16-year-old boy killed four people while driving drunk

[Bigsmoke]

Ethan Couch, 16, of Keller, Texas, had faced 20 years behind bars but walked away with 10 years probation Tuesday



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2521743/Ethan-Couch-crash-Drink-driving-teen-killed-spared-jail-hes-rich.html

[boozehound]

he was also ticketed by cops after being found driving a pickup at age 15 with a passed out naked 14 yr old girl in it.

[bootsy]

Reading that really pisses me off

It doesn't seem real though. How can you kill 4 people, injure many others, steal alcohol, and be driving under the influence and get off with 10 years of probation?

Shouldn't he be in prison the majority of his life?
Yeah if his skin color was darker, a lot darker and he was poor.

[highwhey]

10 years probation? Wtf

Is the county attorney his relative?

[Bigsmoke]

10 years probation? Wtf

Is the county attorney his relative?

Its like that in Texas.

I know because I was born there

[AintNoSunshine]

he was also ticketed by cops after being found driving a pickup at age 15 with a passed out naked 14 yr old girl in it.

Pics or it didn't happen, you know the drill man

[Maniak]

Pics or it didn't happen, you know the drill man
:facepalm

[Bigsmoke]

That kid kinda look like Jeffrey Dahmer

[DCL]

that kid might turn out to be a ruthless criminal when he grows up.

he killed FOUR people and he only got 10 year probation???

he ain't gonna be afraid of the law with penalties like that... like that zimmerman muthafugga.

[Jameerthefear]

i wish he just crashed into a tree and killed himself.

[ace23]

Pics or it didn't happen, you know the drill man
:oldlol:

Story is pretty sickening tho

[Lebron23]

he was also ticketed by cops after being found driving a pickup at age 15 with a passed out naked 14 yr old girl in it.


:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[DukeDelonte13]

Wow. I can't believe that.

[HylianNightmare]

Trees are also alive, Jameer. :facepalm
:oldlol:

[East_Stone_Ya]

it just shows how much life is worth

[Blue&Orange]

Natural selection bitches... poor people trying to help someone got killed by a winner. Nothing to see here.



He'll be feeling the hand of God, definitely
:lol And this is why the world is a pile of shit.

If someone had the balls to put a bullet in that kid and the judge head's, world would be a better place, anyone doubt that?

[Horde of Temujin]

He looks like King Joffrey

[Horde of Temujin]

Natural selection bitches... poor people trying to help someone got killed by a winner. Nothing to see here.



:lol And this is why the world is a pile of shit.

If someone had the balls to put a bullet in that kid and the judge head's, world would be a better place, anyone doubt that?

I get your point, there are many many people who deservr a bulltet in their heads. He deserves to be in jail for a long long time, just alone for taking advantage of a passed out naked girl.
Rick prick.

[-p.tiddy-]

16 year olds are scary driving WHILE SOBER

a valium-alcohol mix on someone that age behind the wheel might as well be a 3 year old on a high seat driving



sigh, awful story...RIP

:(

[bagelred]

Look, he SAID he was sorry.

[PistonsFan#21]

The 4 people he killed must have been black or some other minorities

[longhornfan1234]

It sounds like he's getting 10 years in a treatment facility away from his parents... with the possibility of jail time if he doesn't comply with the court-imposed plan. Locking the kid up for 20 years just creates another tragedy and does nothing to bring back those lost.

[DukeDelonte13]

It sounds like he's getting 10 years in a treatment facility away from his parents... with the possibility of jail time if he doesn't comply with the court-imposed plan. Locking the kid up for 20 years just creates another tragedy and does nothing to bring back those lost.


he's not getting 10 years of treatment, he's gonna be on paper for 10 years.

If he screws up within the 10 years, the judge could impose jail time on the original crime.

I agree that locking the kid up doesn't do anything really, but in most instances, even if alcohol wasn't a factor, there would be jail time in a case like this.

This kid had a BAC of over .2 That's ridiculous for anyone, let alone a 16 year old kid.

I bet some money changed hands for this sentence. It's shocking. It's disgusting. The judge should step down from the bench after doling out that sentence. It REEKS of corruption.

[-p.tiddy-]

I thought 17 was legal adult age...I didn't think 16 year-olds could even go to prison

he looks like he is 80 lbs, that kid would just be a sex rag doll in prison

[Horde of Temujin]

It sounds like he's getting 10 years in a treatment facility away from his parents... with the possibility of jail time if he doesn't comply with the court-imposed plan. Locking the kid up for 20 years just creates another tragedy and does nothing to bring back those lost.

Thats a very liberal thing to say

[Dresta]

Diminished responsibility for being only 16 and out of control drunk.

[Loneshot]

We should start locking the parents up when these things happen. Your children, your responsibility. Don't want that responsibility, don't have children. This country is soft and off in all the wrong places, while some kid probably the same age as this one is doing just as many years of probation (if not in juvi until he's of legal age to be put in prison) for marijuana position...while walking. GTFOH America.

[jamal99]

Wow, I thought shit like this only happens here...

[moaz]

We should start locking the parents up when these things happen. Your children, your responsibility. Don't want that responsibility, don't have children. This country is soft and off in all the wrong places, while some kid probably the same age as this one is doing just as many years of probation (if not in juvi until he's of legal age to be put in prison) for marijuana position...while walking. GTFOH America.

You don't need to:
His legal defense was that he was spoiled by his parents

[I]Couch didn

[GOBB]

Disgusting. That judge needs to have their assets frozen and investigated. Did the dad pay the judge off? Families? Who does he know, has to be someone of importance. Reminds me of Boardwalk Empire.

