"Fans know nothing about basketball" - Barkley.. Dude is correct

[CeltsGarlic]

http://youtu.be/Hucuugxging?t=1m40s

I mean, Im pretty sure that at least 99% of the posters know shit about the real basketball, cause all you can do is to compare players, when you, freaking dumbasses, do not even include who coached a guy :lol

I would sincerely like to know if there is at least one guy with who I could have a solid discussion about plays, strategies, situations etc.

[kNIOKAS]

Mike D'Antony.

[USABall]

http://youtu.be/Hucuugxging?t=1m40s

I mean, Im pretty sure that at least 99% of the posters know shit about the real basketball, cause all you can do is to compare players, when you, freaking dumbasses, do not even include who coached a guy :lol

I would sincerely like to know if there is at least one guy with who I could have a solid discussion about plays, strategies, situations etc.


I wish there was more discussion about that, especially by people older than me who got to see the strategy of past players and systems.

[Theoo]

:facepalm: that just nice way say that realgm fan dont not know a shits about basketballs . barkley know that forums full retarts with none brain . i FK** GUARANTEE TO YOU that barkley is member to these forums. and i have suspicion that person is.. so dont fk** say that insidehoop dont nokw what your talk about becuse it probably fk ** barkley that make some thhese thred man . dont EVER compare to us to earlgm or i well punch your fk** face

[CeltsGarlic]

:facepalm: that just nice way say that realgm fan dont not know a shits about basketballs . barkley know that forums full retarts with none brain . i FK** GUARANTEE TO YOU that barkley is member to these forums. and i have suspicion that person is.. so dont fk** say that insidehoop dont nokw what your talk about becuse it probably fk ** barkley that make some thhese thred man . dont EVER compare to us to earlgm or i well punch your fk** face

point taken point taken.

[chips93]

I would sincerely like to know if there is at least one guy with who I could have a solid discussion about plays, strategies, situations etc.

i dont think there is man, you're just that much smarter than everybody else on the board

i dont know why you even waste your precious time on us plebs

:rolleyes:

[CeltsGarlic]

i dont think there is man, you're just that much smarter than everybody else on the board

i dont know why you even waste your precious time on us plebs

:rolleyes:

Ironic or not, but you clearly dont know me.

Looking at the nba forum, the only things that are interesting are awesome old highlights or someones comments on players I havent seen play. Thats it.
rest is BS.
Thats where from all my generalizations come from.

[chips93]

Ironic or not, but you clearly dont know me.

Looking at the nba forum, the only things that are interesting are awesome old highlights or someones comments on players I havent seen play. Thats it.
rest is BS.
Thats where from all my generalizations come from.

why dont you make some interesting threads then?



there are plnety of good posters, particlarly in the game threads, that like to talk strategy, and the finer nuances of the game.

[b1imtf]

why dont you make some interesting threads then?



there are plnety of good posters, particlarly in the game threads, that like to talk strategy, and the finer nuances of the game.
:applause:

[Asukal]

Ironic or not, but you clearly dont know me.

Looking at the nba forum, the only things that are interesting are awesome old highlights or someones comments on players I havent seen play. Thats it.
rest is BS.
Thats where from all my generalizations come from.

Tell us again how awesome you are.... :rolleyes:

[CeltsGarlic]

why dont you make some interesting threads then?



there are plnety of good posters, particlarly in the game threads, that like to talk strategy, and the finer nuances of the game.

I did.. lemme find some examples.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=293614

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=316538 (had millions of those threads)

Maan still searching for the real life play with pics thread that I made years ago..

No search function...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=310301 (this one was a good one but I failed with some mistakes)

[Psileas]

http://youtu.be/Hucuugxging?t=1m40s

I mean, Im pretty sure that at least 99% of the posters know shit about the real basketball, cause all you can do is to compare players, when you, freaking dumbasses, do not even include who coached a guy :lol

I would sincerely like to know if there is at least one guy with who I could have a solid discussion about plays, strategies, situations etc.

