Lebron to Pass Bird in Career Points and Assists This Season

[Alan Ogg]

Lebron will surpass Bird in career points in the next 5 or 6 games and in assists later this season. He will also move pass Bird in all time playoff points in the playoffs.

[kamil]

Last 6 years of Bird's he didn't play every game. 88-89 he played only 6 games.

[Bandito]

:applause:

Congratz; How do you feel about that accomplishment in your life.

[Alan Ogg]

Lebron will have racked them up in less games.

[ripthekik]

Too bad he's still far behind and won't pass Bird on the all-time lists.

[ripthekik]

He'll surpass Bird after this season.

Larry - 3x NBA MVP, 2x Finals MVP; Lebron 4x NBA MVP, 2x Finals MVP. They are the GOAT Small Forwards 1a and 1b.
3 rings > 2

[VIntageNOvel]

He'll surpass Bird after this season.

Larry - 3x NBA MVP, 2x Finals MVP; Lebron 4x NBA MVP, 2x Finals MVP. They are the GOAT Small Forwards 1a and 1b.

:roll:

if only bird joined force with magic and moses :applause:

[moe94]

:roll:

if only bird joined force with magic and moses :applause:

I know, he had to settle for the greatest frontcourt of all time. :cry:

[fpliii]

I know, he had to settle for the greatest frontcourt of all time. :cry:

Nice avatar. Will rep when I can.

[VIntageNOvel]

He played with Kevin Mchale ( who finished top 3 in MVP Voting) and Robert Parish.

he even made his teammate better, just like jordan made pippen :applause:
what you would expect from GOAT

[moe94]

Nice avatar. Will rep when I can.
If you ever need requests, let me know.

[fpliii]

If you ever need requests, let me know.

:cheers:

[pauk]

Congrats.


Last 6 years of Bird's he didn't play every game. 88-89 he played only 6 games.

That wouldnt have mattered much as Lebron averaged more PPG & APG....

[pauk]

:roll:

if only bird joined force with magic and moses :applause:

He didnt have to, he had his championship supporting cast already delivered to him on a silverplate from the get go just like Magic.... so good infact he won his 1st championship while playing in the Finals even worse than Lebron did in the 2011 Finals (Bird had back-to-back 8 point games and so on), where Maxwell was the FMVP.

[VIntageNOvel]

He didnt have to, he had his championship supporting cast already delivered to him on a silverplate from the get go just like Magic.... so good infact he won his 1st championship while playing in the Finals even worse than Lebron did in the 2011 Finals, where Maxwell was the FMVP.

didnt you say youre fans of bird first, reggie second, and bron third :coleman:

[Shep]

Too bad he's still far behind and won't pass Bird on the all-time lists.
actually he already has

[coin24]

He didnt have to, he had his championship supporting cast already delivered to him on a silverplate from the get go just like Magic.... so good infact he won his 1st championship while playing in the Finals even worse than Lebron did in the 2011 Finals (Bird had back-to-back 8 point games and so on), where Maxwell was the FMVP.

2 60+ win seasons, it's not the cavs fault Lebron chokes in the playoffs:oldlol:

[pauk]

didnt you say youre fans of bird first, reggie second, and bron third :coleman:

1. Reggie Miller / Drazen Petrovic
2. Larry Bird
3. Penny Hardaway
4. Pete Maravich
5. Lebron James / Magic Johnson

But who my favorite players are doesnt matter that way (being biased) as i prefer to be fair & objective in my assessments. Bird or Magic were nowhere close in Lebron's or Jordan's situation to even for a second weigh their options (struggling with scrub supporting casts for many of their first years).

[Doranku]

1. Reggie Miller / Drazen Petrovic
2. Larry Bird
3. Penny Hardaway
4. Pete Maravich
5. Lebron James / Magic Johnson

But who my favorite players are doesnt matter that way (being biased) as i prefer to be fair & objective in my assessments. Bird or Magic were nowhere close in Lebron's or Jordan's situation to even for a second weigh their options (struggling with scrub supporting casts for many of their first years).
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[pauk]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Sorry this is not 2011.

[Doranku]

Sorry this is not 2011.






















1. Reggie Miller / Drazen Petrovic
2. Larry Bird
3. Penny Hardaway
4. Pete Maravich
5. Lebron James / Magic Johnson

But who my favorite players are doesnt matter that way (being biased) as i prefer to be fair & objective in my assessments. Bird or Magic were nowhere close in Lebron's or Jordan's situation to even for a second weigh their options (struggling with scrub supporting casts for many of their first years).
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[ripthekik]

1. Reggie Miller / Drazen Petrovic
2. Larry Bird
3. Penny Hardaway
4. Pete Maravich
5. Lebron James / Magic Johnson

But who my favorite players are doesnt matter that way (being biased) as i prefer to be fair & objective in my assessments. Bird or Magic were nowhere close in Lebron's or Jordan's situation to even for a second weigh their options (struggling with scrub supporting casts for many of their first years).
http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/david-stern-chokes-on-water-during-nets-clippers-game.gif

[moe94]

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/david-stern-chokes-on-water-during-nets-clippers-game.gif
Every single time. :oldlol:

[Asukal]

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/david-stern-chokes-on-water-during-nets-clippers-game.gif

:roll: :lol :oldlol: :hammerhead:

[sportjames23]

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/david-stern-chokes-on-water-during-nets-clippers-game.gif


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SHAQisGOAT]

He didnt have to, he had his championship supporting cast already delivered to him on a silverplate from the get go just like Magic.... so good infact he won his 1st championship while playing in the Finals even worse than Lebron did in the 2011 Finals (Bird had back-to-back 8 point games and so on), where Maxwell was the FMVP.

