LeEfficient James is back

[inclinerator]

9/12 from the field

:rockon: :rockon:

[VIntageNOvel]

:applause:

the return of dominantwade sure makes different

[pauk]

quadruple double almost :rockon:

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Probably the greatest human being to ever grace this planet.

http://media2.policymic.com/f6b755e8d9db0fe60a11e0f30f13dab3.gif

[TheMarkMadsen]

Dem time outs doe.

Oh wait TO stands for turnovers

:yaohappy:

[Miller for 3]

Didn't he miss all of his jumpers? Only cherry picking baskets and travels? Wake me when he makes his first contested shot of the season. He's a glorified Corey Brewer, except at least Corey is money from corner 3s.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

quadruple double almost :rockon:With turnovers? :oldlol:

[pauk]

Probably the greatest human being to ever grace this planet.

http://media2.policymic.com/f6b755e8d9db0fe60a11e0f30f13dab3.gif

lol

[coin24]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


As usual LeBron is dominant... When Wade is playing, and the team is hitting there shots, and they have the lead, and hes not under any pressure whatsoever:applause: Pure dominance!!

[Miller for 3]

As usual LeBron is dominant... When Wade is playing, and the team is hitting there shots, and they have the lead, and hes not under any pressure whatsoever:applause: Pure dominance!!

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

Don't forget, Love was out and there was no HGH testing, no handchecking, defensive 3 seconds, traveling/palming/carrying was rarely called, and Wade is allowed to jump into defenders and get FTs :facepalm

And he still couldn't score 30 points :biggums: :wtf:

:facepalm

[Mr. Incredible]

:pimp:

[VIntageNOvel]

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

Don't forget, Love was out and there was no HGH testing, no handchecking, defensive 3 seconds, traveling/palming/carrying was rarely called, and Wade is allowed to jump into defenders and get FTs :facepalm

And he still couldn't score 30 points :biggums: :wtf:

:facepalm

lebron is efficient though

[ripthekik]

front runner back at work:applause:

[Pacquiao]

Right after Wade is back. When Wade was out James looks like an idiot out there

[Scholar]

Nice statline tho

[Sarcastic]

quadruple double almost :rockon:
Minutes and turnovers don't count towards a quad double.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Minutes and turnovers don't count towards a quad double.

Pretty sure he was being sarcastic...

Anyway, it was nice to see him battling for rebounds. Still gotta cut down on those TOs.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Sometimes there is players dominant and sometimes there is players efficient...

[MMM]

Dat Lefficiency for my Fantasy team

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[9erempiree]

lol @ LeEfficient is back.

We all know Lebron is an efficient player but he's not a dominant player.

There is a difference between the two.

I rather be dominant than efficient.

[MMM]

lol @ LeEfficient is back.

We all know Lebron is an efficient player but he's not a dominant player.

There is a difference between the two.

I rather be dominant than efficient.

not everybody can be dominant doe

4-5 MVPs is domifficient

[Genaro]

He really f* my fantasy with 7 TO

[9erempiree]

He really f* my fantasy with 7 TO

Lebron is not a guy mentioned when talking about all time greats.

He is in conversations when it comes to fantasy basketball.

[lakerspng]

Dat Lefficiency for my Fantasy team

:applause: :applause: :applause:

honestly though, this is why a lot of people are overwhelmingly on LeBron's jock. He may be the best fantasy basketball player ever. prior to fantasy sports and stats like per, he would not be seen as overwhelmingly number 1 as he is in today's NBA/sports world. Efficiency has always been important but not nearly to the level of emphasis it's given today.

he is an incredible talent and player, but there is something just too fabricated and planned about him, that keeps me from buying into him fully. When it really shows is in crunch time, in a tight game, when as a player you have to just say f it, and go balls to the wall, totally sell out for the win... It's not that he can't win and doesn't know how to win, it's more that he's afraid to fail, or even more to the point, to look bad when he fails.

He sure can fill up a stat sheet though.

[moe94]

honestly though, this is why a lot of people are overwhelmingly on LeBron's jock. He may be the best fantasy basketball player ever. prior to fantasy sports and stats like per, he would not be seen as overwhelmingly number 1 as he is in today's NBA/sports world. Efficiency has always been important but not nearly to the level of emphasis it's given today.=.

What the hell are you talking about? He's CLEARLY the best from a pure raw statistical standpoint, too and his individual domination is clear as day to the holy "eye test".

[9erempiree]

honestly though, this is why a lot of people are overwhelmingly on LeBron's jock. He may be the best fantasy basketball player ever. prior to fantasy sports and stats like per, he would not be seen as overwhelmingly number 1 as he is in today's NBA/sports world. Efficiency has always been important but not nearly to the level of emphasis it's given today.

he is an incredible talent and player, but there is something just too fabricated and planned about him, that keeps me from buying into him fully. When it really shows is in crunch time, in a tight game, when as a player you have to just say f it, and go balls to the wall, totally sell out for the win... It's not that he can't win and doesn't know how to win, it's more that he's afraid to fail, or even more to the point, to look bad when he fails.