Heh, no wonder you're European. American fans do love basketball, but their approach is way too individualistic to be willing to talk about strategies. Here, let me paste here the Yahoo headlines from each of yesterday's games:

-Hamilton's late 3s lift Nuggets by 76ers
-Irving bounces back as Cavs top Clippers
-Jennings helps Pistons win fourth in row
-James' 14 rebounds help Heat down Wolves
-Thompson has 30 as Warriors beat Memphis
-Lopez scores 32 as Nets beat Bucks 90-82
-Pacers snap 11-game skid to Spurs
-Cousins, Thomas help Kings end skid at 6
-Mavs beat Blazers on Ellis' hoop at :00

Compare this to the headlines from reports from the last Euroleague games:

-Partizan muscles to stay-alive victory against Budivelnik
-Fenerbahce Ulker tightens its grip on first place with win in Moscow
-Barcelona's gets fifth straight win and revenge against Nanterre
-Real Madrid clinched top spot in Group B with win in Milan
-Strasbourg beats Zalgiris on Campbell's buzzer-beater
-Furious Bamberg rally downs Efes in Istanbul
-Viggiano does it again, lifts Montepaschi past Zielona Gora
-Galatasaray Liv Hospital wins, grabs Top 16 spot
-Undefeated Olympiacos outlasts Munich in high-scoring thriller
-Maccabi escapes late to reach Top 16 and lead group!
-Laboral Kutxa lands in Top 16 after dropping L. Rytas
-Panathinaikos KOs Zvezda, breaks into Top 16

Note how the only time Yahoo isn't concentrated on an individual is when it's talking about 2 of the best teams in the league and the only times Euroleague is concentrated on an individual concern 2 of the weakest EL teams.

That's not to say that per average Europeans love basketball more (or even equally), but they will be more able and willing to talk about strategies and realize why they do or don't work. Europeans only care about their team playing well and winning, they don't care much if their favorite players perform great but the team doesn't.

[jstern]

I agree with Barkley 100%. But it goes beyond basketball. Humans are so limited in the information that they have on any given subject, not to mention the limited human IQ which can only evaluate and put together a limited amount of facts, that's nothing compared to the whole big picture and reality. Yet everybody on the internet talk about everything as if they were experts. Even on things that they just heard about for the first time.

[chips93]

2 of those 3 had nothing to do with strategy, and the one that did might have been good had it made any sense, or had the requisite detail.

i dont know where you got this sense of entitlement from :confusedshrug:

maybe if you got your head out of your ass, you'd see there are some really knowledgeable posters on the board :cheers:

[Eric Cartman]

Are we really gonna ignore the RealGM mention?

[CeltsGarlic]

2 of those 3 had nothing to do with strategy, and the one that did might have been good had it made any sense, or had the requisite detail.

i dont know where you got this sense of entitlement from :confusedshrug:

maybe if you got your head out of your ass, you'd see there are some really knowledgeable posters on the board :cheers:

Well, to be fair I was talking not only about strategy and coaching orentiated stuff, but overall quality of the threads.

Plays and strategy are still my priority, and yes,I didnt finish that thread because my own mistakes. I will make more next summer when I meet this coach again. Believe me, watching basketball with someone who knows every god damn play, cut, everything and more about basketball.. Even defense looks like something I could listen for hours..



And Psileas :applause: :applause:
so true, even if I kind of didnt want this thread originally to head this way :lol

[Dresta]

I agree with Barkley 100%. But it goes beyond basketball. Humans are so limited in the information that they have on any given subject, not to mention the limited human IQ which can only evaluate and put together a limited amount of facts, that's nothing compared to the whole big picture and reality. Yet everybody on the internet talk about everything as if they were experts. Even on things that they just heard about for the first time.
:roll:

The human mind can comprehend the intricacies of basketball dude...

[jstern]

:roll:

The human mind can comprehend the intricacies of basketball dude...

The human mind cannot juggle a bunch of things together at the same time and they're missing a lot of a the big picture when it comes to everything. For example you didn't understand my point. That's why the vast opinions of people are useless.

[chips93]

The human mind cannot juggle a bunch of things together at the same time and they're missing a lot of a the big picture when it comes to everything. For example you didn't understand my point. That's why the vast opinions of people are useless.

there arent that many things going on on a basketball court, plus is pretty easy to pause and rewind, to see where the breakdown occurs.

or maybe its just me, most games i watch are cavs games, and there is little off ball movement to follow

[CeltsGarlic]

there arent that many things going on on a basketball court, plus is pretty easy to pause and rewind, to see where the breakdown occurs.

or maybe its just me, most games i watch are cavs games, and there is little off ball movement to follow

Why do you think that? Just because coach nick said so?