Lmao, gtfoh... 2nd worst record in the league when he got there. Same cast, he led them to the best record and the ECF in his first year. With Parish the next year, Cowens gone, led them to the Finals and the championship.

Parish was 27 when he joined the Celtics and never viewed as all that with Golden State. McHale only started his prime in 1984 and was never expected to be what he was, amazing at his best I'll tell you but didn't last long due to injury.

Even worse than Lebron's 2011 Finals? :lol How about mentioning Lebron's first Finals? Bird was a sophomore not yet at his best, Lebron was like in his 8th year and in his prime in 2011. How about Larry outplaying the MVP Julius Erving also in 1981, in the "true" Finals, the ECF, leading them coming down from a 3-1 deficit? Oh and he's the only player to average 15+/15+/7+ in a final series. Had a great closing game6, clutch af (and to me he deserved FMVP, especially since Magic got it the year before). Was champ, leading them as best player, that alone qualifies as a better Finals than Lebron's 2011 (who had a better cast around). Wade was easily playing at a higher level than Maxwell (by "himself" also, because Bird was drawing most attention and getting Cornbread easy buckets) and Bosh was around him, what's James' excuse for losing?

Who the **** got his cast delivered on a silverplate? You can talk about Magic, but even more so, talk about Lebron since he joined the Heat. Lebron joined two, already established superstars, unlike Bird.

[SHAQisGOAT]

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/david-stern-chokes-on-water-during-nets-clippers-game.gif

:lol

Basically, my reaction.

[Micku]

He played with Kevin Mchale ( who finished top 3 in MVP Voting) and Robert Parish.

Top 4 I believe. Behind Magic, Jordan and Bird.

[plowking]

:roll:

if only bird joined force with magic and moses :applause:

Are you seriously going to sit there and tell me the Celtics weren't great? :oldlol:

Bird's best team probably sits in most peoples top 5 in terms of talent, and level of play right after Wilt's 76er's team and Magic's Lakers which were stacked from top to bottom.

[ripthekik]

Are you seriously going to sit there and tell me the Celtics weren't great? :oldlol:

Bird's best team probably sits in most peoples top 5 in terms of talent, and level of play right after Wilt's 76er's team and Magic's Lakers which were stacked from top to bottom.
How was their team formed though? Did Bird had to change teams to join up with them? Did those HOF's decided to sign together 1 summer in their prime to stack up against the rest of the competition?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

1. Reggie Miller / Drazen Petrovic
2. Larry Bird
3. Penny Hardaway
4. Pete Maravich
5. Lebron James / Magic Johnson

But who my favorite players are doesnt matter that way (being biased) as i prefer to be fair & objective in my assessments. Bird or Magic were nowhere close in Lebron's or Jordan's situation to even for a second weigh their options (struggling with scrub supporting casts for many of their first years).

How can u sit there and type out that nonsense and pretend youre a objective and high IQ basketball fan when u made threads like this

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=230174
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Alan Ogg]

Not to mention 5 time all-star, yearly defensive all NBA team, and Finals MVP Dennis Johnson. Seriously, supporting cast is not an argument against Lebron in the Bird vs Lebron debate.

[Alan Ogg]

And for what it's worth I currently have Bird 5 and Lebron 10, but my Lebron ranking is likely to change when the season is over. It would be interesting if Lebron won and another MVP and Finals MVP or one of the two.

[pauk]

How can u sit there and type out that nonsense and pretend youre a objective and high IQ basketball fan when u made threads like this

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=230174
:roll: :roll: :roll:

That is a long time ago during my deliberate trolling stage for obvious reasons this forum i thought deserved back then, i stopped caring about that long time ago.... You bringing up ancient threads wont help your case when i am a completely different poster and i dont feel the need to create another account to "wipe my slate clean"....

So as long as i do make factual, objective, rational assessments just like i have done now since a while then I CAN "pretend i am an objective fan" because the assessments ARE just THAT.... what i said 100 years ago does not matter...

[Nash]

why do people always bust pauks balls but not the rest of the trolls on this forum? I'm guessing its because he actually tries to not come of as a troll?

[Doranku]

why do people always bust pauks balls but not the rest of the trolls on this forum? I'm guessing its because he actually tries to not come of as a troll?

Because the rest of the trolls on this forum don't write 1000+ word lion essays because their idol got swatted twice in an all-star game.

