D12 talking about lack of effort

[Mr Exlax]

This has been my only gripe with the Rockets this season. We don't try for shit. Offense takes time to gel. Effort should be there all the time. It's sad to see. Our lack of effort is why I don't think we're contenders. Not blaming one single person on my team, but it's just us as a whole. We gotta whip this shit in to shape. I blame McHale partially. Dwight shouldn't be the only one calling out players. Make them hoes accountable at least. Bench them for slacking.

Article: http://t.co/fDmlnfyhBQ



HOUSTON — From the moment the Rockets hit the free agent jackpot with Dwight Howard last summer and put him in the lineup with James Harden, there were always going to be questions about how they would put it all together and how long it might take.

Those questions were not supposed to be about how hard they would try.
“[Expletive] effort out there on defense and on offense,” said Howard. “The ball stuck … We didn’t move it and we can’t win that way.”

Bumps in the road over the course of the long regular season are to be expected, but the Rockets have now run head-long into a boulder of indifference as a 97-88 home loss to the Suns Wednesday night came on the heels of a virtual no-show trip to Utah on Monday.

“It had nothing to do with us missing shots,” Howard said. “They just played harder than us. It had nothing to do with the offensive game. They just played hard.

“We know what we [have to] do. It’s gotta be important for guys to come out and play the same way every night.”

The Rockets were shorthanded without Chandler Parsons (sore back), Jeremy Lin (sprained right knee), Omer Asik (right thigh contusion) and Greg Smith (sprained right knee). But neither Howard or coach Kevin McHale, who kept the locker room closed for 20 minutes after the game, would accept that out.

“You still have to play,” McHale said. “I don’t care who’s not there. You just [have to] go play and we didn’t play the right way.

“We didn’t move the ball. We didn’t move our bodies. They got up on us and started denying passes. We didn’t go backdoor. We didn’t drive all the scenes. When we did drive, we took wild shots…We did not play very good and that’s the bottom line.”

The Rockets were uninspired from the opening tip and never seemed able — or willing — to match the Suns energy or aggression and it was the fact that it was a virtual repeat of nonchalance that carried over from the loss to the Jazz that bothered Howard, who scored 15 points and grabbed 18 rebounds.

“We can’t give away games like this,” Howard said. “It will come back and bite us later on in the season. So we got to learn no matter how many guys we got out there, short-handed and all, we got to play the same way — play hard and play aggressive.

“It’s just [has to] be in you. You can’t coach it. You can’t draw up plays or anything like that. You just gotta have it.”

Howard would not reveal what the obviously distressed McHale told the team.
“We keep that between us,” said the All-Star center. “We know what we got to do. We don’t do it, we’re [going to] continue to lose.

“We got to learn when we’re down. We got to learn how to play when we got big leads. It’s something that we got to learn how to do. We got to get a good shot every time. Coming down and shooting quick shots is not always good, especially when you’re down. That gives a team like Phoenix an opportunity to run. That’s what they want to do. We played right into their hands tonight.”

It is only the second time this season that the Rockets have lost back-to-back games and, at 13-7, they are still the No. 5 seed in the Western Conference. So it was less a blaring alarm bell than a humming undercurrent reminder that a wannabe playoff contender needs more than summertime signings and headlines to turn into the real thing.

“It happens,” Howard said. “I told you guys a couple weeks ago the season is up and down. You go on runs. You have those games where you miss and you lose a couple of games. But the biggest thing is coming back the next game with a better effort and if not, then we got to take an ‘L’ for us to learn.”

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[GaryRaymond23]

D12 talking about lack of effort

Saw this thread Title - came in to post "Irony."

That's all.

[brownmamba00]

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That plumlee guy on the suns was blocking the shit out of him last nite. It's not effort you just suck.

[Mr Exlax]

The funniest thing is I think all 3 of you guys are Lakers fans right? Do any of you care to comment on the lack of effort we've shown all season though? Why would it be wrong for our best defender to talk about lack of effort? I don't know what you people expected out of Dwight in LA being that he came back early from back surgery. Couple that with not wanting to be there. I saw Shaq, Bynum and Gasol all quit while playing with Kobe more than a few times. Not saying that it was right for them to do it, but I kinda sorta understand why they all did. Dwight just kinda quit/injuries all damn season though lol.

[BlackVVaves]

Harden chucking up 10 threes last night, and missing on all of them, may have something to do with their recent lost more than effort. Though their effort and hustle has been thoroughly lacking.

For a player that posters here say is clearly a superior passer compared to the likes of other stars in the game, I find his frequent ISO-centric play-style and three point attempts (currently 7 a game) less criticized.

Why is that? Especially when paired with his defense, which I contend is BYFAR the worst of any NBA team's superstar sans Carmelo. And he may be even worst than Melo.

[longtime lurker]

This has been my only gripe with the Rockets this season. We don't try for shit. Offense takes time to gel. Effort should be there all the time. It's sad to see. Our lack of effort is why I don't think we're contenders. Not blaming one single person on my team, but it's just us as a whole. We gotta whip this shit in to shape. I blame McHale partially. Dwight shouldn't be the only one calling out players. Make them hoes accountable at least. Bench them for slacking.

Article: http://t.co/fDmlnfyhBQ

Translation: "get me more post touches or Dwight unhappy"

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[Mr Exlax]

Translation: "get me more post touches or Dwight unhappy"

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Nah man. I translated that into something different. He gets his touches. He gets a ton of them hoes actually. It's up to him to call for the ball deeper like how he used to in Orlando. This is more about defense though. I can live with us trying to play defense and us sucking at it, but it's just that we're not even trying. He's had lapses too, but there are too many times that we play the matador defense and I guess everybody expects him to contest the shot and then still try and get the rebound. It's dumb to me.

[Mr Exlax]

Harden chucking up 10 threes last night, and missing on all of them, may have something to do with their recent lost more than effort. Though their effort and hustle has been thoroughly lacking.

For a player that posters here say is clearly a superior passer compared to the likes of other stars in the game, I find his frequent ISO-centric play-style and three point attempts (currently 7 a game) less criticized.

Why is that? Especially when paired with his defense, which I contend is BYFAR the worst of any NBA team's superstar sans Carmelo. And he may be even worst than Melo.

I can't blame it all on Harden though. This is what he was basically forced to do last season. The offense will come though bro. That is the thing that takes time. The effort though. I don't even look at a single game. I'm saying our season as a whole. No effort.

[shoops]

I can't blame it all on Harden though. This is what he was basically forced to do last season. The offense will come though bro. That is the thing that takes time. The effort though. I don't even look at a single game. I'm saying our season as a whole. No effort.
Meh...he's probably still injured, but still, how do you miss 10 3s? You'd think that after say, the 7th one he would've stopped chucking, but nope. Probably half those shots were early in the clock too. Need a coach that doesn't just bend over backwards for Harden, he shouldn't have been in the game after the deficit was cut by the bench.

