their respective sports.


No way.

MJ is considered the greatest in his psort by most, and Ali is not considered the greatest in his sport by most.


MJ is considered by about 90-95% (a good estimate) as the best by fans who know more about the game. He is the Michael Jordan of basketball, just like every athlete considered the best in their field is the Michael Jordan of their sport.

Almost every list by sportswriters has Jordan #1.
To prove it, just googled "best basketball player ever list".

In order, FoxSports, Slam Magazine, Bleacher Report, The Top Tens List, Ranker, Bill Simmons, Squidoo, HoopsManifesto, Inside Hoops, IMDB, all have Jordan number 1 before anyone says otherwise.
Regardless about what you think of the publications, they are publications, and that is an incredible show of Jordan's dominance.
You have to go all the way to page 3 of Google before anyone says anything to the contrary, and then the Jordan publications start all over again, SportsCity, etc. and so on.


Whereas as Ali is considered by very few to be the best boxer ever by boxing fans in the know. Perhaps like 10-15% would say Ali fi that. I'd say 60-70% would say Sugar Ray Robinson. And then you'd get some Willie Pep, Henry Armstrong people as well.

If you google "best boxer ever list", Boxing-About (Sugar Ray R. #1), Hubpages (Joe Louis #1), ESPN (Sugar Ray #1), Bleacher Report (Sugar Ray R. #1), The Top Tens (Manny Pacquiao #1?) Boxing (Sam Langford #1), it's a long way down as you can see before anyone Ranker says Ali.

If anyone has a case to be the Michael Jordan of boxing it's Sugar Ray Robinson, but the whole point is that there isn't one. Very few sports (though there are some) have a figure who will make #1 on almost every list.


And that is why he is Michael Jordan.

He is the Michael Jordan of being Michael Jordan.

[FKAri]

He barley made he list at 100. They underrate Tyson greatly. He wasn't the youngest Heavyweight champ for nothing.

http://www.hillsborough-nj.org/Images/final%20tomato%20can.JPG

As per video: ofc Ali.

[jstern]

No comments on the video?

[Marchesk]

Last week I was having a conversation with a friend and he told me that MJ is the GOAT for the simple fact that he has the most rings in the history of the NBA. :facepalm

He doesn't even know about Horry?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Last week I was having a conversation with a friend and he told me that MJ is the GOAT for the simple fact that he has the most rings in the history of the NBA. :facepalm
:facepalm

[iTare]

He doesn't even know about Horry?
He doesn't know about anything...

[moey-]

Some people know absolutely nothing outside of the United States.

Do me a favour and google Sir Donald Bradman, then come back to me and have this debate.

Bradman>daylight>Jordan

[jstern]

He doesn't know about anything...
That's why you have to only consider the opinions of expert, professionals who follow the sports and who the majority of these experts have as their number one on their list, and not random casual fans.


Some people know absolutely nothing outside of the United States.

Do me a favour and google Sir Donald Bradman, then come back to me and have this debate.

Bradman>daylight>Jordan


It's always interesting to come across other GOATs from other sports. Even if I have no idea who they are.

[iTare]

That's why you have to only consider the opinions of expert, professionals who follow the sports and who the majority of these experts have as their number one on their list, and not random casual fans.
Very true. Just like when you ask a casual person what the best beer is they'll say something like 'Bud Light' or a well known beer.

[Sarcastic]

Some people know absolutely nothing outside of the United States.

Do me a favour and google Sir Donald Bradman, then come back to me and have this debate.

Bradman>daylight>Jordan


Shit sports like cricket don't count when debating the GOAT athlete, especially sports in which 99.999% of the world's population don't even know the rules or how to play.

[KyleKong]

Ali is not even considered the greatest boxer ever. Sugar Ray Robinson is.

No.

[AirFederer]