He sure can fill up a stat sheet though.

Efficiency vs. Dominant

Lebron is very efficient. He just can't dominate a game. His stats look good but his team would still lose.

You have to really question what's going on. It's gotten to the point that nobody cares about him. If it wasn't for me preaching and educating nobody would even touch a Lebron thread.

[lakerspng]

What the hell are you talking about? He's CLEARLY the best from a pure raw statistical standpoint, too and his individual domination is clear as day to the holy "eye test".

yeah, stat wise he's great.

his individual domination is few and far between. I'm sorry. Go back and watch the finals, from last year for example... he's passive for 80% of the games. only in a total of 5 or 6 quarters of the games combined did he impose his will and take over. domination doesn't mean holding the ball, it means turning the tide of the game, changing the momentum, crushing your opponents hearts and will. he doesn't do that sh1T but rarely. Kobe tries to do it too much usually, Jordan found an amazing balance with it, Magic as well... Lebron not so much. Magic was far better at recognizing and changing what he was doing to take over a game and he's nowhere near the scorer that leBron is... Lebron always has been and always will be more concerned with how he looked playing on the court, than just playing his ass off win lose or draw, crappy stat sheet or not.

[MMM]

honestly though, this is why a lot of people are overwhelmingly on LeBron's jock. He may be the best fantasy basketball player ever. prior to fantasy sports and stats like per, he would not be seen as overwhelmingly number 1 as he is in today's NBA/sports world. Efficiency has always been important but not nearly to the level of emphasis it's given today.

he is an incredible talent and player, but there is something just too fabricated and planned about him, that keeps me from buying into him fully. When it really shows is in crunch time, in a tight game, when as a player you have to just say f it, and go balls to the wall, totally sell out for the win... It's not that he can't win and doesn't know how to win, it's more that he's afraid to fail, or even more to the point, to look bad when he fails.

He sure can fill up a stat sheet though.

Not saying ur wrong but the same thing can be said about Kobe as well. The truth is that winning championships usually covers up the flaws that have somewhat always existed and the same could be said about most players.

To be honest my issue with both Bron and Kobe has been their feel for the game. They are immensely talented but I wish Kobe played more unselfishly for a longer stretch of his career and wished that Bron had a more aggressive mentality but in the context of them both coming into the league as HSer it gives you some perspective on their faults.

[And1AllDay]

he is an incredible talent and player, but there is something just too fabricated and planned about him, that keeps me from buying into him fully. When it really shows is in crunch time, in a tight game, when as a player you have to just say f it, and go balls to the wall, totally sell out for the win... It's not that he can't win and doesn't know how to win, it's more that he's afraid to fail, or even more to the point, to look bad when he fails.

He sure can fill up a stat sheet though.

:biggums:

What more does he need to do? He is a proven winner, with multiple clutch plays/shots over the course of his career. I'm assuming you're not a troll because your bar isn't red, so that's why I'm taking you semi-serious.

[DuMa]

http://i.imgur.com/qmP53iN.jpg

[lakerspng]

Not saying ur wrong but the same thing can be said about Kobe as well. The truth is that winning championships usually covers up the flaws that have somewhat always existed and the same could be said about most players.

To be honest my issue with both Bron and Kobe has been their feel for the game. They are immensely talented but I wish Kobe played more unselfishly for a longer stretch of his career and wished that Bron had a more aggressive mentality but in the context of them both coming into the league as HSer it gives you some perspective on their faults.

I agree. Both have issues from the opposite spectrum. The frustrating part with Kobe for me is that he knows how to do it right, he's done it right so many times on so many occasions. His biggest problem has always been trust, sometimes it's made him great and many times it's made him fail. But I also respect his lay it all on the line, I don't give a crap if I miss a shot I'm still going to give every ounce I have even if it kills me approach more than I do LeBron's.

I can respect someone who gave everything they had and failed.

[lakerspng]

:biggums:

What more does he need to do? He is a proven winner, with multiple clutch plays/shots over the course of his career. I'm assuming you're not a troll because your bar isn't red, so that's why I'm taking you semi-serious.

He needs to take shots when they have almost no chance for success, because even the slightest chance that it might go in gives his team that much better a chance to win, even if he looks a fool doing it. and yes I'm talking about things as silly as a half court heave with 1 second on the clock before halftime... it has about a 5% chance of going in but hey... who knows what that 3 points will do if it happens to go in. He never takes that shot. Kobe does every single time. It's a total stat buster, but who really cares if it gives the team a chance for more points, right?

That's just one example of what I feel is a carefully managed, controlled and executed game plan of his. He's like a modern day corporation... all that matters is the bottom line, keep those quarterly reports looking great and you'll stay the golden boy. it just feels contrived to me. It's just a feeling I get watching him that his stats come first. that's what it means to him to be the greatest ever, is stat sheet will show it.

Jordan didn't play like that. Magic didn't, Bird didn't, KAJ didn't, Russell didn't. They played to win, win, win and win and to humiliate the opponent while doing so.

and let's be honest. the last 3 minutes of game 6 against the spurs, he had 3 very bad turnovers which gave the spurs the lead and if not for Ray Allen's 3, his legacy takes a crippling blow...