[retaxis]

Because the rest of the trolls on this forum don't write 1000+ word lion essays because their idol got swatted twice in an all-star game.
At least he doesn't hate his life enough to spend it 'trolling' fans of a player you 'hate'. Man even writing this sentence just showed me how much of a cancer you are :lol

[Doranku]

At least he doesn't hate his life enough to spend it 'trolling' fans of a player you 'hate'. Man even writing this sentence just showed me how much of a cancer you are :lol

What? :oldlol:

[pauk]

Because the rest of the trolls on this forum don't write 1000+ word lion essays because their idol got swatted twice in an all-star game.

The thing is i didnt... those trolls did... that "1000+ word lion essay" is a collection of 15+ random posts i made during a span of 2-3 days discussing & having fun with various posters in Gamethreads, lots of stuff i didnt write there either.... I proved that in that thread by linking to all my posts, the OP who made that thread (Bandito, a butthurt Kobetard troll if i remember correctly) trolled all of you.... especially you... some of them know this (like maybe you) but still act like that thing really is my creation....

If you can link me to where i actually posted that "1000+ word essay" then i will call myself a troll and the worst poster ever..... until then its just a creation by a troll (a very good one i would say)....

[moe94]

Doranku getting blown the **** out.

[Doranku]

Doranku getting blown the **** out.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=319678

[moe94]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=319678
Some mad Knicks fan who went around putting my name into google images who cannot even formulate a proper sentence. Yes, I looked horrid, in comparison.

Instead of trying me, attack those two guys who just went in on you. :oldlol:

[coin24]

why do people always bust pauks balls but not the rest of the trolls on this forum? I'm guessing its because he actually tries to not come of as a troll?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Now I've seen it all. You all know Nash is Pauk right?:lol :facepalm

[pauk]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Now I've seen it all. You all know Nash is Pauk right?:lol :facepalm

I wonder if you are this annoying & ignorant irl? Nash? Why not anybody else random? Why not you? If you are unsure about who is who ask a moderator, they can see the IP adresses...

Now please stop derailing threads...

[Human Error]

:roll:

if only bird joined force with magic and moses :applause:
This is an idiotic comparison as Moses Malone is a 3 time MVP. Tell me when Bosh comes close to winning just one. And Kevin McHale is better than Chris Bosh.

[VIntageNOvel]

This is an idiotic comparison as Moses Malone is a 3 time MVP. Tell me when Bosh comes close to winning just one. And Kevin McHale is better than Chris Bosh.


prior to the competition isnt too far fetched, you got kareem and other legendary big, while now you got hibert as the most dominant force :lol

yes ofcourse mchale was better, bird made him better, just like pau "0-16" gasol suddenly became HOF centre playin with kobe, while the all star bosh was turned into spot up shooter and 0 point big


Are you seriously going to sit there and tell me the Celtics weren't great? :oldlol:

Bird's best team probably sits in most peoples top 5 in terms of talent, and level of play right after Wilt's 76er's team and Magic's Lakers which were stacked from top to bottom.

i was half trollin, but i want to ask you as one of the better bron stan in this site, do you really think if bron stay at cleveland, he wouldnt win any?

[moe94]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Now I've seen it all. You all know Nash is Pauk right?:lol :facepalm

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/234/csmb.jpg


How many theories you got, tinfoil24?

[sportjames23]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[coin24]

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/234/csmb.jpg


How many theories you got, tinfoil24?

Poor butthurt moe:oldlol:

Which alt are you? Still upset from the worst poster thread :roll:

[moe94]

Poor butthurt moe:oldlol:

Which alt are you? Still upset from the worst poster thread :roll:

Was that all you could muster?

At least bran has banter. You're like the runt of the kobe stans. You're only relevant when you're cosigning better trolls and laughing at what they do. :facepalm

[plowking]

i was half trollin, but i want to ask you as one of the better bron stan in this site, do you really think if bron stay at cleveland, he wouldnt win any?

I don't know, or care that much for Cleveland winning. I'm thinking they would have. Bron's been the best player in the league since 08-09, and he would have eventually pieced it together for one or two years. It would have been with one of the most average casts seen in a finals victor since Olajuwon, and it would have been more about right place, right time kind of win, much like Olajuwon's.

Bron isn't doing anything different from other greats. All of them had great teams, and from what you gather on this site, most of them would beat the Heat according to posters. :oldlol:
I don't see the big deal in what he did then... lol. Talent wise, this Heat team definitely isn't better than the Showtime Lakers, Bird's Celtics, Wilt's 76ers, Russell Celtics, etc.
Its probably on the level of the Shaq's Lakers, Jordan's Bulls and Kobe's Lakers teams, strictly from talent. Not to mention the competition now is better than it was back with those 3 teams, so its not like the Heat are some stacked team. They probably aren't even the most stacked talent wise today. Look at the Thunder, Clippers, San Antonio, etc. All have a case for being as good if not better talent wise. Particularly the Thunder and Clippers.

[All Net]

Too bad he's still far behind and won't pass Bird on the all-time lists.

On current pace? He certainly will.

