How many centers playing today would Wilt have scored 100 on had they...

[CavaliersFTW]

...swapped place/time with Darryl Imhoff on March 2nd 1962?

Chris Bosh
Joel Anthony
Kendrick Perkins
Robin Lopez
Andrea Bargnani
Pau Gasol
Tyler Zeller

Let's get a list going of all the modern centers Wilt would have absolutely murdered for 100pts that night, who else?

[Mr Exlax]

Brook Lopez?

[Theoo]

200 point against bargani

[moe94]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/4657345/the-office-basketball-o.gif

Cannot possibly be serious.

[scm5]

Pau Gasol this season...

[CavaliersFTW]

Brook Lopez?
Robin Lopez would be the more likely victim I think, both can't rebound for shit though, replace either one with Bill Russell the night Wilt had 55 boards on the Celtics and he'd have his 55 plus whatever Russell had that night and the Lopez twins would have virtually nothing.

[leMVP]

...swapped place/time with Darryl Imhoff on March 2nd 1962?

Chris Bosh
Joel Anthony
Kendrick Perkins

Let's get a list going of all the modern centers Wilt would have absolutely murdered for 100pts that night, who else?

:biggums:

[CavaliersFTW]

:biggums:
What could current Perkins do to slow down peak Wilt besides foul himself out of the game in the hopes that the next guy on the bench will do a better job?

[AirFederer]

...swapped place/time with Darryl Imhoff on March 2nd 1962?

Chris Bosh
Joel Anthony
Kendrick Perkins

Let's get a list going of all the modern centers Wilt would have absolutely murdered for 100pts that night, who else?
No one.

Goat stat padder :facepalm

[MP.Trey]

Wilt VS McGee would be a clash of the titans. What do you say?:

McGee - 61 points, 25 rebounds, 2 assists, 18 blocks.
Wilt - 58 points, 30 rebounds, 6 assists, 10 blocks.

:cheers: they see me troooolllin

[STATUTORY]

a better question would be which big men today would have scored 100+ in Wilt's era

More than a handful

[Psileas]

Given that he'd score 132 on Bargnani, I guess he qualifies, too.

[CavaliersFTW]

a better question would be which big men today would have scored 100+ in Wilt's era

More than a handful
None would even come close :oldlol:

[kamil]

a better question would be which big men today would have scored 100+ in Wilt's era

More than a handful

Do you think Chris Bosh would still have a zero point performance in a finals game from the 1960s?

[CeltsGarlic]

He would barely crack 20 playing with Derozan Gay n Lowry :lol

[moe94]

None would even come close :oldlol:

Drummond would score 200, at least.

[CavaliersFTW]

Drummond would score 200, at least.
With what skillset? :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Modern day Dwight Howard with a little mix of McGee would not be a 25+ppg scorer.

[moe94]

With what skillset? :oldlol:
The same way Wilt dominated, with brute physicality and size. Wilt was incredibly awkward out there. It's not his fault. Just a different game, just like how Oscar looks awkward compared to modern guards.

[CavaliersFTW]

Modern day Dwight Howard with a little mix of McGee would not be a 25+ppg scorer.
Neither shoot jumpers or have post moves, neither are 7-1 290, neither are equivalent to Wilt

[Black and White]

He would score 10000 on current Pau Gasol.

[CavaliersFTW]

The same way Wilt dominated, with brute physicality and size. Wilt was incredibly awkward out there. It's not his fault. Just a different game, just like how Oscar looks awkward compared to modern guards.

:oldlol:

http://youtu.be/gXUkQ-3h8-Y?t=1m9s

Wilt pulling off post moves only Olajuwon could duplicate and fadeaways only Dirk could duplicate - neither of which had Wilt's size length or athleticism yet they dominated the modern game, and here you are spouting off nonsense that Wilt wasn't skilled and played like Drummond - good one Silkk/RG3 :applause:

[moe94]

All I see is a guy much larger and athletic than everyone he's up against (Drummond) with moves that are pedestrian. I mean, we can point to other videos were he's dribbling like Stanley from the Office, right? What does it mean?

Shit, a lot of those moves, people literally don't even touch him or even approach him as he's underneath the basket.

[CavaliersFTW]

All I see is a guy much larger and athletic than everyone he's up against (Drummond) with moves that are pedestrian. I mean, we can point to other videos were he's dribbling like Stanley from the Office, right? What does it mean?

Shit, a lot of those moves, people literally don't even touch him or even approach him as he's underneath the basket.
Yeah Wilt executes moves that are so 'pedestrian' literally no center in the NBA today is capable of duplicating them - if Wilt is pedestrian the league today is in tatters because all of them are ****ing garbage compared to what Wilt does both on film and on paper :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Neither shoot jumpers or have post moves, neither are 7-1 290, neither are equivalent to Wilt
Wilt was the worst shooter of alltime. "Post moves" are a result of his size.