[moe94]

and let's be honest. the last 3 minutes of game 6 against the spurs, he had 3 very bad turnovers which gave the spurs the lead and if not for Ray Allen's 3, his legacy takes a crippling blow...

How is that at all relevant? You can make this same silly argument for literally every single player both in a negative and positive connotation from any random play or event throughout their careers. It's absolutely meaningless.

[lakerspng]

How is that at all relevant? You can make this same silly argument for literally every single player both in a negative and positive connotation from any random play or event throughout their careers. It's absolutely meaningless.


Yes, every great player has had bad plays, bad sequences of plays and even bad series, but... it is not meaningless. it's context. it's to a large extent due to that series that people are now calmly referring to LeBron in the all time great winners category. and he was the one that nearly lost them the series, not the one who won it.

[TheCorporation]

I get what you're saying with the half court heaves. I mean, yeah he doesn't hardly ever take them, and you're likely right that he does it to protect his FG%, but then you mention the bottom line. Winning.

Does his style not transition to winning? Is he not one of the most winningest players of all time? He has gone to the playoffs almost every single year, never been knocked out of the 1st round, 4 trips to the Finals, 3 in a row, and 2 Championships, 4 MVPs, etc. I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but come on man, LeBron James lives and breathes winning...

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I get what you're saying with the half court heaves. I mean, yeah he doesn't hardly ever take them, and you're likely right that he does it to protect his FG%, but then you mention the bottom line. Winning.

Does his style not transition to winning? Is he not one of the most winningest players of all time? He has gone to the playoffs almost every single year, never been knocked out of the 1st round, 4 trips to the Finals, 3 in a row, and 2 Championships, 4 MVPs, etc. I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but come on man, LeBron James lives and breathes winning...
/thread

[SamuraiSWISH]

World is run by dorks now. Toyota Prius over a Lambo for cool factor? SMH

[lakerspng]

I get what you're saying with the half court heaves. I mean, yeah he doesn't hardly ever take them, and you're likely right that he does it to protect his FG%, but then you mention the bottom line. Winning.

Does his style not transition to winning? Is he not one of the most winningest players of all time? He has gone to the playoffs almost every single year, never been knocked out of the 1st round, 4 trips to the Finals, 3 in a row, and 2 Championships, 4 MVPs, etc. I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but come on man, LeBron James lives and breathes winning...

It does and it doesn't. It carries him through the majority of situations but when he's faced his biggest challenges, he's often come up short. It's one thing to go through the regular season that way, he will win a lot of games, he will have sensational stats, as he has, but I think if he just said f it, threw caution to the wind and played like he's really capable, he'd already be working on his 4th or 5th ring by now. we've seen glimpses, against Detroit, Boston.... LeBron can be one of the most unstoppable forces to ever step on a court, but I think he slows himself down to maintain control, not of the game, but of his own game.

[moe94]

LeBron can be one of the most unstoppable forces to ever step on a court, but I think he slows himself down to maintain control, not of the game, but of his own game.

You're acting like this some DBZ shit where LeBron is some insane extraterrestrial that is always keeping his power in check lest the world feels the fury of his wrath.

[SamuraiSWISH]

It does and it doesn't. It carries him through the majority of situations but when he's faced his biggest challenges, he's often come up short. It's one thing to go through the regular season that way, he will win a lot of games, he will have sensational stats, as he has, but I think if he just said f it, threw caution to the wind and played like he's really capable, he'd already be working on his 4th or 5th ring by now. we've seen glimpses, against Detroit, Boston.... LeBron can be one of the most unstoppable forces to ever step on a court, but I think he slows himself down to maintain control, not of the game, but of his own game.
Dat realness.

I'm a peacock, you got to let me fly.

[plowking]

It does and it doesn't. It carries him through the majority of situations but when he's faced his biggest challenges, he's often come up short. It's one thing to go through the regular season that way, he will win a lot of games, he will have sensational stats, as he has, but I think if he just said f it, threw caution to the wind and played like he's really capable, he'd already be working on his 4th or 5th ring by now. we've seen glimpses, against Detroit, Boston.... LeBron can be one of the most unstoppable forces to ever step on a court, but I think he slows himself down to maintain control, not of the game, but of his own game.

What a crock of shit.

You're the same type that will sit here and tell us that Magic, Bird, Jordan and Kareem all had the right balance, knew how to do it, and were just better at it then Bron, simply because you don't remember anything about watching them, and only know them by their legend.

The fact is you don't remember the criticism Kareem got before coming to the Lakers, you don't remember Magic being called Tragic after a terrible finals performance and repeated failures in several crunch moments over a number of games, and Michael against Detroit coming out seemingly passive in a game 7 and hardly taking or making shots, etc.

[lakerspng]

What a crock of shit.

You're the same type that will sit here and tell us that Magic, Bird, Jordan and Kareem all had the right balance, knew how to do it, and were just better at it then Bron, simply because you don't remember anything about watching them, and only know them by their legend.

