KD in December 30/9/5/2/2 3 turnovers 55/50/89 shoot

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

8 games
7-1 with only lost @portland
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[b1imtf]

Probable MVP

[BlazerRed]

Probable MVP
So far most definitely. Anyone saying otherwise is an idiot. Dude is killing it currently. He was MVP favorite going into all-star weekend last year, but dropped off a little after. Hopefully he keeps it up this year.

[NumberSix]

So far most definitely. Anyone saying otherwise is an idiot. Dude is killing it currently.
I say otherwise.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

I say otherwise.
You proved his point:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[BlazerRed]

I say otherwise.

Thanks for proving my point.

EDIT: Hamtaro beat me to it.

[b1imtf]

You proved his point:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
:lol

[russwest0]

You proved his point:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

:lol :lol :lol

REP REP REP REP

[moe94]

Durant is a beast.

Why do some OKC fans literally think he's worse than Westbrook?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Durant is a beast.

Why do some OKC fans literally think he's worse than Westbrook?
Westbrook is a animal top 3 PG in NBA but anyone who thinks he better than KD:facepalm

[BlazerRed]

Durant is a beast.

Why do some OKC fans literally think he's worse than Westbrook?
I don't know any OKC fans who think Westbrook is the better player?

[moe94]

I don't know any OKC fans who think Westbrook is the better player?

"Westbrook is more valuable to the team, regardless of the stats"

"Durant is ref baby like Harden, he's not real like GAWDbrook"

[TheCorporation]

One of the factors that is hurting him is Westbrook. IF you look at the other MVP candidates, who has someone even close to Westbrook as their #2 option?

LBJ? George? CP3? Aldridge? etc.

Also, it was only a small sample, but we saw how Durant did without Westbrook. Russ is extremely important for Durant/OKC's success, too.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

One of the factors that is hurting him is Westbrook. IF you look at the other MVP candidates, who has someone even close to Westbrook as their #2 option?

LBJ? George? CP3? Aldridge? etc.

Also, it was only a small sample, but we saw how Durant did without Westbrook. Russ is extremely important for Durant/OKC's success, too.
Lebron won w/Wade:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:
MJ won w/ the greatest 2nd option ever and has a losing record without him:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[pauk]

:bowdown:

[NumberSix]

empy stats doe.


#freethrows

[Doranku]

Not hard to shoot 55% when you get every whistle in the world. Impossible to defend the dude because you can't even look at him without getting a foul called.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Not hard to shoot 55% when you get every whistle in the world. Impossible to defend the dude because you can't even look at him without getting a foul called.
It is hard to shoot 55% when youre primarily a jumpshooter not hard to shoot 55% when youre Lebron and make a move to power forward to get easier shots near the basket and make a living off transition

[Just2McFly]

Westbrook comes back, Durant goes off and Westbrook doesn't get any credit? WTF?

[KG215]

One of the factors that is hurting him is Westbrook. IF you look at the other MVP candidates, who has someone even close to Westbrook as their #2 option?

LBJ? George? CP3? Aldridge? etc.

Also, it was only a small sample, but we saw how Durant did without Westbrook. Russ is extremely important for Durant/OKC's success, too.
:facepalm

This bullshit...still? No, we saw what the team did without Westbrook. Durant still put up 32-10-6 on 58% TS without Russ in the playoffs.

[BlazerRed]

:facepalm

This bullshit...still? No, we saw what the team did without Westbrook. Durant still put up 32-10-6 on 58% TS without Russ in the playoffs.

People are ****ing stupid man. I swear there's more retard trolls here than legitimate posters. Terrible.

[KG215]

Not hard to shoot 55% when you get every whistle in the world. Impossible to defend the dude because you can't even look at him without getting a foul called.
Durant's averaging 7.9 FTA/game in December, but good try. And 8 FTA/game for a superstar is far from excessive.

[Just2McFly]

:facepalm

This bullshit...still? No, we saw what the team did without Westbrook. Durant still put up 32-10-6 on 58% TS without Russ in the playoffs.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Doranku]

Durant's averaging 7.9 FTA/game in December, but good try. And 8 FTA/game for a superstar is far from excessive.

It goes beyond that. For example, Durant was getting every call in the world early in tonight's game. This makes defenders have to play him a different way for the rest of the game because if they use any physicality whatsoever, they'll just be called for a foul.

This leaves Durant open to do whatever he wants because defenders are so limited in what they can do against him because of how he is refereed. It's disgusting.

[pauk]

:facepalm

This bullshit...still? No, we saw what the team did without Westbrook. Durant still put up 32-10-6 on 58% TS without Russ in the playoffs.