[jstern]

http://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/david-stern-chokes-on-water-during-nets-clippers-game.gif
The funny thing is that he knew there was a live camera on him, since they get the heads up before.

[fpliii]

moe94 is a solid poster IMO. He already knows most guys here and isn't speaking out of his ass.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I wonder if you are this annoying & ignorant irl? Nash? Why not anybody else random? Why not you? If you are unsure about who is who ask a moderator, they can see the IP adresses...

Now please stop derailing threads...


Man ISH has known Nash was Pauk for awhile now.

And both always come with the "ask a mod they can see the IP adress" defense because he knows that will never happen.

Yeah, I'm sure the same mods that can't even ban people can see the IP adress of posters :facepalm

[riseagainst]

great job.
:applause:

But Bird is still the better player.

[bizil]

He played with Kevin Mchale ( who finished top 3 in MVP Voting) and Robert Parish.

Exactly right! And he played with other HOFers like Tiny and DJ. Plus an underrated All-Star guard in Ainge. Bird and Magic both played with awesome, multiple HOF kind of guys. They BOTH played with more talent than Lebron by FAR!!

[SHAQisGOAT]

Exactly right! And he played with other HOFers like Tiny and DJ. Plus an underrated All-Star guard in Ainge. Bird and Magic both played with awesome, multiple HOF kind of guys. They BOTH played with more talent than Lebron by FAR!!

:lol Yeah right... :facepalm

As I previously said, Celtics went from the 2nd worst record in the league (29W), to the best record (61W) and the ECF when Bird arrived (all-nba 1st, 4th in mvp voting, roy), with basically the same cast. Following year, Cowens was gone and Parish was in, they were champions with Bird leading the way, heavily outplaying MVP Dr J in the "real" Finals, the ECF, and you can talk about his finals but that was a sophomore as a best player leading them to the title and the only player in history to average 15+/15+/7+ in a final series.

Tiny was in his 30's in the 80's, after a ruptured left Achilles and a tore right one, still solid enough but a shell of his former self.
DJ was past his peak with the Celtics, still in his prime for some years though, still a pretty good player but let's not act like he was GREAT, and he was falling apart before joining Boston.
Ainge was a good player at his best but that only lasted for like 3 years with the Celtics, and he was never as good as when playing alongside prime Bird.
And I said it before, Parish was already 27 and in his 5th year when he joined the Celtics, and was never considered much with the Warriors, no all-nba teams, no top10 MVP voting, only in the Playoffs as a rookie because of Rick Barry and such.
McHale was drafted by the Celtics in 1981, never expected to "be" that good, only came into his own in 84 or so, amazing peak (one of the best for a PF) but lasted little as he was never the same after the 1987 RS.

Except for McHale (imo), Bird "made" HoF'ers, people look at names and their position and forget that.
Without having played for the Celtics alongside Bird, Parish, Tiny and DJ probably (most, most likely) wouldn't have been HoF'ers, or at least so quick to get in.

Oh and it's funny because you're basically killing your whole point... You say both Magic and Bird played with awesome, multiple HoF kind of guys but guess who both were going up against for best in the league and at the end of it all, most of the time?????? Shit :facepalm

Wade, already established as one of the best SG's ever. Bosh an established (super)star in the league. Deeply stacked roster, especially comparing to the rest of the league... East weak af during Bron's career too. (80s East overall is most likely the GOAT conference, and the 80s the GOAT era)

[Lebron23]

Dennis Johnson won an NBA Finals MVP when he played for the Seattle Supersonics. He's gonna surpass Bird if the Heat win the NBA Championship this season.

[Lebron23]

Exactly right! And he played with other HOFers like Tiny and DJ. Plus an underrated All-Star guard in Ainge. Bird and Magic both played with awesome, multiple HOF kind of guys. They BOTH played with more talent than Lebron by FAR!!


They were one of the most stacked teams of all time along side the Showtime Los Angeles Lakers.

I like Bird as a player and as a person, but to those people who said that Lebron wouldn't surpass him are pretty much very delusional.

[ripthekik]

:lol Yeah right... :facepalm

As I previously said, Celtics went from the 2nd worst record in the league (29W), to the best record (61W) and the ECF when Bird arrived (all-nba 1st, 4th in mvp voting, roy), with basically the same cast. Following year, Cowens was gone and Parish was in, they were champions with Bird leading the way, heavily outplaying MVP Dr J in the "real" Finals, the ECF, and you can talk about his finals but that was a sophomore as a best player leading them to the title and the only player in history to average 15+/15+/7+ in a final series.

Tiny was in his 30's in the 80's, after a ruptured left Achilles and a tore right one, still solid enough but a shell of his former self.
DJ was past his peak with the Celtics, still in his prime for some years though, still a pretty good player but let's not act like he was GREAT, and he was falling apart before joining Boston.
Ainge was a good player at his best but that only lasted for like 3 years with the Celtics, and he was never as good as when playing alongside prime Bird.
And I said it before, Parish was already 27 and in his 5th year when he joined the Celtics, and was never considered much with the Warriors, no all-nba teams, no top10 MVP voting, only in the Playoffs as a rookie because of Rick Barry and such.
McHale was drafted by the Celtics in 1981, never expected to "be" that good, only came into his own in 84 or so, amazing peak (one of the best for a PF) but lasted little as he was never the same after the 1987 RS.