The fact is you don't remember the criticism Kareem got before coming to the Lakers, you don't remember Magic being called Tragic after a terrible finals performance and repeated failures in several crunch moments over a number of games, and Michael against Detroit coming out seemingly passive in a game 7 and hardly taking or making shots, etc.

I watched Magic through his whole career, Jordan through his whole career, Bird through his whole career, Kareem his entire career with the Lakers and they've all had short comings. But none of them held themselves back from being what they can be for the sake of their stats and appearance and that's just the feeling I get watching LeBron.

Jordan didn't get it right, not for a long time. he was a me first chucker and most people doubted if he'd ever be a winner. but when he did, he was unstoppable and he never looked back.

Magic got it from day 1. He knew what his team needed from him and from everyone else right from the get go and he was a stone cold killer on the court.

every single one of them IS better at it than Bron. That I can say without hesitation. Having watched them through their careers and now watching LeBron.... the stats are there, the heart and mind are not.

[TheCorporation]

It does and it doesn't. It carries him through the majority of situations but when he's faced his biggest challenges, he's often come up short.

Not sure if you knew this but LeBron James' 2012 Miami Heat Playoff run accomplished something that no other team has done in NBA history. He was down in 3 straight series (Indy 2-1, Boston 3-2, and OKC 1-0) and despite being behind in each series, he won the NBA Finals. It was the only time in the NBA's history in which a team was down in 3 consecutive series, and still won the Championship. Is that not a Challenge? To come back in three consecutive series and win it all? No one else has done this.

Are we talking about LeBron being faced with challenges, like when he had to beat the Pacers without Chris Bosh? The super thin, no big man having Miami Heat, sans Chris Bosh.

What about when LeBron was down 3-2 versus Boston in a crucial game six, IN Boston? Bosh is still recovering from his injury and not starting, although he is playing in this series. LeBron puts up a historic 45-15-5 on 73% And what about the decisive game seven? LeBron plays 48 minutes, scoring 31 and grabbing 12 rebounds. If playing 48 minutes in a game seven ECF game isn't putting it all on the line and giving it your all, I don't know what is.

[hawksdogsbraves]

I mean, the Wolves are pathetic without Love...

They'd better get used to it though, he's leaving as soon as he's physically able...

[lakerspng]

I didn't say every time. I stated earlier that there are times where he's shown his potential, what he's really capable of. I just wish he'd be that guy more often. Hopefully he'll find that in the next year or so, cause this league has a crap load of good to really really good players... but far too few great ones. Duncan is on his way out, Kobe is on his way out, Wade is never going to be healthy again, KG is on his way out.... LeBron's the best glimpse of real greatness in the foreseeable future and he'd rather play the numbers game 90% of the time. Some people enjoy watching that, I don't. I like watching people take risks.

dunk contest, another example. If he could guarantee that he would win, he would have entered, but because there's a chance he won't... crickets. heaven forbid LeBron James enters the dunk contest and someone else wins... nobody would really care... but he would.

[Quickening]

I didn't say every time. I stated earlier that there are times where he's shown his potential, what he's really capable of. I just wish he'd be that guy more often. Hopefully he'll find that in the next year or so, cause this league has a crap load of good to really really good players... but far too few great ones. Duncan is on his way out, Kobe is on his way out, Wade is never going to be healthy again, KG is on his way out.... LeBron's the best glimpse of real greatness in the foreseeable future and he'd rather play the numbers game 90% of the time. Some people enjoy watching that, I don't. I like watching people take risks.

dunk contest, another example. If he could guarantee that he would win, he would have entered, but because there's a chance he won't... crickets. heaven forbid LeBron James enters the dunk contest and someone else wins... nobody would really care... but he would.
You're so full of chit... Just say I don't like LeBron James because he is the best in the league, and couple's this with winning, efficiency and being a team player... Quit sprouting the rest of that crap. The dunk contest really? You don't think one of the best dunkers in the NBA and most popular player would have won it off his name alone, get real.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I didn't say every time. I stated earlier that there are times where he's shown his potential, what he's really capable of. I just wish he'd be that guy more often. Hopefully he'll find that in the next year or so, cause this league has a crap load of good to really really good players... but far too few great ones. Duncan is on his way out, Kobe is on his way out, Wade is never going to be healthy again, KG is on his way out.... LeBron's the best glimpse of real greatness in the foreseeable future and he'd rather play the numbers game 90% of the time. Some people enjoy watching that, I don't. I like watching people take risks.

dunk contest, another example. If he could guarantee that he would win, he would have entered, but because there's a chance he won't... crickets. heaven forbid LeBron James enters the dunk contest and someone else wins... nobody would really care... but he would.
This site crashed because he got blocked in an all star game.

[lakerspng]

I don't care about LeBron James either way: I'm neutral on him, don't love him or hate him. There are a lot of players in the league I find more interesting and exciting to watch.

LeBron may have won the dunk contest, but he may not have. His image wouldn't allow for that chance. He almost always makes the safe choice.