Westbrook deserves credit aswell, he has been amazing and arguably just as important to the team with his allround productions (near triple doubles) and crucial playmaking/penetrating scrambling the opposing team defense all the time, i still think Durant deserves to be at the top for MVP so far but i have Westbrook as a contender in my list aswell.

Durant may get his numbers without Westbrook, but the outcome of OKC's success obviously suffers a great deal without Westbrook, its especially visible in the Playoffs. Think that is what "The Corporation" means.

[TheCorporation]

:facepalm

This bullshit...still? No, we saw what the team did without Westbrook. Durant still put up 32-10-6 on 58% TS without Russ in the playoffs.

He didn't go anywhere in the playoffs without Westbrook... He lost in 5 vs the Grizzlies...

KD obviously needs Westbrook, as Russ West is the most vital #2 option on any team in the league.

[KG215]

He didn't go anywhere in the playoffs without Westbrook... He lost in 5 vs the Grizzlies...

KD obviously needs Westbrook, as Russ West is the most vital #2 option on any team in the league.
Well, there's plenty of other factors your ignorantly ignoring, but I'm not going to get into it tonight with someone with an obvious agenda.

[TheCorporation]

Westbrook deserves credit aswell, he has been amazing and arguably just as important to the team with his allround productions (near triple doubles) and crucial playmaking/penetrating scrambling the opposing team defense all the time, i still think Durant deserves to be at the top for MVP so far but i have Westbrook as a contender in my list aswell.

Durant may get his numbers without Westbrook, but the outcome of OKC's success obviously suffers a great deal without Westbrook, its especially visible in the Playoffs.

Exactly, I got a 2013 guy catching feelings because I said KD wouldn't go anywhere without Westbrook.

LBJ has had to carry Wade through the playoffs and to the Finals for the last two years. If Westbrook put up Wade's stats for the playoffs, KD would be bounced out of the playoffs again.

It's not a knock on Durant, it's props for Westbrook. Just so we are clear here...

[KG215]

Westbrook deserves credit aswell, he has been amazing and arguably just as important to the team with his allround productions (near triple doubles) and crucial playmaking/penetrating scrambling the opposing team defense all the time, i still think Durant deserves to be at the top for MVP so far but i have Westbrook as a contender in my list aswell.

Durant may get his numbers without Westbrook, but the outcome of OKC's success obviously suffers a great deal without Westbrook, its especially visible in the Playoffs. Think that is what "The Corporation" means.
I've never denied Westbrook's importance to the team. I don't give a shit how OKC wins as long as they win. Durant could average 10-1-1 on 35% shooting for a series, and if OKC wins I'm happy. I'm not you.

[TheCorporation]

Well, there's plenty of other factors your ignorantly ignoring, but I'm not going to get into it tonight with someone with an obvious agenda.

:coleman:

I have no agenda, just speaking my mind, like you are (well you were, but then claimed I had an agenda).

I think what I'm saying is pretty easy to read, I will say it again:

Durant has the very best #2 option in the league by a long shot and thus Westbrook is nearly equally as important as Durant is in order for the Thunder to remain successful throughout. This is not a knock on KD, necessarily, it is props for Westbrook.

[NumberSix]

I've never denied Westbrook's importance to the team. I don't give a shit how OKC wins as long as they win. Durant could average 10-1-1 on 35% shooting for a series, and if OKC wins I'm happy. I'm not you.
Agreed. I don't care what Durant averages, as long as they lose.

[TheCorporation]

I've never denied Westbrook's importance to the team. I don't give a shit how OKC wins as long as they win. Durant could average 10-1-1 on 35% shooting for a series, and if OKC wins I'm happy. I'm not you.

Okay, well wouldn't you say KD's chances of an MVP are harder now that he has the clear cut second best option in the league? Especially in comparison to other aforementioned candidates in LBJ, CP3, George, Aldridge?

No one said KD isn't amazing, because if they did they'd be an idiot. lol

[KG215]

It goes beyond that. For example, Durant was getting every call in the world early in tonight's game. This makes defenders have to play him a different way for the rest of the game because if they use any physicality whatsoever, they'll just be called for a foul.

This leaves Durant open to do whatever he wants because defenders are so limited in what they can do against him because of how he is refereed. It's disgusting.
You realize Durant is averaging about as many FTs/game in his prime as your hero, right? And which of his FT's tonight weren't warranted other than the and-1 on his made 3-pointer? And that's the best you can do, really? The bottom line is, he's shooting 8 FTA/game in December, which is far from excessive, and is still shooting 55% from the floor.

