Raptors are trading Rudy Gay to Kings. Discuss!

[no pun intended]

UPDATE: Rudy Gay trade is now official. Details:

The Sacramento Kings today acquired forwards Rudy Gay and Quincy Acy along with center Aaron Gray from the Toronto Raptors in exchange for guard Greivis Vasquez and forwards John Salmons, Patrick Patterson and Chuck Hayes, according to Kings General Manager Pete D’Alessandro.

Read more at http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=14902

[outbreak]

Per Spears

what about him are they discussing?

[CelticBaller]

Another black hole to the kings :facepalm :facepalm

[no pun intended]

Another black hole to the kings :facepalm :facepalm
Seems like they already giving up on Derrick Williams at SF lmfao

[LilEddyCurry]

Noo, what are the Kings doing? If this is true then a few chuckers from the Kings for a big chucker?

[Le Shaqtus]

The Kings Franchise is a joke :lol

[no pun intended]

The Kings Franchise is a joke :lol
If Ujiri pulls this off...damn, what a GM he is

[andremiller07]

Wtf why would the Kings do that we got Derrick Williams who's been fine as the starting SF on both ends and has good chemistry with Mclemore.....We need to be trading for Lowry not Gay at this point Vasquez is a piece of shit who makes the team worse and Williams has made us way better.

Had we not traded for Williams I would be fine with this unless we move Williams to PF......that would be interesting.

[heavensdevil]

Let's go Masai! Tank commander. :applause:

[SpecialQue]

Wow.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Masai if he can unload ******* all over the Kings faces. :bowdown:

[CelticBaller]

if they do it doe, Wiggins to the Raptors :applause:

[no pun intended]

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA 25s
Raptors and Kings are near agreement on a deal centered on Rudy Gay, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

LMFAOOOOO

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vpE6uMJ37dk/UOScrne47aI/AAAAAAAAEL4/Ki-4IWO-SoY/s1600/ron-paul.gif

[LilEddyCurry]

@WojYahooNBA: Raptors and Kings are near agreement on a deal centered on Rudy Gay, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

m.twitter.com/WojYahooNBA :facepalm

[andremiller07]

Masai if he can unload ******* all over the Kings faces. :bowdown:
The deal will have to include Thornton/Salmons/Hayes which is a lot of dead weight so yeah it won't be a rape as long as Kings don't include Thomas/Williams/Mclemore.

[CelticBaller]

I feel bad for Kings fans

[Sakkreth]

if they do it doe, Wiggins to the Raptors :applause:

Without Rudy we might start winning more actually :facepalm


Anyways in Masai we trust, please make it happen :bowdown:

[andremiller07]

I feel bad for Kings fans
It might not be that bad rudy is only a 1 year deal anyway depends what we give up apparently they want Isaiah Thomas and I would not do that trade straight up.

[Black and White]

Isiah/Mclemore/Gay/Cousins??? Hmmm......

[JimmyMcAdocious]

How has Vasquez been playing? His stats look dreadful.

[andremiller07]

Gay when he played with Z-Bo shot 46% for like 2-3 years so maybe he can produce something similar with Cousins.

[andremiller07]

How has Vasquez been playing? His stats look dreadful.
Worst PG in Kings history, hopeful Kyle Lowry is part of the deal for Vasquez.

[CelticBaller]

It might not be that bad rudy is only a 1 year deal anyway depends what we give up apparently they want Isaiah Thomas and I would not do that trade straight up.
I hope they don't give up key pieces. I'm a fan of Cousins.

[Black and White]

I hope they don't give up key pieces. I'm a fan of Cousins.

Big fan of cousins game too, I wish he was on the c's, no way should the kings give up isaiah in this deal

[no pun intended]

Welp it just happened.

[LilEddyCurry]

@WojYahooNBA: Rudy Gay is headed to the Kings, league sources tell Yahoo Sports. He has been pulled out of the Raptors lineup for tonight.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

john salmons, M Thorton, jimmer f for gay

[EnoughSaid]

:wtf: Don't tell me the Kings let draft picks and McLemore go...

[no pun intended]

Hayes Patterson and Vasquez

[Bobcats2013]

His chucking may be useful in Sacramento...

[alenleomessi]

im happy for qwyjibo :applause:

[SpecialQue]

Please don't let it be Salmons.

[andremiller07]

john salmons, M Thorton, jimmer f for gay
Gay/Mclmoere/Cousins/Williams/Thomas

GOAT LOB CITY!!!

O shit we might have the most athletic team in the NBA we gave up 3 pieces who have been awful this year.

[CelticBaller]

john salmons, M Thorton, jimmer f for gay
The kings unload trash :applause:

[#number6ix#]

Damn, the last thing the kings needed was Rudy Gay chucking no defense playing ass... He should fit right in tho

[LilEddyCurry]

@WojYahooNBA: Still finalizing info who goes back to Raptors, but 3 players significantly discussed included Hayes, Vasquez and Patterson, sources say.
:facepalm no Salmons? Freddette? Thornton?

[Qwyjibo]

I don't even care who is coming back unless it's a bad longer contract. Dumping Gay for useless players on expiring contracts would have been a win.

If Vazquez is coming back, hopefully that means Lowry is traded soon too. I like Lowry but he's actually a good player so that doesn't help the tank. Plus he's gone after this year anyways.

[Black and White]

Damn, hope sac didn't give up Mclemore

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

The kings unload trash :applause:

lol aint getting anything better..

Kings are retard...they sent Hayes, Vasquez and Patterson, sources say.

lol...I would send 2 of 3 ....Vasquez, patterson & jammer

[#number6ix#]

@WojYahooNBA: Still finalizing info who goes back to Raptors, but 3 players significantly discussed included Hayes, Vasquez and Patterson, sources say.
:facepalm no Salmons? Freddette? Thornton?
Vasquez and Patterson are good players... Hayes is decent too

[TylerOO]

Typical Kings move. Every player on that team besides Isaiah Thomas are ballhoggin chuckers

[LoneyROY7]

Gay/Mclmoere/Cousins/Williams

GOAT LOB CITY!!!

O shit we might have the most athletic team in the NBA we gave up 3 pieces who have been awful this year.

:roll:

More like chuck city...wait until you get to watch Rudy heave up 30 long jumpers a game.

[LilEddyCurry]

@WojYahooNBA: Sacramento will send John Salmons, Vasquez, Patterson and Hayes to the Raptors, sources tell Yahoo Sports.

m.twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

[JerrySteakhouse]

Sacramento will send John Salmons, Vasquez, Patterson and Hayes to the Raptors, sources tell Yahoo Sports.

[no pun intended]

Messiah Ujiri

[andremiller07]

:roll:

More like chuck city...wait until you get to watch Rudy heave up 30 long jumpers a game.
He won't with Cousins there, its Cousins team not Rudy's he will learn fast. Plus we got rid of players on 2 year deals for a player on a 1 year deal.

[LoneyROY7]

He won't with Cousins there, its Cousins team not Rudy's he will learn fast.

Because Cousins is such a respected leader, right? :oldlol:

More like an immature kid who doesn't understand respect and courtesy.

[andremiller07]

Because Cousins is such a respected leader, right? :oldlol:
No cause the offense runs through him......lol dumbass

[CelticBaller]

Because Cousins is such a respected leader, right? :oldlol:
He has the Gm backing him up. And I wouldn't fvck with boogie

[The JKidd Kid]

I know it's against the rules to criticize Ujiri but this is a bad trade for the Raptors. Could've gotten more.