[KingBeasley08]

Probably none. Wilt wouldn't be as dominant in today's game

[CavaliersFTW]

King Beasly don't try to hide the fact that you just deleted a post where you said 'Didn't Wilt lose that game? :oldlol: '

:facepalm :roll:

[KingBeasley08]

King Beasly don't try to hide the fact that you just deleted a post where you said 'Didn't Wilt lose that game? :oldlol: '

:facepalm :roll:
:pimp:

[CeltsGarlic]

Modern day Dwight Howard with a little mix of McGee would not be a 25+ppg scorer.

:lol

whatevv. Dude would beast this league.

[HomieWeMajor]

None because opposing players can't take bribes nowadays to intentionally foul Wilt.

[Psileas]

King Beasly don't try to hide the fact that you just deleted a post where you said 'Didn't Wilt lose that game? :oldlol: '

:facepalm :roll:

I have like half the people in this thread in my I.L and, if this really happened, it validates even more one of my choices.

[moe94]

I have like half the people in this thread in my I.L and, if this really happened, it validates even more one of my choices.

Isn't that a bit strange? Disregarding the opinions of people you disagree with completely? I mean, how do you justify that? :biggums:

Textbook stubbornness and irrationality.

The only time it's justified is on troll gimmicks like oden.

[CavaliersFTW]

Isn't that a bit strange? Disregarding the opinions of people you disagree with completely? I mean, how do you justify that? :biggums:

Textbook stubbornness and irrationality.

The only time it's justified is on troll gimmicks like oden.
To believe Wilt wasn't any good in light of all facts and footage that exists isn't an 'opinion' it is lunacy. One of the most skilled and intelligent big men of all time in a body that was stronger, taller, and more athletic than Shaq.

And people like you only pretend to be convinced he was a drummond level player. It isn't even your real opinion. Most of the people actually, who have posted in the past year or two on ISH are pretending Wilt wasn't any good at this point. The only people that might be convinced in their mind that he wasn't any good at this point are people who have never seen footage of him and aren't aware of all the records he owns IE nobody on ISH. It's just trolls he's got on ignore at this point, and who can blame him?

[Solefade]

he wouldn't score 100 on any of the big men in today's NBA

[Suguru101]

he wouldn't score 100 on any of the big men in today's NBA

He would not have scored 100 points because of today's zone and back to the basket rules... not because there are many defenders that could actually stop him from scoring repeatedly on them.

[moe94]

The same people who think Wilt was trash and the people who think he'd drop 100 today are in the same boat of retardation. It's that simple.

[Micku]

:oldlol:

http://youtu.be/gXUkQ-3h8-Y?t=1m9s

Wilt pulling off post moves only Olajuwon could duplicate and fadeaways only Dirk could duplicate - neither of which had Wilt's size length or athleticism yet they dominated the modern game, and here you are spouting off nonsense that Wilt wasn't skilled and played like Drummond - good one Silkk/RG3 :applause:

I always found Wilt awkward in the post too. Just look at this man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemQKScZ7MQ

The footwork and the dribbling were soo awkward and unpolished compared to big men that I grew up watching like Shaq, Duncan, KG, Chris Webber and etc.

Granted he wasn't the only player. Kareem was awkward too in the early 70s from the games that I watched. He was a bit more polish than Wilt, but still very awkward than what I was accustom to. But Kareem adapted over time, and by the late 70s and 80s he looked better.

While I'm not saying that Wilt wasn't a great player or anything, it just that I think a guy like Zach Randolph looks more polish in the post than him. It doesn't make him less effective than Z-Bo.

[CavaliersFTW]

I always found Wilt awkward in the post too. Just look at this man:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oemQKScZ7MQ

The footwork and the dribbling were soo awkward and unpolished compared to big men that I grew up watching like Shaq, Duncan, KG, Chris Webber and etc.

Granted he wasn't the only player. Kareem was awkward too in the early 70s from the games that I watched. He was a bit more polish than Wilt, but still very awkward than what I was accustom to. But Kareem adapted over time, and by the late 70s and 80s he looked better.

While I'm not saying that Wilt wasn't a great player or anything, it just that I think a guy like Zach Randolph looks more polish in the post than him. It doesn't make him less effective than Z-Bo.
Yeah this load of shit has been addressed before - Wilt is playing on injured knees on top of shinsplints that game and could hardly move and Kareem - awkward? :roll: good one :applause:

[TheReal Kendall]

I like Wilt but he wouldn't score more than 50pts on any of the centers in this Era.