Except for McHale (imo), Bird "made" HoF'ers, people look at names and their position and forget that.
Without having played for the Celtics alongside Bird, Parish, Tiny and DJ probably (most, most likely) wouldn't have been HoF'ers, or at least so quick to get in.

Oh and it's funny because you're basically killing your whole point... You say both Magic and Bird played with awesome, multiple HoF kind of guys but guess who both were going up against for best in the league and at the end of it all, most of the time?????? Shit :facepalm

Wade, already established as one of the best SG's ever. Bosh an established (super)star in the league. Deeply stacked roster, especially comparing to the rest of the league... East weak af during Bron's career too. (80s East overall is most likely the GOAT conference, and the 80s the GOAT era)
:applause: :applause:
nailed it.

Lebron's not passing Bird. Anytime soon.

[KevinNYC]

He didnt have to, he had his championship supporting cast already delivered to him on a silverplate from the get go just like Magic...
Neither Parrish or McHale were on the Celtics when Bird started


so good infact he won his 1st championship while playing in the Finals even worse than Lebron did in the 2011 Finals (Bird had back-to-back 8 point games and so on), where Maxwell was the FMVP.

Bird did not play badly in 1981. (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6804624&postcount=138) He shot badly, but he finished averaging 15 pts, 15 rebounds and 7 assists. Something no one in the three decades since has done in the finals. You have discount all the other parts of the game to say he played badly. Bill Fitch was surprised he didn't win it. Yes, he had back to back 8 point games. He also had back to back 20 rebound games and back to back 5 steal games.

[ihoopallday]

Exactly right! And he played with other HOFers like Tiny and DJ. Plus an underrated All-Star guard in Ainge. Bird and Magic both played with awesome, multiple HOF kind of guys. They BOTH played with more talent than Lebron by FAR!!

:eek: :eek: Who's that in your avi??

[zoom17]

:eek: :eek: Who's that in your avi??

I always wondered that too

[Alan Ogg]

Here we go:

LeBron: 21,767
Bird: 21,791

LeBron needs 25 points to make it happen against the Lakers.

[buddha]

:eek: :eek: Who's that in your avi??

http://thebootyking.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/tumblr_m6i0mc3xrd1rnh0heo1_500.jpg

http://mlkshk.com/r/E9W

[Bigsmoke]

Haha that's my dawg!

[#number6ix#]

It's about to go down!!!!

[LAZERUSS]

Lebron's resume, especially if you include what he is doing this season, has already surpassed Bird's. And, he has not only been better in the regular seasons, he has been better in the post-season, as well.

Barring injury, Bird will be a dot in his rear-view mirror by the time he retires.

[Bandito]

Lebron's resume, especially if you include what he is doing this season, has already surpassed Bird's. And, he has not only been better in the regular seasons, he has been better in the post-season, as well.

Barring injury, Bird will be a dot in his rear-view mirror by the time he retires.
The problem with Bird is that his back gave up when he was on his prime so most of his accolades he got in the beginning of his career. IMHO it's at least a toss up between the two.

I will choose Bird over Lebron just because of how clutch he was but is not like Lebron is a scrub or anything.

[Tmuston Beltics]

I thin he'll make that 25 today..

[LAZERUSS]

The problem with Bird is that his back gave up when he was on his prime so most of his accolades he got in the beginning of his career. IMHO it's at least a toss up between the two.

I will choose Bird over Lebron just because of how clutch he was but is not like Lebron is a scrub or anything.

Well, if you use Bird's first nine seasons (thru 87-88), and Lebron's first nine (up thru 11-12...and not last season, nor this one)...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=birdla01&y1=1988&p2=jamesle01&y2=2012

and yes, they are/were pretty close.

But Lebron may have had his best season last year, and is on pace to having perhaps an even better year this season...

[Derka]

With the way he played, Bird was guaranteed to not have a long career, but the dude did *a lot* with what time he had. Doesn't take away from what Lebron's gonna do when he passes him though :applause:

[bizil]

With the way he played, Bird was guaranteed to not have a long career, but the dude did *a lot* with what time he had. Doesn't take away from what Lebron's gonna do when he passes him though :applause:

Peak value wise, it's a toss up. GOAT wise as of TODAY its a tossup. But it's inevitable that Bron is gonna pass Bird GOAT wise CLEARLY!! Hell he's has the resume to arguably be past Bird as it is RIGHT NOW!

