09 Wade vs 06 Kobe

[moe94]

Who is the better individual player?

Wade: 30/5/7.5/2stls on 49% shooting

Kobe: 35/5.3/4.5/2stls on 45% shooting

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[NumberSix]

Wade. Dat D.

[DMAVS41]

I prefer Wade.

[Odinn]

Although Kobe was a bit better overall, Wade had a span that is even crazier than Kobe's 62 point / 81 point span. Wade in that span I'm talking about;
13 games 37.2 ppg 5.9 rpg 10.4 apg 2.9 spg 1.4 bpg .553 fg .419 3pt .865 ft

[moe94]

A Wade in that span I'm talking about;
13 games 37.2 ppg 5.9 rpg 10.4 apg 2.9 spg 1.4 bpg .553 fg .419 3pt .865 ft

Man spazzed out.:eek:

[NLZ]

81 points, dude.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Although Kobe was a bit better overall, Wade had a span that is even crazier than Kobe's 62 point / 81 point span. Wade in that span I'm talking about;
13 games 37.2 ppg 5.9 rpg 10.4 apg 2.9 spg 1.4 bpg .553 fg .419 3pt .865 ft

While that play is great and a rare feat, it's not numbers we haven't seen before ( MJ 91 finals comes to mind)

Kobe as a shooting guard was puttin up numbers that hadnt been seen since Wilt

[#number6ix#]

09 Wade was a animal on both ends of the court and really fun to watch...too bad the rest of the team was terrible

[AirFederer]

Wade since D counts

[TheReal Kendall]

I prefer Wade.

This

[Mr. Jabbar]

both good picks, gimme kobe tho, good looks + charity spending leaned the balance

[NumberSix]

Wade since D counts
This. Kobe hasn't really played defense since around 2003. Sure, you'll see it here and there for a game or two, but this guy has been halfassin it on D for a decade.

[Mr. Jabbar]

guy has been halfassin it on D for a decade.

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[SamuraiSWISH]

Who is the better individual player?

Wade: 30/5/7.5/2stls on 49% shooting

Kobe: 35/5.3/4.5/2stls on 45% shooting

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The two SG's whose games are ultimately the two halves that form Michael Jordan. I'd say 2006 Kobe, and 2009 Wade are equal. Kobe's impressive for insane volume, binge scoring, dragging a terrible cast through a difficult conference. And Wade was a beast all around, putting up 30 ppg and 8 apg dragging an equally terrible team to the playoffs.


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:biggums:

[NumberSix]

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[Mr. Jabbar]

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a lil rust after achilles injury is expected, in my gif some1 in his prime gets shut down by some1 on his decline, twice :pimp:

[Young X]

What about 06 Wade and 09 Kobe?

[Mr. Jabbar]

What about 06 Wade and 09 Kobe? Wade IMO.

kobe, both champs but one didn't use the referees

[NumberSix]

What about 06 Wade and 09 Kobe?
Wade.

[LEFT4DEAD]

Tough choice. Very tough!
Both with awful teammates. I mean Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, George, Mihm(?)... if Im not mistaken on one side, and two rookies, Chalmers and Beasley in the first team of the Heat. Only Odom and Marion were above average players on those teams.
It was 1 vs 5 in 80% of games for them, and what they did in those seasons was Jordanesque. It just makes me sick that the prime years of both players were with such awful teammates.

I remember so many games from both players in those years. It was pure classic. Its just to hard to name the better player. Its even for me.

And yeah, I would give them both the MVP in those seasons. **** the team record. They were unbelievable.
:bowdown: :bowdown:

[NumberSix]

Tough choice. Very tough!
Both with awful teammates. I mean Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, George, Mihm(?)... if Im not mistaken on one side, and two rookies, Chalmers and Beasley in the first team of the Heat. Only Odom and Marion were above average players on those teams.
It was 1 vs 5 in 80% of games for them, and what they did in those seasons was Jordanesque. It just makes me sick that the prime years of both players were with such awful teammates.

I remember so many games from both players in those years. It was pure classic. Its just to hard to name the better player. Its even for me.

And yeah, I would give them both the MVP in those seasons. **** the team record. They were unbelievable.
:bowdown: :bowdown:
Marion was there like half a season.

[moe94]

Is 03 T-Mac on their level or a cut down?