The Centers of today are more athletic than back in the 60s.


I hope you're trolling with this one

[CavaliersFTW]

I like Wilt but he wouldn't score more than 50pts on any of the centers in this Era.

The Centers of today are more athletic than back in the 60s.


I hope you're trolling with this one
Pauk alt alert! Pauk always goes 'I like ___ but' :lol

Tyler Zeller and Joel Anthony would probably get 120 dropped on their ass - Zeller couldn't even dunk until recently - many current NBA centers are bad in comparison not just to Wilt, but the opponents Wilt faced

[TheReal Kendall]

Pauk alt alert! Pauk always goes 'I like ___ but' :lol

Tyler Zeller and Joel Anthony would probably get 120 dropped on their ass - Zeller couldn't even dunk until recently - many current NBA centers are bad in comparison not just to Wilt, but the opponents Wilt faced?

:biggums: :lol

Is that how you discredit someone's opinion?:facepalm

It's not about their offensive ability. We talking about their defense here.

Wilt was better but in that era he was an athletic god.

Like I said insert any Center in that era and Wilt wouldn't score more than 50 on them.

I would also add that the sorriest Center in today's era would probably average like 20+ and 10+ rebounds in Wilt's era.

Not knocking Wilt's accomplishments but the talent/athleticism is spread out more in this era.

I love Wilt. I wanted to break his record of how many women he slept with slept until I got older and realized it was impossible. I like him in Conan too.

So I'm not hating on him but I just don't see him scoring more than 50 on the Centers of today.

[Psileas]

I couldn't care less about who disagrees with me. My only care is why they disagree, because the reason is the criterion that will either make me care and answer or ignore. The ones that I ignore are the ones the interaction with who either offers me nothing useful or, even worse, wastes my time and energy.
Some (a category that doesn't include me) may enjoy wasting their time debating over and over with trolls and with people who are not willing to cast any doubt to what they think they know - and most of these are things that they "learned" at a young age. Traditional crap like these famous "6-5 centers" is not some kind of "knowledge" that you acquire through research, because research would prove you wrong. It's some bullshit which is instilled in your brain when you're still naive enough to believe whatever you hear, regardless of source, and then it's hard as hell to change this picture in your mind.

[moe94]

It's some bullshit which is instilled in your brain when you're still naive enough to believe whatever you hear, regardless of source, and then it's hard as hell to change this picture in your mind.

The irony is strong with this one. Tell me, what do you believe to be Wilt's vertical?

[abuC]

He wouldn't score a single point, he's dead and time machines don't exist.


Your obsession with him is honestly just weird at this point.

[CavaliersFTW]

:biggums: :lol

Is that how you discredit someone's opinion?:facepalm

It's not about their offensive ability. We talking about their defense here.

Wilt was better but in that era he was an athletic god.

Like I said insert any Center in that era and Wilt wouldn't score more than 50 on them.

I would also add that the sorriest Center in today's era would probably average like 20+ and 10+ rebounds in Wilt's era.

Not knocking Wilt's accomplishments but the talent/athleticism is spread out more in this era.

I love Wilt. I wanted to break his record of how many women he slept with slept until I got older and realized it was impossible. I like him in Conan too.

So I'm not hating on him but I just don't see him scoring more than 50 on the Centers of today.
Yeah you are hating on him I'm afraid - as guys like Tyler Zeller who can't even dunk with 1 hand, or Joel Anthony who airball wide-open uncontested layups are trash that wouldn't make an NBA bench in Wilt's era - they are both examples of modern centers that are less athletic and less skilled than the guy Wilt scored 100 points on - heck Joel Anthony is what, 6-7? So he's also 3 inches shorter than the guy Wilt dropped 100 points on, it would be a joke watching him try to defend Wilt :oldlol:

[Psileas]

I would also add that the sorriest Center in today's era would probably average like 20+ and 10+ rebounds in Wilt's era.

Agreed, Joel Anthony would easily average 20/10. Per season.


The irony is strong with this one. Tell me, what do you believe to be Wilt's vertical?

Oh, how much you know me...Go on, you tell me how much I think Wilt's vertical was.

[Psileas]

Joel Anthony during his best season in the NCAA: 5.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg at the age of 24. Against Wilt? 20/10 easily. :oldlol:

[moe94]

Why did you dodge the question? Just answer it.