I'm reading these posts knocking Bron for joining Wade and Bosh. But yet Bird's career had him playing with more talented casts from top to bottom than Bron. Sure Bird led the Celtics from major struggles early in his career. But for the majority of Bird's career after that, he was playing on squads with awesome talent. More talent than Bron has EVER played with. That CANNOT be debated at all in my book. I don't care about how anybody on this site breaks it down. Bron has Wade and Bosh as HOF level talent. Bird has had Chief, McHale, Parish as HOFers. Plus u had Ainge who was an underrated All Star guard. And also had Tiny and Walton while they were still very valuable players. And hell even Cornbread Maxwell got a Finals MVP with Bird on the squad. THESE ARE FACTS THAT IM POINTING OUT! How can anyone knock Bron when Bird typically played with a more talented supporting cast? I feel neither should be knocked. The name of the game is compiling the best team to win a ring. Be it through trades or free agency. People act like the Heat from top to bottom have teams like Showtime Lakers, Bird's Celtics, Doc's Sixers, the 70's Knicks, etc.

[bizil]

:applause: :applause:
nailed it.

Lebron's not passing Bird. Anytime soon.

Ridiculous ass statement!! Peak value wise, if u prefer Bird then fine. But GOAT wise, Bron ARGUABLY has passed Bird already. But it will be for sure as soon as this season is over. It's only a matter of time before King James knocks the might Larry Legend of the SF throne. And that's an EPIC ACCOMPLISHMENT!!

[Bless Mathews]

I'm old enough to have seen birds whole career.

Him mchale and parish were the original big three.

Bird was the dirtiest player in the league. Aks magic. He had one of the highest basketball iq of all time. One of the most clutch. Me playing third string for showtime (check the avatar) bird would piss me off on the regular with his clutchness. Bird definitely more clutch than bron bron.

Back then nba much more physical, which bird used to his advantage to make up for his 4" vertical and lack of quickness. In today's nba, with all the tick tack calls and rules , bird would not dominate as he did. Brons athleticism and talent would be greater than birds smarts and "craftiness" overall.

In today's nba I'd take bron in a second. If it was birds era, I'd still take bron. But I'd have to think about it

[bizil]

:lol Yeah right... :facepalm

As I previously said, Celtics went from the 2nd worst record in the league (29W), to the best record (61W) and the ECF when Bird arrived (all-nba 1st, 4th in mvp voting, roy), with basically the same cast. Following year, Cowens was gone and Parish was in, they were champions with Bird leading the way, heavily outplaying MVP Dr J in the "real" Finals, the ECF, and you can talk about his finals but that was a sophomore as a best player leading them to the title and the only player in history to average 15+/15+/7+ in a final series.

Tiny was in his 30's in the 80's, after a ruptured left Achilles and a tore right one, still solid enough but a shell of his former self.
DJ was past his peak with the Celtics, still in his prime for some years though, still a pretty good player but let's not act like he was GREAT, and he was falling apart before joining Boston.
Ainge was a good player at his best but that only lasted for like 3 years with the Celtics, and he was never as good as when playing alongside prime Bird.
And I said it before, Parish was already 27 and in his 5th year when he joined the Celtics, and was never considered much with the Warriors, no all-nba teams, no top10 MVP voting, only in the Playoffs as a rookie because of Rick Barry and such.
McHale was drafted by the Celtics in 1981, never expected to "be" that good, only came into his own in 84 or so, amazing peak (one of the best for a PF) but lasted little as he was never the same after the 1987 RS.

Except for McHale (imo), Bird "made" HoF'ers, people look at names and their position and forget that.
Without having played for the Celtics alongside Bird, Parish, Tiny and DJ probably (most, most likely) wouldn't have been HoF'ers, or at least so quick to get in.

Oh and it's funny because you're basically killing your whole point... You say both Magic and Bird played with awesome, multiple HoF kind of guys but guess who both were going up against for best in the league and at the end of it all, most of the time?????? Shit :facepalm

Wade, already established as one of the best SG's ever. Bosh an established (super)star in the league. Deeply stacked roster, especially comparing to the rest of the league... East weak af during Bron's career too. (80s East overall is most likely the GOAT conference, and the 80s the GOAT era)

With all the great points u bring up , the bottom line is Bird and Magic played with more talented casts in their title runs than Bron did. How can u debate that?

[Alan Ogg]

Gary Payton 21,813
Larry Bird 21,791
LeBron James 21,786

Today could be the day... LeBron passes Gary Payton! Okay, so just 6 points to go to pass Bird, 28 to pass the Glove.

[Leftimage]

Gary Payton 21,813
Larry Bird 21,791
LeBron James 21,786

Today could be the day... LeBron passes Gary Payton! Okay, so just 6 points to go to pass Bird, 28 to pass the Glove.

And he has yet to show a decline :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

witness royalty

[bizil]

It seems like for some on this site it's a bitter pill to swallow that Bron is on the cusp (if not already frankly) of being the GOAT SF at 28 years of age. To think the kid has just about passed LB by points wise and STILL has 12 years of age to go until 40 years of age is staggering.