[PizzamanIRL]

Effort? We talking bout effort?

[DCL]

"Coming down and shooting quick shots is not always good, especially when you’re down. That gives a team like Phoenix an opportunity to run. That’s what they want to do. We played right into their hands tonight.”

howard's message to team: "stop chucking your bullshit shots."

that's how i read it. maybe an indirect jab at harden.

[Legends66NBA7]

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[brownmamba00]

The funniest thing is I think all 3 of you guys are Lakers fans right? Do any of you care to comment on the lack of effort we've shown all season though? Why would it be wrong for our best defender to talk about lack of effort? I don't know what you people expected out of Dwight in LA being that he came back early from back surgery. Couple that with not wanting to be there. I saw Shaq, Bynum and Gasol all quit while playing with Kobe more than a few times. Not saying that it was right for them to do it, but I kinda sorta understand why they all did. Dwight just kinda quit/injuries all damn season though lol.
if he quit cause of kobe why didn't he step up in the playoffs when kobe was out?

instead he got his ass locked down, whined, bitched and carried around a statsheet.

And don't give me that 'he didn't want to be in LA' bullshit. We know damn well his fake ass was happy in Hollywood before the bright lights of Staples hit him.

I used to like the Rockets. I still like Parsons and Asik they give 100% but the rest of your team is made of fake ass ****** like Howard and Harden. You just wait a couple of months you'll turn on them. I watched the game last nite Dwight is the same what he was last year no difference...

[Mr Exlax]

Meh...he's probably still injured, but still, how do you miss 10 3s? You'd think that after say, the 7th one he would've stopped chucking, but nope. Probably half those shots were early in the clock too. Need a coach that doesn't just bend over backwards for Harden, he shouldn't have been in the game after the deficit was cut by the bench.

That's the mentality of a scorer i think. Shoot till you make one cause most times you just need one to go in lol. Hopefully he's still injured though. That would for sure make it understandable about his lazy play on offense and defense. Harden isn't the only one to shoot early in the shotclock this year though. It's just been a fun and gun offense, but sometimes they should at least wait till somebody's in position to get a rebound.

[Mr Exlax]

howard's message to team: "stop chucking your bullshit shots."

that's how i read it. maybe an indirect jab at harden.

That's all big men though. I forgot who it was but the center would give it back to the other team when his team did it. I think it was Kareem lol.

[Mr Exlax]

if he quit cause of kobe why didn't he step up in the playoffs when kobe was out?

instead he got his ass locked down, whined, bitched and carried around a statsheet.

And don't give me that 'he didn't want to be in LA' bullshit. We know damn well his fake ass was happy in Hollywood before the bright lights of Staples hit him.

I used to like the Rockets. I still like Parsons and Asik they give 100% but the rest of your team is made of fake ass ****** like Howard and Harden. You just wait a couple of months you'll turn on them. I watched the game last nite Dwight is the same what he was last year no difference...

I don't know what his numbers were, but there's only so much one player can do against an entire team. The Spurs are great about shutting down an individual player. I would think it was hell on Dwight to try and score against them being that there was NO other option on LA last year right? From what I've seen so far this season he looks better than what he did last year. There's more effort there and he's healthy and in shape.

Him wanting to be there vs him not wanting to be there is a wash.

The thing about it is that I was a Dwight fan before we got him and same thing with Harden. I was saying Harden was the 3rd best SG in the NBA while he was still the 6th man in OKC. In a few months the only thing I'll complain about from my team and my players is what I'm complaining about now. The lack of effort. Asik quit on us this season. Refused to play already. That's fake right there, but that's a player you like so I guess that's how yall roll.

[longtime lurker]

Nah man. I translated that into something different. He gets his touches. He gets a ton of them hoes actually. It's up to him to call for the ball deeper like how he used to in Orlando. This is more about defense though. I can live with us trying to play defense and us sucking at it, but it's just that we're not even trying. He's had lapses too, but there are too many times that we play the matador defense and I guess everybody expects him to contest the shot and then still try and get the rebound. It's dumb to me.

I was just fvcking around with the trolling. Who knows why the lack of effort is there :confusedshrug: question is did Houston play like this last year before Dwight arrived?

[Mr Exlax]

I was just fvcking around with the trolling. Who knows why the lack of effort is there :confusedshrug: question is did Houston play like this last year before Dwight arrived?

I think we did. We have so many posessions so there's more chances for the other team to exploit us and then all the turnovers lead to easy buckets. But then there's times when we'll just let somebody blow by and automatically expect Dwight to stop them. I figured we'd play harder defense knowing that we have the big fella to clean up. I'd want to know what somebody who's watched every game this season though. I don't have Comcast so I haven't caught every single one so far. I do think Harden being "injured" has a lot to do with his play of late though.

[SCdac]

Dude chose to go to uptempo Rockets and play alongside Kobe 2.0 (in relation to his career), yet one who plays way less defense and has less "fire" in his game so to speak. Harden can be and is a beast offensively, but his game screams lazy, 10 threes off of 17 shots? that's video game strategy and its indicative

But, it's right in this situation for Dwight to speak up, however ironic, as he's been on team's that required maximum effort and knows what it takes (Magic under relentless Van Gundy). But will it help, who knows. Will the Rockets listen to him (or Harden, etc.)? When the Rockets have Parsons they're better and more fluid no doubt but damn, have to be able to pull out games in spite of that (think: spurs bench nearly beating the heat and what kind of confidence boost it was. same principle). Seems like Howard being disgruntled lead him to sign with the "youngest team with the best player", yet at 28 years old he should be on a team with other veterans, primed for success, imo. Imagine him on the Spurs right now, or teamed up with LaMarcus Aldridge who's tearing it up.

"[B]I think, right now, I

[Mr Exlax]

[QUOTE=SCdac]Dude chose to go to uptempo Rockets and play alongside Kobe 2.0 (in relation to his career), yet one who plays way less defense and has less "fire" in his game so to speak. Harden can be and is a beast offensively, but his game screams lazy, 10 threes off of 17 shots? that's video game strategy and its indicative

But, it's right in this situation for Dwight to speak up, however ironic, as he's been on team's that required maximum effort and knows what it takes (Magic under relentless Van Gundy). But will it help, who knows. Will the Rockets listen to him (or Harden, etc.)? When the Rockets have Parsons they're better and more fluid no doubt but damn, have to be able to pull out games in spite of that (think: spurs bench nearly beating the heat and what kind of confidence boost it was. same principle). Seems like Howard being disgruntled lead him to sign with the "youngest team with the best player", yet at 28 years old he should be on a team with other veterans, primed for success, imo. Imagine him on the Spurs right now, or teamed up with LaMarcus Aldridge who's tearing it up.