[KG215]

Okay, well wouldn't you say KD's chances of an MVP are harder now that he has the clear cut second best option in the league? Especially in comparison to other aforementioned candidates in LBJ, CP3, George, Aldridge?

No one said KD isn't amazing, because if they did they'd be an idiot. lol
No, not really. If OKC wins 60+ games, finishes with the best record in the West, and the Heat/LeBron continue coasting and finish 3-5 games worse, Durant will have a great shot at winning MVP. Not sure how having the best second option in the league will or should hurt him. It hasn't hurt other players in the past in winning MVPs.

Pretty much, if Durant has another 28-8-5, 50/40/90 type season (don't think he'll average quite 50/40/90, probably a little under those percentages) and OKC finishes with the best or second best record in the NBA, there's a really good chance he wins MVP. Having Westbrook didn't keep him from winning it the last two years; LeBron, one of the 5-10 best players ever, being at his peak and playing at an absurd level did.

[NumberSix]

You realize Durant is averaging about as many FTs/game in his prime as your hero, right? And which of his FT's tonight weren't warranted other than the and-1 on his made 3-pointer? And that's the best you can do, really? The bottom line is, he's shooting 8 FTA/game in December, which is far from excessive, and is still shooting 55% from the floor.
Durant points from field goals were empty stats. Those 8 free throws were the game changers doe.

I don't if he scores 90 points if all they are is empty stats. When the refs give away 8 points of meaningful stats, that's when it's a problem.

[pauk]

I've never denied Westbrook's importance to the team. I don't give a shit how OKC wins as long as they win. Durant could average 10-1-1 on 35% shooting for a series, and if OKC wins I'm happy. I'm not you.

Was just explaining what TheCorporation meant... if you knew what he meant you wouldnt be calling it "BS" and mention only that Durant dropped 30-10-6 acting like winning doesnt matter, it kindof comes out like undermining Westbrook importance dont you agree (i dont think you meant it, you just misinterpreted what Corp meant)..... KD will always get his numbers, but thats not the point...

I know you are loyal to your team and sorry if you think i blunted you.... im not you either.. :)

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Exactly, I got a 2013 guy catching feelings because I said KD wouldn't go anywhere without Westbrook.

LBJ has had to carry Wade through the playoffs and to the Finals for the last two years. If Westbrook put up Wade's stats for the playoffs, KD would be bounced out of the playoffs again.

It's not a knock on Durant, it's props for Westbrook. Just so we are clear here...
Thanks for ignoring my post
MJ had by far the best 2nd option in the league. He got bounced in the 1st round every year w/o Pippen and Pippen was a top 5 player many years in a stacked 90s
Did he deserve less MVPs?

[All Net]

Most impressed by his passing and defense so far.

[yeaaaman]

It goes beyond that. For example, Durant was getting every call in the world early in tonight's game. This makes defenders have to play him a different way for the rest of the game because if they use any physicality whatsoever, they'll just be called for a foul.

This leaves Durant open to do whatever he wants because defenders are so limited in what they can do against him because of how he is refereed. It's disgusting.

What was he doing to get the calls - do you think that's a function of the refs rigging the game towards Durant and just giving him calls so that defenses can't play him honestly, or is that because he is doing something right/taking advantage of a skill in order to get calls?

I mean people can make the same argument about Lebron, he shoots a lot of shots near the rim so he's not that great, his crazy fg% is overrated. I personally might not give him as much credit for that as a guy who takes more jumpers and shoots a high percentage, but why shouldn't he if he can get them? He's utilizing a skill.

Rondo is padding assists not taking open jumpers, when he's pretty horrible at open jumpers and sometimes it's better to find a better look.

Players play to their strengths all the time. If you're drawing fouls that's probably a function of something you're doing right on the offensive end. And if the defenses aren't able to stop that they need to come with a different approach. That's the same thing teams do with other players, Lebron beasting, the Spurs came with a different approach and it mostly worked. That's on the opposing team to figure out, not the player benefiting from utilizing their own strengths/good play.

[TheCorporation]

Thanks for ignoring my post
MJ had by far the best 2nd option in the league. He got bounced in the 1st round every year w/o Pippen and Pippen was a top 5 player many years in a stacked 90s
Did he deserve less MVPs?

Pippen was a top 5 player in the 90s? That might be a stretch, considering we have guys like Jordan, Barkely, Payton, Malone, Weber, Penny, Kemp, Wilkins, KJ, Mourning, Hill, Rodman, Drexler, Miller, Robinson, Stockton, Ewing, Shaq, Hakeem, Mutumbo just off the top...