I get busted with marijuana I'm doing 5 years. This scumbag piece of shyt kills 4 people and is free. Must be nice. :rolleyes:



16 year olds are scary driving WHILE SOBER

a valium-alcohol mix on someone that age behind the wheel might as well be a 3 year old on a high seat driving



sigh, awful story...RIP

:(

Your state strikes again.

[GOBB]

You don't need to:
His legal defense was that he was spoiled by his parents

Couch didn’t literally get out of jail because he slipped the judge a check. But with 20 years of jail — yes, 20 years — looming as a possible punishment for Couch, his attorney had the brilliant idea of bringing in psychologist Dr. G. Dick Miller to testify on Couch’s behalf. Dr. Miller’s testimony on the stand focused on Couch’s wealth: the teenager, he said, had grown up amid privilege and had often expected his money to get him out of trouble. Therefore, Couch did not have a basic understanding of consequences.

and From WFAA ABC:

Miller said Couch’s parents gave him “freedoms no young person should have.” He called Couch a product of “affluenza,” where his family felt that wealth bought privilege and there was no rational link between behavior and consequences.

He said Couch got whatever he wanted. As an example, Miller said Couch’s parents gave no punishment after police ticketed the then-15-year-old when he was found in a parked pickup with a passed out, undressed, 14-year-old girl.

:roll: affluenza, what the f*ck is that and how does that get one off. Must be nice. And holy shyt at the previous run in. Probably took advantage of the chick. Scumbag.

[gts]

So he gets off because he has no understanding of consequences for his actions...

Nice.... Thanks to the judge he still has no understanding of consequences for his actions

[Loneshot]

Scumbag shit indeed...but that defense attorney is probably rich as ****, dude pulled one sexy move to get the ol' boy off.

[GOBB]

he's not getting 10 years of treatment, he's gonna be on paper for 10 years.

If he screws up within the 10 years, the judge could impose jail time on the original crime.

I agree that locking the kid up doesn't do anything really, but in most instances, even if alcohol wasn't a factor, there would be jail time in a case like this.

This kid had a BAC of over .2 That's ridiculous for anyone, let alone a 16 year old kid.

I bet some money changed hands for this sentence. It's shocking. It's disgusting. The judge should step down from the bench after doling out that sentence. It REEKS of corruption.

totally agreed. Got damn this story pisses me off.

[GOBB]

So he gets off because he has no understanding of consequences for his actions...

Nice.... Thanks to the judge he still has no understanding of consequences for his actions

How about that. So his next run in with the law he could say the same thing and also use this judge as a reference.

[gts]

How about that. So his next run in with the law he could say the same thing and also use this judge as a reference.
ha... yep..
Kid's attorney just added another contact in the kid's "people I blame for why I'm f*cked up" folder

[-p.tiddy-]

Your state strikes again.
yes, money has no impact on the legal system in the other 49 states...

[Loneshot]

How about that. So his next run in with the law he could say the same thing and also use this judge as a reference.

Nah, they'll let him burn the next time. I'm betting his old man pulled a pretty big favor so he won't have another to play. Not to mention the debt he owes to whoever set it all up with the court.

[bdreason]

What's ridiculous is the reasoning behind the judges sentence was that the kid had never been punished properly. So I guess letting him off the hook again is the answer? :confusedshrug:

[MavsSuperFan]

Thats messed up imo he deserves the death penalty

I feel we are way too reluctant in issuing death sentences in cases like this where guilt is clear.

[ace23]

I get busted with marijuana I'm doing 5 years. This scumbag piece of shyt kills 4 people and is free. Must be nice. :rolleyes:
:roll: You been to court yet?

[MavsSuperFan]

The 4 people he killed must have been black or some other minorities
the victims were mentioned in the story

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/12/article-2418796-1BC76832000005DC-714_306x423.jpg
Breanna Mitchell

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/12/article-2418796-1BC76929000005DC-484_634x528.jpg
Killed: Hollie Boyles, 52, and her daughter, Shelby Boyles, 21, were helping out the driver of a broken down SUV when they were struck and killed by Couch's out-of-control pickup

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/12/article-2418796-1BC76879000005DC-418_306x423.jpg
Killed: Brian Jennings, 41, was parked on the side of the road when Ethan Couch's pickup truck drove into him and three others

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/10/article-2359413-1ABF721A000005DC-492_306x423.jpg
Sergio Molina remains in a coma

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/10/article-2359413-1ABF721A000005DC-581_306x423.jpg
Soliman Mohmand, right, was seriously injured. They were both riding in Couch's truck when the cash occured


there were 2 minorities injured, both were riding with the white killer couch.


'Money always seems to keep (Couch) out of trouble,' Eric Boyles, whose wife and daughter were killed in the June 15 crash, told the Star Telegram after sentencing. 'Ultimately today, I felt that money did prevail. If (he) had been any other youth, I feel like the circumstances would have been different.'
:( :(

[-p.tiddy-]

guys, people aren't getting life sentences for having pot on them...some of you are REALLY exaggerating that

Nate Newton of the Dallas Cowboys:


On November 4, 2001 police in St. Martin Parish, Louisiana, arrested Newton after he was found to have 213 pounds of marijuana during a traffic stop of Newton's white van.[3] Five weeks later, on December 12, 2001, Newton was again stopped in Texas and was arrested after a search of his vehicle revealed he possessed 175 pounds of marijuana.[4] He was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison for drug trafficking, and has since reportedly gone straight

so he got caught with a van full of pot...213 lbs (not exactly a dime bag)...and did NO TIME...THEN 5 weeks later got caught doing the same thing (while on probation I assume) and did 30 months.

basically you have to be a big team supplier of pot and get caught multiple times to do just a couple years...