"[B]I think, right now, I

[BlackVVaves]

[QUOTE=SCdac]Dude chose to go to uptempo Rockets and play alongside Kobe 2.0 (in relation to his career), yet one who plays way less defense and has less "fire" in his game so to speak. Harden can be and is a beast offensively, but his game screams lazy, 10 threes off of 17 shots? that's video game strategy and its indicative

But, it's right in this situation for Dwight to speak up, however ironic, as he's been on team's that required maximum effort and knows what it takes (Magic under relentless Van Gundy). But will it help, who knows. Will the Rockets listen to him (or Harden, etc.)? When the Rockets have Parsons they're better and more fluid no doubt but damn, have to be able to pull out games in spite of that (think: spurs bench nearly beating the heat and what kind of confidence boost it was. same principle). Seems like Howard being disgruntled lead him to sign with the "youngest team with the best player", yet at 28 years old he should be on a team with other veterans, primed for success, imo. Imagine him on the Spurs right now, or teamed up with LaMarcus Aldridge who's tearing it up.

"[B]I think, right now, I

[tomtucker]

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[SCdac]

It's not every game like that though. That's the thing. People that rag on Harden have yet to tell me what exactly was he supposed to do last season. He led us to the playoffs when we had no shot. He's not a ballhog. He made the players around him better last season. This season though, I dunno. It's gotta be an injury. That foot gotta still be killing him. We don't look the same though. I figured here would be a perfect fit for Dwight. He gets touches so that's not what he's complaining about. I dunno man. My brain is all over the place about my team this season.

It's fair to say the style of play (jack up shots early in the shot clock) is getting to Dwight. The article infers that it was talked about in the locker room and I'd describe what's going on in Houston as just growing pains. Perfectly normal. But I question how high this team's ceiling is, especially with 24 year old Harden at the helm. I'd like to see them add players with experience, off hand I think Luol Deng I think would be a good piece to add

[Mr Exlax]

It's fair to say the style of play (jack up shots early in the shot clock) is getting to Dwight. The article infers that it was talked about in the locker room and I'd describe what's going on in Houston as just growing pains. Perfectly normal. But I question how high this team's ceiling is, especially with 24 year old Harden at the helm. I'd like to see them add players with experience, off hand I think Luol Deng I think would be a good piece to add

Oh ok I got ya. I don't want to do any trades just yet. I want to give them more time, but effort doesn't take time. Our offense doesn't bother me one bit. Lots of dumb shots. That will work itself out I feel. I don't even know who's the leader anymore. Harden was talking so much about defense over the summer and preseason. I'm just hoping he's hurt still. I never saw this type of stuff coming from him though. Not just cause we have him, but just never saw it even when he was in college.

[Black and White]

D12 did his part yesterday, i think he was taking a shot at Harden, Harden blew the game, the rockets were cutting the lead back and then Harden will just chuck up another three, what Dwight is saying is right, they have to work the ball more instead of just wasting possesions.

[Mr Exlax]

D12 did his part yesterday, i think he was taking a shot at Harden, Harden blew the game, the rockets were cutting the lead back and then Harden will just chuck up another three, what Dwight is saying is right, they have to work the ball more instead of just wasting possesions.

I hope he wouldn't get this bothered by 1 game though.

[Black and White]

I hope he wouldn't get this bothered by 1 game though.

I agree, you think he would have learnt from last season that complaining to the media isnt the right way to go about it, dude doesnt have much patience tho

[Mr Exlax]

I agree, you think he would have learnt from last season that complaining to the media isnt the right way to go about it, dude doesnt have much patience tho

I agree 10000000%.

I am ok with what I think he's trying to do and that's motivate the players, but damn he could've did this in a closed door meeting. The media didn't need to know this. It's not just horrible that he did say it to the media, but being that we all know how the public and media will spin it, it's not good. LeBron could do the same exact thing and it'd be fine.

[BlackVVaves]

Oh ok I got ya. I don't want to do any trades just yet. I want to give them more time, but effort doesn't take time. Our offense doesn't bother me one bit. Lots of dumb shots. That will work itself out I feel. I don't even know who's the leader anymore. Harden was talking so much about defense over the summer and preseason. I'm just hoping he's hurt still. I never saw this type of stuff coming from him though. Not just cause we have him, but just never saw it even when he was in college.

I feel for you bro :(

Harden just needs to stop exclusively focusing on one side of the ball. It's weird, because if you look at his contemporaries, they have raised their level of play on defense, and it's predominantly been on effort alone (like KD for instance).

He needs to stop focusing on making the big splash play and give an eye to the details. Right now, from the games I've seen, once his man beats him off the dribble, he makes a half-ass attempt to strip the ball from him, and then is ready to get back on offense.

Maybe it's injury, idk.

[Black and White]

I agree 10000000%.

I am ok with what I think he's trying to do and that's motivate the players, but damn he could've did this in a closed door meeting. The media didn't need to know this. It's not just horrible that he did say it to the media, but being that we all know how the public and media will spin it, it's not good. LeBron could do the same exact thing and it'd be fine.

The thing that bothers me about Howard is that he knows that the spotlight is on him since he made the decision to go to Houston, i really thought that he was going to shut his mouth this year and just let his game speak for him, but saying stuff like this so early into the season (especially when the rockets still have a winning record) will rub his teammates up the wrong way. I can sense that its prob going to be like this for the rest of the season tho.

[BlackVVaves]

I agree 10000000%.

I am ok with what I think he's trying to do and that's motivate the players, but damn he could've did this in a closed door meeting. The media didn't need to know this. It's not just horrible that he did say it to the media, but being that we all know how the public and media will spin it, it's not good. LeBron could do the same exact thing and it'd be fine.

I agree. Dwight should stop going to the media with his every concern, and talk behind closed doors to address interval issues. It's not that it's bad that he cares enough to call a teammate out, but he should know by now that he doesn't have the most appealing stature in the eye of the national media anymore, and so a spin is inevitable, whether it's warranted or not.

[Mr Exlax]

The thing that bothers me about Howard is that he knows that the spotlight is on him since he made the decision to go to Houston, i really thought that he was going to shut his mouth this year and just let his game speak for him, but saying stuff like this so early into the season (especially when the rockets still have a winning record) will rub his teammates up the wrong way. I can sense that its prob going to be like this for the rest of the season tho.

I agree with the first part. The part I disagree with is what it's gonna do to the teammates. It's not like he's incorrect. They're role players. I'm sure they're used to being pushed. The only one I wonder about is Harden. How's he gonna react to it?

[Black and White]

I agree with the first part. The part I disagree with is what it's gonna do to the teammates. It's not like he's incorrect. They're role players. I'm sure they're used to being pushed. The only one I wonder about is Harden. How's he gonna react to it?

Harden probably would have wanted Dwight to approach him privately about it, Harden isn't stupid, he knew he blew it last night and didnt need Dwight going to the media to confirm it, so that part will probably bother him a little, the real person who i think is going to have to do something about this is Mchale, beacuse it should have been his responsibility to take control of the situation yesterday, Harden is a scorer, is mchales job to tell him to try move the ball more.