[lakerspng]

This site crashed because he got blocked in an all star game.

that's just message board posters being stupid. an average sports fan on the street would never give a crap if he didn't win a dunk contest that he entered.

[Quickening]

I don't care about LeBron James either way: I'm neutral on him, don't love him or hate him. There are a lot of players in the league I find more interesting and exciting to watch.

LeBron may have won the dunk contest, but he may not have. His image wouldn't allow for that chance. He almost always makes the safe choice.

Leaving Cleveland and doing the decision was the "safe choice" for his image? :lol

[TheCorporation]

This site crashed because he got blocked in an all star game.

:roll: :roll:

[lakerspng]

Leaving Cleveland and doing the decision was the "safe choice" for his image? :lol

yeah it was absolutely the safe choice for a lot of reasons.

Lebron stays in Cleveland, puts up 15 season of 27/7/7 and never wins a title because management can't put the pieces together to put a championship team on the floor... how's that image go down in the history books?

LeBron takes less money (concerned about winning) to go to another city and set aside his personal glory to join a team of all stars (winning is all that maters, not ego) and wins multiple titles (he's now an all time great because he's a winner)

so which is the safe choice?

[TheCorporation]

yeah it was absolutely the safe choice for a lot of reasons.

Lebron stays in Cleveland, puts up 15 season of 27/7/7 and never wins a title because management can't put the pieces together to put a championship team on the floor... how's that image go down in the history books?

LeBron takes less money (concerned about winning) to go to another city and set aside his personal glory to join a team of all stars (winning is all that maters, not ego) and wins multiple titles (he's now an all time great because he's a winner)

so which is the safe choice?

You're not mentioning the fact that to many fans he "betrayed" Cleveland, and went to another team in HOPES that he would win it all.

That isn't a risk, to you? Leaving the team that drafted you, the place where you grew up (Akron, Ohio) to hopefully win titles? I remember in 2011 when the Miami Heat were 9-8 and everyone was questioning the team's potential. Was this a mistake? Were they deep enough? Could they get it done?

How's that for taking a risk. Not to mention in 2011 they were pretty much labeled as "Finals appearance or bust" and a lot of teams that play together for the first year don't get it done. Nets are the first team that comes to mind, with their very much "win now" team set up. The Rockets now have Harden, D12, Lin/Parsons together for their Big 2.5 (lol) are they expected to make a Finals appearance or bust? Nope. But LBJ is and always will no matter which team he goes to. So you see, he WAS taking a big risk by leaving Cleveland.

[lakerspng]

You're not mentioning the fact that to many fans he "betrayed" Cleveland, and went to another team in HOPES that he would win it all.

That isn't a risk, to you? Leaving the team that drafted you, the place where you grew up (Akron, Ohio) to hopefully win titles? I remember in 2011 when the Miami Heat were 9-8 and everyone was questioning the team's potential. Was this a mistake? Were they deep enough? Could they get it done?

How's that for taking a risk. Not to mention in 2011 they were pretty much labeled as "Finals appearance or bust" and a lot of teams that play together for the first year don't get it done. Nets are the first team that comes to mind, with their very much "win now" team set up. The Rockets now have Harden, D12, Lin/Parsons together for their Big 2.5 (lol) are they expected to make a Finals appearance or bust? Nope. But LBJ is and always will no matter which team he goes to. So you see, he WAS taking a big risk by leaving Cleveland.

of course it was A risk, but weighing the two options, which had a higher chance for success? staying in cleveland where he'd been waiting for them to put together a strong team unsuccessfully for 7-8 seasons or going to Miami with 2 other stars in their prime, with Pat Reilly as the GM?

If the standard for an all time great is winning a ring, which city/situation had a greater risk of LeBron retiring without one? Miami or Cleveland?

He was taking a risk, but the chance for reward was far greater. It was a calculated risk, which I'm sure he and his people weighed heavily before making the decision and which turned out to be a very successful choice for him.

Staying in Cleveland was the real risk. Risk being Barkley and not Jordan.

[Quickening]

of course it was A risk, but weighing the two options, which had a higher chance for success? staying in cleveland where he'd been waiting for them to put together a strong team unsuccessfully for 7-8 seasons or going to Miami with 2 other stars in their prime, with Pat Reilly as the GM?

If the standard for an all time great is winning a ring, which city/situation had a greater risk of LeBron retiring without one? Miami or Cleveland?

He was taking a risk, but the chance for reward was far greater. It was a calculated risk, which I'm sure he and his people weighed heavily before making the decision and which turned out to be a very successful choice for him.

Staying in Cleveland was the real risk. Risk being Barkley and not Jordan.

What do you want him to do? Rape someone, cheat on his wife, become a chitty father/gambling addict so he doesn't this clean cut image? You're reaching.

[lakerspng]

What do you want him to do? Rape someone, cheat on his wife, become a chitty father/gambling addict so he doesn't this clean cut image? You're reaching.

No, just want him to play basketball. Would love to see him actually reach his true potential... which I don't think he has yet.