People go on these commentaries about Bird's supporting cast and how this guy wouldn't have been as good without Bird. Or how DJ and Tiny were hobbled an not at their peak. Or how McHale's body began breaking down so due to his foot. But the BOTTOM LINE is Bird had a more superior supporting cast in his title run than Bron currently does now. This can't be debated at all. D-Wade is an immortal and of course untouchable. But Bosh over Mchale? Give me Mchale. I would take the Chief or Bill Walton over any pure center the heat has ever had. Give me DJ or Tiny over Chalmers or Cole. I could go deeper into this, but it's clear Bron never had the cast that Bird had during his title run. With that said, if someone prefers Bird peak value wise over Bron, I wouldn't argue one bit. But due to defensive impact, I would take Bron over Bird.

[Tmuston Beltics]

Gary Payton 21,813
Larry Bird 21,791
LeBron James 21,786

Today could be the day... LeBron passes Gary Payton! Okay, so just 6 points to go to pass Bird, 28 to pass the Glove.


:bowdown: :bowdown: So close

[greymatter]

He didnt have to, he had his championship supporting cast already delivered to him on a silverplate from the get go just like Magic....

Too many idiots trot this out when it simply isn't true. McHale and Parish weren't on the Celts until Bird's SOPHOMORE year.

In other words, the Celts going from 29W to 61W his rookie year was almost exclusively because of his addition.

[bizil]

Too many idiots trot this out when it simply isn't true. McHale and Parish weren't on the Celts until Bird's SOPHOMORE year.

In other words, the Celts going from 29W to 61W his rookie year was almost exclusively because of his addition.

No doubt Bird did major stuff coming in. He turned shit into sugar no doubt. But still the bottom line is Bird's supporting guys was better than Bron's supporting cast as a whole. And keep in mind, Bron played several years until he teamed up with Wade and Bosh. At least Bird got McHale and Chief in his 2nd year as opposed to his sixth or seventh.

[zoom17]

Too many idiots trot this out when it simply isn't true. McHale and Parish weren't on the Celts until Bird's SOPHOMORE year.

In other words, the Celts going from 29W to 61W his rookie year was almost exclusively because of his addition.

Wow one year without McHale and parish Lebron played seven years before his current squad.

[Alan Ogg]

LeBron has passed Larry Bird on the all time scoring list. (30th all time in the NBA)

[Lebron23]

Congrats to the GOAT Small Forward. And soon to be the undisputed GOAT Small Forward of all time after this season.

[SewerUrchin]

Either Lebron is trying to stat pad vs the Kings, or pick up the slack from Wade being out, or he's gunning for the Glove tonight.

[LilEddyCurry]

Either Lebron is trying to stat pad vs the Kings, or pick up the slack from Wade being out, or he's gunning for the Glove tonight.
Playing hard = stat padding? :wtf:

[Alan Ogg]

Anyway, Lebron is about 30-40 games away from passing Bird in all time assists.

[Alan Ogg]

Lebron passes Gary Payton on the all time scoring list. Clyde "the Glide" Drexler up next in about 9 games or so.

[Lebron23]

Lebron's resume, especially if you include what he is doing this season, has already surpassed Bird's. And, he has not only been better in the regular seasons, he has been better in the post-season, as well.

Barring injury, Bird will be a dot in his rear-view mirror by the time he retires.

true. Lebron is a once in a decade player. Just look at his accomplishments. 4x NBA MVP, 2x Finals MVP, and back to back NBA champion.

[ripthekik]

Damn, seems like no one really cares about his accomplishments. When Kobe scored his 30,000 points, even the opposing crowd cheered for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuXmM337xqE

Guess Lebron's just not on that level. Nobody respects him.

[Lebron23]

Damn, seems like no one really cares about his accomplishments. When Kobe scored his 30,000 points, even the opposing crowd cheered for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuXmM337xqE

Guess Lebron's just not on that level. Nobody respects him.


GTFO of this thread.

[ripthekik]

GTFO of this thread.
Very few can reach that level, where you get cheered for a career accomplishment at an opponent's court. Lebron isn't one of them.

[nycjeff45]

Damn, seems like no one really cares about his accomplishments. When Kobe scored his 30,000 points, even the opposing crowd cheered for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuXmM337xqE

Guess Lebron's just not on that level. Nobody respects him.
you have too much hate in you , 30,000 pts and moving into the 29th spot doesnt have the same kind of feel..pretty sure if he does get to 30,000 there will be cheers ...

[ILLsmak]

LeBron just isn't better than Bird. When judging great players, you judge them by how well they can play at the highest level, against the greatest comp. LeBron is really good, but he's not on that level. If you have two hall of fame equal teams, hypothetically, and put Bird on one side and LeBron on the other, I'm confident Bird's team wins nearly EVERYTIME.

-Smak

[ripthekik]

LeBron just isn't better than Bird. When judging great players, you judge them by how well they can play at the highest level, against the greatest comp. LeBron is really good, but he's not on that level. If you have two hall of fame equal teams, hypothetically, and put Bird on one side and LeBron on the other, I'm confident Bird's team wins nearly EVERYTIME.

-Smak
:applause:

[KingBeasley08]

LeBron >>> Bird

[Kingwillball]

Lebron will easily surpass bird in career achievements and go down as the better player all time.