[Mr Exlax]

Harden probably would have wanted Dwight to approach him privately about it, Harden isn't stupid, he knew he blew it last night and didnt need Dwight going to the media to confirm it, so that part will probably bother him a little, the real person who i think is going to have to do something about this is Mchale, beacuse it should have been his responsibility to take control of the situation yesterday, Harden is a scorer, is mchales job to tell him to try move the ball more.

Yeah I can dig that. I would've much rather it stay in house, but then again this gives me hope. This shows that we do actually give a shit. As a fan that means a ton. I don't think McHale is gonna get it done for us. We need to be held accountable. Even this early in the season. There's gotta be consequences for mistakes made and lack of effort. He only gets tough with Lin it seems. I don't understand that at all.

[Black and White]

Yeah I can dig that. I would've much rather it stay in house, but then again this gives me hope. This shows that we do actually give a shit. As a fan that means a ton. I don't think McHale is gonna get it done for us. We need to be held accountable. Even this early in the season. There's gotta be consequences for mistakes made and lack of effort. He only gets tough with Lin it seems. I don't understand that at all.

Yea your on the money, you cant just hold one player accountable when on occasions its different players that let the team down, for the most part Jeremy Lin has been good, I believe when you have a defensive player like Howard on your team you would focus on your teams defense, mchales rotations stink, there is a good coach thats waiting tho, how do you feel about Lionel Hollins?? He could instill some defensive intensity into your team

[Mr Exlax]

Yea your on the money, you cant just hold one player accountable when on occasions its different players that let the team down, for the most part Jeremy Lin has been good, I believe when you have a defensive player like Howard on your team you would focus on your teams defense, mchales rotations stink, there is a good coach thats waiting tho, how do you feel about Lionel Hollins?? He could instill some defensive intensity into your team

Lionel Hollins would be great. He's not good offensively, but honestly with the players we have we wouldn't need any complex offense. If we slacked on anything, he'd call them out for sure.

I'm all for a players coach, but damn at least be good at it. I've never understood anything that McHale's done. Even last season. Those rotations man. It's just like WTF lol. He's not the worst coach ever, but he's not gonna get it done for us. I don't think so anyway. Hopefully he does though and I'm wrong.

[Ai2death]

The thing that bothers me about Howard is that he knows that the spotlight is on him since he made the decision to go to Houston, i really thought that he was going to shut his mouth this year and just let his game speak for him, but saying stuff like this so early into the season (especially when the rockets still have a winning record) will rub his teammates up the wrong way. I can sense that its prob going to be like this for the rest of the season tho.

Anyone who thinks Dwight would've learned to keep his mouth shut :roll:

If he hasn't learned by now, he never will. It's only a matter of time till he drops another bomb, he'll probably want another trade. Miami? :lol

[el_locoteee]

Thanks that Dwight speak out.

The Harden last two games have been uninspired to say the least. No effort in defense or offense, he is just like he doesn't care. Harden is good player but not a great leader or vocal leader. If Howard wants to be that, great, because it looks like our coach is not showing any anger at the way our best player is acting.

At this moment I wish McHale got some Popovich in him and start yelling at Harden when he is so uninteresting in the game or at least bench him to send him a message and a message to a the team.

You don't play hard you don't play at all doesn't matter who you are.

[Black and White]

Lionel Hollins would be great. He's not good offensively, but honestly with the players we have we wouldn't need any complex offense. If we slacked on anything, he'd call them out for sure.

I'm all for a players coach, but damn at least be good at it. I've never understood anything that McHale's done. Even last season. Those rotations man. It's just like WTF lol. He's not the worst coach ever, but he's not gonna get it done for us. I don't think so anyway. Hopefully he does though and I'm wrong.

He may turn it around, you never know, the Rockets are going to the playoffs anyway, but where its going to matter is he good enough to get them to 2nd round? west finals? the finals? As far as im concerned his current rotations have holes all over the court that would get exposed by teams like miami, the pacers, san antonio, portland etc.

Why i suggest a guy like hollins is because you look at how he did with the grizzlies, they were a great defensive team that won games on that end of the court, he didnt have an offensive player like Harden to caplitilize on all of that, thats why i think its a perfect fit for him, would provide stability and he would def call players out where he sees fit.

[longtime lurker]

I think we did. We have so many posessions so there's more chances for the other team to exploit us and then all the turnovers lead to easy buckets. But then there's times when we'll just let somebody blow by and automatically expect Dwight to stop them. I figured we'd play harder defense knowing that we have the big fella to clean up. I'd want to know what somebody who's watched every game this season though. I don't have Comcast so I haven't caught every single one so far. I do think Harden being "injured" has a lot to do with his play of late though.

Lack of effort usually goes back to the coach, but sometimes a coach can only do so much. I remember Kobe once saying that if playing for championships doesn't motivate his teammates then there's nothing he can say.

Maybe the team needs better leaders other than a goof ball and a guy that would rather be hittin the strip club.

[Black and White]

Anyone who thinks Dwight would've learned to keep his mouth shut :roll:

If he hasn't learned by now, he never will. It's only a matter of time till he drops another bomb, he'll probably want another trade. Miami? :lol

Hahahaha well his public image is ruined, so what the hell. I just hate it that his mouth has been speaking more for him than his game has. Doesnt he have a pr manager or something? That dude should get fired.

[russwest0]

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That plumlee guy on the suns was blocking the shit out of him last nite. It's not effort you just suck.

:lol :lol :lol

Dwight is trash at this point

[Mr. Jabbar]

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[Mr Exlax]

Lack of effort usually goes back to the coach, but sometimes a coach can only do so much. I remember Kobe once saying that if playing for championships doesn't motivate his teammates then there's nothing he can say.

Maybe the team needs better leaders other than a goof ball and a guy that would rather be hittin the strip club.

I believe that's horse shit though. I think any player can be motivated. It's about the leader. I'm about ruling through fear though. Like if i don't play hard there's a good chance of getting roughed up about it. I've never viewed Kobe as a good leader though. With that statement it furthermore cements that. He's a great player. Not taking anything from him. I just always liked guys that get the most out of their players.

I think Dwight will be a good leader, but McHale has to back him. Dwight can talk all he wants, but if McHale's not benching anybody other than Lin then Dwight's voice is gonna fall on deaf ears.

[Mr. Jabbar]

I think Dwight will be a good leader

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[Mr Exlax]

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He led his team to the Finals. That's good enough for me lol.

[Black and White]

He led his team to the Finals. That's good enough for me lol.

I dont think hes a leader type, he isn't mentally tough enough, I think he is a complementary piece to a true leader, and sadly it has to be Harden, so in reality its a weird situation for the Rockets. Which is why i say they need a coach that can lead from the front.

[Heavincent]

I've never viewed Kobe as a good leader

I think Dwight will be a good leader

:facepalm

Dwight is a good leader, but Kobe isn't...okay.