I don't think Kobe has either, but his window is really close to closed... would be great to see him reach it in this last couple years before he retires..

and for both I'm talking about the mental side of their games, not the physical side.

I like to watch greatness.

[TheCorporation]

of course it was A risk, but weighing the two options, which had a higher chance for success? staying in cleveland where he'd been waiting for them to put together a strong team unsuccessfully for 7-8 seasons or going to Miami with 2 other stars in their prime, with Pat Reilly as the GM?


So, by your logic, he should've stayed with the worse team. He should've stayed with the team that had a lower chance of (after all, he DID give them a solid seven years to get a TEAM together) winning it all.

So every player should request a trade to the Jazz or Kings? Funny, I don't see many players doing this...?

[lakerspng]

So, by your logic, he should've stayed with the worse team. He should've stayed with the team that had a lower chance of (after all, he DID give them a solid seven years to get a TEAM together) winning it all.

So every player should request a trade to the Jazz or Kings? Funny, I don't see many players doing this...?

I was just responding to someone using him going to Miami as an example of not making the safe choice which I disagree with. I believe it was a much safer choice. I didn't say I disagree wih his choice

[Quickening]

I was just responding to someone using him going to Miami as an example of not making the safe choice which I disagree with. I believe it was a much safer choice. I didn't say I disagree wih his choice

Actually you went off on a tangent... You said he never takes risks with his image. I then responded with doing the "decision" was a massive risk to his image, and for a few year he was a figure of hatred and ridicule, both were true.

If he didn't broadcast it on tv he wouldn't have got as big a backlash from the media/fans alike.

[And1AllDay]

I was just responding to someone using him going to Miami as an example of not making the safe choice which I disagree with. I believe it was a much safer choice. I didn't say I disagree wih his choice

I don't think safer is the right word, here. Unless you have an agenda. Smarter, yes. Wiser, yes. Better, yes. But I can't fault the guy for making the best decision for himself. As mentioned above, should James have chosen to go the the Kings, so he can be "dangerous and mysterious" and please your propensity of wanting "unsafe" decisions being made by NBA players? Is that the basis in which we determine a players success now? How dangerous and mysterious and unsafe they were during their career?

Kobe was very unsafe. :rolleyes: Stayed in Los Angeles his entire career. LOL

[Quizno]

I get what you're saying with the half court heaves. I mean, yeah he doesn't hardly ever take them, and you're likely right that he does it to protect his FG%, but then you mention the bottom line. Winning.

Does his style not transition to winning? Is he not one of the most winningest players of all time? He has gone to the playoffs almost every single year, never been knocked out of the 1st round, 4 trips to the Finals, 3 in a row, and 2 Championships, 4 MVPs, etc. I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but come on man, LeBron James lives and breathes winning...
my god don't do 'em like that. don't preach that. end the thread right there ladies and gentlemen god damn :oldlol:

you can't say anything about a winner

[Andrei89]

I get what you're saying with the half court heaves. I mean, yeah he doesn't hardly ever take them, and you're likely right that he does it to protect his FG%, but then you mention the bottom line. Winning.

Does his style not transition to winning? Is he not one of the most winningest players of all time? He has gone to the playoffs almost every single year, never been knocked out of the 1st round, 4 trips to the Finals, 3 in a row, and 2 Championships, 4 MVPs, etc. I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but come on man, LeBron James lives and breathes winning...

:bowdown: :bowdown:

Dat preach

/thread

[STATUTORY]

last playoffs should have crystallized to everyone that LEbron is a front runner. He's excellent at feeding off the positive energy from his teammates when they are in momentum. But when they are behind and need a catalyst, he cannot turn the tide with his own play, he needs other players like Allen, Chalmers to hit that three and be the spark for the comeback.

[Vertical-24]

The Human Cheat-Code. The guy is literally a 2K MyPlayer.

[asdf1990]

last playoffs should have crystallized to everyone that LEbron is a front runner. He's excellent at feeding off the positive energy from his teammates when they are in momentum. But when they are behind and need a catalyst, he cannot turn the tide with his own play, he needs other players like Allen, Chalmers to hit that three and be the spark for the comeback.

but in game 6 he was the one who brought them back in the fourth with wade and bosh on the bench while shutting down tony parker, so wouldn't ray allen be the front runner according to you?

Greatest game 7 performer in league history. One of the greatest elimination player in league history, he has had some of the most clutch games in playoff history so I don't get how he is a front runner?

[SpecialQue]

The Lebron hate is fvcking retarded at this point. People need to admit "he's a great basketball player, I just personally don't like him." They need to do that about Kobe, too. Lebron and Kobe are both proven winners who don't need to prove shit to anybody right now. It's basically fanboys bickering over stats and looking like jackasses. Is it that hard to give credit it where it's due and just admit that your bias is strictly a personal preference?

[xoracle55]

Stop indulging these idiots!

James will and can never do right according to these low IQ posters.. Smh.

[Nash]

I love that Lebron gets hate because he's too efficient. :lol :lol That is some weird shit going on.

[Eric Cartman]

I love that Lebron gets hate because he's too efficient. :lol :lol That is some weird shit going on.