[Bigsmoke]

We don't get paid watching basketball all day like he does

[moe94]

The human mind cannot juggle a bunch of things together at the same time and they're missing a lot of a the big picture when it comes to everything. For example you didn't understand my point. That's why the vast opinions of people are useless.

If you're not being ironic, you're absolutely hilarious in the worst way.

[chips93]

Why do you think that? Just because coach nick said so?

theres 10 guys on the court, and in most instances 4 of those guys are pretty much stationary, spacing the floor

theres a pretty finite amount of interactions going on, on the court at one time

who is coach nick?

[Bigsmoke]

theres 10 guys on the court, and in most instances 4 of those guys are pretty much stationary, spacing the floor

theres a pretty finite amount of interactions going on, on the court at one time

who is coach nick?

Nick is that bbal breakdown guy.

[Grinder]

why dont you make some interesting threads then?



there are plnety of good posters, particlarly in the game threads, that like to talk strategy, and the finer nuances of the game.

Agreed. Just use the ignore list and sift through the bullshit and you'll find plenty of guys that like to discuss the Xs and Os of the game. OP, trying to call out the entire forum while portraying yourself as some higher authority on the game with no qualification to back it up is comical. You're doing nothing to help the discussion and essentially are no different from the trolls since the premise of this thread is inflammatory and meant to bait.

[jstern]

there arent that many things going on on a basketball court, plus is pretty easy to pause and rewind, to see where the breakdown occurs.

or maybe its just me, most games i watch are cavs games, and there is little off ball movement to follow

This is what I'm talking about, where people get pretty confident in their ability from the limited things that they consume with their senses at any given moment.

My comment was about more than basketball. But if we're talking about basketball, I'm talking about even things that went on before the game. Like strategies and game plans of what a team is trying to accomplish, the teams whole playbook, or how a player is feeling. And just being in the locker room 24/7 and the chemistry with every individual in the whole team. People are so quick to judge with their limited knowledge about so much more than what they see on the court.

And how many people are rewinding? How much of the past hour of the game can a person recall and put it all together with everything that has happened during that hour (every play), with their limited knowledge of the teams playbook.

This is not a criticism about basketball fans, but just people in general. As soon as people stop being so arrogant about judging things and realize that they don't know most of what's going on with everyone outside of themselves, the better they would be. People also get completely clouded by their refusal to be wrong or fanboyism, or because they are routing for one team.

I remember a few years ago Ray Allen missing a three that hit the rim but it looked like it could have also not hit it. But we know that it hit the rim because the rotation of the ball changed. Yet we had so many people that wanted I guess Boston to lose that they just complete refuse to accept the clear slow motion evidence. They picked a side that they desperately wanted to be true, they argued for, and when shown clear evidence they refused to accept it.

These people were clearly weak, but they still expressed a human emotion that's in almost every single person. Not to that extreme, but it's one of the factors that clouds people judgment. Arrogance. I can talk about this all day but I'll stop.

[STATUTORY]

This is what I'm talking about, where people get pretty confident in their ability from the limited things that they consume with their senses at any given moment.

My comment was about more than basketball. But if we're talking about basketball, I'm talking about even things that went on before the game. Like strategies and game plans of what a team is trying to accomplish, the teams whole playbook, or how a player is feeling. And just being in the locker room 24/7 and the chemistry with every individual in the whole team. People are so quick to judge with their limited knowledge about so much more than what they see on the court.

And how many people are rewinding? How much of the past hour of the game can a person recall and put it all together with everything that has happened during that hour, with their limited knowledge of the teams playbook.

This is not a criticism about basketball fans, but just people in general. As soon as people stop being so arrogant about judging things and realize that they don't know most of what's going on with everyone outside of themselves, the better they would be. People also get completely clouded by their refusal to be wrong or fanboyism, or because they are routing for one team.

I remember a few years ago Ray Allen missing a three that hit the rim but it looked like it could have also not hit it. But we know that it hit the rim because the rotation of the ball changed. Yet we had so many people that wanted I guess Boston to lose that they just complete refuse to accept the clear slow motion evidence. The picked a side that they desperately wanted to be true, they argued it, and when shown clear evidence they refused to accept it.