[Mr Exlax]

:facepalm

Dwight is a good leader, but Kobe isn't...okay.

He made those boys in Orlando play. I think they feared him in a way. I dunno. They knew not to piss him off. He'd bark at them and all that.

Kobe on the other hand could care less because he felt like he didn't need their help and he's just that great of a player. Again, this is just my opinion.

[Black and White]

He made those boys in Orlando play. I think they feared him in a way. I dunno. They knew not to piss him off. He'd bark at them and all that.

Kobe on the other hand could care less because he felt like he didn't need their help and he's just that great of a player. Again, this is just my opinion.

Fear Dwight???? No i dont think thats the case. That team was more even in terms of responsibility then anything, remember Hedo having a good run?

[Ai2death]

He made those boys in Orlando play. I think they feared him in a way. I dunno. They knew not to piss him off. He'd bark at them and all that.

Kobe on the other hand could care less because he felt like he didn't need their help and he's just that great of a player. Again, this is just my opinion.

:biggums:

Really? Dude Jameer was more a leader than Dwight, Orlando worked so well cause they were perfectly built around Dwight, Stan Van Gundy was the true leader of that team.

A Dwight built team is Dwight & 4 Shooters.

You're so na

[Mr Exlax]

Fear Dwight???? No i dont think thats the case. That team was more even in terms of responsibility then anything, remember Hedo having a good run?

When they slacked on defense though he got on to them. Dwight was the vocal leader out there. When Turk left they still kept on clicking. They got him back to try and recapture that magic I think. Hedo had a good run because of the attention Dwight got and vice versa though.

[outbreak]

dwight was the man in Orlando but he wasn't the leader, Jameer was the one who organised get together, helped coach the rookies and generally told people what to do. SVG was a huge part of it as well. While I agree Dwight still brings a lot to the table on any team he plays for, that team was just built completely around him. Van Gundy has said that during his tenure when people kept asking him why they rely so heavily on the 3 point shot and dwights post game and he always said that's the directive he has been given from the top and the players they are signing are all to fit that mould. It wasn't like a normal team where you'll pick up talent and then work out ways to utilise the talent, they picked a game plan around Dwight and then went out looking for players who only fit that role. Same reason some guys came from teams where they were dunking and driving but were turned into spot up shooters in Orlando to fit the gameplan. It worked though but it probably won't work if you have a guy like Harden or Kobe who have more talent than anyone on those orlando rosters which makes using them on offence a better option and also that they wouldn't allow themselves to be turned into role players and shooters.

Dwight did lead on defence though but it was SVG who made him do that. I think he can set a role and be a positive guy if he is happy with the situation (it was clear before the trade he didn't want to be in L.A and Shaqs shadow), but he isn't ap rimary leader.

You are right though, guys like Hedo looked better in Orlando due to the benefits of having Dwight be such a distraction in the paint that you get more open looks. Only works with the right roster around him though and it's not a reliable way to compete. His role now is fine though I think, they just need to improve perimeter D

[Mr Exlax]

[QUOTE=Ai2death]:biggums:

Really? Dude Jameer was more a leader than Dwight, Orlando worked so well cause they were perfectly built around Dwight, Stan Van Gundy was the true leader of that team.

A Dwight built team is Dwight & 4 Shooters.

You're so na

[Mr Exlax]

dwight was the man in Orlando but he wasn't the leader, Jameer was the one who organised get together, helped coach the rookies and generally told people what to do. SVG was a huge part of it as well. While I agree Dwight still brings a lot to the table on any team he plays for, that team was just built completely around him. Van Gundy has said that during his tenure when people kept asking him why they rely so heavily on the 3 point shot and dwights post game and he always said that's the directive he has been given from the top and the players they are signing are all to fit that mould. It wasn't like a normal team where you'll pick up talent and then work out ways to utilise the talent, they picked a game plan around Dwight and then went out looking for players who only fit that role. Same reason some guys came from teams where they were dunking and driving but were turned into spot up shooters in Orlando to fit the gameplan. It worked though but it probably won't work if you have a guy like Harden or Kobe who have more talent than anyone on those orlando rosters which makes using them on offence a better option and also that they wouldn't allow themselves to be turned into role players and shooters.

Dwight did lead on defence though but it was SVG who made him do that. I think he can set a role and be a positive guy if he is happy with the situation (it was clear before the trade he didn't want to be in L.A and Shaqs shadow), but he isn't ap rimary leader.

You are right though, guys like Hedo looked better in Orlando due to the benefits of having Dwight be such a distraction in the paint that you get more open looks. Only works with the right roster around him though and it's not a reliable way to compete. His role now is fine though I think, they just need to improve perimeter D

See the thing is that I would think he'd be happy as hell to have somebody like Harden and even Lin who can create their own shot. After having nobody basically to having two young players that can create and will also pass, he'd be happy. The Kobe thing....I mean, Kobe would take jumpers over two players. Make or miss, that's still not a good shot. I don't see Harden doing that......yet.

[outbreak]

See the thing is that I would think he'd be happy as hell to have somebody like Harden and even Lin who can create their own shot. After having nobody basically to having two young players that can create and will also pass, he'd be happy. The Kobe thing....I mean, Kobe would take jumpers over two players. Make or miss, that's still not a good shot. I don't see Harden doing that......yet.

He might be happy having guys like that, and it might be a relief to not be THE guy on the team but at the same time his role isn't as big as it was in Orlando. The players there fit the system and didn't need too many touches to get theirs

[Mr Exlax]

He might be happy having guys like that, and it might be a relief to not be THE guy on the team but at the same time his role isn't as big as it was in Orlando. The players there fit the system and didn't need too many touches to get theirs

But the thing is he hasn't really complained about touches. I honestly don't think that's his concern right now. He's said he's fine, but hell that could be a front. I'd imagine though that being part of a better overall team is what he wants since he wants to win now. I mean every player wants to be the man, but you can do that and not get the ball every single time. I think this is more about effort and not touches. He's not incorrect in my eyes with this because I've been saying the same thing so far this season. Offense is gonna get better. The effort i hope does, but that shouldn't be something that has to.

[Ai2death]

I wanna agree with you, but Jameer wasn't the "leader" to me. He was just the PG. He didn't demand respect. Hell he didn't even demand set plays lol. I remember when he went out and Rafer stepped in everything kept on clicking. How many Orlando Magic games did you watch by the way?

Quite a few, Dwight was a major player on Orlando, but a leader he was no where near. Dwight didn't have the leader bone, he just always wanted to have fun, if he was the leader, he wouldn't run his mouth like he does.

SVG was the leader of Orlando. Simple as that. I was purely saying Jameer was more the leader than Dwight, he wasn't however.