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Wille Pep
4. Joe Louis
5. Harry Greb
6. Benny Leonard
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Roberto Duran
9. Jack Dempsey
10. Jack Johnson
11. Mickey Walker
12. Tony Canzoneri
13. Gene Tunney
14. Rocky Marciano
15. Joe Gans
16. Sam Langford
17. Julio Cesar Chavez
18. Jimmy Wilde
19. Stanley Ketchel
20 Barney Ross
21, Jimmy McLarnin
22. Archie Moore
23. Marcel Cerdan
24. Ezzard Charles
25. Sugar Ray Leonard
26. Joe Walcott (The original)
27. Jake LaMotta
28. Eder Jofre
29. Emile Griffith
30. Terry McGovern
31. George Foreman
32. Johnny Dundee
33. Jose Napoles
34. Pascual Perez
35. Billy Conn
36. Ruben Olivares
37. Joe Frazier
38. Tommy Loughran
39. Sandy Saddler
40. Kid Chocolate
41. Abe Attell
42. Evander Holyfield
43. George Dixon
44. Maxie Rosenbloom
45. Larry Holmes
46. Ted "Kid" Lewis
47. Marvin Hagler
48. Pernell Whitaker
49. Carlos Zarate
50. Thomas Hearns
51. Battling Nelson
52. Beau Jack
53. Ricardo ;Lopez
54. John L. Sullivan
55. Carlos Monzon
56. Alexis Arguello
57. Carmen Basillio
58. Pete Herman
59. Charley Burley
60. Ike Williams
61. Kid Gavilan
62. Jack Britton
63. Dick Tiger
64. Pancho Villa
65. Panama Al Brown
66. Bob Fitszimmons
67. Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
68. Tiger Flowers
69. James J.Corbett
70. Tony Zale
71. Tommy Ryan
72. Georges Carpentier
73, Sonny Liston
74. "Kid" McCoy
75. Bob Foster
76. Freddie Welsh
77. Joe Jeanette
78. Jim Driscoll
79. Jersey Joe Walcott
80. Peter Jackson
81. Ad Wolgast
82. Jack Dempsey (The Nonpareil)
83. Manuel Ortiz
84. James J. Jeffries
85. Salvador Sanchez
86. Jimmy Barry
87. Carlos Ortiz
88. Roy Jones Jr.
89. Wilfredo Gomez
90. Aaron Pryor
91. Bernard Hopkins
92. Mike Gibbons
93. Jack Delaney
94. Johnny Kilbane
95. Willie Ritchie
96. Wilfredo Benitez
97. Packey McFarland
98. Rocky Graziano
99. Lew Jenkins
100. Mike Tyson


Bert Sugar's list. A few years old now. Notice Ali not close to #1.

How can Tyson be #100 the way he dominated? :facepalm

MJ and Ali are both icons larger than life. MJ best at his sport imho, Ali the greatest icon in my eyes - he did something for others, in a way Mike never did. And I love me some MJ.

[plowking]

No he's not, not with hardcore fans, with the average Joe, sure.

The average Joe doesn't know who Bill Russell is, just like the average Joe doesn't know who Sugar Ray Robinson is.

So you'll get Jordan and Clay as being the greatest out of their respective sports.

Nah, you're flat out wrong.

Most people on here are hardcore basketball fans. If we were to do a survey, 90% of them would say Jordan, excluding a couple delusional Laker fans saying Magic, and people like yourself, who choose to have unpopular opinions for the sake of it.

Michael at the end of the day, had the best combination of individual dominance, team success, stats, etc, and is considered by most to be the GOAT. Every single basketball show/podcast/discussion merits him as so. That isn't the case for boxing. Jordan has an assumed position at number 1 even before a discussion among basketball fans start, and that isn't the case with boxing.

[plowking]

Shit sports like cricket don't count when debating the GOAT athlete, especially sports in which 99.999% of the world's population don't even know the rules or how to play.

Well cricket is actually one of the most popular sports in the world statistically. I personally don't like it, but it is one of the most globally played sports.

[FKAri]

Well cricket is actually one of the most popular sports in the world statistically. I personally don't like it, but it is one of the most globally played sports.

I hate cricket and can't stand watching it but it is objectively better than baseball.

[moey-]

Shit sports like cricket don't count when debating the GOAT athlete, especially sports in which 99.999% of the world's population don't even know the rules or how to play.

You idiot. Cricket is top 3 most popular sports in the world.

[Sarcastic]

You idiot. Cricket is top 3 most popular sports in the world.


Yea because of 1 country, India.


Mahjong is one of the most popular board games because it's played in China, but that doesn't mean most people in the world know how to play it.

[iTare]

Yea because of 1 country, India.


Mahjong is one of the most popular board games because it's played in China, but that doesn't mean most people in the world know how to play it.
Indians and Chinese are people though.

[jlip]

MJ is 6-0 in the Finals. What is Muhammad Ali's record in the Finals?

BTW...The video in the OP was...meh.

[K Xerxes]

Yea because of 1 country, India.

Only one country plays American Football... only like a couple more play baseball. Does that mean it doesn't count?

Besides, England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies all play cricket professionally. Just because you don't like cricket or think it's boring/pointless doesn't mean it doesn't count.