[longtime lurker]

Kings get Gay! :roll: What is Sacramento doing? At least they clear out their PF glut, but Cousins might murder Gay for all his chucking. Poor Derrick Williams just when it was his time to shine.

[EveryManALion]

Because Cousins is such a respected leader, right? :oldlol:

DMC will beat that Gay ass in the locker room with a pillow case full of soap bars if he keeps chucking.

All homo;)

[no pun intended]

Lowry/Vasquez
Derozan/Ross
Salmons/Fields
Patterson/Hansborough/Novak
Valanciunas/Johnson

[LilEddyCurry]

@WojYahooNBA: Along with Rudy Gay, Quincy Acy and Aaron Gray will be traded to the Kings too, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.

m.twitter.com/WojYahooNBA

[avonbarksdale]

are any of those guys good?


i like vasquez

[andremiller07]

First we steal Williams than clear utter trash out for Gay shit I'm loving this new ownership group.

PG: Thomas
SG: Mclemore
SF: Gay/Williams
PF: Thompson/Williams
C: Cousins

[Black and White]

Lol Rudy Gay murder watch.... DMC is gonna get pissed

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Lowry is next?

Raptors rebuilding right. :applause: Now get them Wiggins.

[no pun intended]

are any of those guys good?


i like vasquez
Patterson has tons of potential, as evident in his stint with the Rockets. The Kings failed to use him, like how they fail to use anybody.

[SpecialQue]

So Kings got Gay for Salmons?

http://www.thenbasocial.com/images/players/Sacramento%20Kings/John%20Salmons.jpg

Seems like an even trade.

[Horde of Temujin]

I know it's against the rules to criticize Ujiri but this is a bad trade for the Raptors. Could've gotten more.

Nobody wants Rudy, this is a great trade, he had player option for next year

[flipogb]

^he doesn't seem to have a specialty , Patterson is average at everything

[andremiller07]

Patterson has tons of potential, as evident in his stint with the Rockets. The Kings failed to use him, like how they fail to use anybody.
Failed to use him lol...dude why you talking on a subject you know nothing about? Look at his shooting numbers this season on wide open shots lol we used him he failed this season. He does not use the talents he has well at all he's a ok player but plays soft.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Acy and Aaron Gray to Sactown too. Acy's athletic, or something right? And Aaron Gray is the white(r) Scalabrine

[Dave3]

What do the contracts of all the incoming guys look like?

[Qwyjibo]

And the winners of the "Desperation trade for Rudy Gay" are the Kings!

A big surprise. I figured it would have been the Cavs or maybe even Wizard who would have made the dumb move for Gay.

[CelticBaller]

Patterson has tons of potential, as evident in his stint with the Rockets. The Kings failed to use him, like how they fail to use anybody.
Patterson is just a stretch 4

[avonbarksdale]

new gm gettin it done

[SavageMode]

Raptors easily win this. Rudy Gay is fools gold and a black hole. Raptors are opening up that SF spot for Wiggins.

[0000000]

I think it's a great trade for both teams. Both teams get better balance now.

[bagelred]

Rudy Gay, Quincy Acy and Aaron Gray

Pat "You've landed on $1000"

"Is there a 'y', Pat?"

"FIVE Y's!"

"I'd like to buy a vowel.....an 'a'."

"FIVE A's!"

"I'd like to solve the puzzle......"

[SavageMode]

Raptors easily win this. Rudy Gay is fools gold and a black hole. Raptors are opening up that SF spot for Wiggins.

[Done_And_Done]

Massai is a bandit man. I can't believe he found a bite for this overpaid chucker. I am absolutely ecstatic right now...

[Golden Grizz]

What do the contracts of all the incoming guys look like?

Looks like they're all expiring except for Chuck Hayes who is owed 6 mil next season (:biggums:)

[andremiller07]

Raptors easily win this. Rudy Gay is fools gold and a black hole. Raptors are opening up that SF spot for Wiggins.
Not really Gay is a 1 year commitment and we got rid of Hayes awful deal and a lot of other dead weight, Kings still get a lottery pick next season.

[Dave3]

Looks like they're all expiring except for Chuck Hayes who is owed 6 mil next season (:biggums:)
Nice nice. Wish Hayes expired too, but oh well. Can't wait to see what this guy does next.

[fpliii]

Not really Gay is a 1 year commitment and we got rid of Hayes awful deal and a lot of other dead weight, Kings still get a lottery pick next season.

2 year commitment most likely. Gay has a player option for next season.

[ProfessorMurder]

Ujiri = GOAT

[fpliii]

"Marc J. SpearsVerified account
‏@SpearsNBAYahoo
Kings plan on using Rudy Gay as a stretch power forward & see Gay & Derrick Williams as interchangeable guarding either forward, source says"

https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/409841465917841408

[LALakerFan4Life]

Interesting. Kings are gonna use Rudy as a stretch 4.

[andremiller07]

2 year commitment most likely. Gay has a player option for next season.
O wow I thought it was a 1 year deal :facepalm

[bluechox2]

espn still clueless

[avonbarksdale]

maybe trade lowry and sign vasquez


gay has a player option next year of $20 million lol

[Dr. Ice]

great move by both teams.

[HomieWeMajor]

Looks like they're gonna play him as a stretch 4. Time for him to add about 40 pounds of muscle.

[andremiller07]

Interesting. Kings are gonna use Rudy as a stretch 4.
Probs Derrick Williams he's stronger and played PF before.

[BallsOut]

The deal will have to include Thornton/Salmons/Hayes which is a lot of dead weight so yeah it won't be a rape as long as Kings don't include Thomas/Williams/Mclemore.

You forgot Cousins too.

Not sure why the Kings want Rudy Gay, he's a younger John Salmons :oldlol:

[longtime lurker]

And the winners of the "Desperation trade for Rudy Gay" are the Kings!

A big surprise. I figured it would have been the Cavs or maybe even Wizard who would have made the dumb move for Gay.

How happy are you right now? :lol Christmas came early

[CelticBaller]

"Marc J. SpearsVerified account
‏@SpearsNBAYahoo
Kings plan on using Rudy Gay as a stretch power forward & see Gay & Derrick Williams as interchangeable guarding either forward, source says"

https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/409841465917841408
oh lol

[Qwyjibo]

Interesting. Kings are gonna use Rudy as a stretch 4.
You generally would prefer someone who has a good perimeter shot for a "stretch 4".

[bagelred]

It's a bizarre trade in that, neither team took on any long term salary. All the contracts are off the books in summer of 2015.

[PizzamanIRL]

Rudy was that scared to face Kobe he gets traded 2 hours before the game

[DuMa]

good god. what the kings doing. they get derrick williams who could grow as a player than immediately stunt his growth by adding Rudy

[andremiller07]

good god. what the kings doing. they get derrick williams who could grow as a player than immediately stunt his growth by adding Rudy
They plan on playing both but yeah I kind of agree, team will be exciting as anything but with so many athletes might be one of the most athletic starting 5's of all time

IT,Mclemore,Gay, WIlliams , Cousins

[0000000]

"Marc J. SpearsVerified account
‏@SpearsNBAYahoo
Kings plan on using Rudy Gay as a stretch power forward & see Gay & Derrick Williams as interchangeable guarding either forward, source says"

https://twitter.com/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/409841465917841408

Man, they"ll be ridiculously athletic.