[outbreak]

But the thing is he hasn't really complained about touches. I honestly don't think that's his concern right now. He's said he's fine, but hell that could be a front. I'd imagine though that being part of a better overall team is what he wants since he wants to win now. I mean every player wants to be the man, but you can do that and not get the ball every single time. I think this is more about effort and not touches. He's not incorrect in my eyes with this because I've been saying the same thing so far this season. Offense is gonna get better. The effort i hope does, but that shouldn't be something that has to.
yeah he hasn't complained, I think the comments he's made so far in Houston have all been positive and I think he's buying into it. He needs to learn how to make the most of his touches though and how to work down low without having the bail out of 4 shooters just hanging around open or spreading the floor if he's in trouble.

[KungFuJoe]

D12 is really referring to Haren when he talks about effort. Too bad McHale doesn't have the guts to actually bench him when he is jacking up bad shot after bad shot, not playing any D and turning over the ball like crazy.

It's understandable...the Rockets banked on Haren being the star leader of the team and they're going to ride him to the end, it seems.

But make no mistake...Haren is the biggest cancer in the NBA. Every run the Rockets made was when Haren was on the bench...and every run the Suns made was when he was on the floor. Those games he was injured, they still found a way to score and the ball moved SO much better.

I mean think about it...if Haren was YOUR teammate...always wanting the ball...taking all the shots...playing NO D and turning the ball over AND blaming YOU for it. Would you want him on your team?

[Djsonny]

He led his team to the Finals. That's good enough for me lol.

D12 is killing the chemistry on this team. Harden last year didnt lack effort like he has this year. Harden of last year would've take 5 less 3s and took it to the basket for fts. D12 potentially can take a team far but the difference between orlando and lakers and houston, he was their primary option. He wont be any teams primary option anymore.

[KungFuJoe]

D12 is killing the chemistry on this team. Harden last year didnt lack effort like he has this year. Harden of last year would've take 5 less 3s and took it to the basket for fts. D12 potentially can take a team far but the difference between orlando and lakers and houston, he was their primary option. He wont be any teams primary option anymore.

I'm no Dwight fan, but I think he's helped the Rockets. I started out complaining about him and his lack of post game just like everyone else. But so far, I've seen him do nothing but hustle his ass off on D, grab all the rebounds, and not complain when he only gets 6 shot attempts. He goes out and does work and I gotta respect that.

Haren was THIS AWFUL last season, too. I watched nearly every Rockets game and if you look at my post history you'll see me bitching about him early on last season. He plays NO D...doesn't even try.

[outbreak]

D12 is really referring to Haren when he talks about effort. Too bad McHale doesn't have the guts to actually bench him when he is jacking up bad shot after bad shot, not playing any D and turning over the ball like crazy.

It's understandable...the Rockets banked on Haren being the star leader of the team and they're going to ride him to the end, it seems.

But make no mistake...Haren is the biggest cancer in the NBA. Every run the Rockets made was when Haren was on the bench...and every run the Suns made was when he was on the floor. Those games he was injured, they still found a way to score and the ball moved SO much better.

I mean think about it...if Haren was YOUR teammate...always wanting the ball...taking all the shots...playing NO D and turning the ball over AND blaming YOU for it. Would you want him on your team?

Who's Haren? One of their trainers? Dwights imaginary friend? Ball boy?

in seriousness I agree, SVG always rode Dwight until he learnt to put in effot on both ends, Harden needs someone to get on his back about playing 100% all the time in every aspect. Even if your not naturally gifted for defence if you put the effort in it goes a LONG way to helping the team.

[Ai2death]

Who is this Haren? :confusedshrug:

[Jameerthefear]

someone's got to call the team out. bad defense isn't going to get it done.

[jjayfive]

He led his team to the Finals. That's good enough for me lol.


WHAAATTTT!!???? what about Kobe's 3 finals without Shaq?

No one is afraid of howard!!! period!!!!

Read most of your post on this topic.. You sound like a homer..

[Nick Young]

:oldlol:

That plumlee guy on the suns was blocking the shit out of him last nite. It's not effort you just suck.
The great tower of plumlee
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[Nick Young]

if he quit cause of kobe why didn't he step up in the playoffs when kobe was out?

instead he got his ass locked down, whined, bitched and carried around a statsheet.

And don't give me that 'he didn't want to be in LA' bullshit. We know damn well his fake ass was happy in Hollywood before the bright lights of Staples hit him.

I used to like the Rockets. I still like Parsons and Asik they give 100% but the rest of your team is made of fake ass ****** like Howard and Harden. You just wait a couple of months you'll turn on them. I watched the game last nite Dwight is the same what he was last year no difference...
Its only a matter of time before Rockets fans turn on Dwight Howard. I will continue to pray for them.

[SpecialQue]

Rockets will be fine. I like Lin and Parsons. Harden can go suck a dick though.

[YouGotServed]

:applause: With Asik and Parsons injured, Dwight Howard is the only guy on the team playing with heart. Thank God we signed him. I don't know where this team would be without Superman. Other players need to step up their defense. Dwight can't block every shot.

[branslowski]

Effort? Then Dwight needs to score more than zero points in 4th quarters and needs to hit fts aswell as gps locate his post game....Oh yea he doesn't have one:oldlol: He better Bluetooth Hakeems post game then.:lol

[outbreak]

brb going to buy some pretzels for all this salt

[tomtucker]

Who the fukk is Haren? :mad:

[The Iron Fist]

The funniest thing is I think all 3 of you guys are Lakers fans right? Do any of you care to comment on the lack of effort we've shown all season though? Why would it be wrong for our best defender to talk about lack of effort? I don't know what you people expected out of Dwight in LA being that he came back early from back surgery. Couple that with not wanting to be there. I saw Shaq, Bynum and Gasol all quit while playing with Kobe more than a few times. Not saying that it was right for them to do it, but I kinda sorta understand why they all did. Dwight just kinda quit/injuries all damn season though lol.
DWight Leads The League In LAck Of Effort.

[Nick Young]

I agree. Dwight should stop going to the media with his every concern, and talk behind closed doors to address interval issues. It's not that it's bad that he cares enough to call a teammate out, but he should know by now that he doesn't have the most appealing stature in the eye of the national media anymore, and so a spin is inevitable, whether it's warranted or not.
The guy has literally no self awareness, on the court and off it.

[Nick Young]

He made those boys in Orlando play. I think they feared him in a way. I dunno. They knew not to piss him off. He'd bark at them and all that.

Kobe on the other hand could care less because he felt like he didn't need their help and he's just that great of a player. Again, this is just my opinion.
Wow, good job rewriting history.Fear him? They thought he was a clown, just look at all the comments they made about him when he left. Rashards steroids and Stan Van Gundy is what made those boys play. D12 had nothing to do with it. He's no leader. How can you fear a player who laughs and jokes on the bench in blow out losses and runs away from intentional fouls while laughing and giggling in a close game on national TV?

[Jameerthefear]

yeah exlax is wrong about that. svg got everyone focused on defense.

[Black and White]

yeah exlax is wrong about that. svg got everyone focused on defense.