[TheReal Kendall]

Yeah you are hating on him I'm afraid - as guys like Tyler Zeller who can't even dunk with 1 hand, or Joel Anthony who airball wide-open uncontested layups are trash that wouldn't make an NBA bench in Wilt's era - they are both examples of modern centers that are less athletic and less skilled than the guy Wilt scored 100 points on - heck Joel Anthony is what, 6-7? So he's also 3 inches shorter than the guy Wilt dropped 100 points on, it would be a joke watching him try to defend Wilt :oldlol:

Dude do you not understand that you keep citing offensive abilities?

We are talking about them holding Wilt under a 100 a game. Being able to dunk the ball has nothing to do with your defensive ability.

You're just a stan and you're taking it to another level with this thread.

Wilt would be lucky to get 50pts on the centers of this era.

You act like Wilt had numerous 100 pt games also which he didn't.

That was one rare occurrence and the opposing team/defender should be embarrassed with his/their performance on Wilt

Do you have footage of Zeller not being able to dunk?

[CavaliersFTW]

Why did you dodge the question? Just answer it.
How many alts do you have?

[Micku]

Yeah this load of shit has been addressed before - Wilt is playing on injured knees on top of shinsplints that game and could hardly move and Kareem - awkward? :roll: good one :applause:

There were two games in that clip.

It's not the only example tho. Look at this in the early 70s. Wilt pretty much did the same footwork and dribbling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMp7c2bcfkk&t=02m15s

And Kareem seemed awkward compared to his late 70s and 80s self. He did similar things that Wilt did and used similar moves. He dribbled the ball too low, and awkward footwork at times if I can remember correctly. But again, it doesn't mean he wasn't effective. He was still more polish than Wilt. And he adapted very well over the times.

[TheReal Kendall]

Joel Anthony during his best season in the NCAA: 5.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg at the age of 24. Against Wilt? 20/10 easily. :oldlol:

:facepalm

I didn't say against Wilt, I said in that Era.

So do you believe that Wilt would score 100+ on the centers of today's era?

[Psileas]

:facepalm

I didn't say against Wilt, I said in that Era.

So do you believe that Wilt would score 100+ on the centers of today's era?

So, he wouldn't average this against Wilt. This means he'd have to average even more (let's say about 23 ppg) against the rest of the league just to keep his pace for 20 ppg. Would he average 23 against Russell? No? This means he'd have to average even more (28+) against the rest of the league. Would he average 28+ against Thurmond?

I hope you realize where this leads.

[CavaliersFTW]

Dude do you not understand that you keep citing offensive abilities?

We are talking about them holding Wilt under a 100 a game. Being able to dunk the ball has nothing to do with your defensive ability.

You're just a stan and you're taking it to another level with this thread.

Wilt would be lucky to get 50pts on the centers of this era.

You act like Wilt had numerous 100 pt games also which he didn't.

That was one rare occurrence and the opposing team/defender should be embarrassed with his/their performance on Wilt

Do you have footage of Zeller not being able to dunk?
The Cavs announcers have pointed out that Zeller is not able to dunk with two hands, he has only ever dunked once in all the games I've watched and that one dunk was when they pointed out he can't do it a certain way. He barely squeaked the ball over the rim the one time he did dunk.

Zeller flat out SUCKS defensively he's only useful on offense where he can run the open floor better than some centers,his inability to dunk as embarassing as it is is far less embarassing than his inability to defend against physical guys who know how to score in the post. You dont' watch NBA basketball if your not aware how many garbage-level centers are in this league, it isn't just zeller, there are lots of sorry centers in this league that are far worse than Darrall Imhoff was. Imhoff had a career in the league long enough to have played against Jabbar, and Jabbar never scored 50 on him let alone 100. Wilt could have scored 100 points on a number of guys the night he went off, he could have done it to Ray Felix, or Wayne Embry etc - Imhoff was just flat out unlucky. Thus - from watching how they played and understanding their game, and watching how centers play today I know several centers in the league today that I'm convinced through watching are inferior to Imhoff. Your basing your opinion on stigma it seems, where as I'm basing my opinion on watching how these guys play.

[TheReal Kendall]

So, he wouldn't average this against Wilt. This means he'd have to average even more (let's say about 23 ppg) against the rest of the league just to keep his pace for 20 ppg. Would he average 23 against Russell? No? This means he'd have to average even more (28+) against the rest of the league. Would he average 28+ against Thurmond?

I hope you realize where this leads.

Yea yea yea I get it.

But why do you guys keep picking Anthony? I didn't mention him in my original post.

We all know Anthony is trash and not known for his offense.

Anyway though, Do you really think Wilt would score a 100+ on the centers of today?

Stop going off topic

[Psileas]

Why did you dodge the question? Just answer it.

It's redundant. It seems you know me too well to expect answers to questions like this. You know, like someone said, "the irony is too strong"...

