Dominique Wilkins: Kobe Bryant in his prime better all around player than Lebron

[ripthekik]

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/49529

Another day, another legend that recognizes Kobe over Lebron. Nothing new.:confusedshrug:

[Jameerthefear]

too bad he's not.

[ZMonkey11]

Cool ESPN interview bro.

[ripthekik]

too bad he's not.
Yes, I will take a 14 year old teen from Alabama who watches child porn cartoon's opinion over one of the game's most top players in history. Ok.

[christian1923]

too bad he's not.
:eek: What? Lol

People actually believe prime LBJ is better than prime mamba?

[MavsSuperFan]

This is why when people make the argument that fans cant disagree with players I :facepalm.

[iamgine]

Oscar Robertson said Lebron is as good if not better than Michael Jordan.

Another day, another legend that recognizes Lebron over Kobe, nothing new. :confusedshrug:

[Jameerthefear]

:eek: What? Lol

People actually believe prime LBJ is better than prime mamba?
a lot do. what do people even consider peak kobe? '06? i could argue multiple years of lbj over kobe's peak.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Yes, I will take a 14 year old teen from Alabama who watches child porn cartoon's opinion over one of the game's most top players in history. Ok.

Aren't you some Asian kid that thinks Kobe is the GOAT?

[ZMonkey11]

OK, I will say prime Kobe is better than prime Lebron.

But who would I take? I'd still take prime Lebron.

LeBron is more willing to use his BBall IQ. He doesn't put up a bunch of crazy shots no one should be taking based on irrational confidence. LeBron will pass to the open man out of a double team, Kobe probably won't.

Defensively, I give it to prime Kobe. Will and determination to shut down the other player, hands down.

Talent alone is Kobe. But the full package is LeBron.

[Smoke117]

Yes, I will take a 14 year old teen from Alabama who watches child porn cartoon's opinion over one of the game's most top players in history. Ok.

I'm 30 and if Kobe is a better all round player than Lebron in his prime than I'm jesus ****ing christ. What a load of shit. Dominique isn't even a guy known for his "all around game", so why is he even talking about this? Is Karl Malone going to come around now and talk about the pg's of today? How they suck compared to John Stockton?

[Jameerthefear]

Yes, I will take a 14 year old teen from Alabama who watches child porn cartoon's opinion over one of the game's most top players in history. Ok.
Ad hominem. look it up

[christian1923]

a lot do. what do people even consider peak kobe? '06? i could argue multiple years of lbj over kobe's peak.
Yes I do, I'd love to your arguments on how LBJ has MULTIPLE better seasons than than Kobe's 05-06 or 06-07.

And with kobe it's more about the fear he gave other teams when he stepped on the court, if it's a big game everyone always thought to themselves "damn this ni99a kobe is going for 50 tonight" , with lebron I still see a guy who might choke it all away in the 4th.

Does LBJ even have a 60 point game in his career? Kobe has FIVE, more dominant.

[ripthekik]

I'm 30 and if Kobe is a better all round player than Lebron in his prime than I'm jesus ****ing christ. What a load of shit. Dominique isn't even a guy known for his "all around game", so why is he even talking about this? Is Karl Malone going to come around now and talk about the pg's of today? How they suck compared to John Stockton?
It doesn't matter. He's a legend of the game.

ITT: People who know more about basketball than Dominique Wilkins
:facepalm

[iamgine]

It doesn't matter. He's a legend of the game.

ITT: People who know more about basketball than Dominique Wilkins
:facepalm
Oscar Robertson said Lebron is as good if not better than Michael Jordan.

Another day, another legend that recognizes Lebron over Kobe, nothing new. :confusedshrug:

[NumberSix]

OP's reading comprehension fails yet again.

Nique said that during Kobe's prime, he was better all around than LeBron was at that same time. Not that Kobe's prime was better than LeBron's prime, as evidenced by him then saying LeBron took over that title when he entered his prime.

[ripthekik]

OP's reading comprehension fails yet again.

Nique said that during Kobe's prime, he was better all around than LeBron was at that same time. Not that Kobe's prime was better than LeBron's prime, as evidenced by him then saying LeBron took over that title when he entered his prime.
This is why you should have went to school. He said Kobe at his prime was the better all around, but now Kobe's past his prime and naturally Lebron has taken over as he's in his prime.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

A better all-around player? Nah. Kobe has always been a better scorer, though - and in his prime, a better man defender.

[NumberSix]

This is why you should have went to school. He said Kobe at his prime was the better all around, but now Kobe's past his prime and naturally Lebron has taken over as he's in his prime.
yes, you literally just repeated what I said from the other viewpoint.

Newsflash, Kobe and LeBron's primes didn't overlap. Kobe during his prime was better than LeBron at the time and LeBron in his prime is better than Kobe of the same time. Wow, what a revelation. :hammerhead:

The problem is that you are trying to dishonestly pass it off as him saying prime Kobe was better than prime LeBron.

[Jameerthefear]

A better all-around player? Nah. Kobe has always been a better scorer, though - and in his prime, a better man defender.
better man defender, yeah, but LBJ is the much better overall defender.

[Vertical-24]

A better all-around player? Nah. Kobe has always been a better scorer, though - and in his prime, a better man defender.

/closethread.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

yes, you literally just repeated what I said from the other viewpoint.

Newsflash, Kobe and LeBron's primes didn't overlap. Kobe during his prime was better than LeBron at the time and LeBron in his prime is better than Kobe of the same time. Wow, what a revelation. :hammerhead:

The problem is that you are trying to dishonestly pass it off as him saying prime Kobe was better than prime LeBron.

Pretty much. Not surprised OP can't read.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

better man defender, yeah, but LBJ is the much better overall defender.

Agreed.

[Andrei89]

Another thread where OP is a faqqit?

I am shocked:eek: :eek:

[moe94]

The joke is that there is literally no argument.