[jstern]

You idiot. Cricket is top 3 most popular sports in the world.
He was being Sarcastic. Jk.


MJ is 6-0 in the Finals. What is Muhammad Ali's record in the Finals?

BTW...The video in the OP was...meh.

It had a couple of funny lines. Like the Jordan Hitler mustache, and the Muhammad Ali double dribbling invisible basketballs.

[travelingman]

Yea because of 1 country, India.


Mahjong is one of the most popular board games because it's played in China, but that doesn't mean most people in the world know how to play it.

And because of Pakistan and Bangladesh. You really had to retract your previous point about it being a "shit sport" that 99.999% of the world's population does not play. So now you've regressed to the "awww man its just one country" argument. Oh brother.

[Project018]

That list is horrible and the disrespect for Mayweather on those rankings :facepalm

[theaussieguy]

The reality is all these lists of GOAT are a joke. Its a highly immature and almost childish approach that doesn't face the reality that the difference between some of these goats is just luck. What a waste of time smh.

On the other hand Im all about comparing things like who has had the most decorated career? Who was the best jump shooter? Who has the best shooting percentagees from a certain range from the basket? You get the point, the greatest of all time discussion is just far to vague. Now grow up u petulant kunts

[Legends66NBA7]

Shit sports like cricket don't count when debating the GOAT athlete, especially sports in which 99.999% of the world's population don't even know the rules or how to play.


Yea because of 1 country, India.


Mahjong is one of the most popular board games because it's played in China, but that doesn't mean most people in the world know how to play it.

Two of the worst arguments and counter argument on speaking about the knowledge of playing Cricket.

[Sarcastic]

Only one country plays American Football... only like a couple more play baseball. Does that mean it doesn't count?

Besides, England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies all play cricket professionally. Just because you don't like cricket or think it's boring/pointless doesn't mean it doesn't count.


And how many American Football players are considered GOAT athlete?

[Sarcastic]

Obviously I didn't mean literally when I made the "99.999%" comment. I figured that with my handle, and the outlandish number I chose, that some people would have figured I was speaking figuratively.


I guess I gave too many people too much credit. :facepalm

[Legends66NBA7]

Obviously I didn't mean literally when I made the "99.999%" comment. I figured that with my handle, and the outlandish number I chose, that some people would have figured I was speaking figuratively.


I guess I gave too many people too much credit. :facepalm

So, was the 1 country this figurative too ?

I don't really see what your point is or is it just trolling the sport of Cricket ?

[fragokota]

Classic "only American" boxing list(that shows how ignorant people may be).I can't beleive they haven't included this guy in:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Te%C3%B3filo_Stevenson

[Fresh Kid]

I give the edge to Michael Jordan on this one.

[Sarcastic]

So, was the 1 country this figurative too ?

I don't really see what your point is or is it just trolling the sport of Cricket ?


Yup it was. Sorry it's going by you that easily.



American Football athletes are among the best in the entire world, literally. Yet they get shunned out of GOAT athlete talk all the time, due to regionalization of the NFL. So if it's ok to do with NFL athletes, then I have no problem shunning cricket players, which is very regionalized as well.

[travelingman]

Yup it was. Sorry it's going by you that easily.

Rather, you are just failing to come to grips with and acknowledge your own ignorance on the subject. You weren't speaking figuratively. You were just speaking unintelligently. You are not fooling anyone. Just read the replies to your imprudent statement.

[K Xerxes]

American Football athletes are among the best in the entire world, literally. Yet they get shunned out of GOAT athlete talk all the time, due to regionalization of the NFL. So if it's ok to do with NFL athletes, then I have no problem shunning cricket players, which is very regionalized as well.

Are you blind?

I just gave you a list of countries outside India (some thousands of miles away) that play cricket at the top level. How can you still say it's regionalized?

England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies all play it, plus others. Regionalized? :lol

[k0kakw0rld]

Terrible list.
Sugar Ray Robinson is the greatest boxer of all time.

[Sarcastic]

Are you blind?

I just gave you a list of countries outside India (some thousands of miles away) that play cricket at the top level. How can you still say it's regionalized?

England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies all play it, plus others. Regionalized? :lol


Basically Britain and it's former colonies. It's not played in the rest of Europe, not played in North America, South America, Asia, Eastern Europe, Scandinavia, North Africa, etc.


It's a sport like baseball, high skill requirement with low athleticism, except baseball requires 100x (figuratively speaking) more athleticism than cricket. If we're gonna include sports like this, then Willie Mosconi is GOAT. His record of 526 consecutive shots in 14.1 straight billiards will never be touched, and he is the GOAT in his sport.