[Psileas]

Yea yea yea I get it.

But why do you guys keep picking Anthony? I didn't mention him in my original post.

We all know Anthony is trash and not known for his offense.

Anyway though, Do you really think Wilt would score a 100+ on the centers of today?

Stop going off topic

Because you said that the sorriest C in the league would be doing this.

There's no topic, really. People bash Euroleague (the poster), but most of you fall in such traps easier than him.

[Solefade]

He would not have scored 100 points because of today's zone and back to the basket rules... not because there are many defenders that could actually stop him from scoring repeatedly on them.


This and also because the typical NBA athlete isn't the same as your typical athlete from Wilt's days.

[CavaliersFTW]

This and also because the typical NBA athlete isn't the same as your typical athlete from Wilt's days.
What does 'typical' anything (a generalization) have to do with specific examples of players like Tyler Zeller and Joel Anthony who have worse athleticism and skill than the center Wilt faced when he scored 100 points? This thread is calling into question specific players that Wilt could score 100 points on had they swapped places with Darrall Imhoff.

[TheReal Kendall]

The Cavs announcers have pointed out that Zeller is not able to dunk with two hands, he has only ever dunked once in all the games I've watched and that one dunk was when they pointed out he can't do it a certain way. He barely squeaked the ball over the rim the one time he did dunk.

Zeller flat out SUCKS defensively he's only useful on offense where he can run the open floor better than some centers,his inability to dunk as embarassing as it is is far less embarassing than his inability to defend against physical guys who know how to score in the post. You dont' watch NBA basketball if your not aware how many garbage-level centers are in this league, it isn't just zeller, there are lots of sorry centers in this league that are far worse than Darryl Imhoff was. Imhoff had a career in the league long enough to have played against Jabbar, and Jabbar never scored 50 on him let alone 100. Wilt could have scored 100 points on a number of guys the night he went off, he could have done it to Ray Felix, or Wayne Embry etc - Imhoff was just flat out unlucky. Thus - from watching how they played and understanding their game, and watching how centers play today I know several centers in the league today that I'm convinced through watching are inferior to Imhoff. Your basing your opinion on stigma it seems, where as I'm basing my opinion on watching how these guys play.

So apparently there's only two centers in the league and their names are Zeller and Anthony.

In one post you say Zeller can't dunk with 1 hand and then in this one you claim he can't dunk with 2 but he can with 1. So which one is it?

I'll admit I don't watch the Cavs and Anthony doesn't get any playing time.

From the few games I've seen of play back then they weren't physical at all.

When I seen Wilt vs Jabbar they barely touch each other when guarding one another.

Honestly this is like a "what if" thread there's not enough evidence to prove one or the other.

The eras are so different and the talent level has been raised tenfold.

I just don't see him scoring 100 again or on anyone in the league today.

That 100pt game was a once in a lifetime thing just like Kobe's 81pt game

[CavaliersFTW]

So apparently there's only two centers in the league and their names are Zeller and Anthony.

In one post you say Zeller can't dunk with 1 hand and then in this one you claim he can't dunk with 2 but he can with 1. So which one is it?

I'll admit I don't watch the Cavs and Anthony doesn't get any playing time.

From the few games I've seen of play back then they weren't physical at all.

When I seen Wilt vs Jabbar they barely touch each other when guarding one another.

Honestly this is like a "what if" thread there's not enough evidence to prove one or the other.

The eras are so different and the talent level has been raised tenfold.

I just don't see him scoring 100 again or on anyone in the league today.

That 100pt game was a once in a lifetime thing just like Kobe's 81pt game
I don't remember which way Zeller couldn't dunk, he's only dunked once in the NBA and that's when it was pointed out which way he couldn't dunk - does it matter whether it's two hands or one? And where is this percieved '10 fold increase' coming from your imagination? :oldlol:

[TheReal Kendall]

Because you said that the sorriest C in the league would be doing this.

There's no topic, really. People bash Euroleague (the poster), but most of you fall in such traps easier than him.

True. I did say that but I don't consider Anthony anything more than a roster fill.

If you gonna ask this question shouldn't we use people that actually see playing time

[TheReal Kendall]

I don't remember which way Zeller couldn't dunk, he's only dunked once in the NBA and that's when it was pointed out which way he couldn't dunk - does it matter whether it's two hands or one? And where is this percieved '10 fold increase' coming from your imagination? :oldlol:

:lol

Everything you're saying about Wilt dominating today's centers is coming from your imagination and lust for Wilt.