[asdf1990]

when did domnique wilkins become a legend?

[ripthekik]

yes, you literally just repeated what I said from the other viewpoint.

Newsflash, Kobe and LeBron's primes didn't overlap. Kobe during his prime was better than LeBron at the time and LeBron in his prime is better than Kobe of the same time. Wow, what a revelation. :hammerhead:

The problem is that you are trying to dishonestly pass it off as him saying prime Kobe was better than prime LeBron.
In your opinion who is the better all around player, Lebron James or Kobe Bryant? Also who would you have rather played with between the two?
Dominique Wilkins (12:12 PM)

They are very similar. Kobe in his prime was probably the better all around player"

That's all you need to know. If it was Lebron he simply would have answered, Lebron, no? Why would he need to say Kobe was better in his prime if he wanted to say Lebron anyways? It doesn't make sense. Use your head, dumbersix.

[Trollsmasher]

OP getting destroyed by everyone in the thread yet again?

That's like 5 times today already.

[sportjames23]

Oscar Robertson said Lebron is as good if not better than Michael Jordan.

Another day, another legend that recognizes Lebron over Kobe, nothing new. :confusedshrug:


Oscar has an agenda, doe. He's always hated on MJ.

[sportjames23]

when did domnique wilkins become a legend?


You can't be serious. :facepalm

[Scholar]

Both are tremendous players.
Nique didn't give a true answer.



Michael (New York)

In your opinion who is the better all around player, Lebron James or Kobe Bryant? Also who would you have rather played with between the two?
Dominique Wilkins**(12:12 PM)

They are very similar. Kobe in his prime was probably the better all around player, but LeBron has taken over that title.


Kobe was the better all-around player but LeBron took the title of better all-around player?

[0000000]

Prime to prime comparison, they"ll likely equally as good but Kobe will wow you more. And they will dominate in a different way. Kobe's domination is more noticeable as he rips your heart out hitting jumpshot after jumpshot, scoring 50 easily if he has to......while LeBron's domination is perhaps more impactful but less noticeable.

Can't go wrong with either. Guys like those 2, Jordan, Magic, Bird....IMO, their level of play in their prime was just so good you can't pick one surely over the other. I would also mention T Mac here as ridiculous as it may sound, he wasn't quite at that level but he was close. Only for one year though. Unfortunately only talent wise he was at that level, he was still young so his basketball smarts and impact still didn't catch up to his talent at that time...whereas guys like Kobe and LeBron had both the physical and mental prime at the same time.

[NBASTATMAN]

OP's reading comprehension fails yet again.

Nique said that during Kobe's prime, he was better all around than LeBron was at that same time. Not that Kobe's prime was better than LeBron's prime, as evidenced by him then saying LeBron took over that title when he entered his prime.


My goodness are you the only person who understood this... :wtf:

[NBASTATMAN]

yes, you literally just repeated what I said from the other viewpoint.

Newsflash, Kobe and LeBron's primes didn't overlap. Kobe during his prime was better than LeBron at the time and LeBron in his prime is better than Kobe of the same time. Wow, what a revelation. :hammerhead:

The problem is that you are trying to dishonestly pass it off as him saying prime Kobe was better than prime LeBron.


THIS:rockon:

[Fudge]

Aren't you some Asian kid that thinks Kobe is the GOAT?
So your insult is because he's Asian? :facepalm

[TheMarkMadsen]

THIS:rockon:

No he's saying that while Kobe was in his prime he was a better overall player, but now that Kobes prime is over, Lebron is the better overall player

[moe94]

No he's saying that while Kobe was in his prime he was a better overall player, but now that Kobes prime is over, Lebron is the better overall player

What he said was ambiguous. You can spin it however way your agenda feels necessary. Not you personally, but in general.

[raiderfan19]

The funny thing is, Lebron has been better than Kobe since 05

[raiderfan19]

On the lebrons prime thing, he obviously wasn't in his prime, but in 04/05 his second season, he avged 27/7/7 with 2 steals a game on 47/35 shooting. Kobe avged 27/6/6 with 1 steal a game on 43/34 shooting. There is a legitimate argument to be made that at no time in his career was Kobe ever the best player in the game.

[Dro]

"They are very similar. Kobe in his prime was probably the better all around player, but LeBron has taken over that title."

Seems like to me he is saying that when Kobe was in his prime, he was the better all around player which is obvious because Lebron was not in his prime yet. Then he's saying now Lebron is the better overall player because he is in HIS prime which is obvious because Kobe is not in his prime anymore. So at the end of the day, it sounds like he's just using common sense...

[NBASTATMAN]

The funny thing is, Lebron has been better than Kobe since 05
Lebron was better in 05-06 but -06-08 are def kobe years.. There is no doubt about kobe being better than bron during those years IMO...

[NBASTATMAN]

"They are very similar. Kobe in his prime was probably the better all around player, but LeBron has taken over that title."

Seems like to me he is saying that when Kobe was in his prime, he was the better all around player which is obvious because Lebron was not in his prime yet. Then he's saying now Lebron is the better overall player because he is in HIS prime which is obvious because Kobe is not in his prime anymore. So at the end of the day, it sounds like he's just using common sense...


Problem with common sense is that it's not common on this board.. :rockon: I agree with your conclusion..

[RoundMoundOfReb]

A poll of non-laker/kobe/Lebron/Heat fans would probably have this at about 90% for LeBron being better prime for prime.

[NLZ]

Pretty obvious he's saying prime vs prime Kobe was better, with Lebron being in his prime now and thus atm better.

[guy]

It doesn't matter. He's a legend of the game.

ITT: People who know more about basketball than Dominique Wilkins
:facepalm

You do know that not every basketball legend agrees with each other right? According to your logic, you must be thinking that you know more then some other basketball legend.