How in the world can being efficient be hated on?

Poster like 9empiree are just highlighting his amazing efficiency which hasn't been reached by anyone in basketball.

Stop being so self conscious and accept Lebron James for what he is: The most efficient player basketball has ever seeing.

It's the one quality that separates him from everybody that has ever played the game. He's living that Adrian Dantley life.

[coin24]

I love that Lebron gets hate because he's too efficient. :lol :lol That is some weird shit going on.

Whatever you say pauk:oldlol:

[branslowski]

9-12fg? Prime DeAndre Jordan shooting numbers.:applause:

[branslowski]

The Lebron hate is fvcking retarded at this point. People need to admit "he's a great basketball player, I just personally don't like him." They need to do that about Kobe, too. Lebron and Kobe are both proven winners who don't need to prove shit to anybody right now. It's basically fanboys bickering over stats and looking like jackasses. Is it that hard to give credit it where it's due and just admit that your bias is strictly a personal preference?

Who's hating? No one said LeBron sucks or that he shouldn't be efficient, nor that It's wrong. Top players in the league is gunnin for that FG% title, like Drummond and Jordan. Yea, LeBron hasn't been dominant, but so what, he's being efficient.

[RRR3]

Who's hating? No one said LeBron sucks or that he shouldn't be efficient, nor that It's wrong. Top players in the league is gunnin for that FG% title, like Drummond and Jordan. Yea, LeBron hasn't been dominant, but so what, he's being efficient.
Saying LeBron James isn't dominant is hating

[Dave3]

Saying LeBron James isn't dominant is hating
It's not hating, it's just factually wrong. Hating is saying "yeah but he's playing with great players" or "yeah, but this was against the TWolves without their best player." That's hating - admitting the truth but throwing in a caveat as to why it's not as impressive as everyone thinks.

Saying he isn't dominant is just dumb. Or trolling.

As for "he's playing well only because Wade is back" - I wonder where those people were when he was averaging 30 ppg and had a 16-1 record without Wade 2 seasons ago...

[RRR3]

It's not hating, it's just factually wrong. Hating is saying "yeah but he's playing with great players" or "yeah, but this was against the TWolves without their best player." That's hating - admitting the truth but throwing in a caveat as to why it's not as impressive as everyone thinks.

Saying he isn't dominant is just dumb. Or trolling.

As for "he's playing well only because Wade is back" - I wonder where those people were when he was averaging 30 ppg and had a 16-1 record without Wade 2 seasons ago...
:cheers:

How have you been dude?

[moe94]

Yea, LeBron hasn't been dominant, but so what, he's being efficient.

I understand your point, though. 26/6/6 on 60% shooting as a SF happens every year. Nothing extraordinary.

[Dave3]

:cheers:

How have you been dude?
I've been good man. I'm still around and occasionally reading, just don't bother with posting much anymore. Mostly from threads like this.

[inclinerator]

we need to be tazb and faptarophe back

[branslowski]

I understand your point, though. 25/6/6 on 59.1% shooting as a SF happens every year. Nothing extraordinary.

Fixed for truth.

That's the point, he's been EFFICIENT but not DOMINANT. Look, take away the Efficient part (59%) and you have 25-6-6...Great numbers ofcource, All time Great numbers for a career, but for 1 regular season being labeled as Dominate? Not so much. Kobe avg 27-6-6 last season and I wouldn't even call that dominant. So how is 25-6-6 dominant? Only 1 30-5-5 game this season? Close games to garbage East teams and still not taking over and scoring less than 30?...

Again, he's efficient, but not dominant. Dominant for LeBron would be him avg 30-7-7 52% 2stl 1.8blks and num 1 record in the East.

[Legends66NBA7]

I can't even believe were having semantics debates over dominance. It's clear by reading this thread (:facepalm) that some you don't even know what dominance is.


Fixed for truth.

That's the point, he's been EFFICIENT but not DOMINANT. Look, take away the Efficient part (59%) and you have 25-6-6...Great numbers ofcource, All time Great numbers for a career, but for 1 regular season being labeled as Dominate? Not so much. Kobe avg 27-6-6 last season and I wouldn't even call that dominant. So how is 25-6-6 dominant? Only 1 30-5-5 game this season? Close games to garbage East teams and still not taking over and scoring less than 30?...

Again, he's efficient, but not dominant. Dominant for LeBron would be him avg 30-7-7 52% 2stl 1.8blks and num 1 record in the East.

^Case in point.

[Eric Cartman]

Fixed for truth.

That's the point, he's been EFFICIENT but not DOMINANT. Look, take away the Efficient part (59%) and you have 25-6-6...Great numbers ofcource, All time Great numbers for a career, but for 1 regular season being labeled as Dominate? Not so much. Kobe avg 27-6-6 last season and I wouldn't even call that dominant. So how is 25-6-6 dominant? Only 1 30-5-5 game this season? Close games to garbage East teams and still not taking over and scoring less than 30?...