So I guess we both have a great imagination

[PHILA]

He dribbled the ball too low

That is protecting the dribble, no carrying was allowed back then. :no:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kWFTGzJJ_g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC3KfhYRtG4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcU4YDfEp5E




He could cover more ground in one single step then any player I have ever seen in the footage.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UShBN1POkwY&t=40s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UShBN1POkwY&t=42s)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnu5vMfPtbw&t=3m33s




And where do you think Shaq got his baseline spin move from?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNw0c19DhIU#t=34m46s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjwkiXiwzCY#t=2m54s

[Psileas]

True. I did say that but I don't consider Anthony anything more than a roster fill.

If you gonna ask this question shouldn't we use people that actually see playing time

I take things that I read quite literally. The sorriest C in the league for me is just this, the next C who is about to get waived from the league due to being insufficiently good. I'm not sure Joel is this C (after all, he managed to play there for some years), but at least offensively, he has to be. If he isn't, I'll be speechless.

[moe94]

It's redundant. It seems you know me too well to expect answers to questions like this. You know, like someone said, "the irony is too strong"...

I have no idea who you are, but I can gather what kind of poster you are. You still have yet to answer a very simple question.

[Psileas]

I have no idea who you are, but I can gather what kind of poster you are. You still have yet to answer a very simple question.

I'd like to know what kind of poster I am. That's a simple request from me, too.

[moe94]

I'd like to know what kind of poster I am. That's a simple request from me, too.
Why does my username not appear on the quotes? Is that how ignore works? :confusedshrug:

If so, why are you replying to someone you disregarded completely? Keep dodging the question, though. It's not transparent.

[Nash]

These threads are even worse than the troll threads. Look OP, your precious players from the 50's are shit, played against shit competition. It's been almost 60 years since those times. Man has developed, we know more about the game of basketball, how to train and skinny white dudes are out of the league. Wilt was owned by Russell who in today's game would be what? A poor man's Anthony Davis.

[moe94]

Those damn white dudes will never do shit in the NBA anymore it's a fact.

You won't see white guys leading the NBA in rebounding or winning back to back MVPs anymore. Long gone era.

[It's A VC3!!!]

So OP is essentially saying that Wilt is only good enough to score on horrid defensive centers. Yeah, we already knew that was true.

[Psileas]

Why does my username not appear on the quotes? Is that how ignore works? :confusedshrug:

If so, why are you replying to someone you disregarded completely? Keep dodging the question, though. It's not transparent.

No, this is how you choose some text and press quote instead of replying. I do this at times.
I still don't care to answer your question. If I do, you'll either

a) claim that I'm lying and it's not my real belief
or
b) claim that my estimation is exaggerated and that I've proven you correct.

To give you a clue, it would be probably the 1st case that would happen if I didn't give you this clue. Now that I did, you'll probably try to turn towards the 2nd.

[Psileas]

So OP is essentially saying that Wilt is only good enough to score on horrid defensive centers. Yeah, we already knew that was true.

Yes. Your interpretation perfectly mirrors the OP, almost word for word...

[moe94]

I had no idea this level of passive aggression was possible.

Real talk, do you think he had near a 40 vert? Yes or no.

Cavs does, iirc.

[Psileas]

I had no idea this level of passive aggression was possible.

Real talk, do you think he had near a 40 vert? Yes or no.

Cavs does, iirc.

OK, you care too much about my opinion and let's say that I don't mean to be that passive-aggressive: Asking if Wilt had near a 40'' vert is practically the equivalent of asking whether he could get anywhere near the top of the backboard. People say he's done it, video evidence shows him as a college player getting close, so yes, his vert was probably somewhere near.

Now, I'm still waiting for you to answer: what did you expect me to believe Wilt's vertical was?

[millwad]

Wilt is by far the most overrated player of all-time in terms of scoring.

Stadpadding in the regular season while dropping big time in the playoffs, both in terms of scoring and in the playoffs.

And before CavsFTW posts his GIF about the 32 times (or something) when Wilt scored 60+ or more points in a game, he did it all in the regular season and never in the playoffs.

[Psileas]

Still waiting for your answer, moe94. And while we're at it, I want you to give us your own estimation of Wilt's vertical. You know, "real talk".

[moe94]

Now, I'm still waiting for you to answer: what did you expect me to believe Wilt's vertical was?

Exactly what you said. You think he has a near 40 vert as a 7 footer. I won't say anything about it. Just good to know where you stand.

[Psileas]

Exactly what you said. You think he has a near 40 vert as a 7 footer. I won't say anything about it. Just good to know where you stand.

Why won't you? Playing counter-aggressive in some effort to piss me off? Or are you already pissed off that I correctly predicted what would happen after I answered this question (probably scenario b)?
If you disagree, what do you think Wilt's vert was?