As for the Raps, hopefully Vasquez starts playing well again. The other 3 are nice players.

The most important thing both teams have done with this trade is freeing up PT for some of their younger players,
Raps for DeRozen and Ross, Kings for Thomas definitely and perhaps Derrick Williams, maybe they hold him in a high regard.

[avonbarksdale]

you guys think raps won this

[atljonesbro]

Lol god what are the Kings doing SMH. Why would anyone trade for Rudy Gay?

[BallsOut]

In b4 Gay Cousins jokes

[bluechox2]

they will send williams out at the trade deadline

[Twiens]

People still think Rudy is athletic? That dude is SLOW

[bagelred]

Chris Broussard ‏@Chris_Broussard 4 m

I refuse to discuss any trade involving Gay players.



:facepalm

[Qwyjibo]

This just goes to show everyone how badly Colangelo ****ed up in trading for Gay last year. It was one of the worst moves he made with the Raptors that included tons of shitty moves to choose from.

I'd rather just have Ed Davis on this team right now and all those other contracts off the books than what came back from the Kings. But still, I consider this progress. Hopefully Ujiri continues cleaning up this garbage of a roster.

[bluechox2]

ish breaks trade b4 espn:applause: :applause:

[no pun intended]

This just goes to show everyone how badly Colangelo ****ed up in trading for Gay last year. It was one of the worst moves he made with the Raptors that included tons of shitty moves to choose from.

I'd rather just have Ed Davis on this team right now and all those other contracts off the books than what came back from the Kings. But still, I consider this progress. Hopefully Ujiri continues cleaning up this garbage of a roster.
Needs to get rid of Casey next.

[Sgt. Brody]

Gay and Cousins. Hum, interesting. All they need to do is to trade for Love and Sessions.

Gay Cousins Love Sessions.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

ESPN is still NOT reporting it...lol

[flipogb]

Gay and Cousins. Hum, interesting. All they need to do is to trade for Love and Sessions.

Gay Cousins Love Head Sessions.
and bring Luther Head back in the league

[HelterSkelter]

sorry didn't know that this has been posted

[boozehound]

sorry didn't know that this has been posted
Does this mean Thomas will start? Not really sure what to think about this.

[brantonli]

wow wonder how this will impact Vasquez, Lowry is still on their team though.

[Young X]

Is this true? :bowdown:

[Done_And_Done]

you guys think raps won this

Without question.

Massai is a fricken wizard man. If I was a GM I would proceed with caution any time his number showed up on my call display.

[PizzamanIRL]

http://s10.postimg.org/o5xp9ix21/Bb_ATStm_IYAAe_Rid.jpg

[NugzFan]

How much money is Toronto saving?

[Dr. Ice]

Every person who says that this was a bad trade for the kings is clearly not knowledgeable enough on the kings' situation.

Both teams won from this.

[Fudge]

DeMarcus cousin's gay.

[Mr Know It All]

Every person who says that this was a bad trade for the kings is clearly not knowledgeable enough on the kings' situation.

Both teams won from this.

This.

Talent and team improvement wise, the Kings without a doubt won this trade. They didn't even give up a draft pick for Rudy. The Raptors wanted to dump Rudy's contract and commit to rebuilding (and tanking) this season, let's not act like this trade was anything more but making that a certainty.

Good riddance to Rudy Gay being gone either way.

[SavageMode]

This.

Talent and team improvement wise, the Kings without a doubt won this trade. They didn't even give up a draft pick for Rudy. The Raptors wanted to dump Rudy's contract and commit to rebuilding (and tanking) this season, let's not act like this trade was anything more but making that a certainty.

Good riddance to Rudy Gay being gone either way.
Team with a chucker like Rudy Gay won't ever win a ring. Did the Kings really win? or accept mediocrity.

Toronto is aiming for the stars/real gold, aka Wiggins, Parker, Randle.

[rhowen4]

wow

good job kings imo. should make things more interesting at least

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Does this mean Thomas will start? Not really sure what to think about this.
this is honestly f*cking terrible. Why does D'Alessandro trade away the players he acquired over the offseason? And GOOD players that fit the team? Aren't Gay and DerWill the same goddam players just different talent levels? Kings NEED defense and rebounding, which they just traded away in Salmons and Chuck and now Isaiah starts, where he's been inconsistent his whole career. He's made to play off the bench. :facepalm

So the squad looks like this...?:

Cousins
DerWill
Gay
McLemore
Isaiah
-------
Gray
N'Diaye
JT
Landry (out for 2~3 months still)
Outlaw
Acy
Thornton
Jimmer
McCallum Jr

Kings went from having a great bench (on paper) at the beginning of the season now to having a fairly poor one. Jimmer and McCallum Jr as backup 1's? Gray and JT instead of 2Pat, Chuck, and JT? Aren't Outlaw and Acy the same player?

And now w/o Vasquez, there's no pure PG besides McCallum Jr who is rotating in and out of the D-League! I love Isaiah, but he cant run an O and is obviously better suited to play off the bench.

This new regime is just making deals to make deals it seems. I think D'Alessandro even said they wont be patient on making deals, but jesus...let a team gel or see how a player plays for 82 games instead of 20...

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Terrific move :applause:

[Droid101]

Needs to get rid of Casey next.
Not until after this season. He keeps the tank alive.

[FireDavidKahn]

Kings:oldlol:

[OG LeeTSkeeT]

finally jonas can maybe break out now.

[Pra]

http://s10.postimg.org/o5xp9ix21/Bb_ATStm_IYAAe_Rid.jpg


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Qwyjibo]

Oh and I guess John Salmons' "God" works in strange ways.

[Pra]

this is honestly f*cking terrible. Why does D'Alessandro trade away the players he acquired over the offseason? And GOOD players that fit the team? Aren't Gay and DerWill the same goddam players just different talent levels? Kings NEED defense and rebounding, which they just traded away in Salmons and Chuck and now Isaiah starts, where he's been inconsistent his whole career. He's made to play off the bench. :facepalm

So the squad looks like this...?:

Cousins
DerWill
Gay
McLemore
Isaiah
-------
Gray
N'Diaye
JT
Landry (out for 2~3 months still)
Outlaw
Acy
Thornton
Jimmer
McCallum Jr

Kings went from having a great bench (on paper) at the beginning of the season now to having a fairly poor one. Jimmer and McCallum Jr as backup 1's? Gray and JT instead of 2Pat, Chuck, and JT? Aren't Outlaw and Acy the same player?

And now w/o Vasquez, there's no pure PG besides McCallum Jr who is rotating in and out of the D-League! I love Isaiah, but he cant run an O and is obviously better suited to play off the bench.

This new regime is just making deals to make deals it seems. I think D'Alessandro even said they wont be patient on making deals, but jesus...let a team gel or see how a player plays for 82 games instead of 20...


Maybe the Kings will throw in lotto picks for Rondo? There's your pure PG & Isaiah 6th man again? Kings should have room cap room in 2015 once Gay is off the books if they don't bring along anymore salary. William's qualifying offer at that point can be rescinded too yea? Edit, Thorthon would be off the books in the summer of 2015 too. I don't think this was such a bad move if they play their cards right for 2015... Kevin Love + Boogie combo? lol

[Qwyjibo]

Not until after this season. He keeps the tank alive.
Nah, Casey should be dumped the moment they find someone who they feel comfortable with going forward.