We can easily say we have a lock for 90s players:

Jordan, Hakeem, Shaq, Malone...

So would you put Pippen over everyone else: Barkley, Stockton, Weber, Penny, Kemp, KJ, Mouring, Rodman, Drexler, Miller, Robinson, Ewing, Mutumbo etc?

Pippen was great at what he did, a little bit of everything, but no way was he a top 5 player of the 90s

Let's compare his best 2 seasons to the other people not "locked" into the top 5.

Pippen
94: 22/9/5.6 on 49% FG with 2.9 steals and 0.8 blocks per game.
95: 21/8/5.2 on 48% FG with 2.9 steals and 1.1 blocks per game *won steals title

Ewing
90: 29/11/6 on 55% FG with 1.0 steals and 4.0 blocks per game
91: 27/11/3 on 51% FG with 1.0 steals and 3.2 blocks per game

*noteworthy that in the 90's Ewing put up 20/10 every single season but 99, where he still put up 17/10

Tim Hardaway

Had multiple 20 point 10 assist seasons with 2 steals per game

Mouring
Peaked in 99 with a 20/11/2 with 4 blocks on 51% *DPOY too
Also had a 23/10/2 on 52% FG with 2.7 blocks and 1.0 steals per game

I think you get my point here. I don't think Pippen was a top 5 player in the 90s. I didn't even look into the others I mentioned...

[moe94]

Pippen was a top 5 player in the 90s? That might be a stretch, considering we have guys like Jordan, Barkely, Payton, Malone, Weber, Penny, Kemp, Wilkins, KJ, Mourning, Hill, Rodman, Drexler, Miller, Robinson, Stockton, Ewing, Shaq, Hakeem, Mutumbo just off the top...

We can easily say we have a lock for 90s players:

Jordan, Hakeem, Shaq, Malone...

So would you put Pippen over everyone else: Barkley, Stockton, Weber, Penny, Kemp, KJ, Mouring, Rodman, Drexler, Miller, Robinson, Ewing, Mutumbo etc?

Pippen was better than them, almost without question. Are you insane? :biggums:

He was top 5 during 94-95. You're right, though. He wasn't top 5 the entire 90s.

[TheCorporation]

Pippen was better than them, almost without question. Are you insane? :biggums:

He was top 5 during 94-95. You're right, though. He wasn't top 5 the entire 90s.

You sure about that?

Drexler:

23-7-6 on 49% with 2.0 spg (in 89 he put up 27-8-6 on 49% with 2.7 spg)
He also posted a season average of 25-7-6.6 on 47% with 1.8 spg and 0.9 bpg...

In the 90's Clyde the Glide had a stretch for 7 years where he scored 20 or more ppg in 6 of those years, while rebounding 6.5 rpg in 6 of those 7 years, averaging 1.8 spg

:coleman:

Stockton:

In the 90s Stockton averaged:
15 ppg and 12 apg on 52% 2.25 spg averaging 40% from the arc.

So without question Pippen was better than both of them? I didn't even look into the other guys either.

[mjokc]

Durant wouldn't be the player he is today without Kendrick Perkins. Look it up for yourself, since Perkins joined the team, KD's win % has increased.


Perk dat GOAT.
:bowdown:

[moe94]

So without question Pippen was better than both of them? I didn't even look into the other guys either.

Yes, I'm sure of that.

You're greatly underrating 22/9/6/3stls with the GOAT defense :facepalm

That's better than all the names I bolded. The best of them maybe equal this.

[Blackisbig]

People use OKC losing to Memphis last year without Westbrook as a knock on KD and then use it as justification as to why he shouldn't win MVP? The reason why his loss hurt OKC so much had nothing to do with KD, and more to do with how the team is structured. OKC relies on those two players' scoring more than any other team relies on any two other players. Durant's record without Russ should have no bearing on him winning mvp, but should serve more as an indictment on how OKC's roster was constructed last season and the lack of scoring option outside of Durant and Westbrook.

[Fudge]

You proved his point:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
LMFAO

How you gon get trolled by Jotaro doe?

[DMAVS41]

You can hate on Durant all you want, but you can't fault him for getting to the line. He plays how he does because it's the most impactful thing for his team. Getting to the ft line is always a bonus...it's just great for every team.

I don't like the calls that some of these guys get either, but it's the way it is now. I don't fault Durant...I fault the league.

But even without the ft's...durant is still on the short list for greatest perimeter scorer ever.

[Soundwave]

You proved his point:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

http://gifs.gifbin.com/1233928590_citizen%20kane%20clapping.gif

Bravo sir. One of the funniest posts in ISH history.