[GOBB]

:roll: You been to court yet?

Huh? Make sense when you reply to me.

[ace23]

Huh? Make sense when you reply to me.
Haha, idiot.

You should have added an "if" to that first sentence. You made it sound like you were about to do time.

But I'm the one not making sense.

[Loneshot]

guys, people aren't getting life sentences for having pot on them...some of you are REALLY exaggerating that

Nate Newton of the Dallas Cowboys:



so he got caught with a van full of pot...213 lbs (not exactly a dime bag)...and did NO TIME...THEN 5 weeks later got caught doing the same thing (while on probation I assume) and did 30 months.

basically you have to be a big team supplier of pot and get caught multiple times to do just a couple years...

Just stop, bro.

[GOBB]

Haha, idiot.

You should have added an "if" to that first sentence. You made it sound like you were about to do time.

But I'm the one not making sense.

Huh? You're really a dumb individual because you lack common sense. No one else questioned my post over the lack of "if" but you "Ace". I cant stand kids like you. Swear they are smart but dumb as a doorknob

[ace23]

Huh? You're really a dumb individual because you lack common sense. No one else questioned my post over the lack of "if" but you "Ace". I cant stand kids like you. Swear they are smart but dumb as a doorknob
When the hell have I claimed to be smart?

Calm down, mailman. :oldlol:

[GOBB]

When the hell have I claimed to be smart?

Calm down, mailman. :oldlol:

You're just proving my point. And you're too stupid to realize it. The only person you're outsmarting here is yourself sadly. I don't have to put "if" for someone to understand my post/point. Yet you couldn't. Go figure dumbass

Oh look, mailman joke. Punchline? When you reach 25 you're no longer on your mothers health insurance. Then what are you going to do? Come on smarty pants. "I'll google it or ask ISH".

[ace23]

You're just proving my point. And you're too stupid to realize it. The only person you're outsmarting here is yourself sadly. I don't have to put "if" for someone to understand my post/point. Yet you couldn't. Go figure dumbass

Oh look, mailman joke. Punchline? When you reach 25 you're no longer on your mothers health insurance. Then what are you going to do? Come on smarty pants. "I'll google it or ask ISH".
:roll: Why are you mad? Haha, it was a misunderstanding.

I'll be rich as fk by 25 btw.

[Jameerthefear]

:roll: Why are you mad? Haha, it was a misunderstanding.

I'll be rich as fk by 25 btw.
if your rich can you buy me something. like an ish friends present?

[MavsSuperFan]

:roll: Why are you mad? Haha, it was a misunderstanding.

I'll be rich as fk by 25 btw.
Are you studying finance?

Or are you refering to your rapping?

[ace23]

Are you studying finance?

Or are you refering to your rapping?
No, CS major. Not really trying to work for anyone though.

I'll be on top of the rap game by then, too so sure.

[97 bulls]

Since the boys parents are being blamed, can the victims families file a civil suit against them?

Or better yet is there a case?

[gts]

Since the boys parents are being blamed, can the victims families file a civil suit against them?

Or better yet is there a case? I think I read there's already been 3 suits filed against the kid.

[9erempiree]

I think I read there's already been 3 suits filed against the kid.

Against the kid that has no money.

The parents have the money. The car is probably under the parents' name.

[-p.tiddy-]

At age 16 I believe whoever supplied the booz and valium would be held responsible for the boy's actions, but the booz where stolen, and he likely stole the valium from his rich mother as well...

[Heavincent]

Judge was definitely paid off.

[longtime lurker]

Jesus this can't be real life. Imagine if this kid was a minority and/or poor. This kid killed 4 people and he's gotten off with this shit in the past.

[Dictator]

We should start locking the parents up when these things happen. Your children, your responsibility. Don't want that responsibility, don't have children. This country is soft and off in all the wrong places, while some kid probably the same age as this one is doing just as many years of probation (if not in juvi until he's of legal age to be put in prison) for marijuana position...while walking. GTFOH America.

Lock up the parents? Wth

Fck that, lock up the asshole who actually did the killing.

[Heavincent]

Jesus this can't be real life. Imagine if this kid was a minority and/or poor.

Skin color doesn't matter. What matters is that he has a rich daddy with connections.

[MavsSuperFan]

Skin color doesn't matter. What matters is that he has a rich daddy with connections.
I agree with this.

IMO america today is much more classist than it is racist. It just so happens that on average whites tend to be richer. (because of the advantages in the past of whiteness)

anybody really think if this kid looked exactly the same but his dad was a coal miner and he lived in a trailer park he would get away with this?

Anybody really think a rich politically well connected black man couldn't get his kid off?
Eg. OJ simpsons getting away with murder.

[GOBB]

I agree with this.

IMO america today is much more classist than it is racist. It just so happens that on average whites tend to be richer. (because of the advantages in the past of whiteness)

anybody really think if this kid looked exactly the same but his dad was a coal miner and he lived in a trailer park he would get away with this?

Anybody really think a rich politically well connected black man couldn't get his kid off?
Eg. OJ simpsons getting away with murder.

Nick Van Exel son got 60 years for killing his friend. In the state of Texas.

[longtime lurker]

I agree with this.

IMO america today is much more classist than it is racist. It just so happens that on average whites tend to be richer. (because of the advantages in the past of whiteness)

anybody really think if this kid looked exactly the same but his dad was a coal miner and he lived in a trailer park he would get away with this?

Anybody really think a rich politically well connected black man couldn't get his kid off?
Eg. OJ simpsons getting away with murder.