[BallsOut]

Yes, I will take a 14 year old teen from Alabama who watches child porn cartoon's opinion over one of the game's most top players in history. Ok.

ripthekik ripping jameerthequeer a new one

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[OmniStrife]

Obviously Nique would say that... He's the same sort of "All me" player.
Ask Magic, Pippen, Robertson or Bird for their opinions on the matter and you'll get a different answer.

[Nash]

First of all, Nique starts off by saying that they are very similar which to be honest his opinion is disqualified right there.

Second, Kobe is good at many things but being an overall better player than Lebron is not one of them. Not many players have been actually. riptheshit, not even you believe that dawg.

[Jameerthefear]

ripthekik ripping jameerthequeer a new one

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
"lol owned!! he used ad hominem without addressing the point. what a badass!!"

[BallsOut]

Obviously Nique would say that... He's the same sort of "All me" player.
Ask Magic, Pippen, Robertson or Bird for their opinions on the matter and you'll get a different answer.

Magic and Bird have often stated Kobe as being best player. Not sure where you get your info from.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=184414

[Nash]

Magic and Bird have often stated Kobe as being best player. Not sure where you get your info from.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=184414
2010? Weak, that is almost 4 years ago. Look a little closer. Both Bird and Magic have said that Lebron is up there with Jordan.

[NumberSix]

Pretty obvious he's saying prime vs prime Kobe was better, with Lebron being in his prime now and thus atm better.
You could just as easily spin it in the other direction.

You could say he said that Kobe in his prime but only because LeBron hadn't reached his own prime yet. When LeBron did reach his prime, he took the title.


Just accept it for what it is. It's was a PC answer. Kobe was better at one time and LeBron was better at another time. Typical dodge.

[Dro]

Pretty obvious he's saying prime vs prime Kobe was better, with Lebron being in his prime now and thus atm better.
No, he's not comparing their primes to each other..He's saying each was the better all around player when they were both respectively in their primes...Not that one's prime is better than the others...

[Dro]

You could just as easily spin it in the other direction.

You could say he said that Kobe in his prime but only because LeBron hadn't reached his own prime yet. When LeBron did reach his prime, he took the title.


Just accept it for what it is. It's was a PC answer. Kobe was better at one time and LeBron was better at another time. Typical dodge.

Or this is another way to say it...

[Heavincent]

A poll of non-laker/kobe/Lebron/Heat fans would probably have this at about 90% for LeBron being better prime for prime.

No.

[bizil]

Kobe and Lebron are both the total package. Both great scorers, great passers, great defenders, and great rebounders (for perimeter players). So that puts them in rare company. The only other guys u can say that about are MJ, West, Wade, and Hondo. And I guess arguably a Big O and prime G HIll.

But all around wise, I gotta go with Bron. He's a better passer, better rebounder, and more versatile. As great as Kobe is, he's not capable of playing and defender 4 to 5 positions. But for many years, Kobe was better than Bron though. Once Bron got better on D and really exploiting his versatility, I think Bron became better once Kobe fell from peak level. So with those two factors, sure Bron is the better all around player. But Bron is more similar of course to the Big O, Magic, and Bird. While Kobe is more similar to MJ. All these guys are great all around players but do it differently.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You could just as easily spin it in the other direction.

You could say he said that Kobe in his prime but only because LeBron hadn't reached his own prime yet. When LeBron did reach his prime, he took the title.


Just accept it for what it is. It's was a PC answer. Kobe was better at one time and LeBron was better at another time. Typical dodge.

You could, but you'd clearly be delusional in thinking that's what Nique meant.

Prime vs Prime, he takes Kobe. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Mr. Incredible]

Oscar Robertson said Lebron is as good if not better than Michael Jordan.

Another day, another legend that recognizes Lebron over Kobe, nothing new. :confusedshrug:
Lol OP won't respond because he's mentally soft.

Isn't LeBron 13-6 head-to-head against Kobe?!

Oh yeah he is. :lol

[Dro]

]Problem with common sense is that it's not common on this board.[/B]. :rockon: I agree with your conclusion..
Obviously....

[Heavincent]

I think it's funny how the only people who say "Lebron is better at his peak and it's not even close" are Lebron stans and/or Kobe detractors. Never in my life have I heard a qualified and unbiased basketball mind say something like that. The vast majority of people will tell you it's VERY close. Lebron dick riders like Nash and pauk love to act like it's some kind of consensus.

[moe94]

I think it's funny how the only people who say "Lebron is better at his peak and it's not even close" are Lebron stans and/or Kobe detractors. Never in my life have I heard a qualified and unbiased basketball mind say something like that. The vast majority of people will tell you it's VERY close. Lebron dick riders like Nash and pauk love to act like it's some kind of consensus.
"I like to combat bias with bias"


By all means, make an argument in which you can safely say Kobe Bryant peaked higher than LeBron.


Here's another question, are peak Jordan and peak Kobe close? What about Shaq?

[longtime lurker]

Domminique obviously dosen't know what he's talking about. He never once mentioned PER, TS % or Win Shares. I doubt he's qualified to talk on the NBA

[G-Funk]

Prime Kobe was a better defender, far more skilled scorer and can still drop 6 dimes and 6 rebounds.

[G-Funk]

Domminique obviously dosen't know what he's talking about. He never once mentioned PER, TS % or Win Shares. I doubt he's qualified to talk on the NBA
:oldlol:

[fpliii]

I don't know if I'd agree. I like Kobe better, but I think LeBron is the clear pick here IMO (not an indictment of Kobe though, who was a BEAST).

I guess it depends what you value though. Give either a good supporting cast and you'll be in great shape.

[Doranku]

when did domnique wilkins become a legend?
:roll: @ this 10 year old.

[Dresta]

Of course Nique would say this: he was an inefficient chucker himself.