[LEFT4DEAD]

Marion was there like half a season.
Yeah, and Jermaine the other half. Similiar impacts, the team didnt change a bit.

[LEFT4DEAD]

Is 03 T-Mac on their level or a cut down?
One more very underrated individual' season. Basically everything I said in my post about Kobe and Wade could've been said for Tmac in 03.

[NumberSix]

Is 03 T-Mac on their level or a cut down?
T-Mac never won a chip, so we've erased all of his accomplishments from history.

[moe94]

T-Mac never won a chip, so we've erased all of his accomplishments from history.
Can't tell if ironic or not. :coleman:

[Poetry]

T-Mac never won a chip, so we've erased all of his accomplishments from history.

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[LeGOAT]

Wade because of superior defense and playoffs

[Dresta]

While that play is great and a rare feat, it's not numbers we haven't seen before ( MJ 91 finals comes to mind)

Kobe as a shooting guard was puttin up numbers that hadnt been seen since Wilt
But MJ was better than Wilt :confusedshrug:

[moe94]

But MJ was better than Wilt :confusedshrug:
Not in the regular season.

[Dresta]

Didn't know MJ's 91 finals was in the regular season.

[pegasus]

Kobe. Much more difficult conference.

[moe94]

Didn't know MJ's 91 finals was in the regular season.

Point to one regular season that is comparable to any of Wilt's top 5 seasons.

[Dresta]

Point to one regular season that is comparable to any of Wilt's top 5 seasons.
:facepalm

What on earth are you talking about?

[moe94]

:facepalm

What on earth are you talking about?

-Jordan is better than Wilt (scoring)
-not in the regular season
-shows a finals to prove a point (hilarious)
-he's still not better in the regular season
-what are you talking about

:coleman:

[0000000]

Lol, it's not even close. Kobe is much better. 2009 Wade was more like 2003 Kobe...and 2006 Kobe is much better than 2003 Kobe. Not even close.
2006-2010 Kobe is easily better than 2009 Wade. Especially 2006 Kobe.

How underrated is Kobe here, geez.

[97 bulls]

How do you guys feel Scottie Pippens 95 season compares to Wades and Bryants? Mind you before Jordans return.

Stats? Historically, what Pippen did in 95 has only been done four other times when he led the Bulls in the five major categories pts, rebs, asts, stls, blks. In fact, its more rare than avg 35+ pts for a season. He also led the league in defensive rating. A league with such great defensive centers as Olajuwan, Mourning, Mutombo, and Robinson

The Bulls record was basically the same as the Heats and Lakers.

And unlike Kobe and Wade, Pippen was also the Bulls defensive anchor. Anchoring the number two defense in the league.

All threes second best players were roughly on the same level. Odom, Beasley and Kukoc.

[moe94]

Pippen's peak is severely underrated.

22/8.7/6/3stls with GOAT defense?

Second best player in the league today.

[0000000]

Pippen's peak is severely underrated.

22/8.7/6/3stls with GOAT defense?

Second best player in the league today.


Agree with that.

[D-Wade316]

Although Kobe was a bit better overall, Wade had a span that is even crazier than Kobe's 62 point / 81 point span. Wade in that span I'm talking about;
13 games 37.2 ppg 5.9 rpg 10.4 apg 2.9 spg 1.4 bpg .553 fg .419 3pt .865 ft
He wasn't better overall. Offensively they're even, but their defense separates them.

Off RAPM
Kobe - +5.9
Wade - +5.7

Def RAPM
Kobe - -1.2
Wade - +0.7

Hell, Wade had the greater impact over Kobe in 06.

Wade 06
Off - +4.6
Def - +1.5

[The-Legend-24]

Didn't Kobe have like 20 50+ points games that season? :oldlol: :bowdown:

[NumberSix]

He wasn't better overall. Offensively they're even, but their defense separates them.

Off RAPM
Kobe - +5.9
Wade - +5.7

Def RAPM
Kobe - -1.2
Wade - +0.7

Hell, Wade had the greater impact over Kobe in 06.

Wade 06
Off - +4.6
Def - +1.5
When will people just accept that prime Wade was simply a better player than prime Kobe?

Now that Wade has 3 championships, Kobe stans can't just rely on Kobe's overwhelming 5to1 ring count. 3to5 is close enough to give more weight to who the better player was.