[moe94]

What are you even talking about at this point? If you, without irony, believe Wilt had anywhere near a 40 vert, this is beyond argument. We might as well discuss religion.

[Psileas]

Btw, is this "You think he has a near 40 vert as a 7 footer" thing supposed to be some kind of condemning evidence against my answer? Shaq and prime Robinson had probably close to 40 inches of vertical as well and they were 7-footers.
Draftexpress has Shaq at 36'.

[Psileas]

What are you even talking about at this point? If you, without irony, believe Wilt had anywhere near a 40 vert, this is beyond argument. We might as well discuss religion.

Give me your estimations then. And base them on something.

[Micku]

That is protecting the dribble, no carrying was allowed back then. :no:


You may be right. But I always thought there were some guys who just looked more polish in the post than Wilt. Guys like Willis Reed looked more polish to me:

low post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKp7U7PeeyM&t=02m42s

face up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKp7U7PeeyM&t=04m52s

pump fake and drive move:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_uAJlWP0lQ&t=6m20s

Granted Reed is shorter and more mobile, but both Kareem and Reed post game and jumper seemed more polish in the early 70s than Wilt. Although in Kareem's case, his dribbling didn't seem a whole lot better than Wilt. At least from the games that I watched until the late 70s and 80s.

With that said, Kareem and Wilt produced more despite, imo, they seemed less polished and more awkward. Like I said, it was very different from what I'm used to growing up. I only watched a few games of Wilt. Some playoffs games here and there. He just seemed awkward down there to me, but he got the job done. Some nice moves sometimes as you posted.

[moe94]

Give me your estimations then. And base them on something.

Nowhere near Howard, for one. 30-33 range, at best.

Howard isn't even a 7 footer.

[Psileas]

Nowhere near Howard, for one. 30-33 range, at best.

Howard isn't even a 7 footer.

So, your own "evidence" is that "he's not as short as Howard and if Howard is that athletic and has a vertical of X, then Wilt has to be nowhere close". Yet, Shaq was measured at 36', while being 7'1 and weighing around 300.
A 30-inch vertical would mean you need 10 inches to get to the top of the glass. Yet, you have people who claim he's done it. It also means he would only get his head up to 5 inches below the basket.
And then you have videos like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF8yJ1J1W7Q. Or pics like this: http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-U1241523.jpg?size=67&uid=4cb4dd6c-398e-4321-a015-75c1b72cbddd
Which I have no reason to believe they even represent his maximum jumping ability (after all, his photo was taken with him being a HS'er).

Which should make you reconsider the bounds that you have set.
Unless you want to believe in your own "religion".

[moe94]

Really? You're using "people have seen him do it" as your evidence? Really? Did he also have sex with 4 different women a day for his entire life?

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/Corbis-U1241523.jpg?size=67&uid=4cb4dd6c-398e-4321-a015-75c1b72cbddd

This is your evidence? This is satire level comedy.

[Psileas]

Really? You're using "people have seen him do it" as your evidence? Really? Did he also have sex with 4 different women a day for his entire life?

http://www.corbisimages.com/images/C...5-75c1b72cbddd

This is your evidence? This is satire level comedy.

While people's tales and estimations are not in general to be trusted, notice: These are people who are independent from each other and have claimed the same thing in different periods and situations, but your view is that it's more likely they are either flat-out lying or they are unable to tell the difference between, say, missing the top by 2 inches and missing it by 10, as if we're having some mass hysteria phenomenon that manages to fool just about everyone viewing it.
Obviously it's not only tales. That wouldn't cut it, so your "the irony is strong here" comment was off, sorry. It's the combination of tales and the videos and photos that slowly surface that make estimations about Wilt sound more plausible.
Now, if you're unsatisfied, show me some counter-evidence, even at the same level (some which doesn't satisfy you), then talk about mine.

[Roc Nation]

Wilt would be a great player but acting like he would drop 100 a game is as ridiculous as those that think he would average 5

I agree with Mick about his post moves. His footwork was average and his face up and dribbling was decent. He used athleticism to dominate and against more athletic defenders, he wouldn't dominate as well

[AintNoSunshine]

The better question is how many centers today could have scored 100 had they played in that WEAK ERA

Just about everybody


j/k obviously, but not really

[CavaliersFTW]

A bunch of posters being exposed for talking out their ass in here - also :oldlol: at the people who didn't even read the question in the OP

[andremiller07]

Dan Gadzuric would handle Wilt easily

[La Frescobaldi]

What are you even talking about at this point? If you, without irony, believe Wilt had anywhere near a 40 vert, this is beyond argument. We might as well discuss religion.

Shaq apparently didn't have a 36 inch vertical. If he did he would have been able to get higher than 12'5" on his famous running leap.
Or else he only gained about 2 inches between standing vertical leap and running leap, which is possible, but doubtful to me. Most people gain 5 or 6 inches between the two types of leap (many people even more than that) and Shaq was an excellent runner in his day.

Using wikipedia: The top of the box is 137.795 inches. 11 feet 5 inches approx.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/22/Basketball_backboard_and_basket_bitmap.png/302px-Basketball_backboard_and_basket_bitmap.png

Meanwhile Chamberlain. When Wilt gets his hand well above the box, as we see in numerous clips, that's still just an easy leap, for him, of 2 feet or 24 inches + a few inches give or take. Real high in the air, but not an astounding leap since he's already real high in the air just by reaching up.

To my surprise they do not describe the top of the backboard as 13 feet but 12 feet and 11.5 inches. Or 155.5 inches, google-converting from metric.

So if wikipedia is correct in those measurements and my google math is good: as I recall, Chamberlain's standing reach was 114 inches.
155.5 - 114 = 41.5 inch leap for him to the top.

Now if he had Shaq's supposed vertical, 36 inches, and being longer than Shaq... he'd be higher than Shaq's highest running leap of 12'5" with just his vertical. He would need to gain 5 inches between his vertical and his sprinting leap to get to the top. The big 8 track champion was faster than Shaq, and we know he was longer than Shaq so it seems reasonable he could get another 5 inches from a running leap.
Of course the clip of him in college is pretty conclusive(at 48 seconds): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF8yJ1J1W7Q

Surely if he was running, trying to do his best and highest leap, instead of blocking a shot he could get an inch or two higher even than that?

[Dr.J4ever]

I believe talent level overall has increased significantly over the last few decades. Players are GENERALLY bigger and stronger. This is true in the NFL and MLB, and it is true in the NBA. This is just about undeniable.

This doesn't mean, however, that greats of the past can't be great in today's league. Wilt would surely be the best center in today's league, and he would be dominant. Can he score 100? No, absolutely not. And I'm not talking about talent here. In today's league, it really isn't about man to man matchups anymore, especially in the post. No team defense today would give up 100 to anyone, again especially from the post. It is almost impossible.

[CavaliersFTW]

I believe talent level overall has increased significantly over the last few decades. Players are GENERALLY bigger and stronger. This is true in the NFL and MLB, and it is true in the NBA. This is just about undeniable.

This doesn't mean, however, that greats of the past can't be great in today's league. Wilt would surely be the best center in today's league, and he would be dominant. Can he score 100? No, absolutely not. And I'm not talking about talent here. In today's league, it really isn't about man to man matchups anymore, especially in the post. No team defense today would give up 100 to anyone, again especially from the post. It is almost impossible.
Go back and read the OP, and answer that please

[Dr.J4ever]

Go back and read the OP, and answer that please
Oh okay sorry about that. I got it. Probably Chris Bosh who is undersized.

[LAZERUSS]

He would have scored pretty much whatever he would have wanted against almost anyone in the current NBA. Fans forget that a prime Wilt and a prime KAJ faced many of the same centers, and Chamberlain was far more dominant against them.

And He was averaging 40 ppg in seasonal H2H's against Russell, with a high of 62. And he was averaging 53 ppg in seasonal H2H's with Bellamy, including four games of 60+, and a high of 73.

Furthermore, a mid-60's Chamberlain probably could have broken the 100 point barrier had he decided to go for it. In fact, a '69 Wilt was still putting up 60+ point games, (one of them a 66 point game on 29-35 shooting from the floor.) Think about that. Just one year before KAJ would arrive in the NBA, and Chamberlain was still capable of 60+ point games. And BTW, Kareem's all-time high game was "only" 55 points.


As for Wilt's vertical...

At least two legitimate and respected eye-witness accounts of him touching the top of the backboard. A HOF coach stunned by watching a High School Wilt dunking from the FT line. And Wilt's college coach rolling out a 12 ft basket, and Wilt reportedly dunking on it. And, incidently, Chamberlain was winning college high-jump championships...part-time and with poor technique.

Using some basic math here...

Wilt had a known standing reach of 9-6. The top of the backboard is 13 ft. Or, dunking on a 12 ft rim with a 10 inch diameter basketball...

13 ft - 9.5 ft. = 3.5 ft. ... or 42 inches...

Sounds about right.

[LAZERUSS]

No one.

Goat stat padder :facepalm

You mean empty stats don't you?

Wilt was the greatest player at putting up empty stats.

That is the perception, anyway. After all, losing game seven's by four points or less to far superior teams, and with his own teammates puking all over the floor was the result of his empty stats.