Umm no. You have to look at things on a case by case basis but I've seen statistics that african americans face harsher penalties than whites despite committing the same crimes.

[Heavincent]

I agree with this.

IMO america today is much more classist than it is racist. It just so happens that on average whites tend to be richer. (because of the advantages in the past of whiteness)

anybody really think if this kid looked exactly the same but his dad was a coal miner and he lived in a trailer park he would get away with this?

Anybody really think a rich politically well connected black man couldn't get his kid off?
Eg. OJ simpsons getting away with murder.

This guy gets it.

[Rasheed1]

I agree with this.

IMO america today is much more classist than it is racist. It just so happens that on average whites tend to be richer. (because of the advantages in the past of whiteness)

anybody really think if this kid looked exactly the same but his dad was a coal miner and he lived in a trailer park he would get away with this?

Anybody really think a rich politically well connected black man couldn't get his kid off?
Eg. OJ simpsons getting away with murder.


I would agree that class ultimately trumps race, but the institutions in America live off of the stereotypes defined by race and minorities pay dearly for preconceived notions a lot of times.... Money does play a large role, but so does race ...

money helps is the main factor, but that doesn't always guarantee effective council

[longtime lurker]

FYI the same judge in the story sentenced a 14 year old black kid to 10 years for punching a guy who later later died in an unprovoked attack.

[MavsSuperFan]

Umm no. You have to look at things on a case by case basis but I've seen statistics that african americans face harsher penalties than whites despite committing the same crimes.

I have also seen those stats. I think it is due to the fact that on average whites have higher income and more net worth. being richer allows you to hire more talented defense attorneys. Poor people need to rely on public defenders. If you need to rely on a public defender because you are too poor to hire a defense attorney you are probably going to have a higher chance of getting convicted and get a harsher sentence.

IMO the correlation you described is caused by the wealth disparity for the most part.

FYI the same judge in the story sentenced a 14 year old black kid to 10 years for punching a guy who later later died in an unprovoked attack.

Frankly 10 years is too light a sentence for killing a man for no reason.

Eric Couch imo deserves the death penalty for killing 4 people.

[ROCSteady]

Thats messed up imo he deserves the death penalty

I feel we are way too reluctant in issuing death sentences in cases like this where guilt is clear.

A Texan would say that. After all the people your state has wrongfully executed...yet you still run to the death penalty as such an easy solution and method of justice.

You don't just kill a fckn 16 year old, no matter how much of a dumbass, entitled, irresponsible little shithead he was that tragically killed a lot of innocent nice people. That's a terrible precedent to even consider. The kid should be locked up but where do u get off saying that he doesn't have an opportunity to redeem himself?

The scary thing is that Texas is the most homogenous state I've ever been to with irresponsible mentalities prevalent such as the above dumbass who advocates killing a teenager who went way overboard and ruined many lives yes, but this kid isn't a willing serial killer.

[MavsSuperFan]

A Texan would say that. After all the people your state has wrongfully executed...yet you still run to the death penalty as such an easy solution and method of justice.

You don't just kill a fckn 16 year old, no matter how much of a dumbass, entitled, irresponsible little shithead he was that tragically killed a lot of innocent nice people. That's a terrible precedent to even consider. The kid should be locked up but where do u get off saying that he doesn't have an opportunity to redeem himself?

The scary thing is that Texas is the most homogenous state I've ever been to with irresponsible mentalities prevalent such as the above dumbass who advocates killing a teenager who went way overboard and ruined many lives yes, but this kid isn't a willing serial killer.

Notice i said when the subject is clearly guilty. I dont support the death penalty in case where guilt is not 100% clear.

Eg that guy that shot up that theater where batman was playing should get the needle. Because it is 100% clear he did it. Also that younger brother who did the boston bombing should also get the needle imo. That dc sniper and his son should also get it.

In cases where circumstantial evidence is used Eg. some guys wife gets killed and it gets put on his head because the cops cant find another lead and he gets convicted, I dont think the death penalty should be used.

But in cases where it is absolutely clear, with 0% doubt that the person killed someone else, yes they deserve to die.


You don't just kill a fckn 16 year old, no matter how much of a dumbass, entitled, irresponsible little shithead he was that tragically killed a lot of innocent nice people. That's a terrible precedent to even consider. The kid should be locked up but where do u get off saying that he doesn't have an opportunity to redeem himself?

Can he resurrect people from the dead?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/10/article-2359413-1ABF473D000005DC-615_634x380.jpg


Tragic: Jennings, pictured second from left, was a father of three and a youth minister in Burleson

Can he bring back brian jennings? and give his wife and kids back their dad?

Some crimes are unforgivable. Quite frankly imo a guy like eric couch if he were being executed would be getting a more merciful death than he deserves.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/12/article-2418796-1BC76929000005DC-484_634x528.jpg


Killed: Hollie Boyles, 52, and her daughter, Shelby Boyles, 21, were helping out the driver of a broken down SUV when they were struck and killed by Couch's out-of-control pickup



'Money always seems to keep (Couch) out of trouble,' Eric Boyles, whose wife and daughter were killed in the June 15 crash, told the Star Telegram after sentencing. 'Ultimately today, I felt that money did prevail. If (he) had been any other youth, I feel like the circumstances would have been different.'

Where is your sympathy for eric boyles?


advocates killing a teenager who went way overboard and ruined many lives yes, but this kid isn't a willing serial killer.

lol teenager :rolleyes:

Murderer is more like it. Driving while drunk is a malicious action.