It's dangerous to have even a bad coach like Casey on the last year of a contract. Player development doesn't mean jack shit to him and who can blame him? Get a coach that shares your long-term view and will hopefully be comfortable tanking the rest of this season away.

[shallehalle]

http://s10.postimg.org/o5xp9ix21/Bb_ATStm_IYAAe_Rid.jpg
:roll: :roll: repped

[Mr Know It All]

Team with a chucker like Rudy Gay won't ever win a ring. Did the Kings really win? or accept mediocrity.

Toronto is aiming for the stars/real gold, aka Wiggins, Parker, Randle.

I completely agree with you on both counts. The Kings did not improve dramatically by any stretch of the imagination, but I still believe they won this trade if we're talking strictly about a swap of talent. Gay is an inefficient and selfish player, but he is skilled and quite talented. And, if used right, which is a big if, he can be an asset.

I was afraid that Toronto would tread water when they were leading the pathetic Atlantic early on, but it seems the collapse against Golden State sealed their fate, and thank god it did. Masai will move some more pieces around, and, as you said, gear up for this terrific draft class.

[andremiller07]

Kings went from having a great bench (on paper) at the beginning of the season now to having a fairly poor one. Jimmer and McCallum Jr as backup 1's? Gray and JT instead of 2Pat, Chuck, and JT? Aren't Outlaw and Acy the same player?

...
Our bench aside from Thomas sucked he carried them all the time (half our bench points were Thomas), I don't even care if Kings gonna suck we may as well be the most exciting team in the nba doing it. Vasquez and Patterson were dead weight. We still get a lottery pick anyway at the end of the year and every bad contract other than Landry comes off the books in 2015 not as bad as people are making it out to be.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

this is honestly f*cking terrible. Why does D'Alessandro trade away the players he acquired over the offseason? And GOOD players that fit the team? Aren't Gay and DerWill the same goddam players just different talent levels? Kings NEED defense and rebounding, which they just traded away in Salmons and Chuck and now Isaiah starts, where he's been inconsistent his whole career. He's made to play off the bench. :facepalm

So the squad looks like this...?:

Cousins
DerWill
Gay
McLemore
Isaiah
-------
Gray
N'Diaye
JT
Landry (out for 2~3 months still)
Outlaw
Acy
Thornton
Jimmer
McCallum Jr

Kings went from having a great bench (on paper) at the beginning of the season now to having a fairly poor one. Jimmer and McCallum Jr as backup 1's? Gray and JT instead of 2Pat, Chuck, and JT? Aren't Outlaw and Acy the same player?

And now w/o Vasquez, there's no pure PG besides McCallum Jr who is rotating in and out of the D-League! I love Isaiah, but he cant run an O and is obviously better suited to play off the bench.

This new regime is just making deals to make deals it seems. I think D'Alessandro even said they wont be patient on making deals, but jesus...let a team gel or see how a player plays for 82 games instead of 20...

there was no need to give all that for gay...PP they should have kept him..

salmons,hayes,GV is ok for gay.

[bdreason]

I think Thompson will start.

[kaiteng]

Good, so now the ball can go through Val, thus progressing his development, a little more.

[hawkfan]

Nah, Casey should be dumped the moment they find someone who they feel comfortable with going forward.

It's dangerous to have even a bad coach like Casey on the last year of a contract. Player development doesn't mean jack shit to him and who can blame him? Get a coach that shares your long-term view and will hopefully be comfortable tanking the rest of this season away.

Who wants to coach the Raptors?
Also what are the Raptors going to do with their cap space, except sign guys like Amir Johnson and Landry Fields to big contracts that they don't deserve?

[red1]

necessary for the tank

[Qwyjibo]

Who wants to coach the Raptors?
Also what are the Raptors going to do with their cap space, except sign guys like Amir Johnson and Landry Fields to big contracts that they don't deserve?
This is where, hopefully, competent management comes into play. I'm not buying on Ujiri yet though.

As for coaching? Throw enough money at someone and they will come. As fans, none of us know enough about the coaching market or the philosophies of guys out there.

[EnoughSaid]

Masai Ujiri the best GM in basketball. :bowdown:

[hawkfan]

This is where, hopefully, competent management comes into play. I'm buying on Ujiri yet though.

As for coaching? Throw enough money at someone and they will come. As fans, none of us know enough about the coaching market or the philosophies of guys out there.

He should pick out of the next generation of assistant coaches moving up the ladder.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Maybe the Kings will throw in lotto picks for Rondo? There's your pure PG & Isaiah 6th man again? Kings should have room cap room in 2015 once Gay is off the books if they don't bring along anymore salary. William's qualifying offer at that point can be rescinded too yea? Edit, Thorthon would be off the books in the summer of 2015 too. I don't think this was such a bad move if they play their cards right for 2015... Kevin Love + Boogie combo? lol
Thing is, Sacramento doesn't attract FAs. Even D'Alessandro has implied as much (he said one time non-verbatim "Sacramento gives you a lot of trading opportunities", translation: "We can't sign top FAs"). But we'll see. This seems like an attempt to get better, on paper at least, for this season. But I still think this keeps the Kings in position to get a top 3, top 5 pick in the 2014 Draft. Maybe if they get Wiggins or Randle or something, they can let Gay+Thornton go in 2015, sign a buncha min deal scrubs and throw all their cap $ at a mega-FA...?


Our bench aside from Thomas sucked he carried them all the time (half our bench points were Thomas), I don't even care if Kings gonna suck we may as well be the most exciting team in the nba doing it. Vasquez and Patterson were dead weight. We still get a lottery pick anyway at the end of the year and every bad contract other than Landry comes off the books in 2015 not as bad as people are making it out to be.
Vasquez and 2Pat were solid contributors. Salmons and Chuck were closer to being dead weight, especially their contracts as backups.

And I again, I dont think projecting cap space in 2015 matters. Sac doesn't attract FAs, even if they get a new amazing arena. If Kings got some assets, like picks, that'd be a different story. But if they're just trying to free cap for 2015, I think it's a fool's errand.

Those great Adelman teams were built through trades (CWebb, Bibby, Christie, Pollard), picks (JWill, Peja, Hedo), and getting lucky signing non-top-tier FAs (Vlade, BJax).

I get the new regime has high aspirations to make Sac a destination for popular basketball, but if Kings are trying to sign FAs in 2015, then... :hammerhead: It just hasn't ever happened and I doubt a new arena, being popular in India, and Shaq showing up to a game or 2 per season will change things.

edit:
Guess it just comes down to learning from history vs changing history.

[andremiller07]

Thing is, Sacramento doesn't attract FAs. Even D'Alessandro has implied as much (he said one time non-verbatim "Sacramento gives you a lot of trading opportunities", translation: "We can't sign top FAs"). But we'll see. This seems like an attempt to get better, on paper at least, for this season. But I still think this keeps the Kings in position to get a top 3, top 5 pick in the 2014 Draft. Maybe if they get Wiggins or Randle or something, they can let Gay+Thornton go in 2015, sign a buncha min deal scrubs and throw all their cap $ at a mega-FA...?


Vasquez and 2Pat were solid contributors. Salmons and Chuck were closer to being dead weight, especially their contracts as backups.

And I again, I dont think projecting cap space in 2015 matters. Sac doesn't attract FAs, even if they get a new amazing arena. If Kings got some assets, like picks, that'd be a different story. But if they're just trying to free cap for 2015, I think it's a fool's errand.