Again, he's efficient, but not dominant. Dominant for LeBron would be him avg 30-7-7 52% 2stl 1.8blks and num 1 record in the East.

You are brilliant :applause:

[branslowski]

I can't even believe were having semantics debates over dominance. It's clear by reading this thread (:facepalm) that some you don't even know what dominance is.



^Case in point.

So you think LeBron's been dominant this season? If you think so, then what has he dominated BESIDES fg% padding taking Patrick Ewing, McHale, DeAndre Jordan type shots? 9/12??? Dwight Howard-esque.

[Legends66NBA7]

You are brilliant :applause:

So Bryant didn't dominate last year ? Is this what Laker fans really believe ?

[Legends66NBA7]

So you think LeBron's been dominant this season? If you think so

It's not a think, he has been dominant. James has been a dominant player since his second season in the league.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Amazing how Kobe stans can't get over the fact LeBron is a better player than Kobe ever was.

[russwest0]

Amazing how Kobe stans can't get over the fact LeBron is a better player than Kobe ever was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iY9HjNWbJvA

[Nash]

Drummond leads the league in FG at 63% and he's a big and all of his shots are around the rim and he averages 13ppg. Lebron averages just 3% less and is a perimeter player who averages 26ppg.

Hate as much as you want, but that right there is amazing.

[russwest0]

Drummond leads the league in FG at 63% and he's a big and all of his shots are around the rim and he averages 13ppg. Lebron averages just 3% less and is a perimeter player who averages 26ppg.

Hate as much as you want, but that right there is amazing.

They've played 2 teams with winning records.. Nothing is amazing about that. So LeBron is in the class of DeAndre Jordan and Drummond. You want us to cream our fcking pants?

Get real playboy

[branslowski]

LeBron 2 games over 20fga this year...11 games under 15fga...protecting that fg%:applause:

[branslowski]

It's not a think, he has been dominant. James has been a dominant player since his second season in the league.

Talking bout this season.:facepalm

[TheCorporation]

last playoffs should have crystallized to everyone that LEbron is a front runner. He's excellent at feeding off the positive energy from his teammates when they are in momentum. But when they are behind and need a catalyst, he cannot turn the tide with his own play, he needs other players like Allen, Chalmers to hit that three and be the spark for the comeback.

I recommend you watch Game 7 of the 2013 NBA Finals. A game in which LeBron James of the Miami Heat was a "catalyst" who was forced to "turn the tide with his own play" while playing against the dynasty team that is the San Antonio Spurs. I can only assume you haven't watched it, based on the post above.

[TheCorporation]

I love that Lebron gets hate because he's too efficient. :lol :lol That is some weird shit going on.

LeBron shouldn't score 26 ppg on 15.4 shots per game! He should score 28 on 23 shots per game lol

[Nash]

They've played 2 teams with winning records.. Nothing is amazing about that. So LeBron is in the class of DeAndre Jordan and Drummond. You want us to cream our fcking pants?

Get real playboy
Yeah sure, let's forget that Lebron just came off a 56% and that this 60% in his ballpark. Also let's forget about the fact that Drummond and Deandre Jordan are big men scoring low points while Lebron is a perimeter player scoring 26ppg.

Sure russwest, that is exactly the same.

[TheCorporation]

9-12fg? Prime DeAndre Jordan shooting numbers.:applause:

I know you troll a lot about this, but let me put something into perspective for you. That way you will learn something, and understand what we are talking about. I will use the data to post simple statistics, so that you can comprehend.

The word of the day is Volume, brought to you by Taco Bell, live mas.

LeBron James scores 25.5 points on 15.4 attempts per game. He is a volume scorer, and the number one option on his team.

DeAndre Jordan scores 9.9 points on 6.5 attempts per game. He is not a volume scorer, nor the number one option on his team.

LeBron James shoots the ball more than double that of DeAndre Jordan.
LeBron James scores more than double that of DeAndre Jordan.

Thus, LeBron James is still efficient, while shooting at a much higher volume than DeAndre Jordan.

LeBron James is the #3 scorer in the league, while shooting a high volume.

DeAndre Jordan is the #107 scorer in the league; he does not shoot at a high volume.

3 =/= 107

[Nash]

I know you troll a lot about this, but let me put something into perspective for you. That way you will learn something, and understand what we are talking about. I will use the data to post simple statistics, so that you can comprehend.

The word of the day is Volume, brought to you by Taco Bell, live mas.

LeBron James scores 25.5 points on 15.4 attempts per game. He is a volume scorer, and the number one option on his team.

DeAndre Jordan scores 9.9 points on 6.5 attempts per game. He is not a volume scorer, nor the number one option on his team.

LeBron James shoots the ball more than double that of DeAndre Jordan.
LeBron James scores more than double that of DeAndre Jordan.

Thus, LeBron James is still efficient, while shooting at a much higher volume than DeAndre Jordan.

LeBron James is the #3 scorer in the league, while shooting a high volume.

DeAndre Jordan is the #107 scorer in the league; he does not shoot at a high volume.

3 =/= 107
And that ladies and gentlemen, is how you end a discussion.