[-p.tiddy-]

it's not "murder" mavs fan...it was an awful irresponsible and careless accident...that KID didn't go out trying to kill anyone, he probably didn't even know his own name...benzos and booz is killer combo

DUI/manslaghter has to be one of the hardest things for a judge to deal with...esp young underage cases with no priors...you have people that get off for things due to the insanity plea, but when you are black out drunk you are literally insane...

When a human is extremely drunk it is almost a given he will make a horrible decision that he would NEVER make while sober...being drunk and doing stupid things go hand in hand

and I'm not saying that this kid shouldn't be punished, he should see a very harsh punishment IMO...but the death penalty is out of the question, someone that young definitely deserves a second chance

[ROCSteady]

Of course those families have my sympathy. That's pretty much a given for innocent people killed and those affected by a horrendous, nonsensical act like this.

Hate to break it to you but just because a story like this is maddening and someone is knowingly 100% wrong or guilty does not mean that person deserves to die. Does he deserve a much more harsh penalty? Absolutely. Is the American (your dumbass state in this instance) justice system flawed and inconsistent? For sure.

It's just your weak, blood thirsty attitude is nonsensical for a tragedy like this which really was a pointless act of unfathomable judgment. If you can't see the differences in the D.C. sniper, Boston Marathon bombers, shooter in Colorado who murdered people as their primary objective and this foolish young driver than I don't know what to tell you. To lump them in with this young guy is just a ridiculous stance. He killed people, yes, ruined multiple lives but despite your pitchfork mentality, intent is important when sentencing people guilty of crimes.

I guess you are just simple and have a lazy mentality if you cannot see the margins that exist within this tragedy and the evil acts you try to compare it to.

What to do? Ah, execute everybody who has ever taken a life! Sure buddy, those killed cannot be brought back but they can't be brought back by capital punishment either. Way to perpetuate the stereotypes about your backwards ass state. People like you have a right to have an opinion in these matters but the validity of them belongs grouped within a vacuum that is far removed from actual reality and the complicated nuances that cause and effect can have.

[MavsSuperFan]

it's not "murder" mavs fan...it was an awful irresponsible and careless accident...that KID didn't go out trying to kill anyone, he probably didn't even know his own name...benzos and booz is killer combo

DUI/manslaghter has to be one of the hardest things for a judge to deal with...esp young underage cases with no priors...you have people that get off for things due to the insanity plea, but when you are black out drunk you are literally insane...

When a human is extremely drunk it is almost a given he will make a horrible decision that he would NEVER make while sober...being drunk and doing stupid things go hand in hand

and I'm not saying that this kid shouldn't be punished, he should see a very harsh punishment IMO...but the death penalty is out of the question, someone that young definitely deserves a second chance

We infantilize people too much in our society. you see these 20+ yr olds still living with their parents.

16 is old enough to know better. I knew better at 16. I know that we dont give out the death penalty for manslaughter. I am just saying I would have no problem with it if we did.

I also know that it is not technically a murderer, just saying to me he is a murderer. Eg. technically neither george bush or Obama are murderers, but to me they are.

[-p.tiddy-]

Of course those families have my sympathy. That's pretty much a given for innocent people killed and those affected by a horrendous, nonsensical act like this.

Hate to break it to you but just because a story like this is maddening and someone is knowingly 100% wrong or guilty does not mean that person deserves to die. Does he deserve a much more harsh penalty? Absolutely. Is the American (your dumbass state in this instance) justice system flawed and inconsistent? For sure.

It's just your weak, blood thirsty attitude is nonsensical for a tragedy like this which really was a pointless act of unfathomable judgment. If you can't see the differences in the D.C. sniper, Boston Marathon bombers, shooter in Colorado who murdered people as their primary objective and this foolish young driver than I don't know what to tell you. To lump them in with this young guy is just a ridiculous stance. He killed people, yes, ruined multiple lives but despite your pitchfork mentality, intent is important when sentencing people guilty of crimes.

I guess you are just simple and have a lazy mentality if you cannot see the margins that exist within this tragedy and the evil acts you try to compare it to.

What to do? Ah, execute everybody who has ever taken a life! Sure buddy, those killed cannot be brought back but they can't be brought back by capital punishment either. Way to perpetuate the stereotypes about your backwards ass state. People like you have a right to have an opinion in these matters but the validity of them belongs grouped within a vacuum that is far removed from actual reality and the complicated nuances that cause and effect can have.
I agree with all this except you trying to pin shit on Texas as though other states don't have flawed court rooms...money affects legal issues everywhere

[ROCSteady]

Wow you certainly have a very...dismissive mentality i.e. you don't think things through before coming to an ultimate judgment.

[-p.tiddy-]

We infantilize people too much in our society. you see these 20+ yr olds still living with their parents.

16 is old enough to know better. I knew better at 16. I know that we dont give out the death penalty for manslaughter. I am just saying I would have no problem with it if we did.

I also know that it is not technically a murderer, just saying to me he is a murderer. Eg. technically neither george bush or Obama are murderers, but to me they are.
no it isn't...and apparently this kid had the emotional state of a 12 year old too

Just everyone is stupid and clueless at age 16...I honestly wish the age limit to get a drivers licence was raised to 17-18

[MavsSuperFan]

Of course those families have my sympathy. That's pretty much a given for innocent people killed and those affected by a horrendous, nonsensical act like this.

Hate to break it to you but just because a story like this is maddening and someone is knowingly 100% wrong or guilty does not mean that person deserves to die. Does he deserve a much more harsh penalty? Absolutely. Is the American (your dumbass state in this instance) justice system flawed and inconsistent? For sure.