[jstern]

I read it and it sounded to me that he said that Kobe back in his prime, say in 2006 was better than Lebron in 2006, and that Lebron now in 2013 is better than Kobe in 2013. So he didn't really give an answer of prime for prime.

Here's what he said:


Kobe in his prime was probably the better all around player, but LeBron has taken over that title.

[longtime lurker]

Of course Nique would say this: he was an inefficient chucker himself.

A career 46% shooter and over 80% from the line is an inefficient chucker? ok

[bizil]

A career 46% shooter and over 80% from the line is an inefficient chucker? ok

Exactly! Those shooting percentages aren't inefficient at all. To an extent, I think FG% can be overrated at times.

[bizil]

I read it and it sounded to me that he said that Kobe back in his prime, say in 2006 was better than Lebron in 2006, and that Lebron now in 2013 is better than Kobe in 2013. So he didn't really give an answer of prime for prime.

Here's what he said:

That's what Nique was trying to say u r right. Kobe in 2006 was better than Bron. Bron didn't have the defense down the way he does today. And let's face it, it was only Bron's third year in the L while Kobe was at his peak years basically. Nique made an on point assessment to me. Kobe was in the L 7 years before Bron got there. It's not like they are under three years apart.

[ripthekik]

Again, if he wanted to say Lebron was better, he would have just named Lebron. No need to talk about Kobe's prime. Reason he did is to show that Kobe's prime was the better of both players. However, at this point, naturally Lebron has taken over.

Oh Jameer give it up, your kiddy girls will cheer you up i'm sure.

[NumberSix]

Again, if he wanted to say Lebron was better, he would have just named Lebron. No need to talk about Kobe's prime. Reason he did is to show that Kobe's prime was the better of both players. However, at this point, naturally Lebron has taken over.

Oh Jameer give it up, your kiddy girls will cheer you up i'm sure.
And if he thought Kobe was better, he would just say it. He wouldn't dance around it with this "well, Kobe was better, but then LeBron was better".


Your thread failed.

[ripthekik]

And if he thought Kobe was better, he would just say it. He wouldn't dance around it with this "well, Kobe was better, but then LeBron was better".


Your thread failed.
isn't it naturally to clear it up as today Lebron is in his prime and Kobe is not? He wouldn't want to make a statement to mislead people to think He'd take today's Kobe over today's Lebron. :confusedshrug:

There is no reason to say what he said if he wanted to say Lebron. Use your heads. But then you're a lebron stan.. doubt you have one. "statsstatsstats" is all you know.

[NumberSix]

isn't it naturally to clear it up as today Lebron is in his prime and Kobe is not? He wouldn't want to make a statement to mislead people to think He'd take today's Kobe over today's Lebron. :confusedshrug:

There is no reason to say what he said if he wanted to say Lebron. Use your heads. But then you're a lebron stan.. doubt you have one. "statsstatsstats" is all you know.
Isn't it naturally(:wtf:) to clear up it up as saying when Kobe was in his prime LeBron wasn't yet?


Again, stop playing dumb. You know god damn well what people are saying. Nobody is being vague. Nobody is claiming he said LeBron is better. Everyone who isn't retarded can see he simply avoided giving a straight answer.

[ripthekik]

Isn't it naturally(:wtf:) to clear up it up as saying when Kobe was in his prime LeBron wasn't yet?


Again, stop playing dumb. You know god damn well what people are saying. Nobody is being vague. Nobody is claiming he said LeBron is better. Everyone who isn't retarded can see he simply avoided giving a straight answer.
No. If you were asked, who's better between some scrub in 1980 vs MJ, would you say, the 1980 scrub's prime was better, but MJ took over? No you wouldn't. If he wanted to say Lebron then he would have just said Lebron because he was better than Kobe ever was, no need to mention Kobe. Use your goddamn head. I'm not being paid to be an English teacher so this is the last time I'll explain it to you. There's no other explanation. He values Kobe's prime more over Lebrons, although present day Lebron is better.
Is that so hard to accept? It goes in line with the opinions of probably half of what the top 15 all time greats have said. They all respect Kobe... not Lebron. Deal with it.

ps. This has been posted on other sites and no one's even disputed the meaning... But I guess i underestimated the intelligence of lebron stans..

[NumberSix]

No. If you were asked, who's better between some scrub in 1980 vs MJ, would you say, the 1980 scrub's prime was better, but MJ took over? No you wouldn't. If he wanted to say Lebron then he would have just said Lebron because he was better than Kobe ever was, no need to mention Kobe. Use your goddamn head. I'm not being paid to be an English teacher so this is the last time I'll explain it to you. There's no other explanation. He values Kobe's prime more over Lebrons, although present day Lebron is better.
Is that so hard to accept? It goes in line with the opinions of probably half of what the top 15 all time greats have said. They all respect Kobe... not Lebron. Deal with it.

ps. This has been posted on other sites and no one's even disputed the meaning... But I guess i underestimated the intelligence of lebron stans..
At no point would the scrub have been better than MJ.

Anyhow.....



during Bird's prime he was the better player over Jordan, but when Jordan entered his prime he took that title.

Exact same statement. Still completely true. Makes no assertion of prime vs prime. You already know that though.

Your games fail.

[ripthekik]

At no point would the scrub have been better than MJ.

Anyhow.....



during Bird's prime he was the better player over Jordan, but when Jordan entered his prime he took that title.

Exact same statement. Still completely true. Makes no assertion of prime vs prime. You already know that though.

Your games fail.
If you were asked who's better, Bird or MJ, wouldn't you just answer MJ then? Why the hell would you need to bring up Bird's prime is better since MJ wasn't in his prime yet? Makes no sense. Typical numbersix.

[RoseCity07]

This just confirms to me that being a great scorer has too much value in the NBA. This is why guys like Carmelo Anthony get labeled superstars.