I dont understand why Dwight is getting all the credit for that magic team, is it because he was the star player??? honestly Hedo stood out to me alot in that run with SVG motivating them.

[Jameerthefear]

I dont understand why Dwight is getting all the credit for that magic team, is it because he was the star player??? honestly Hedo stood out to me alot in that run with SVG motivating them.
he was the main reason the offense worked. the inside out game was deadly

[KungFuJoe]

DH ain't no leader and never will be one. But he's not the problem with the Rockets.

It really comes down to McFail being one of the worst coaches in the NBA.

Oh...and Haren being the biggest cancer in the NBA.

[Black and White]

he was the main reason the offense worked. the inside out game was deadly

Yea your right, but it wasn't just him, plus i don't think he was the leader that he was made out to be, dont get me wrong he played like a beast but i dont think his teammates saw him as the leader, that was jameer, svg etc

[YouGotServed]

:lol

People really think Dwight wasn't the reason why Orlando made the finals in 09? Salty.

[Black and White]

:lol

People really think Dwight wasn't the reason why Orlando made the finals in 09? Salty.

I never said he wasn't the reason, i said i didnt understand why he gets ALL the credit, and i was questioning his leadership

[Jameerthefear]

Yea your right, but it wasn't just him, plus i don't think he was the leader that he was made out to be, dont get me wrong he played like a beast but i dont think his teammates saw him as the leader, that was jameer, svg etc
of course. he was a big reason, but you have to give others credit. I think Jameer was the real vocal leader of the team. Him and Dwight were best friends too. It was a TEAM effort. Not just Dwight. Anyone who disagrees didn't watch the games.

[MiseryCityTexas]

well if it makes you dwight howard and rockets haters feel any better......


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[Nick Young]

I dont understand why Dwight is getting all the credit for that magic team, is it because he was the star player??? honestly Hedo stood out to me alot in that run with SVG motivating them.
Exactly, Hedo being Mr. 4Th Quarter that year and Rashard shooting lights out, not to mention Pietrus and Courney Lee stepping up big and providing solid perimeter D. That magic team was not Dwight surrounded by scrubs like people are making them out to be. Even Rafer Alston stepped up big time in the playoffs.

ALSO, Dwight got them better shots, but Dwight also wouldnt have been able to operate down low 1v1 without them. Dwight and his teammates helped eachother. Since Dwight got SVG fired and left a team where hes always surrounded by 4 shooters, his offense has been shit. He has his orlando teammates to thank for his best offensive seasons.


Also, Hedo made great entry passes and got plenty of easy lobs for Dwight every game.

[Black and White]

of course. he was a big reason, but you have to give others credit. I think Jameer was the real vocal leader of the team. Him and Dwight were best friends too. It was a TEAM effort. Not just Dwight. Anyone who disagrees didn't watch the games.

Exactly, this sums up my whole point, thats what i meant. Jameer was the clear leader on court, nothing would have worked as smooth if he wasnt there. Basically it was the perfect team built for dwight, because he had the outside shooters knocking down their shots.

[MiseryCityTexas]

you guys bigging up turkey glue, alston, and peitrius as if they were amazing players.:roll:

[Jameerthefear]

you guys bigging up turkey glue, alston, and peitrius as if they were amazing players.:roll:
These players were good. Don't underrate them, especially Turk.

[Nick Young]

you guys bigging up turkey glue, alston, and peitrius as if they were amazing players.:roll:
In the playoffs they stepped up huge in big moments-until they got to the finals and got raped:rockon:

[Black and White]

you guys bigging up turkey glue, alston, and peitrius as if they were amazing players.:roll:

Did you watch Hedo during that run??? He was amazing beside Dwight, the Dwight/Hedo combo was much better than anything ive seen from Dwight/Harden so far

[Mr Exlax]

Exactly, this sums up my whole point, thats what i meant. Jameer was the clear leader on court, nothing would have worked as smooth if he wasnt there. Basically it was the perfect team built for dwight, because he had the outside shThat's knocking down their shots.

See the thing is though when Jameer went down, the Magic were still clicking. Raefer came im and did a really good job. I don't gove Dwight 100% of the credit for his team's victories though. i just think he was the leader. He led them. I could be wrong. That's really not an issue for me. My main thing is how we're playing with no effort right now. seems like this topic got waaaaaaay off track.

[Jameerthefear]

Did you watch Hedo during that run??? He was amazing beside Dwight, the Dwight/Hedo combo was much better than anything ive seen from Dwight/Harden so far
Hedo and Jameer are the best lob passers Dwight has played with.

[KungFuJoe]

Turkoglu was a baller. Clutch as hell, especially with Sacramento. I used to hate him and Bibby cuz they would knock down daggers against the Lakers.

Seems like he really fell off, though...

[Mr Exlax]

Oh and Haren is what we use on Clutchfans to refer to James Harden. We call him Haren cause he has no D.

[Black and White]

See the thing is though when Jameer went down, the Magic were still clicking. Raefer came im and did a really good job. I don't gove Dwight 100% of the credit for his team's victories though. i just think he was the leader. He led them. I could be wrong. That's really not an issue for me. My main thing is how we're playing with no effort right now. seems like this topic got waaaaaaay off track.

Meh Howard still hasn't shown the leadership qualities you talk about. SVG gets underrated here, he kept that team focused and on the same page, much more of a leader than Howard ever was, im telling you, you have to look at a different leader for your team than Howard, hes not serious enough, jokes around etc.

[Black and White]

Hedo and Jameer are the best lob passers Dwight has played with.

Bingo :cheers:

People acting like he was playing with a scrub team. That team was perfect for him.

[Mr Exlax]

The agendas crack me up. There are people who are known Dwight haters trying to overhype his Orlando team. I got called a homer but dwight was my favorite player well before we got him smh. Why is nobody talking about the Houston Rockets and our lack of effort? This isn't just about Dwight.

[Jameerthefear]

The agendas crack me up. There are people who are known Dwight haters trying to overhype his Orlando team. I got called a homer but dwight was my favorite player well before we got him smh. Why is nobody talking about the Houston Rockets and our lack of effort? This isn't just about Dwight.
Not me.

[Black and White]

The agendas crack me up. There are people who are known Dwight haters trying to overhype his Orlando team. I got called a homer but dwight was my favorite player well before we got him smh. Why is nobody talking about the Houston Rockets and our lack of effort? This isn't just about Dwight.

Im not trying to overhype it, they are clearly being underrated here, are you telling me Hedo didnt ball during that run??? Shard??? Rafer?? they all stepped up

[Mr Exlax]

Not me.

Oh nah. I value your opinion of the Orlando Magic more than my own. I watched a ton of their games but I imagine you've watched more than me.