Those great Adelman teams were built through trades (CWebb, Bibby, Christie, Pollard), picks (JWill, Peja, Hedo), and getting lucky signing non-top-tier FAs (Vlade, BJax).

I get the new regime has high aspirations to make Sac a destination for popular basketball, but if Kings are trying to sign FAs in 2015, then... :hammerhead: It just hasn't ever happened and I doubt a new arena, being popular in India, and Shaq showing up to a game or 2 per season will change things.

Patterson was shooting sub 40% on WIDE OPEN looks and Vasquez got destroyed by Trey Burke. To me as long as we don't lose this years draft pick I don't see how this can be a negative. Thomas and Cousins needed scoring help, Rudy Gay played his best as a #2 option with Z-Bo he will be a #2 option to Cousins. We finally see Ray Mac as well instead of the liability that is Vasquez. It's not like the coaching staff are going to let Gay come in and chuck plus he's a elite rebounder @ SF and better defender than Salmons. We got Williams to back up him or Thompson what's the big deal all those guys sucked and were not talented Rudy Gay is regardless of how hard he chucks.

This will take pressure of Cousins and Gay at the same time if it works. I'd be more worried by some miracle the line up clicks and the Kings manage to overachieve (highly doubtful) and our pick goes to Cleveland due to the idiotic Hickson trade.

[hawkfan]

Are the Raptors moving DeRozan next?

[kmart]

Are the Raptors moving DeRozan next?

The right time to trade him would be now because he is playing well, but I don't think so. He's a nice piece for now and not an expiring contract yet.

Lowry would go before Derozan does IMO.

[hawkfan]

The right time to trade him would be now because he is playing well, but I don't think so. He's a nice piece for now and not an expiring contract yet.

Lowry would go before Derozan does IMO.

hawkfan Trade Scenario (where amazing happens):

Hawks get

DeMar DeRozan

Raptors get

Jared Cunningham (expirer)
Louis Williams

The Raptors get rid of DeRozan's big contract and get 4-5 million in cap space for next year. Williams' expires in summer of 2015, so he can be moved out again.

The Hawks get DeRozan to upgrade the wings.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Are the Raptors moving DeRozan next?

for marion ?
to bobcats?

[bdreason]

Thinking more about this trade, and I think the Kings should have tried to keep Vasquez. I'm also wondering how Cousins will react to the trade... especially if Rudy takes a significant amount of touches / shots from him.

[Ron Jeremy]

:biggums: Why is Jimmer not in this trade?!? He would be huge in Toronto!
http://dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Jimmer-Fredette-240x360.jpg

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Thinking more about this trade, and I think the Kings should have tried to keep Vasquez. I'm also wondering how Cousins will react to the trade... especially if Rudy takes a significant amount of touches / shots from him.
Isaiah starting will take away Cousins' touches too

The more I think of it, this trade even nerfs Cousins a bit... :facepalm

[Kujo]

So happy Rudy is gone. I'm not surprised we suckered the Kings into taking Gay as they were in desperate need of a roster shake-up.

Not sure if they makes us better or worse right now (I'm hoping worse), but this give MU a lot of flexibility next year. I do kinda wish we got a draft pick back. Let's just hope no one fails any physicals, and this deal goes through.

I do like Vasquez. He'll push Lowry for minutes.

Looking forward to hopefully watching a watchable offense now, though I won't hold by breath as long as Casey's the coach.

[bigkingsfan]

I'm a big Gay guy.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I'm a big Gay guy.
:roll:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Are stat sheets now banned in the Kings locker room?

[Himan12]

Gay is a terrible player and ruins team chemistry with his chucking.

[Bcogswell]

Masai might as well start making room in his trophy case for another EOY. :bowdown:

[iDunk]

Knicks need to get in on Lowry.

Felton + scrub for Lowry.

Felton would be a wonderful tank commanding PG.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Knicks need to get in on Lowry.

Felton + scrub for Lowry.

Felton would be a wonderful tank commanding PG.
No thanks.

[andremiller07]

Thinking more about this trade, and I think the Kings should have tried to keep Vasquez. I'm also wondering how Cousins will react to the trade... especially if Rudy takes a significant amount of touches / shots from him.
Vasquez did nothing but make the team and Cousins worse, all he could do that was positive was throw it into Cousins in the post which any player in the NBA can do. At least with Thomas and Gay if you double team Cousins there is a price to pay if you stay on Thomas and Gay than Cousins one on one is lethal.

If Rudy Gay could coexist with Z-Bo he can coexist with Cousins who is a better passer than Z-Bo anyway. We needed a #2 or #3 scoring option people are overreacting to this trade this makes the Kings better and it will help take pressure off Mclemore. The coaching staff is not idiotic enough to allow Gay to dominate the ball over Cousins anyway if Gay starts chucking we got Williams to replace him.

All this overreaction was the same as the Williams for LRMAM deal and Williams was more than worth it the Kings turned Tyreke Evans and 2 2nd round draft picks into Derrick Williams and Rudy Gay.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Vasquez did nothing but make the team and Cousins worse, all he could do that was positive was throw it into Cousins in the post which any player in the NBA can do.

dude, I know you know that's BS. Vasquez ran the picknroll better than anyone else on the team and had a few incredible games. You sung his praises plenty of times. Stop being so schizo! :cheers:

[cBeck]

I'm loving this trade for the Raptors. Future is bright with Masai!

[andremiller07]

dude, I know you know that's BS. Vasquez ran the picknroll better than anyone else on the team and had a few incredible games. You sung his praises plenty of times. Stop being so schizo! :cheers:
He played well twice in 18 games I praised him twice and 1-2 during the preseason, he's too much of a liability and does nothing at the point of attack.

I rather have the potential of Gay and Williams any day if Rudy makes us worse who cares that's great we got a better chance at the lottery if both pan out we got a serious team.

Plus now we see Ray big dog Mcallum who can defend can't wait.

[B4llin]

I've said it before and ill say it again, the ONLY reason the raptors traded for Gay was to get their pick out of the lottery.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

He played well twice in 18 games I praised him twice and 1-2 during the preseason, he's too much of a liability and does nothing at the point of attack.

I rather have the potential of Gay and Williams any day if Rudy makes us worse who cares that's great we got a better chance at the lottery if both pan out we got a serious team.

Plus now we see Ray big dog Mcallum who can defend can't wait.
I'm excited to hopefully see McCallum Jr too. He looked really good in Summer League and I heard he's done well in D-League.

As for Vasquez, he didnt need to do anything at the point of attack. It's not his style and the Kings already had an attacking PG to fill that role - Isaiah Thomas. Vasquez's role was to try to run picknroll/pops through Cousins and wing play. Unfortunately the wings sucked ass the first couple weeks. McLemore has done well and Vasquez and DerWill have actually played well together. Now that's all out of the window after just 20 games? It's bad organization running. Unless this 2015 cap space theory is true. Even then, it's a poor projection.

But you are right, this is a good deal for tanking. :pimp: Defense is worse than opening night roster and offense will be full of chuckers. Just like the past handful of years. :rolleyes:

[andremiller07]

I'm excited to hopefully see McCallum Jr too. He looked really good in Summer League and I heard he's done well in D-League.

As for Vasquez, he didnt need to do anything at the point of attack. It's not his style and the Kings already had an attacking PG to fill that role - Isaiah Thomas. Vasquez's role was to try to run picknroll/pops through Cousins and wing play. Unfortunately the wings sucked ass the first couple weeks. McLemore has done well and Vasquez and DerWill have actually played well together. Now that's all out of the window after just 20 games? It's bad organization running. Unless this 2015 cap space theory is true. Even then, it's a poor projection.