Lebron not only puts up scoring numbers like Kobe he does so on a more efficient basis. Every other category in the game and Lebron wins by a landslide. Lebron has an big edge in rebounding, defending, shot blocking, and passing. Lebron has even shown himself to be a clutch shooter, hitting game winner in the NBA finals. Kobe went 6-24 in a game 7.

Lebron> Kobe and it's not even close. Kobe>Lebron at hitting fade aways.

[ripthekik]

This just confirms to me that being a great scorer has too much value in the NBA. This is why guys like Carmelo Anthony get labeled superstars.

Lebron not only puts up scoring numbers like Kobe he does so on a more efficient basis. Every other category in the game and Lebron wins by a landslide. Lebron has an big edge in rebounding, defending, shot blocking, and passing. Lebron has even shown himself to be a clutch shooter, hitting game winner in the NBA finals. Kobe went 6-24 in a game 7.

Lebron> Kobe and it's not even close. Kobe>Lebron at hitting fade aways.
Lebron is simply more efficient I'll give you that. If I was picking for my NBA team maybe I'd go with Lebron. If I wanted to win an NBA game? I'm going with Kobe. Especially if Lebron doesn't have a stack-team, it equals no success. Give Kobe 1 good big man and he's ready to go.

I'll take the W over efficient stats all day, every day.

[NumberSix]

If you were asked who's better, Bird or MJ, wouldn't you just answer MJ then? Why the hell would you need to bring up Bird's prime is better since MJ wasn't in his prime yet? Makes no sense. Typical numbersix.
Not if you're purposely avoiding answering the question. :hammerhead:


Your little games fail.

[sejoon101]

I'm 30 and if Kobe is a better all round player than Lebron in his prime than I'm jesus ****ing christ. What a load of shit. Dominique isn't even a guy known for his "all around game", so why is he even talking about this? Is Karl Malone going to come around now and talk about the pg's of today? How they suck compared to John Stockton?

Such a stupid ass comment, my mind is seriously shattered.

According to your analogy, PRO basketball players who have played basketball for the main portion of their lives, only supposed to know their own position?? Jesus Christ. There are lots of die hard fans who never played ball in their lives. How do they know anything about ball at all?

Nvm.. Not even going to go into detail how idiot you just sounded. :hammerhead:

[Simple Jack]

So any NBA players word is gospel?

[NLZ]

No, he's not comparing their primes to each other..He's saying each was the better all around player when they were both respectively in their primes...Not that one's prime is better than the others... J.J. Reddick in his prime better all-around player than Ray Allen.

>pointless statement
>people thinking Dominique makes pointless statements

What you guys want to believe he said makes zero sense and nobody speaks like that. People compare primes to primes.

[retaxis]

If you were asked who's better, Bird or MJ, wouldn't you just answer MJ then? Why the hell would you need to bring up Bird's prime is better since MJ wasn't in his prime yet? Makes no sense. Typical numbersix.
What you just posted made absolutely no sense and demonstrated once again your lack of social skills. NBA players/politicians/anyone with a brain who isn't like ripthekik does not answer a stupid question like who is better who is not. Look at Phil bloody Jackson, when asked who was better MJ or Kobe he just highlighted each players individual characteristics and strengths. Only simpletons like you would think the world is so simple.:lol

[secund2nun]

LOL Dominique Wilkins is a low IQ bball fan. Lebron is far superior than Kobe....leagues above Mr. first round loser in his prime Kobe Bryant.

[Lebron23]

Come on Mr. Human Highlight Reel. Lebron is a career 28/7/7

[Ca$H]

a lot do. what do people even consider peak kobe? '06? i could argue multiple years of lbj over kobe's peak.

LOL. A lot = current teens who think being gay is cool.

[pauk]

Imagine a much bigger, stronger, faster Kobe with better vision & passing ability.... which essentially helps aid him to get more rebounds, assists, score more efficiently and make him one of the most versatile 2-way players in NBA history being able to play AND guard basically any position on both ends... wouldnt you say that Kobe is now a more prominent all-round player than his regular self? No?

[moe94]

LOL. A lot = current teens who think being gay is cool.

It must suck to know that there is literally no argument to be had in your favor yet feeling the need to reply anyway. :oldlol:

[ripthekik]

Imagine a much bigger, stronger, faster Kobe with better vision & passing ability.... which essentially helps aid him to get more rebounds, assists, score more efficiently and make him one of the most versatile 2-way players in NBA history being able to play AND guard basically any position on both ends... wouldnt you say that Kobe is now a more prominent all-round player than his regular self? No?
but a kobe with no heart, needs a stacked team to win, front runner, disappears in the 4th is not a better Kobe.

[Stringer Bell]

This is why when people make the argument that fans cant disagree with players I :facepalm.

Exactly, players have different opinions anyway, so either way, a fan is gonna be disagreeing with a professional player.

[riseagainst]

I read it as Kobe in his prime is better than the best Lebron so far, but Kobe's old now so obviously current Lebron is better than current Kobe.

[Blue&Orange]

Imagine a much bigger, stronger, faster Kobe
Then there would be no discussion, Kobe would shit on Lebron. Pretty obvious.

[Dro]

I read it as Kobe in his prime is better than the best Lebron so far, but Kobe's old now so obviously current Lebron is better than current Kobe.


Seems like to me he is saying that when Kobe was in his prime, he was the better all around player which is obvious because Lebron was not in his prime yet. Then he's saying now Lebron is the better overall player because he is in HIS prime which is obvious because Kobe is not in his prime anymore. So at the end of the day, it sounds like he's just using common sense and not really committing to a concrete answer

He didn't say either was better than the other at ALL...I don't see how any non-biased fan does not understand what he said. He didn't even have to say all of that to give a PC answer but he did for whatever reason.