[D-Wade316]

Honestly, Kobe's 06 season is his most overrated season. 03 comes close. His best seasons are 08 and 09.

[moe94]

Honestly, Kobe's 06 season is his most overrated season. 03 comes close. His best seasons are 08 and 09.

Hop off that crack. :biggums:

[NumberSix]

Honestly, Kobe's 06 season is his most overrated season. 03 comes close. His best seasons are 08 and 09.
In typical Kobetard fashion, they be like "that was the season he scored the most points? Oh, that must be his best season then."

[tmacattack33]

Does anyone have any clutch stats for these two in these two yrs?

Cuz it's not like we are comparing playoff runs, in which case we would all likely remember some of the big shots and games of the Finals or ECF/WFC. It's not like any of us can remember some random reg season games from December 2005 or March 2009.

[0000000]

In typical Kobetard fashion, they be like "that was the season he scored the most points? Oh, that must be his best season then."

Your avatar represents you well, that's all.

[moe94]

In typical Kobetard fashion, they be like "that was the season he scored the most points? Oh, that must be his best season then."

I'm sure it has nothing to do with scoring 7 more points on the same efficiency while having much much less to work with, no. It's 2009 because he won the title. :coleman:

[chazzy]

Honestly, Kobe's 06 season is his most overrated season. 03 comes close. His best seasons are 08 and 09.
Def not 09. Stop looking too much into the numbers

[D-Wade316]

Def not 09. Stop looking too much into the numbers
Ironic, considering Kobe fans jizz all over his scoring numbers.

[The Iron Fist]

Tough choice. Very tough!
Both with awful teammates. I mean Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, George, Mihm(?)... if Im not mistaken on one side, and two rookies, Chalmers and Beasley in the first team of the Heat. Only Odom and Marion were above average players on those teams.
It was 1 vs 5 in 80% of games for them, and what they did in those seasons was Jordanesque. It just makes me sick that the prime years of both players were with such awful teammates.

I remember so many games from both players in those years. It was pure classic. Its just to hard to name the better player. Its even for me.

And yeah, I would give them both the MVP in those seasons. **** the team record. They were unbelievable.
:bowdown: :bowdown:

:wtf: Odom is as average as it gets.

[Dresta]

-Jordan is better than Wilt (scoring)
-not in the regular season
-shows a finals to prove a point (hilarious)
-he's still not better in the regular season
-what are you talking about

:coleman:
I really cannot understand what you are getting at. I never brought up the finals or tried to prove a point (if that is what you are saying), that was mentioned by the person i quoted.

[Dresta]

:wtf: Odom is as average as it gets.
Odom was better in 06 than Marion was in 09.

[Bigsmoke]

I don't like Kobe but the answer his him.

Kobe played much better in the post season and would beat the shit out of the 09 Hawks

[DMAVS41]

Def not 09. Stop looking too much into the numbers

I'm interested to know how you rank Kobe's best 5 seasons...because to me Kobe was absolutely great in 09.

Played every single game. Led his team to 65 wins and the title...I mean he didn't defend as hard as he did in 08, but I think 09 was definitely one of Kobe's best seasons.

[NumberSix]

I'm interested to know how you rank Kobe's best 5 seasons...because to me Kobe was absolutely great in 09.

Played every single game. Led his team to 65 wins and the title...I mean he didn't defend as hard as he did in 08, but I think 09 was definitely one of Kobe's best seasons.
Kobe's best season was probably 1995.

[DMAVS41]

Odom was better in 06 than Marion was in 09.

Yea...

Odom was a 15/9/6 player in 06 regular season and a 19/11/5 player in the 06 playoffs...

That is not average at all. Odom is so under-rated on here...

[TheMarkMadsen]

Yea...

Odom was a 15/9/6 player in 06 regular season and a 19/11/5 player in the 06 playoffs...

That is not average at all. Odom is so under-rated on here...

No he's not. He's rated exactly where he should be.

He put up good numbers on shitty teams his entire career until he joined the a lakers. Lamar never lived up to the potential that his skill set and size set for him. He was always good at everything but not good enough at one thing to reall make a significant impact on a team as a first or second option

On top of that the dude was just too inconsistent to be seriously relied on as a 2nd option, and I'm talking defensively, not jus offensively.