But you are right, this is a good deal for tanking. :pimp: Defense is worse than opening night roster and offense will be full of chuckers. Just like the past handful of years. :rolleyes:
I think you got to trust me on this like the D-Will (been our best defensive wing) deal, defence/rebounding are better Rudy Gay averages the 2nd most rebounds on our team and is tied with Cousins for blocks and steals (1.6 and 1.3), plus we going to be super exciting Mclemore/Williams/Gay running the break:pimp: I don't see us being any worse with this team we are 5-13...Give it a chance we got three players that can carry you to a win now.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

I think you got to trust me on this like the D-Will (been our best defensive wing) deal, defence/rebounding are better Rudy Gay averages the 2nd most rebounds on our team and is tied with Cousins for blocks and steals (1.6 and 1.3), plus we going to be super exciting Mclemore/Williams/Gay running the break:pimp: I don't see us being any worse with this team we are 5-13...Give it a chance we got three players that can carry you to a win now.
No I understand. DerWill has been good, though nothing spectacular, like I expected. You're right his D is better than I thought, but still not as good as Prince Luc's.

The team will definitely be more exciting to watch. Lucky for me my friend found a season ticket holder who has box seats for $30 lol (seems too good to be true...) so I may be finally getting to go to some games this season (didn't go at all last season :cry: ). But it looks awfully close to the same teams in the past few years - fast, athletic, no real offensive system, still lacking a legit shot-blocking presence, etc. And how did those teams do?

[andremiller07]

No I understand. DerWill has been good, though nothing spectacular, like I expected. You're right his D is better than I thought, but still not as good as Prince Luc's.

The team will definitely be more exciting to watch. Lucky for me my friend found a season ticket holder who has box seats for $30 lol (seems too good to be true...) so I may be finally getting to go to some games this season (didn't go at all last season :cry: ). But it looks awfully close to the same teams in the past few years - fast, athletic, no real offensive system, still lacking a legit shot-blocking presence, etc. And how did those teams do?
Badly but you have to take in account Thomas is better and Cousins is better now as well. Who knows Gay could do a Monta Ellis, look at Rudy Gay's stats in Memphis 46/47% while providing a bit of everything else, gratz on the box seats plenty of alleys/poster coming your way which should make up for the low IQ basketball.

Also WE DON'T HAVE KEITH SMART, Mike Malone is a beast who takes no shit from anyone and will sit you down if you play like a puss. I have faith in Malone that he will make it work and has a plan.

[T-Time3]

In b4 Gay Cousins jokes
:lol truedat

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

Badly but you have to take in account Thomas is better and Cousins is better now as well. Who knows Gay could do a Monta Ellis, look at Rudy Gay's stats in Memphis 46/47% while providing a bit of everything else, gratz on the box seats plenty of alleys/poster coming your way which should make up for the low IQ basketball.

Also WE DON'T HAVE KEITH SMART, Mike Malone is a beast who takes no shit from anyone and will sit you down if you play like a puss. I have faith in Malone that he will make it work and has a plan.
no doubt. I've loved Malone since I first heard him at his first press conference. But it's D'Alessandro I'm kind of doubting now. Malone can only work w/ what D'Alessandro gives him. But we shall see. I'm still excited for the future. At least they're making moves to try to get better in some way, rather than stay in stasis mode.

(also just a sidenote - I forgot to add lack of elite perimeter D to that list of past similarities. Prince Luc + Salmons > DerWill + Gay regarding on-ball perimeter defense. But again, I agree DerWill is solid. I've seen Gay struggle more times than not. But he's long, so that helps.)

[Miles and Miles]

I'm not quite sure how this could be a bad deal for the Kings when they gave up nothing. Salmons is terrible and getting worse by the game. Not sure how he gets minutes. Vasquez hasn't really worked out for us yet. Patterson has been horrible this year and not sure how he got off the bench lately. I was just rooting for JT to play 40 minutes instead of Patterson lately and that's sad.

[hawkfan]

I'm not quite sure how this could be a bad deal for the Kings when they gave up nothing. Salmons is terrible and getting worse by the game. Not sure how he gets minutes. Vasquez hasn't really worked out for us yet. Patterson has been horrible this year and not sure how he got off the bench lately. I was just rooting for JT to play 40 minutes instead of Patterson lately and that's sad.

It's probably not just talent, but also reshaping the locker room.

[andremiller07]

I'm not quite sure how this could be a bad deal for the Kings when they gave up nothing. Salmons is terrible and getting worse by the game. Not sure how he gets minutes. Vasquez hasn't really worked out for us yet. Patterson has been horrible this year and not sure how he got off the bench lately. I was just rooting for JT to play 40 minutes instead of Patterson lately and that's sad.
Pretty much this, only way it turns bad is if the team overachieves somehow via miracle and Cavs get our pick

[hawkfan]

I'm not quite sure how this could be a bad deal for the Kings when they gave up nothing. Salmons is terrible and getting worse by the game. Not sure how he gets minutes. Vasquez hasn't really worked out for us yet. Patterson has been horrible this year and not sure how he got off the bench lately. I was just rooting for JT to play 40 minutes instead of Patterson lately and that's sad.

Gotta wonder though why a guy who can get 20 points on any given night is getting traded twice in a year's worth of time.

Must be so stubborn and doesn't want to develop.

His contract is terrible, but the Raptors could have moved some other contracts to create space, if they thought Gay was a guy to build around.

But for the Kings, it's just this year and then next year, so it's not too bad.

[tomtucker]

Why is gay being tossed around all the time ? .......... what did he get traded for this time ? :confusedshrug:

[Clutch]

What are the Raptors doing ? I thought they were going to tank but it seems like this trade makes them better. I like Vasquez and the other players in the deal are serviceable. Maybe they have seen that the East is crap this year so they're gunning for the playoffs ?

[East_Stone_Ya]

Williams to the bench then :(

[no pun intended]

Williams to the bench then :(
The Kings disclosed that they are likely to start both Williams and Gay, with either one of them at PF.

[Sakkreth]

What are the Raptors doing ? I thought they were going to tank but it seems like this trade makes them better. I like Vasquez and the other players in the deal are serviceable. Maybe they have seen that the East is crap this year so they're gunning for the playoffs ?

Well it's a good trade, Masai wants to tank obviously, but we probably win more without Gay, that might of happened if he simply got injured, but now we receive some talent thorugh the trade so we probably going to win more than without a trade for sure, but it's probably not the last trade done by Masai so we'll see. Rudy is just a black hole, Memphis did so much better when he got injured.

[hawkfan]

Wiggins says he wants to play in Toronto.
Might as well tank - how many times in the future will a guy say he actually wants to play in Toronto.

Yesterday's game was a disaster in terms of getting Wiggins.

They should go ahead and fire Casey and put a stooge in there. And clear out as much of the roster as they can.

[Sakkreth]

The Kings disclosed that they are likely to start both Williams and Gay, with either one of them at PF.

Yeah Rudy as stretch 4 :lol

[Sakkreth]

Wiggins says he wants to play in Toronto.
Might as well tank - how many times in the future will a guy say he actually wants to play in Toronto.

Yesterday's game was a disaster in terms of getting Wiggins.