:Edit-actually, re-reading your post, we are pretty much saying the same thing...I thought the way you worded it was tricky but upon reading it again, you're saying the same thing I'm saying. If was the "best Lebron" that I had a problem with at first but you added the "so far" which makes it basically the same thing I was saying, lol.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe was definitively the better player until the 2009 season. That's when LeBron grabbed a hold of the best player title and hasn't let it go since. Kobe's longevity is super impressive, but peak for peak, LeBron is probably better.

[Dro]

Another way he could have worded it was "AT THAT POINT in their careers, Kobe was better than Lebron because Kobe was in his prime and Lebron wasn't yet...AT THIS POINT Lebron is better because he's in his prime and Kobe isn't anymore." Thats exactly what he said and I don't see how he's saying one's prime was better than the other at all. If he meant that, he would have said that. He would've said, "Lebron's prime was better than Kobe's', or "Lebron was better in his prime that Kobe was in his", or something to that effect.

Instead, he chose to be completely non-committal, like most dudes are, lol..Thats why we have commitment issues in general, lol

[Kobr]

Only delusional Kobe haters would take "Kobe in his prime is the better all around player" to be implicitly excluding present-day LeBron. Like he's saying "prime Kobe is better than LeBron, except for 2013 LeBron!" :facepalm

[Solefade]

Kobe was definitively the better player until the 2009 season. That's when LeBron grabbed a hold of the best player title and hasn't let it go since. Kobe's longevity is super impressive, but peak for peak, LeBron is probably better.


Kobe was never DEFINITIVELY better than LeBron like how LeBron is DEFINITIVELY better than Kobe is the past 3-4 years.

[K Xerxes]

Kobe was never DEFINITIVELY better than LeBron like how LeBron is DEFINITIVELY better than Kobe is the past 3-4 years.

Kobe was definitively better than LeBron from 04-06. I would also say he was probably better from 07-08. LeBron took over 09.

Peak-wise, LeBron is unquestionably better IMO. He just more dominant in all facets of the game, except for scoring and man defense.

[bizil]

Kobe was definitively the better player until the 2009 season. That's when LeBron grabbed a hold of the best player title and hasn't let it go since. Kobe's longevity is super impressive, but peak for peak, LeBron is probably better.

Well said!! The way Bron's game has evolved, I think peak for peak I would lean to Bron. And for me, it's due to Bron's versatility on both sides of the ball as the biggest factor. Kobe is a versatile as a 6'6 perimeter player can be. Great scorer, great passer, great defender, and great rebounder for a guard capable of playing and defending PG, SG, and SF. But Bron is frankly something we have never seen before. It's like combining Big O (ability to get 30 points while being a pass first player, triple double threat), Magic ( triple double threat ,size and passing ability)Dr.J (freak athletic ability, unstoppable scorer) and Scottie Pippen (point forward who can play and defend four positions) into the body of Karl Malone! Lebron flat out redefined the sport while Kobe didn't really redefine the sport, even though he's clearly an immortal top 7 GOAT kind of talent. Bean was just so similar to MJ and u can't out MJ MJ.

[bizil]

Kobe was definitively better than LeBron from 04-06. I would also say he was probably better from 07-08. LeBron took over 09.

Peak-wise, LeBron is unquestionably better IMO. He just more dominant in all facets of the game, except for scoring and man defense.

I agree with all points! If anything u can't teach Bron's size and skillset. I also agree with your timeline when Bron took the mantle. The interesting thing is that MJ was better than Magic and Bird due to his mainly athletic ability and defense. All three could take the game by throat scoring in different ways. But the clear separation was MJ's athletic ability and defense. But what if Magic or Bird had close to MJ's athletic ability or defense. Then I feel those two would likely have the edge on MJ. Because just like Bron, both were the size of many PF's back in their day. So they would have a versatility on both sides of the ball over MJ. Instead of having JUST the offensive versatility on MJ like they had already. Plus they would have the athletic ability to just overwhelm opponents if anything else. That's why Bron, MJ, and Kobe standout to me above the rest in a sense. The total package on both sides of the ball AND freak athletes! But Bron took it to the ultimate level being the size of Karl Malone!!

[Dro]

Well said!! The way Bron's game has evolved, I think peak for peak I would lean to Bron. And for me, it's due to Bron's versatility on both sides of the ball as the biggest factor. Kobe is a versatile as a 6'6 perimeter player can be. Great scorer, great passer, great defender, and great rebounder for a guard capable of playing and defending PG, SG, and SF. But Bron is frankly something we have never seen before. It's like combining Big O (ability to get 30 points while being a pass first player, triple double threat), Magic ( triple double threat ,size and passing ability)Dr.J (freak athletic ability, unstoppable scorer) and Scottie Pippen (point forward who can play and defend four positions) into the body of Karl Malone! Lebron flat out redefined the sport while Kobe didn't really redefine the sport, even though he's clearly an immortal top 7 GOAT kind of talent. Bean was just so similar to MJ and u can't out MJ MJ.
This was a great post...repped

[ILLsmak]

I think you might get the same kind of shit performance from Kobe in a big game as you would from Bron, it would just be for a different reason.

Gotta say Bron, too. To whoever said "it's really close." It's close, but considering you are comparing two close-to-if-not top 10 players of all time, the gap is significant enough to say it's not.

Obviously most teams in NBA history would trade their best player for either, but Lebron is a clear choice.

-Smak

[ripthekik]

Well said!! The way Bron's game has evolved, I think peak for peak I would lean to Bron. And for me, it's due to Bron's versatility on both sides of the ball as the biggest factor. Kobe is a versatile as a 6'6 perimeter player can be. Great scorer, great passer, great defender, and great rebounder for a guard capable of playing and defending PG, SG, and SF. But Bron is frankly something we have never seen before. It's like combining Big O (ability to get 30 points while being a pass first player, triple double threat), Magic ( triple double threat ,size and passing ability)Dr.J (freak athletic ability, unstoppable scorer) and Scottie Pippen (point forward who can play and defend four positions) into the body of Karl Malone! Lebron flat out redefined the sport while Kobe didn't really redefine the sport, even though he's clearly an immortal top 7 GOAT kind of talent. Bean was just so similar to MJ and u can't out MJ MJ.
You keep forgetting that Lebron has done nothing without having 2 all stars in his team. Absolutely nothing. For all of Kobe's 5 rings, all he's had is another all star center.