[outbreak]

Hedo balled but don't act like he was a star player. These guys also got a big boost to their game because Dwight drew everyone to him and opened up shots on the perimeter. That's what the whole game plan was. They weren't scrubs but they were far from a top team, take away Dwight from those line ups and their in the lottery. I was a Hedo fan myself and I loved those guys but seriously they weren't a top quality supporting cast, they just fit the roles around Dwight perfectly and were all on the same page. People shouldn't act like they were stars and people shouldn't act like Dwight did it all by himself, it was a whole team working well on a set plan.

Dwight wasn't the leader of those teams, that was Jameer and it was SVG who motivated and held them up to high standards.

Also seeing the Haren nickname explained is great :P

[Mr Exlax]

Im not trying to overhype it, they are clearly being underrated here, are you telling me Hedo didnt ball during that run??? Shard??? Rafer?? they all stepped up

No not you either. I'm not saying they weren't balling. The were. That whole team was balling. The thing is they stopped when he wasn't getting doubled though. They depended on him more than he depended on them imo.

[Black and White]

No not you either. I'm not saying they weren't balling. The were. That whole team was balling. The thing is they stopped when he wasn't getting doubled though. They depended on him more than he depended on them imo.

Goes both ways i guess, they needed each other to work, on your team however, it not going to work until they flip Asik for a player that can play the Rashard Lewis type role or some sort of lockdown perimiter defender.

[Mr Exlax]

Goes both ways i guess, they needed each other to work, on your team however, it not going to work until they flip Asik for a player that can play the Rashard Lewis type role or some sort of lockdown perimiter defender.

I think we need our players to play harder. That's all I wanna see. I'm fine with our roster as is. T.Jones is looking good so far. I think we'll get it together. We just really really need to compete. I'm just hoping like hell Harden is just hurt.

[Black and White]

I think we need our players to play harder. That's all I wanna see. I'm fine with our roster as is. T.Jones is looking good so far. I think we'll get it together. We just really really need to compete. I'm just hoping like hell Harden is just hurt.

Yea, if this is what Harden is going to be then its not good for the future of this franchise, but Asik doesnt want to be there, would you want to get rid of him then for a piece that can make this team better?

[MiguelSanchez]

I think we need our players to play harder. That's all I wanna see. I'm fine with our roster as is. T.Jones is looking good so far. I think we'll get it together. We just really really need to compete. I'm just hoping like hell Harden is just hurt.

I don't think Harden is severely hurt. I think he is just a lazy ass defender.

[Mr Exlax]

Yea, if this is what Harden is going to be then its not good for the future of this franchise, but Asik doesnt want to be there, would you get rid of him then for a piece that can make this team better?

I like him as insurance just to see if Dwight can stay healthy. I don't see us winning shit this year. It's not a make or break season to me. I dunno who exactly I'd try to flip him for right now though.

[MiseryCityTexas]

Yeah Rockets need to keep Asik. He's basically the white Mutombo.

[Mr Exlax]

I love my team, but I really think we're gonna get murdered today by GS.

[Nick Young]

Hedo balled but don't act like he was a star player. These guys also got a big boost to their game because Dwight drew everyone to him and opened up shots on the perimeter. That's what the whole game plan was. They weren't scrubs but they were far from a top team, take away Dwight from those line ups and their in the lottery. I was a Hedo fan myself and I loved those guys but seriously they weren't a top quality supporting cast, they just fit the roles around Dwight perfectly and were all on the same page. People shouldn't act like they were stars and people shouldn't act like Dwight did it all by himself, it was a whole team working well on a set plan.

Dwight wasn't the leader of those teams, that was Jameer and it was SVG who motivated and held them up to high standards.

Also seeing the Haren nickname explained is great :P
Hedo was the best playmaker and was hitting all the game winners and fourth quarter shots that year. Dwight got the numbers and is the more marketable persona, so yeah, Dwight was the star, doesn't mean he was more important then Hedo on that team. They were the perfect duo, like a shit version of Shaq and Kobe.

Also I think Hedo was an allstar that year and he definately deserved it, don't pretend he was some nobody that only we are hyping up now to try to discredit D12.

[Mr Exlax]

Hedo was the best playmaker and was hitting all the game winners and fourth quarter shots that year. Dwight got the numbers and is the more marketable persona, so yeah, Dwight was the star, doesn't mean he was more important then Hedo on that team. They were the perfect duo, like a shit version of Shaq and Kobe.

Also I think Hedo was an allstar that year and he definately deserved it, don't pretend he was some nobody that only we are hyping up now to try to discredit D12.

For what it's worth, if Dwight wasn't on the team, then Hedo doesn't have the chance to hit game winners. I guess it depends on if you look at the entire game or just 1 quarter. Hedo was good that year. I think he was replaceable though.

[Nick Young]

For what it's worth, if Dwight wasn't on the team, then Hedo doesn't have the chance to hit game winners. I guess it depends on if you look at the entire game or just 1 quarter. Hedo was good that year. I think he was replaceable though.
For what its worth, if Hedo wasn't there getting Dwight easy looks and hitting those game winners in the playoffs, Dwight would never have gotten close to sniffing the finals. Dwights entire reputation is still based on that 2009 finals run.

[CanYouDigIt]

For what its worth, if Hedo wasn't there getting Dwight easy looks and hitting those game winners in the playoffs, Dwight would never have gotten close to sniffing the finals. Dwights entire reputation is still based on that 2009 finals run.
Laker fans...., I mean Kobe fans stay in so much denial. :roll:

[pegasus]

Hedo was the best playmaker and was hitting all the game winners and fourth quarter shots that year. Dwight got the numbers and is the more marketable persona, so yeah, Dwight was the star, doesn't mean he was more important then Hedo on that team. They were the perfect duo, like a shit version of Shaq and Kobe.

Also I think Hedo was an allstar that year and he definately deserved it, don't pretend he was some nobody that only we are hyping up now to try to discredit D12.

Dwight was playing like the best center in the league back then, but you are right, Hedo was the difference maker. His basketball IQ, court vision, and height made Dwight's life a lot easier. He was pretty much the only player who could consistently feed Dwight down low, and his missed layups were always easy put-backs for Dwight because of all the attention he would draw while attacking the basket.

[crisoner]

D12 talking about lack of effort

Saw this thread Title - came in to post "Irony."

That's all.

THIS

[Mr Exlax]

THIS

No thoughts on the actual lack of effort though?

[crisoner]

No thoughts on the actual lack of effort though?

Naw I just like calling the kettle black.

[Mr Exlax]

Naw I just like calling the kettle black.

Laker fan?

[YouGotServed]

Naw I just like calling the kettle black.

You mad cause Howard took a shit on the city of LA bro?

[Droid101]

There is no leadership on that team when Lin AND Parsons are out, period. Those two lead with intensity and hard work.

[Mr Exlax]

There is no leadership on that team when Lin AND Parsons are out, period. Those two lead with intensity and hard work.

IMO we still didn't play with effort when they were healthy. I've been complaining about our effort all season. There can't really be a leader if the players aren't being held accountable by the coach.