These people were clearly weak, but they still expressed a human emotion that's in almost every single person. Not to that extreme, but it's one of the factors that clouds people judgment. Arrogance. I can talk about this all day but I'll stop.

you don't sense any bit of irony in what you are saying? :facepalm

[chips93]

This is what I'm talking about, where people get pretty confident in their ability from the limited things that they consume with their senses at any given moment.

My comment was about more than basketball. But if we're talking about basketball, I'm talking about even things that went on before the game. Like strategies and game plans of what a team is trying to accomplish, the teams whole playbook, or how a player is feeling. And just being in the locker room 24/7 and the chemistry with every individual in the whole team. People are so quick to judge with their limited knowledge about so much more than what they see on the court.

And how many people are rewinding? How much of the past hour of the game can a person recall and put it all together with everything that has happened during that hour (every play), with their limited knowledge of the teams playbook.

This is not a criticism about basketball fans, but just people in general. As soon as people stop being so arrogant about judging things and realize that they don't know most of what's going on with everyone outside of themselves, the better they would be. People also get completely clouded by their refusal to be wrong or fanboyism, or because they are routing for one team.

I remember a few years ago Ray Allen missing a three that hit the rim but it looked like it could have also not hit it. But we know that it hit the rim because the rotation of the ball changed. Yet we had so many people that wanted I guess Boston to lose that they just complete refuse to accept the clear slow motion evidence. They picked a side that they desperately wanted to be true, they argued for, and when shown clear evidence they refused to accept it.

These people were clearly weak, but they still expressed a human emotion that's in almost every single person. Not to that extreme, but it's one of the factors that clouds people judgment. Arrogance. I can talk about this all day but I'll stop.

yeah, you're talking about much much bigger picture things than me

i just mean, that on a play-by-play basis, its not difficult to see where the defensive breakdown occurs, and why a player got open.

[CeltsGarlic]

i just mean, that on a play-by-play basis, its not difficult to see where the defensive breakdown occurs, and why a player got open.

http://youtu.be/SAkVnlA9CJo?t=4m27s

watch this and please, please, never post again.

[chips93]

http://youtu.be/SAkVnlA9CJo?t=4m27s

watch this

:( i thought it would be something worthwhile. im not gonna waste my time watching first take.


and please, please, never post again.

wow, you butthurt

[0000000]

Of course fans don't know much about basketball. Especially those who have never played. There are people who have played the game. Then there are people who have played it at an NBA level.
I always frown upon those who try to analyze the game using math and stats. Such a ridiculous way.
Basketball is a rytham game. So similar to dancing in a lot of ways. It's something you must feel. Those that have never played the game can't feel it. Those who have never played at an NBA level can't feel it as much as those who did.

For example, I remember when all Laker fans hated Odom yet he was always the favorite for all of his teammates to play with. They loved playing with him. He made it easier for his teammates. Fans had no way of feeling that and noticing that.
D

So many people who have never played can't notice some of the basics, the way the olayer drives for example. Does he handle the ball below his knees. Ar his shoulder lower than the shoulder of his defender. Does the ballhandler dance with the ball etc. So many stuff, fans have no idea about.

[Darius]

Players know about the "tactics" of basketball but most of them (including Barkley) seem to know little about the grander strategy of putting a team together and organizing them.

It's like saying the guys putting the cars together know more than the CEOs. They probably do about some things but their focus is too narrow.

[ZMonkey11]

:facepalm: that just nice way say that realgm fan dont not know a shits about basketballs . barkley know that forums full retarts with none brain . i FK** GUARANTEE TO YOU that barkley is member to these forums. and i have suspicion that person is.. so dont fk** say that insidehoop dont nokw what your talk about becuse it probably fk ** barkley that make some thhese thred man . dont EVER compare to us to earlgm or i well punch your fk** face

The **** did I just read?:biggums:

[jstern]

The **** did I just read?:biggums:
He's one of the more knowledgeable poster in ish, as you can see by all his green bars. I respect what he said.

[NumberSix]

Kobe Stans runined basketball.

[CeltsGarlic]

:( i thought it would be something worthwhile. im not gonna waste my time watching first take.





Ahh, you really missing a lot. Not the show, obviously which is the biggest trash ever I agree, but, man, Cuban said some awesome things about fans and sports media..