[bizil]

You keep forgetting that Lebron has done nothing without having 2 all stars in his team. Absolutely nothing. For all of Kobe's 5 rings, all he's had is another all star center.

What's your point? He made the NBA Finals taking Cleveland there back in the day. And he beat the Detroit Pistons, arguably the best Eastern Conference team of the decade resume wise. That's no small feat. And let's face it, that Cleveland team really had no business in that position. But Bron was so great, HE WILLED THEM THERE!! That team had NO OTHER consistent All Star kind of talent.

And u talk about ALL Kobe had was another All Star center! LMAO Well that Shaq is one of the top 7-8 GOAT players of all time. And the MOST PHYSICALLY DOMINANT PLAYER EVER! Peak value wise, the Shaq-Kobe combo could be the best combo of all time peak value wise. How dare u say all Kobe had was another All Star center. **** that, Shaq is an immortal icon who changed basketball. And Shaq was the MAN on those Lakers teams, not Kobe. Sure Kobe was an alpha dog and 1B. But Shaq at his peak is arguably the best center of all time peak value wise! Shaq and Kobe is closest thing we have seen to having Wilt and MJ on the same team. Hell, I would rather have a Shaq-Kobe pairing than a Bron-Wade-Bosh trio! LOL That's how dominant Shaq-Kobe were!

[ripthekik]

What's your point? He made the NBA Finals taking Cleveland there back in the day. And he beat the Detroit Pistons, arguably the best Eastern Conference team of the decade resume wise. That's no small feat. And let's face it, that Cleveland team really had no business in that position. But Bron was so great, HE WILLED THEM THERE!! That team had NO OTHER consistent All Star kind of talent.

And u talk about ALL Kobe had was another All Star center! LMAO Well that Shaq is one of the top 7-8 GOAT players of all time. And the MOST PHYSICALLY DOMINANT PLAYER EVER! Peak value wise, the Shaq-Kobe combo could be the best combo of all time peak value wise. How dare u say all Kobe had was another All Star center. **** that, Shaq is an immortal icon who changed basketball. And Shaq was the MAN on those Lakers teams, not Kobe. Sure Kobe was an alpha dog and 1B. But Shaq at his peak is arguably the best center of all time peak value wise! Shaq and Kobe is closest thing we have seen to having Wilt and MJ on the same team. Hell, I would rather have a Shaq-Kobe pairing than a Bron-Wade-Bosh trio! LOL That's how dominant Shaq-Kobe were!
For your first paragraph, my point is that all that translated to 0 rings.

For your second paragraph, did you forget that he won 2 rings with Pau Gasol? Is Pau Gasol another all time dominant great that you will write another paragraph about?

Think about it. Another all star center is all Kobe needed. Lebron needed an all star starting Guard and PF/C.

[TheCorporation]

For your first paragraph, my point is that all that translated to 0 rings.

For your second paragraph, did you forget that he won 2 rings with Pau Gasol? Is Pau Gasol another all time dominant great that you will write another paragraph about?

Think about it. Another all star center is all Kobe needed. Lebron needed an all star starting Guard and PF/C.

Without internet searching in detail, wasn't Pau putting up 20 and 10 on 50%? LeBron has never had a player that was able to put up those numbers. And don't forget Lamar Odom, and flashes of Bynum. Kobe had a good team, that's why he won. Just like every champion had a good team. Just like LeBron has a good team. etc.

[bizil]

For your first paragraph, my point is that all that translated to 0 rings.

For your second paragraph, did you forget that he won 2 rings with Pau Gasol? Is Pau Gasol another all time dominant great that you will write another paragraph about?

Think about it. Another all star center is all Kobe needed. Lebron needed an all star starting Guard and PF/C.


If u put Lebron with Dirk in Dallas, he would get a ring. U wouldn't need much at all with that combo. And to top it off, Dirk isn't even a back to the basket dominant big. Lebron had teams in Cleveland that weren't simply capable of winning a ring. If u put Kobe in Lebron's place the results would have been the same. Which IS NO RING!!

Lebron could win with just AN ALL STAR CENTER too! What the hell are u trying to say? And to top it off, Lebron is a pass first guy who can still get u 30 night. Which means a guy like a Shaq would be enhanced even more with Bron than he would with Kobe. If Lebron is in place of Kobe on those rings, the Lakers win a minimum of six rings EASY! Shaq would have stayed in LA UNTIL he retired with Lebron there. Shaq wanted out of LA because he and Kobe couldn't get along. I've heard both Kobe and Shaq say that shit. And they say they both regret it looking back.

So what the hell is your point in these posts? Are u trying to say that Magic couldn't win without four other HOFers. Becasue that's what he had with Kareem, Worthy, Wilkes and McAdoo. Plus Magic also played with another all star guard in Norm Nixon. U mean to tell me Bird couldn't win without four other HOFers? Because that's what he had with Parish, McHale, DJ, and Walton. Plus another All-Star in Ainge? Bron is on the same level of Magic and Bird flat out. So if u are saying this shit about Lebron, u better say that about basically half or more of the NBA 50 greatest list. Because many of those guys had the fortune of playing for mastermind coaches and GM's WHOSE JOB is to put the best team on the floor. U can't penalize those guys for trying to stack the deck and construct teams to win. That's the name of the game.