He was a good 2nd option for a Lakers team that was pure garbage outside of Kobe & Lamar. Lamar was forced into being a 2nd option, and he performed well, however his stats were mis leading in terms of impact. He jus wasnt consistent enough throughout games.

Which is why he made the perfect 3rd option in 09 & 10. He wasn't asked to do more than he was comfortable with. He was put in a role that protected him, he only had to be a playmaker in short spurts, he was excellent at passing from the top of the key which made him perfect for the triangle.

So yeah Odom is rated exactly where he should be, a good all around player that shined in the triangle when his responsibilities were limited. Never a guy that could lead a team and never a legit second option, never an all star but a quality all around player who was very important in 2 championship runs.

Underrated would be the career of Shawn Mario. Multiple time all star,
Was one of the best defenders in the league for years, good offensively, played a big role on this Suns teams and played a huge role defensively for a championship team where he was given the task (as an older veteran) of guarding a prime Lebron James in the finals and did a tremendous job at that

[Dresta]

No he's not. He's rated exactly where he should be.

He put up good numbers on shitty teams his entire career until he joined the a lakers. Lamar never lived up to the potential that his skill set and size set for him. He was always good at everything but not good enough at one thing to reall make a significant impact on a team as a first or second option

On top of that the dude was just too inconsistent to be seriously relied on as a 2nd option, and I'm talking defensively, not jus offensively.

He was a good 2nd option for a Lakers team that was pure garbage outside of Kobe & Lamar. Lamar was forced into being a 2nd option, and he performed well, however his stats were mis leading in terms of impact. He jus wasnt consistent enough throughout games.

Which is why he made the perfect 3rd option in 09 & 10. He wasn't asked to do more than he was comfortable with. He was put in a role that protected him, he only had to be a playmaker in short spurts, he was excellent at passing from the top of the key which made him perfect for the triangle.

So yeah Odom is rated exactly where he should be, a good all around player that shined in the triangle when his responsibilities were limited. Never a guy that could lead a team and never a legit second option, never an all star but a quality all around player who was very important in 2 championship runs.

Underrated would be the career of Shawn Mario. Multiple time all star,
Was one of the best defenders in the league for years, good offensively, played a big role on this Suns teams and played a huge role defensively for a championship team where he was given the task (as an older veteran) of guarding a prime Lebron James in the finals and did a tremendous job at that
Since when is 'too inconsistent to be a 2nd option' the same as being average?

[moe94]

Since when is 'too inconsistent to be a 2nd option' the same as being average?

People have no idea what average even means. Some guy tried arguing IBAKA is an average PF in the league. :bowdown:

[Micku]

Does anyone have any clutch stats for these two in these two yrs?

Cuz it's not like we are comparing playoff runs, in which case we would all likely remember some of the big shots and games of the Finals or ECF/WFC. It's not like any of us can remember some random reg season games from December 2005 or March 2009.

You can look on nba.com or some other sites for it. In the regular season for the last five minutes with a 5 point difference, ahead or behind:

2009 Wade: 4.4 ppg, 47%. 2.9 FGA. 45 games in that type of situation. Lead the league in points in this specific category, but I don't think he lead in 4th quarter scoring.
http://stats.nba.com/leaguePlayerClutch.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25&Season=2008-09&sortField=PTS&sortOrder=DES


2006 Kobe: 4.2 ppg, 36.4%. 3.3 FGA. 40 games in that type of situation.
http://stats.nba.com/leaguePlayerClutch.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25&Season=2005-06&sortField=PTS&sortOrder=DES


Kobe didn't shoot that badly in other years btw (kobe fans/haters). And I don't know how many game winners that they had. I would have to look that up later.

You can also find out old Michael Jordan stats when he was with the Bulls too. It goes all the way back until 1997.

So...doing the work for lazy ppl:

Michael Jordan 1997: 3.9 ppg, 39.5%. 2.7 FGA. 30 games in that type of situation.
http://stats.nba.com/leaguePlayerClutch.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25&Season=1996-97&sortField=PTS&sortOrder=DES&AheadBehind=Ahead%20or%20Behind


Michael Jordan 1998: 4.2 ppg, 43.0%. 3.1 FGA. 37 games in that type of situation.
http://stats.nba.com/leaguePlayerClutch.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=25&Season=1997-98&sortField=PTS&sortOrder=DES&AheadBehind=Ahead%20or%20Behind