It's just your weak, blood thirsty attitude is nonsensical for a tragedy like this which really was a pointless act of unfathomable judgment. If you can't see the differences in the D.C. sniper, Boston Marathon bombers, shooter in Colorado who murdered people as their primary objective and this foolish young driver than I don't know what to tell you. To lump them in with this young guy is just a ridiculous stance. He killed people, yes, ruined multiple lives but despite your pitchfork mentality, intent is important when sentencing people guilty of crimes.

I guess you are just simple and have a lazy mentality if you cannot see the margins that exist within this tragedy and the evil acts you try to compare it to.

What to do? Ah, execute everybody who has ever taken a life! Sure buddy, those killed cannot be brought back but they can't be brought back by capital punishment either. Way to perpetuate the stereotypes about your backwards ass state. People like you have a right to have an opinion in these matters but the validity of them belongs grouped within a vacuum that is far removed from actual reality and the complicated nuances that cause and effect can have.

I think those guys deserve to die more. If I was in control (ala kim jong un) eric couch would die also.

I want eric couch to die im not going to deny that. But I have never said that according to our laws he should die. I think our laws are too lenient in these cases.


I guess you are just simple and have a lazy mentality if you cannot see the margins that exist within this tragedy and the evil acts you try to compare it to.


The acts I brought up were to defend the concept of the death penalty, and how I wish it were applied. I never said this case was as bad.

I recognize this kid didnt intend to kill people. But he killed four people. I want him to die.


What to do? Ah, execute everybody who has ever taken a life! Sure buddy, those killed cannot be brought back but they can't be brought back by capital punishment either.

I have never said that. I think there are legitimate reasons to take a life. Eg self defense.

Also I clear indicated I think the justice system should have an element of punitive punishment in it.

[ROCSteady]

I agree with all this except you trying to pin shit on Texas as though other states don't have flawed court rooms...money affects legal issues everywhere

Yes, this is true. I'm sorry. I shouldn't demonize the state of Texas over this shit because that's not very level-headed. It's just that I have a lot of loved ones in my family that I enjoy visiting often in Texas and some of them have this idea that Texas is the greatest state and extra proud and have this idea of superiority about their Conservative ideals and the 'right' way to govern things.

It's just gets on my nerves the attitude about how sufficient and affective Texas is compared to other states while also doing a lot of terrible things like wrongful execution, etc. I will say that Texas is a great state and it has a strong identity there but the attitude of many Texans is much too arrogant, dismissive and tunnel-visioned for me not to have an issue with the way they prop up their internal dealings while also having a history of having a more savage nature.

[MavsSuperFan]

Wow you certainly have a very...dismissive mentality i.e. you don't think things through before coming to an ultimate judgment.
Im sorry if I have given you that impression.
I am actually a very introspective person.
I am more vindictive/less forgiving than you.

All I was saying is I hope eric couch dies, because his actions killed 4 innocent people. I know there wasnt a possibility he would get the death penalty anywhere in America. I was lamenting that fact.

[ROCSteady]

I think those guys deserve to die more. If I was in control (ala kim jong un) eric couch would die also.

I want eric couch to die im not going to deny that. But I have never said that according to our laws he should die. I think our laws are too lenient in these cases.



The acts I brought up were to defend the concept of the death penalty, and how I wish it were applied. I never said this case was as bad.

I recognize this kid didnt intend to kill people. But he killed four people. I want him to die.



I have never said that. I think there are legitimate reasons to take a life. Eg self defense.

Also I clear indicated I think the justice system should have an element of punitive punishment in it.

Well good thing you have zero involvement in any of these matters. You must have very little compassion to wish death upon every single person who has committed murder. What about crimes of passion in which murder was not premeditated but the unfortunate outcome? That's not self defense either but I guess it's off to the chambers with every single one of them, no hope for them. Murderers can be redeemed and the motivations of terrible acts, even in homicide, can be very tricky and way less ruthless than dismissing every killer as a ruthless animal that needs to be put down.

[MavsSuperFan]

Well good thing you have zero involvement in any of these matters. You must have very little compassion to wish death upon every single person who has committed murder. What about crimes of passion in which murder was not premeditated but the unfortunate outcome? That's not self defense either but I guess it's off to the chambers with every single one of them, no hope for them. Murderers can be redeemed and the motivations of terrible acts, even in homicide, can be very tricky and way less ruthless than dismissing every killer as a ruthless animal that needs to be put down.

Well good thing you have zero involvement in any of these matters.
no more so than you. we both only have our vote :cheers:

Unless you have been elected to a legislative position?


You must have very little compassion to wish death upon every single person who has committed murder.
I think people like you have too little compassion for the victims and too much for the perps.

I have never said that I wished death on everyone that committed a murder.
Obviously you take it on a case by case bases. Eg, your examples of a crime of passion.

Eg. like in that movie a time to kill. Felt nothing by smpathy for Carl Lee Hailey (obviously with the exception of the deputy he injured and caused the amputation of.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3wmalg6Xn1r5r8duo3_r1_250.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3wmalg6Xn1r5r8duo4_r1_250.gif

I am saying eric couch did enough imo to deserve to die, for his actions in this case. I might feel totally different about another case.


What about crimes of passion in which murder was not premeditated but the unfortunate outcome?
We are all capable of deductive reasoning. We can all decided on the merits any individual case and how we feel about it.


Murderers can be redeemed and the motivations of terrible acts, even in homicide, can be very tricky and way less ruthless than dismissing every killer as a ruthless animal that needs to be put down.

I dont think Couch needs to be put down, I would like to see him put down out of vengeance. its how I would feel if one of the people he killed were a family member of mine. So I think it would be hypocritical to be lenient on him just because I dont know the people he killed. Somebody knew them and somebody loved them and they deserve justice and vengeance imo.

[ace23]

His name is Ethan, not Eric. Pretty sure you're thinking of the former Nebraska QB lol.

[Loneshot]

no more so than you. we both only have our vote :cheers:

Unless you have been elected to a legislative position?


I think people like you have too little compassion for the victims and too much for the perps.

I have never said that I wished death on everyone that committed a murder.
Obviously you take it on a case by case bases. Eg, your examples of a crime of passion.

Eg. like in that movie a time to kill. Felt nothing by smpathy for Carl Lee Hailey (obviously with the exception of the deputy he injured and caused the amputation of.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3wmalg6Xn1r5r8duo3_r1_250.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3wmalg6Xn1r5r8duo4_r1_250.gif

I am saying eric couch did enough imo to deserve to die, for his actions in this case. I might feel totally different about another case.


We are all capable of deductive reasoning. We can all decided on the merits any individual case and how we feel about it.



I dont think Couch needs to be put down, I would like to see him put down out of vengeance. its how I would feel if one of the people he killed were a family member of mine. So I think it would be hypocritical to be lenient on him just because I dont know the people he killed. Somebody knew them and somebody loved them and they deserve justice and vengeance imo.

c-c-c-combo!

[MavsSuperFan]

His name is Ethan, not Eric. Pretty sure you're thinking of the former Nebraska QB lol.
my bad

also this murder was justified imo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE

[ace23]

my bad

also this murder was justified imo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE
Lol @ 5 years probation

[ROCSteady]

no more so than you. we both only have our vote :cheers:

Unless you have been elected to a legislative position?


I think people like you have too little compassion for the victims and too much for the perps.

I have never said that I wished death on everyone that committed a murder.
Obviously you take it on a case by case bases. Eg, your examples of a crime of passion.

Eg. like in that movie a time to kill. Felt nothing by smpathy for Carl Lee Hailey (obviously with the exception of the deputy he injured and caused the amputation of.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3wmalg6Xn1r5r8duo3_r1_250.gif
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3wmalg6Xn1r5r8duo4_r1_250.gif

I am saying eric couch did enough imo to deserve to die, for his actions in this case. I might feel totally different about another case.


We are all capable of deductive reasoning. We can all decided on the merits any individual case and how we feel about it.



I dont think Couch needs to be put down, I would like to see him put down out of vengeance. its how I would feel if one of the people he killed were a family member of mine. So I think it would be hypocritical to be lenient on him just because I dont know the people he killed. Somebody knew them and somebody loved them and they deserve justice and vengeance imo.

Hell no I have zero desire to be an elected public official.

Vengeance doesn't get anybody anywhere, it doesn't ever really heal any loss of the heart for the families. It is a temporary resonance mostly that just adheres to the primal side of human beings. What's done is done and nothing can change that void for the surviving relatives. I really don't have any compassion for the drunk teenager, you're implying that I think he should be consoled and hugged for his life-altering mistake because he was young and dumb. I don't think that at all. I just think it's irresponsible and a downright lazy mentality to think he should be killed for this, no matter how horrific and angering his actions are.

I would like to think as human beings we continue to evolve and improve instead of clinging to Dark Ages mentality when handling wrongdoers. I guess you approve of a static nature of society. I guess it's all good to you since lethal injections have replaced beheadings, crucifixions, hangings, firing squads etc. but the mentality is the same as the primitive. Mankind just repeats its nature over and over and over again, whether or not its really given the real victims (families) any peace. Calling for blood as often as you seem to is funny because I doubt people like you (mob mentality pitchforkers) who yearn for the scalps of perps while not having any direct connection to the incident don't lose any sleep over these things. Yet you want to stamp the punctuation on someone's existence when this will be out of your mind in the near future. Funny.

Enjoy thinking primitive

[ROCSteady]

my bad

also this murder was justified imo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi3Hyxuf5AE


I don't have any problem with what that father did, I thought it admirable he said Fck the Law in this instance. It takes balls and principles to go through with that. Ultimately, the judge and jurors understood his motivations and I would have too.

[MadeFromDust]

Man if the sentencing in this case isn't a sign of blatant racism in society, then I don't know what would be. :facepalm

[MavsSuperFan]

I don't have any problem with what that father did, I thought it admirable he said Fck the Law in this instance. It takes balls and principles to go through with that. Ultimately, the judge and jurors understood his motivations and I would have too.
I agree.

Each case needs to be evaluated individually. I read a case a while ago this guy killed the priest that molested him as a kid, and got time for it. I wouldnt have given him any time.

In the case of couch he killed 4 people with his actions.

IIRC
he stole the alcohol and pills.
He was underaged drinking.
There is zero debate about this sequence of events.

He killed 4 innocent people unprovoked. I wish he would be executed. I imagine how I would feel if one of the 4 were my loved ones.

[MavsSuperFan]

Hell no I have zero desire to be an elected public official.

Vengeance doesn't get anybody anywhere, it doesn't ever really heal any loss of the heart for the families. It is a temporary resonance mostly that just adheres to the primal side of human beings. What's done is done and nothing can change that void for the surviving relatives. I really don't have any compassion for the drunk teenager, you're implying that I think he should be consoled and hugged for his life-altering mistake because he was young and dumb. I don't think that at all. I just think it's irresponsible and a downright lazy mentality to think he should be killed for this, no matter how horrific and angering his actions are.

I would like to think as human beings we continue to evolve and improve instead of clinging to Dark Ages mentality when handling wrongdoers. I guess you approve of a static nature of society. I guess it's all good to you since lethal injections have replaced beheadings, crucifixions, hangings, firing squads etc. but the mentality is the same as the primitive. Mankind just repeats its nature over and over and over again, whether or not its really given the real victims (families) any peace. Calling for blood as often as you seem to is funny because I doubt people like you (mob mentality pitchforkers) who yearn for the scalps of perps while not having any direct connection to the incident don't lose any sleep over these things. Yet you want to stamp the punctuation on someone's existence when this will be out of your mind in the near future. Funny.

Enjoy thinking primitive


Vengeance doesn't get anybody anywhere, it doesn't ever really heal any loss of the heart for the families.
I disagree. I know it would make me feel better to see couch die, if he killed someone I loved.


I really don't have any compassion for the drunk teenager, you're implying that I think he should be consoled and hugged for his life-altering mistake because he was young and dumb. I don't think that at all.
So whats your alternative?

Second of all it makes no difference to me if couch can redeem himself. My point is he took away 4 people's chance at life. IMO he doesnt deserve one either.


I just think it's irresponsible and a downright lazy mentality to think he should be killed for this, no matter how horrific and angering his actions are.
We fundamentally disagree.
I have zero problem with the death penalty in theory. I do have a huge problem with how it is implemented. Eg. the cases where the executed party turned out to be innocent.

I have read stories where the DA just wants a conviction and holds back evidence. I think thats despicable and those DAs should be prosecuted.

But the concept of capital punishment to me is completely fair and just. It should be limited to cases where guilty is 100% certain and should be applied more often imo.

Also obviously you take into consideration mitigating circumstances.


I would like to think as human beings we continue to evolve and improve instead of clinging to Dark Ages mentality when handling wrongdoers.

Some things humans got right from the beginning:confusedshrug:


I guess you approve of a static nature of society.
Nope, I am all about technology, education, etc.

Eg. I am an atheist, who believes in the scientific process.

You seem too quick to group people into categories based on one political view point.


I guess it's all good to you since lethal injections have replaced beheadings, crucifixions, hangings, firing squads etc. but the mentality is the same as the primitive.
agreed.


Calling for blood as often as you seem to is funny because I doubt people like you (mob mentality pitchforkers) who yearn for the scalps of perps while not having any direct connection to the incident don't lose any sleep over these things. Yet you want to stamp the punctuation on someone's existence when this will be out of your mind in the near future. Funny.
I am calling for couch's execution because it is what I would hope would be done if he had killed a love one of mine.

Maybe you can forgive the killing of your mom and sister, but I wouldnt be able to. I would laterally be throwing up right now if it was one of my loved ones killed by couch. And I think if you hold opinions like mine, you hold a responsibility to hold them for other people as well as your own loved ones.

I want to stamp a period on couch's existence, because he did so for 4 innocent people.


Enjoy thinking primitive
Learn to debate without ad hominem attacks.

[MavsSuperFan]

FYI the same judge in the story sentenced a 14 year old black kid to 10 years for punching a guy who later later died in an unprovoked attack.
Thinking about it more, that judge needs to be looked into for being overly lenient.

I'm guessing this was a case of Knockout right?

Where the 14 year old randomly chose an old man walking down the street and punched him for shit and giggles?

The guy got knocked out hit the ground and died from the brain trauma is what I am guessing.

10 years for that seems way too light for me. he probably stole 30 years at least from that guy.

[Dictator]

Hell no I have zero desire to be an elected public official.

Vengeance doesn't get anybody anywhere, it doesn't ever really heal any loss of the heart for the families. It is a temporary resonance mostly that just adheres to the primal side of human beings. What's done is done and nothing can change that void for the surviving relatives. I really don't have any compassion for the drunk teenager, you're implying that I think he should be consoled and hugged for his life-altering mistake because he was young and dumb. I don't think that at all. I just think it's irresponsible and a downright lazy mentality to think he should be killed for this, no matter how horrific and angering his actions are.

I would like to think as human beings we continue to evolve and improve instead of clinging to Dark Ages mentality when handling wrongdoers. I guess you approve of a static nature of society. I guess it's all good to you since lethal injections have replaced beheadings, crucifixions, hangings, firing squads etc. but the mentality is the same as the primitive. Mankind just repeats its nature over and over and over again, whether or not its really given the real victims (families) any peace. Calling for blood as often as you seem to is funny because I doubt people like you (mob mentality pitchforkers) who yearn for the scalps of perps while not having any direct connection to the incident don't lose any sleep over these things. Yet you want to stamp the punctuation on someone's existence when this will be out of your mind in the near future. Funny.

Enjoy thinking primitive

I understand what you're saying my dude, but stop trying to act superior. How is your opinion better than his? Every situation is different, the thought of a death penalty isn't primitive, it's just that person's opinion. :facepalm Talking about the damn dark ages.....

[ROCSteady]

Fair enough viewpoint. I can see where I went a tad overboard, I just think humans have a tendency to cling onto a basic, fundamental mindset when inconsolable tragedies occur. The things that really make no sense or have any rhyme or reason to the tragedy. It's always a bad look when we pack like drones and want blood for something that really doesn't affect us personally, regardless of how angry it makes us momentarily, our lives aren't the ones forever changed.

Sry everyone for coming off like a holier than thou douche. I guess at the end of the day, our species and the individuals that makeup the population are really all just full of shit and we are all hypocrites. Some are finite hypocrites, some are blatant hypocrites but we all are full of shit to some degree. No matter how much we wish to be progressive and self aware.

Myself included no doubt.

[Just2McFly]

I thought 17 was legal adult age...I didn't think 16 year-olds could even go to prison

he looks like he is 80 lbs, that kid would just be a sex rag doll in prison
White people these days:facepalm

Black and other minority teens have been getting tried as adults for years....this isnt something new