[KOBE143]

[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]Here's a top 100 list from a boxing forum:

01 - Sam Langford
02 - Harry Greb
03 - Sugar Ray Robinson
04 - Henry Armstrong
05 - Ezzard Charles
06 - Bob Fitzsimmons
07 - Muhammad Ali
08 - Joe Gans
09 - Joe Louis
10 - Roberto Duran.
11 - Benny Leonard
12 - Mickey Walker
13 - Willie Pep
14 - Barney Ross
15 - Archie Moore
16 - Ray Leonard
17 - George Dixon
18 - Terry McGovern
19 - Packey McFarland
20 - Pernell Whitaker
21 - Tony Canzoneri
22 - Jimmy McLarnin
23 - Sandy Saddler
24 - Stanley Ketchel
25 - Charley Burley
26 - Holman Williams
27 - Billy Conn
28 - Gene Tunney
29 - Roy Jones
30 - Joe Walcott
31 - Carlos Monzon
32 - Jimmy Wilde
33 - Eder Jofre
34 - Marvin Hagler
35 - Julio Cesar Chavez
36 - Tommy Gibbons
37 - Kid Gavilan
38 - Jack Britton
39 - Emile Griffith
40 - Jose Napoles
41 - Alexis Arguello
42 - Michael Spinks
43 - Tommy Loughran
44 - Thomas Hearns
45 - Jimmy Bivins
46 - Ike Williams
47 - Floyd Mayweather
48 - Manny Pacquiao
49 - Tommy Ryan
50 - Jack Dillon
51 - Bernard Hopkins
52 - Carlos Ortiz
53 - Fighting Harada
54 - Ruben Olivares
55

[moey-]

Obviously I didn't mean literally when I made the "99.999%" comment. I figured that with my handle, and the outlandish number I chose, that some people would have figured I was speaking figuratively.


I guess I gave too many people too much credit. :facepalm

Wow, look at this backtrack.

Just shut up and leave this thread. You've been found out.

[Legends66NBA7]

It's a sport like baseball, high skill requirement with low athleticism, except baseball requires 100x (figuratively speaking) more athleticism than cricket. If we're gonna include sports like this, then Willie Mosconi is GOAT. His record of 526 consecutive shots in 14.1 straight billiards will never be touched, and he is the GOAT in his sport.

Where the hell do you see it saying GOAT athlete ?

The OP just says "Who is the greatest ?"... Says nothing about "GOAT athlete". It's probably just talking about greatest players among each sport.

By all means, Willie Mosconi is GOAT, I don't really care. It's all subjective anyways. Only you seem to have a problem with Cricket for whatever reason.

[Straight_Ballin]

[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]Here's a top 100 list from a boxing forum:

01 - Sam Langford
02 - Harry Greb
03 - Sugar Ray Robinson
04 - Henry Armstrong
05 - Ezzard Charles
06 - Bob Fitzsimmons
07 - Muhammad Ali
08 - Joe Gans
09 - Joe Louis
10 - Roberto Duran.
11 - Benny Leonard
12 - Mickey Walker
13 - Willie Pep
14 - Barney Ross
15 - Archie Moore
16 - Ray Leonard
17 - George Dixon
18 - Terry McGovern
19 - Packey McFarland
20 - Pernell Whitaker
21 - Tony Canzoneri
22 - Jimmy McLarnin
23 - Sandy Saddler
24 - Stanley Ketchel
25 - Charley Burley
26 - Holman Williams
27 - Billy Conn
28 - Gene Tunney
29 - Roy Jones
30 - Joe Walcott
31 - Carlos Monzon
32 - Jimmy Wilde
33 - Eder Jofre
34 - Marvin Hagler
35 - Julio Cesar Chavez
36 - Tommy Gibbons
37 - Kid Gavilan
38 - Jack Britton
39 - Emile Griffith
40 - Jose Napoles
41 - Alexis Arguello
42 - Michael Spinks
43 - Tommy Loughran
44 - Thomas Hearns
45 - Jimmy Bivins
46 - Ike Williams
47 - Floyd Mayweather
48 - Manny Pacquiao
49 - Tommy Ryan
50 - Jack Dillon
51 - Bernard Hopkins
52 - Carlos Ortiz
53 - Fighting Harada
54 - Ruben Olivares
55

[VIntageNOvel]

tyson isnt on the list,
but there is de la hoya :roll: