What's the difference between Rudy Gay and Kyrie Irving?

[PleezeBelieve]

Gay: 18.6.ppg (on 18 FGA a night) 7 rpg 2 apg 38%/37%/77%

Irving: 19.7 ppg (on 19 FGA a night) 3 rpg 6 apg 39%/33%/78%


I mean, when you really think about it, it's eerie how similar they are as players. Both started getting loved for being young, efficient scorers with a clutch gene but when asked to lead a ballclub, they failed miserably in the locker room and subsequently their stats drastically declined in the process.

Bow are they any different besides the position they play?

[coin24]

I dunno but id take both over waiters

[TheCorporation]

2 things immediately come to mind

#1) Irving will let his team look at stat sheets :lol

#2) Uncle Drew

[moe94]

Kyrie went from the most promising and beloved young player in the league to a scapegoat on a level approaching last year's Howard. It's amusing how people let a slump after two amazing seasons dictate a player's talent level and career trajectory.

What have you done for me lately? The basketball world's mantra.

[imnew09]

I'd take Kyrie over gay because We truly need a fken PG :lol

[iamgine]

Last season, Kyrie shot more efficiently on more attempts than Gay had in his entire career. So there's that.

[PleezeBelieve]

I'd take Kyrie over gay because We truly need a fken PG :lol
You'd take him until you realize he's a chukker... just like Gay is seen.

[PleezeBelieve]

Kyrie went from the most promising and beloved young player in the league to a scapegoat on a level approaching last year's Howard. It's amusing how people let a slump after two amazing seasons dictate a player's talent level and career trajectory.

What have you done for me lately? The basketball world's mantra.
Howard effects the game beyond scoring, Kyrie does not. So if even if you think he's in a prolonged shooting slump (and he's not), when the guy is on, he wouldn't be worth 19 mill a year just like Gay isn't worth it now.

Both have talent. But both also one dimensional players who are not leaders. Not really sure why you think he's getting scapegoated for that. It's a fact. :oldlol:

[retaxis]

Difference is Kyrie has quickness which allows him to get into the paint for higher percentage shots where as Rudy Gay has athleticism which lets him shoot over just about anyone but those shots are often outside the paint.

[PleezeBelieve]

Last season, Kyrie shot more efficiently on more attempts than Gay had in his entire career. So there's that.
Umm, that's a lie

Kyrie shot 45% last season. Gay has shot over 46% three times in his career.

[moe94]

Both have talent. But both also one dimensional players who are not leaders. Not really sure why you think he's getting scapegoated for that. It's a fact. :oldlol:

Some kid who would have still been in college a generation ago is already not fit to be the leader for the rest of his career, right? He already peaked, apparently :rolleyes:

[imnew09]

You'd take him until you realize he's a chukker... just like Gay is seen.

He can play better D than Nash and Blake combined...

our pg is Blake, our only pg right now because Nash and Farmer are injured :cry:

[PleezeBelieve]

Difference is Kyrie has quickness which allows him to get into the paint for higher percentage shots where as Rudy Gay has athleticism which lets him shoot over just about anyone but those shots are often outside the paint.
Who cares if someone is getting shots in the paint when they drive one against three in doing so?

Just you think Gay shoots unnecessary contested jumpers, I think Kyrie plays selfishly with a severe case of tunnel vision.

A ball hog is a ball hog. Look at their stats.

[PleezeBelieve]

Some kid who would have still been in college a generation ago is already not fit to be the leader for the rest of his career, right? He already peaked, apparently :rolleyes:
Doesn't matter to me about his age. The type of game he plays is of a 'me-first' variety that will never translate to him being a leader. His PG acumen is trash.

Look at their stats. They mirror each other.

[tomtucker]

no gay jokes.....?....ish is slipping :facepalm

[moe94]

Doesn't matter to me about his age. The type of game he plays is of a 'me-first' variety that will never translate to him being a leader.

This is the part where I list the names of players were this silly argument was used against. I mean, really? Did you really post that tired line? :roll:

Laughable.

[Hoopz2332]

Gay: 18.6.ppg (on 18 FGA a night) 7 rpg 2 apg 38%/37%/77%

Irving: 19.7 ppg (on 19 FGA a night) 3 rpg 6 apg 39%/33%/78%


I mean, when you really think about it, it's eerie how similar they are as players. Both started getting loved for being young, efficient scorers with a clutch gene but when asked to lead a ballclub, they failed miserably in the locker room and subsequently their stats drastically declined in the process.

Bow are they any different besides the position they play?


Kyrie is a better passer but overall I agree:oldlol:

[andremiller07]

Rudy Gay is about to be the #2 option while Kyrie will remain the #1 option

[chips93]

kyrie has been ineffiecnt for about 20 games, and very efficient for about 100 before that

rudy has been inefficient his entire career

[andremiller07]

kyrie has been ineffiecnt for about 20 games, and very efficient for about 100 before that

rudy has been inefficient his entire career
Look at the last 3 or so years in Memphis 46-47% is not bad at all for a SF who does other things.

[GOBB]

He's a troll. How long before you ignore him? :confusedshrug:

[Element]

Rudy is taller

[chips93]

Look at the last 3 or so years in Memphis 46-47% is not bad at all for a SF who does other things.

the fg% isnt bad, but he doesnt make enough threes, or get to the line enough to make up for the slightly sub par fg%.

he was below average in memphis efficiency wise, not terrible, but definitely below average. league average TS% is about 54%, he was barely above it twice in memphis, and a good bit below that mark the other 4 years.

and then obviously, the last year and a half, his efficiency has gotten a lot worse.

i dont think the comparison, efficienct wise, to irving is fair at all.

[salwan]

kyrie's salary matches his ability, which can't be said about rudy :lol

[jbryan1984]

I would always choose to keep Kyrie over Gay. Younger, handles the ball better and I think he can ultimately score better. Defense, I won't even comment on that, they both suck.

[DukeDelonte13]

irving is still struggling with learning how to manage his effort on both ends of the floor. Byron never held Kyrie accountable. Mike Brown is demanding Kryie play D. Rightly so, the leader of the team should be the one setting the tone.


People wanna dog on PB with waiters but in reality waiters has been the better player than Kyrie has in quite of few of the games played this season. Any intelligent cavs fan who watches the games will agree.

[imdaman99]

Knicks need an Irving. Knicks don't need Gay, they already have a better version of him in Melo.

[PleezeBelieve]

:roll: @ you fans of other teams who worship Irving when in actuality, he's not that good.

So hilarious

[TheCorporation]

no gay jokes.....?....ish is slipping :facepalm

You mean maturing?

[bdreason]

About 12 million dollars.

[hawkfan]

Bynum should have signed with the Hawks.

Bynum, Horford, Millsap in the front court - we'd be really competitive with the Pacers. And he would be a playoff team.

[MMM]

irving is still struggling with learning how to manage his effort on both ends of the floor. Byron never held Kyrie accountable. Mike Brown is demanding Kryie play D. Rightly so, the leader of the team should be the one setting the tone.


People wanna dog on PB with waiters but in reality waiters has been the better player than Kyrie has in quite of few of the games played this season. Any intelligent cavs fan who watches the games will agree.

Agreed, Waiters has been good in the 6th man role and I think Irving will eventually get over his current hurdle. Waiters still has star potential in him but like many young players needs consistency prior to reachin that level. As for Irving there is already a lot of good to great things he does but if he wants to reach an elite game changing level than his current process can only help him attain that.

[tpols]

There is no difference. Gay or not, were there for you man:cheers:

[TheCorporation]

About 12 million dollars.

:applause: :lol

[The JKidd Kid]

Gay is chucking at a position where his job is is score. Kyrie is chucking at a position where he's supposed to actually be running an offense. Also Gay actually knows what defense means.

[hawkfan]

Gay: 18.6.ppg (on 18 FGA a night) 7 rpg 2 apg 38%/37%/77%

Irving: 19.7 ppg (on 19 FGA a night) 3 rpg 6 apg 39%/33%/78%


I mean, when you really think about it, it's eerie how similar they are as players. Both started getting loved for being young, efficient scorers with a clutch gene but when asked to lead a ballclub, they failed miserably in the locker room and subsequently their stats drastically declined in the process.

Bow are they any different besides the position they play?

PleezeBelieve,

Who do you think is a better overall point guard right now: Irving or Teague?

[And1AllDay]

There is no difference. Gay or not, were there for you man:cheers:

:oldlol:

[MJ(Mean John)]

So wait a minute. I'm tripping. Because in all honesty, ISH can sometimes alter how a fan sees an nba player. When Gay was with the Grizz, I would catch some of his games, and guy was a stud. I mean, he scored, he rebounded, he played defense. Not LeBron or anything, but he had his moments. And you go on ISH and you bash the guy when he goes to the craptors. I mean, ppl bag on him and shit. Now, he isn't a good player?


And Kyrie, last I remembered, dude was a top 10 talent at PG, soon to be top 3. What has changed? Uncle drew was pretty good and I just haven't seen much of these two to be honest, but to hear ppl talk about them as if they don't want them on your roster, well then who the f. do you want? lol. Seemingly a lot of these players are looked at as trash and some guys are overrated like a mfer.

[razzredazzre]

But who's more dominant? That's the real question.

[ralph_i_el]

So wait a minute. I'm tripping. Because in all honesty, ISH can sometimes alter how a fan sees an nba player. When Gay was with the Grizz, I would catch some of his games, and guy was a stud. I mean, he scored, he rebounded, he played defense. Not LeBron or anything, but he had his moments. And you go on ISH and you bash the guy when he goes to the craptors. I mean, ppl bag on him and shit. Now, he isn't a good player?


And Kyrie, last I remembered, dude was a top 10 talent at PG, soon to be top 3. What has changed? Uncle drew was pretty good and I just haven't seen much of these two to be honest, but to hear ppl talk about them as if they don't want them on your roster, well then who the f. do you want? lol. Seemingly a lot of these players are looked at as trash and some guys are overrated like a mfer.

He scores well enough on his own but he has the carmelo-effect on his teammates. No ball movement.

[unbreakable]

meticode and redblackattack nowhere to be found :roll: :roll:

[Hoopz2332]

:lol

[PleezeBelieve]

:lol
Good try. Nothing about what I said is wrong still :roll:

[LilEddyCurry]

Last season Rudy Gay averaged 20 points on 48.2% shooting while playing for the Sacremento Kings. He's better than people make him to be.
P.s they are both better than Dion Waiters.

[Akrazotile]

Rudy is taller


Jailhouse gets empty

[Hoopz2332]

Good try. Nothing about what I said is wrong still :roll:


I agree with you. I've been saying that Kyrie is basically jameer nelson with flash since last season:lol