They should go ahead and fire Casey and put a stooge in there. And clear out as much of the roster as they can.

If they fire Casey we win more. So don't need to do that, just get new coach next season.

[andremiller07]

If coach Malone can help Travis Outlaw stop chucking and play better team ball there is hope for every single human not called JR Smith, I don't get why everyone is so desperate to dismiss Rudy Gay and the Kings in general. He had his most success playing with dominant big men in Memphis something Jonas right now is not even close to. He will have a dominant big to play off of in Cousins.

That means the Kings have three scorers in the starting line up in Thomas/Cousins/Gay who all need the ball and one of them will have to adjust there game most likely Thomas or Gay. Williams/Thompson will provide the energy/garbage baskets/good cuts and Mclemore is a catch and shot player who comes off screens and he does not need the ball to score since he can't dribble to save his life.

The biggest issue the Kings have faced this season is after Cousins and Thomas there was no consistent 3rd option. This will also allow Thornton to be the only legit 6th man as well and give our best defensive guard rookie Ray Mcallum some quality NBA experience.

The team is insanely athletic with other than Aaron Gray/Jimmer everyone is literally a above average or elite athlete. Were the Kings really ever going to sign a player more talented than Gay? The answer is no and we traded him for pure garbage that was the mean reason we were a 5-13 team.

[alenleomessi]

Well the Raptors got better the moment they got rid of Rudy... Now they need to get rid of Lowry next because be plays well and has some value i guess..

Jonas/Amir/Ross are probably the ones they will surely keep and maybe Derozan :confusedshrug: ... but when you think about it he is the same built but less talented wiggins

[kshutts1]

Definitely don't like this move for the Kings. Vasquez is a solid pass-first player, which is something the Kings need. They didn't need more scorers/shooters.

As for the Raptors, looks like their best lineup will be..

Vasquez
Lowry
Derozan
Johnson
Val

Solid starting lineup, with Lowry, even though small, sliding to the SG spot.

[niko]

I was so sure one of the NY teams would overpay for him and have him help them go down in flames even faster than they were.

[wally_world]

Isaiah / Jimmer
McLemore / Thornton
Gay / Outlaw
JT / DWill
Cousins

That's a solid rotation for the Kings, but they gotta find a way to move the ball. I think Toronto has plans to move Lowry. Lowry/Vasquez/Augustin is too much depth at PG.

[kurple]

If Ujiri pulls this off...damn, what a GM he is
trading Nene for McMoron, and trading Afflalo + 2014 1st round pick for nothing (Iggy rental)

:bowdown:

[boozehound]

Isaiah / Jimmer
McLemore / Thornton
Gay / Outlaw
JT / DWill
Cousins

That's a solid rotation for the Kings, but they gotta find a way to move the ball. I think Toronto has plans to move Lowry. Lowry/Vasquez/Augustin is too much depth at PG.
I thought they were playing gay as a small ball 4? Also, D Williams is in the mix at the 3 no?

[bigkingsfan]

Definitely don't like this move for the Kings. Vasquez is a solid pass-first player, which is something the Kings need. They didn't need more scorers/shooters.

He was mediocre in shooting and defense, his passing was nothing special, we always get into holes early and Isiah brings us back and finishes the game. Isiah is capable of being a facilitator, but his offensive threats is even more valuable.

[GOBB]

Finally the Kings will start winning games and get out of the lottery range to get a top 3 pick. I never felt so gay in my life. :banana:

Signed Sixers fan

[Qwyjibo]

Finally the Kings will start winning games and get out of the lottery range to get a top 3 pick. I never felt so gay in my life. :banana:

Signed Sixers fan
The Sixers are one of the best setup teams for the future. I'd trade the Raptors situation with the Sixers in an instant. If they get a top 5 pick this year to get a franchise guy, they'll already have MCW and Noel to put around him. It will be a near perfect base to build a long-term winner on. I was a big fan of Noel though. We'll see about him.

The Raptors still need more trades to tear the roster up. Lowry and Amir are next. Unfortunately there probably isn't much of a market for PGs when it comes to the better teams.

[Miles and Miles]

It's a no lose situation for the Kings. What's the worse that could happen we get worse? Impossible.

My question for the Kings right now is who is the back up Point Guard? We had 3 guys that could handle the ball and now we have 1. That is unless we now activate Ray McCallam. I don't think Jimmer is an NBA PG more a SG.

[Levity]

if smart was still the coach and they made this move, i would definitely be pissed. but malone is a different breed. under malone, this team now plays inside out. cousins is the teams franchise player, and adding rudy helps spread the floor (regardless of how bad ISH thinks his shot is) more than anyone did prior to the trade.

Gay can definitely be a chucker, but you have to point the finger at two people in those cases. gay and the coach. i know malone wont stand for gays chucking ways. he has no reservation about benching a player that plays out of his system, which is exactly what rudy gay needs. if he decides to heave up 3 pt shot after 3 pt shot, then his ass will be delegated to the bench

what positive gay will add to this team is a rebounder outside of cousins. something that sorely lacks on this team.

[rapsfan3]

trading Nene for McMoron, and trading Afflalo + 2014 1st round pick for nothing (Iggy rental)

:bowdown:

Nene for McGee was actually a good deal for The Nugs. McGee playing well there.

& they had 2 first round picks in 2014 so they traded the lower one for Iggy. Iggy left after Masai left so it doesn't even matter

[rapsfan3]

The Sixers are one of the best setup teams for the future. I'd trade the Raptors situation with the Sixers in an instant. If they get a top 5 pick this year to get a franchise guy, they'll already have MCW and Noel to put around him. It will be a near perfect base to build a long-term winner on. I was a big fan of Noel though. We'll see about him.

The Raptors still need more trades to tear the roster up. Lowry and Amir are next. Unfortunately there probably isn't much of a market for PGs when it comes to the better teams.

NO.

Amir retires a Raptor.

[SacJB Shady]

Gay and cousins will be a great tandem

[GOBB]

The Sixers are one of the best setup teams for the future. I'd trade the Raptors situation with the Sixers in an instant. If they get a top 5 pick this year to get a franchise guy, they'll already have MCW and Noel to put around him. It will be a near perfect base to build a long-term winner on. I was a big fan of Noel though. We'll see about him.

The Raptors still need more trades to tear the roster up. Lowry and Amir are next. Unfortunately there probably isn't much of a market for PGs when it comes to the better teams.

Yeah, credit Hinkie. Hopefully we get some more lucky breaks.

[DMAVS41]

Gay and cousins will be a great tandem

At what?

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

At what?
fighting over who gets the ball.


That's a solid rotation for the Kings, but they gotta find a way to move the ball.
:cheers: exactly. Ray McCallum Jr is the only pure PG on the team. And he's like #13 or #14 on the roster...


I thought they were playing gay as a small ball 4? Also, D Williams is in the mix at the 3 no?
whoever said that must've just read some insider mis-report. DerWill should play the 4 and Gay the 3. I mean both are SFs anyway. Who they defend will probably just depend on who they're facing.


Isiah is capable of being a facilitator, but his offensive threats is even more valuable.
so is his energy and scoring ability off the bench. which is now lost.