And frankly, man for man, teams like Indiana have more depth 1-12 than Miami does. Miami NEVER was the deepest team in the L. They were just top heavy as hell with two HOFers and a multiple time All Star. In the annual of NBA champs, there have been SEVERAL TEAMS DEEPER THAN THE MIAMI HEAT!! So if u are knocking Bron, u better knock Magic, Bird, Dr.J, Moses, Kareem, Wilt, West, and many immortal kind of guys!! The name of the game is to construct the best team to win!!

[dajadeed]

Kobe had a 4 game stretch in which he scored 60 twice.

The other two games were 50 point games.

:bowdown:

And don't say chucker. Anyone who characterizes Kobe as a "chucker" just doesn't know basketball. Chuckers don't win. Karl Malone used to sing Kobe's praises before the hunting Mexican girls incident. Said his bball iq was off the charts.

Fwiw, scoring is the best way to make an impact and take over a game. Going out there and having 20 point quarters to put teams away was something routine for Kobe.

I'll never forget watching the 61 at MSG. I've never seen a player have opposing arenas give him standing ovations and completely turn on the home team like Kobe.

[TheCorporation]

Here comes another ether, rip. You made me do it. You keep bringing up how LBJ had "2 all stars." Well, here you go.

Pau Gasol during the playoffs to help Kobe win a ring

2009: 18-11 on 58%! with 2 blocks
2010: 20-11 on 54% with 2 blocks

Is that not an amazing second option? 20-11 on 54% with 2 blocks during the playoffs. I can't even think of that many players that can average that (as a second option).

The point is simple. Every Finals MVP needed help to get there. Had the Spur won game 6, and they gave the Finals MVP to Duncan/Parker, would the other guy that didn't win get a lot of praise as well? What about Danny Green and all those 3s he splashed in, Leonard, etc. TEAMS win ships, not individuals.

And, now that you got me digging into this even more, is Lamar Odom not close to equal that of Chris Bosh?

Lamar Odom PO:
2009: 12-9 on 52%
2010: 10-9 on 47%

Chris Bosh PO:
2012: 14-8 on 49%
2013: 12-7 on 46%


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:coleman:

So can we stop with the bullshit "LeBron had 2 all-stars" stuff? I dont' think you're a troll, just misinformed.

Clearly Wade's help was much less than Gasol's. And Odom's help was equal to Bosh's help in the playoffs.

[bizil]

Without internet searching in detail, wasn't Pau putting up 20 and 10 on 50%? LeBron has never had a player that was able to put up those numbers. And don't forget Lamar Odom, and flashes of Bynum. Kobe had a good team, that's why he won. Just like every champion had a good team. Just like LeBron has a good team. etc.

Exactly right! Lebron has NEVER played with a dominant low post big man. Bosh is awesome, but he's more of a faceup PF. Shaq is the most dominant big man of all time on the block. Pau is one of the top 10 most skilled PF's on the block of all time. And Pau is a great passing big man who can also faceup midrange wise and kill u. Bron never played with these kind of big men. And as u pointed out, Kobe has had the luxury of guys who were ALL regarded as amongst the best bigs on the block. ANd u can't forget Odom like u said, one of the most versatile players of all time. And u can't forget Glen Rice a three time all star and stretched the floor for the Lakers at the peak of his career. Rice was still lighting shit up big time and settled in to be the third option to play sniper (kind of like what Ray did later for Boston) for a ring. As a whole Kobe had WAY MORE HELP over his career than Bron did. Bron just started getting real help when he went to Miami.

[ripthekik]

Exactly, my point was that Kobe had 1 great all star teammate (which I acknowledged). Bynum? Please, look at his stats. 7 pts 5 reb is great? Odom? Please.

I'm not just spitting out random things.. the 2 all stars is a FACT. Bosh and Wade were both all stars for the last two years and beyond, and in fact last year as Heats, they were all star starters. Those are absolute FACTS. Meanwhile Pau is the only all star Kobe has had in the 2peat and he wasn't even a starter!

Who cares about the stats they (Bosh) put up? I always go back to the same example. In the Dream Team, would MJ, Barkley, Bird still put up their NBA stats? You don't think their stats would drop? Is it because they are playing at a lower level? Please.

[bizil]

Exactly, my point was that Kobe had 1 great all star teammate (which I acknowledged). Bynum? Please, look at his stats. 7 pts 5 reb is great? Odom? Please.

I'm not just spitting out random things.. the 2 all stars is a FACT. Bosh and Wade were both all stars for the last two years and beyond, and in fact last year as Heats, they were all star starters. Those are absolute FACTS. Meanwhile Pau is the only all star Kobe has had in the 2peat and he wasn't even a starter!

Who cares about the stats they (Bosh) put up? I always go back to the same example. In the Dream Team, would MJ, Barkley, Bird still put up their NBA stats? You don't think their stats would drop? Is it because they are playing at a lower level? Please.


You're lost big time! Before Bron went to Miami, who had the better supporting cast throughout there careers. EASILY KOBE! Bron saw all those teams out there with multiple all stars and knew he had to go somewhere to compete against them. Bron can turn chicken shit into chicken salad, he proved that earlier in his career long ago. The man did all he could do in Cleveland. And Pau is a beast at his best. Bron never played with a big close to Pau before he went to Miami. Like I said if u r gonna penalize Bron, u gotta penalize Bird and Magic too. Bird and Magic had teams WAY more stacked than Miami. Those guys had 4-5 HOFers on their teams, not just All Stars. Miami just has two for sure HOFers, Bron and Wade. Bosh has an outside shot I think. But even at that, that's LESS than the HOF talent Bird and Magic had in their arsenal. Give it up man, u fighting a losing battle with your posts!! :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :coleman:

[kawhileonard2]

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Another day, another legend that recognizes Kobe over Lebron. Nothing new.:confusedshrug:

Agreed!

[ImKobe]

Agreed!

The real ones know.

[SouBeachTalents]

Dominique Wilkins is wrong

[HylianNightmare]

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