My question for the Kings right now is who is the back up Point Guard? We had 3 guys that could handle the ball and now we have 1. That is unless we now activate Ray McCallam. I don't think Jimmer is an NBA PG more a SG.
Agreed, it has to be McCallum Jr. He looked really good in Summer League and reports say he "dominated" D-League. I think he can be serviceable to give ~10 mins/game behind Isaiah. I'm just worried Isaiah will regress back to his somewhat inconsistent ways when he started the past couple years. He's so much better and more consistent off the bench. But maybe now that he's older, he'll be just as consistent as a starter. *cross fingers*

also, I just want to add, as much as I don't like this trade, I do like Gay, a lot, as a talent. I was calling for the Kings to sign him a couple years ago when he was a FA. I think he adds a lot to the team and is quite dynamic. I just don't like how the new regime has handled the roster so far.

They make moves to get Prince Luc and Vasquez just to trade them 1/4 into the season, not even giving the team a chance to gel or develop together? They take on Gay's contract just to clear up cap space in 2015 (so some theorize)? They still have no reliable shooter (McLemore is close, Thornton has been inconsistent) or dominant perimeter (bye Prince Luc) or interior (I guess Gray now...? N'Diaye was close) defender.

They actually had an identity w/ their roster before this trade - feed Cousins, do a lot of drivendishes and picknrolls. It's just that the players weren't performing as expected. But now what? Throw it all out the window after 1/4 of a season? It's just all athletes and Cousins as the starters now. And bench is weaker now. Too much redundancy, no offensive system now, and less depth. Sure it may be exciting, but where's the defensive dominance that Malone needs for his system?

Hey how about this trade. Heat are looking for a SG, right?

Sac gets - James Jones, Joel Anthony, 1st rnd pick
Miami gets - Marcus Thornton, Jason Thompson

Sac loses players/contracts they dont want, gets a 3&D they need, a banger, and an asset in the pick. Miami gets their 2G they want and improve w/ their big depth.

[Legends66NBA7]

At what?

Rebounding.

[bdreason]

Gay is going to play the 4?

Then who is going to play SF, Outlaw? :oldlol:



I would start Gay at the 3 and Thompson at the 4. Bring Williams off the bench at the 3 or 4 depending on matchups.

[insidehoops]

Trade became official a few minutes ago.

The Sacramento Kings today acquired forwards Rudy Gay and Quincy Acy along with center Aaron Gray from the Toronto Raptors in exchange for guard Greivis Vasquez and forwards John Salmons, Patrick Patterson and Chuck Hayes, according to Kings General Manager Pete D

[Jameerthefear]

i still dont understand why sac did this

[andremiller07]

Gay is going to play the 4?

Then who is going to play SF, Outlaw? :oldlol:



I would start Gay at the 3 and Thompson at the 4. Bring Williams off the bench at the 3 or 4 depending on matchups.
That's what I'm thinking as much as I don't rate Thompson we need his size plus having Williams athletic ability off the bench will not be the worst thing in the world.

[TheReal Kendall]

I don't see why people don't like Gay, he's a solid player.

How's Gray? Is he a decent C?

If so you could maybe move Cousins at PF and let Rudy be a the SF or put Williams at the PF.

[Dr. Cheesesteak]

I don't see why people don't like Gay, he's a solid player.

How's Gray? Is he a decent C?

If so you could maybe move Cousins at PF and let Rudy be a the SF or put Williams at the PF.
I think ppl just don't like Gay for his chuckiness and contract. I dont think many ppl question his talent and ability.

I like Gray alot. He's like a poor man's Bogut, but is a magnet around the boards and is bulkier in the paint.

[Ramiah]

I don't post here often (or really at all) but dude...WTF! Is this forreal?

What is the point of this trade? How does this help the kings at all? This franchise is such a mess....

[bigkingsfan]

I don't post here often (or really at all) but dude...WTF! Is this forreal?

What is the point of this trade? How does this help the kings at all? This franchise is such a mess....
They gave away deadweight for a solid starter, SF was a position they've been trying to fill. Carl Landry is also injured so this will free up his mins when back.

[TheGreatDeraj]

Is Gay playing for the Kings tonight?

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Gray is a poor man's Bogut like Austin Daye is a poor man's George Gervin.

[andremiller07]

Is Gay playing for the Kings tonight?
No he will play against Utah after this game

[QuebecBaller]

Sacramento Kings + Gay = Sacramento Queens? :D

[kaiteng]

Julyan Stone and Dwight Buykes survive the cut, CONGRATS MAN XD

[Godzuki]

Gay just makes teams worse. dude guns so much and doesn't stop chucking no matter how many times he misses. i'll never understand why teams allow that, its like the antithesis of the Spurs winning philosophy.

[bdreason]

Thompson playing well tonight as the starting 4.

[Levity]

Thompson playing well tonight as the starting 4.

and williams is playing great as the 3 right now. itll be interesting to see how gay fits in. but right now, sac is walking all over dallas. DMC with almost 20/10 in the first half. good god.

[andremiller07]

and williams is playing great as the 3 right now. itll be interesting to see how gay fits in. but right now, sac is walking all over dallas. DMC with almost 20/10 in the first half. good god.
Dallas is going to have big problems against teams with big dominant C's so teams like Houston/Detroit/Kings will bother them it's there one weakness imo.

People need to look at how much Williams is thriving in Sac Town and everyone said he was a blackout he's the complete opposite, the coaching of Malone is tremendous and that Cousins leadership :pimp:

[Tking714]

What? Rudy Gay is 10 times the player Derrick Williams is. He wont chuck with Thomas running the point the way he does. You guys should be thankful

[BRabbiT]

Julyan Stone and Dwight Buykes survive the cut....



excellent decision.

[CelticBaller]

What? Rudy Gay is 10 times the player Derrick Williams is. He wont chuck with Thomas running the point the way he does. You guys should be thankful
:oldlol:

[hawkfan]

The Kings have leverage over Gay. If he takes stupid shots, they can sit on the bench or put him on the inactive list.

Memphis and Toronto couldn't do that because they were trying to win.

The Kings are still trying to win, but this move was also about clearing out the locker room. So if they sit him, then that is ok. Either he plays well or he sits - either way, the Kings will have gotten something out of this trade.

For Gay this might be the end of the road in terms of his next big contract. He plays bad or doesn't develop, he will lose out on a lot of money. If he can improve, then he can resurrect his career and get paid.

Sometimes guys need that. Zach Randolph bounced around from team to team, then he went to Memphis and he has been great there. Jordan Crawford bounced around from team to team and different coaches and finally this year he is doing well.

You never know and this is a risk, but for the Kings, this is a risk worth taking.

[andremiller07]

New Kings will not be playing against Utah, Vasquez has not yet passed his physical will take it 2morro:facepalm

Hilarious quote from a Kings fans

Vasquez hurts our defense even when on another team on the other side of the freakin country. Actually, in another country. Unbelievable.

Seriously this guy just killed us all season :facepalm

[Miles and Miles]

New Kings will not be playing against Utah, Vasquez has not yet passed his physical will take it 2morro:facepalm

Hilarious quote from a Kings fans


Seriously this guy just killed us all season :facepalm

I'm holding out hope that the Raptors will waive the physical tonight and they can play. I will be at the game!!!

[andremiller07]

I'm holding out hope that the Raptors will waive the physical tonight and they can play. I will be at the game!!!
Wouldn't that make them look unprofessional considering Vasquez just had ankle surgery?

[Miles and Miles]

Wouldn't that make them look unprofessional considering Vasquez just had ankle surgery?
I don't think the trade was about he talent for the Raptors, just the money is my guess. Even if he failed the physical I don't think they would kill the trade.