[plowking]

Damn, seems like no one really cares about his accomplishments. When Kobe scored his 30,000 points, even the opposing crowd cheered for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuXmM337xqE

Guess Lebron's just not on that level. Nobody respects him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StEFnh18zRk

Sounds like Lebron got more cheers, for a far more mundane accomplishment, if its even considered that.

[Odinn]

true. Lebron is a once in a decade player. Just look at his accomplishments. 4x NBA MVP, 2x Finals MVP, and back to back NBA champion.
Here is the jlauber way for you;
- Larry Bird wasn't the best of the '80s, because Magic was.
- Thanks to Magic, KAJ won that many titles.
- And so KAJ can not be ranked over Wilt coz of Magic.

Also he will claim KAJ was at his best in the early '70s.


And you agree with him. Which is kinda ironic. Your agenda isn't that much from his.

[kNicKz]

LeBron >>> Bird

:facepalm

[Illuminati]

Damn, seems like no one really cares about his accomplishments. When Kobe scored his 30,000 points, even the opposing crowd cheered for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuXmM337xqE

Guess Lebron's just not on that level. Nobody respects him.

http://youtu.be/scwSXWjZhQE

Now shut your dumbass up. Matter of fact, LeBron's cheer was louder.:oldlol:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Here is the jlauber way for you;
- Larry Bird wasn't the best of the '80s, because Magic was.
- Thanks to Magic, KAJ won that many titles.
- And so KAJ can not be ranked over Wilt coz of Magic.

Also he will claim KAJ was at his best in the early '70s.


And you agree with him. Which is kinda ironic. Your agenda isn't that much from his.

Indeed.

Biggest Kareem, Bird and Russell hater... Or Willt plus Magic dickrider.

Anything that floats his boat though.

*waits for a big-ass post about some random Wilt's numbers or something*

[Alan Ogg]

LeBron 22,155
Drexler 22,195

LeBron looking to pass the Glide in the next couple games.

[IncarceratedBob]

LeBron will never be the player that Larry Legend was. No shame in that though.

[Stringer Bell]

With all the great points u bring up , the bottom line is Bird and Magic played with more talented casts in their title runs than Bron did. How can u debate that?

Bird & Magic definitely had more talent around them than Lebron did.

But the top teams in general were more stacked back then than teams today.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Bird & Magic definitely had more talent around them than Lebron did.

But the top teams in general were more stacked back then than teams today.

True that, some people never get that through their heads though.

Fact that they mention Bird and Magic had more help without even realizing or crossing their mind that they went up against each other is :facepalm worthy.

[Alan Ogg]

Career Assists

36. Larry Bird* 5695
37. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 5660
38. Chauncey Billups 5636
39. Michael Jordan* 5633
40. Allen Iverson 5624
41. LeBron James 5618

LeBron is about to pass some great players in all time assists in the coming weeks.

[Alan Ogg]

Career Assists

36. Larry Bird* 5695
37. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 5660
38. Chauncey Billups 5636
39. Michael Jordan* 5633
40. Allen Iverson 5624
41. LeBron James 5618

LeBron is about to pass some great players in all time assists in the coming weeks.

LeBron James now with 5655 career assists. He will pass Kareem next game and Larry in the coming weeks.

[Alan Ogg]

Career Assists

36. Larry Bird* 5695
37. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 5660
38. Chauncey Billups 5636
39. Michael Jordan* 5633
40. Allen Iverson 5624
41. LeBron James 5618

LeBron is about to pass some great players in all time assists in the coming weeks.

LeBron passes Kareem with 5661, Bird's up next!

[AlphaWolf24]

pauk - Ah... the good ol clowning/trolling/acting days.. i did admit alot of times that i have done alot of this in the past unfortunately (even had my 1st account banned because of this, "evilmonkey"), but i am and was always really a completely different poster, especially now as alot else of the views have changed... all of it back then was just an act, just me retaliating / going with the flow in a kobetard/lebronhatred/troll infested forum, i felt also admins didnt do their job and they still kindof dont do and it still is as you can see infested with trolls, i felt it was appropriate to take it upon my own hands and treat trolls with their own medicine.... and i did explain this to the admins a couple of times...

But i stopped caring about that long time ago...... and even though it would have probably been a good idea to start fresh with a new account i still dont/didnt feel the need to do that, as im sure you can see the difference anyways.....

Pauk my dude....why you throwin Wade and the Mods under the bus?? :lol



PS: How do you say Meltdown in Croatian?

[Andrei89]

he even made his teammate better, just like jordan made pippen :applause:
what you would expect from GOAT

Weak trolling attempts.

Robert Parish and arguably the best post player of all time Kevin McHale?

Are you trolls serious?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[DJ Leon Smith]

Bird & Magic definitely had more talent around them than Lebron did.

But the top teams in general were more stacked back then than teams today.

Exactly. Look at the teams Bird and Magic's squads had to beat.

[Pushxx]

An often overlooked factor between Bird and LeBron is the competition in the playoffs.

LeBron's hardest opponents in his two championship years are the old and very injured Celtics and the old and very injured Spurs.

Not even remotely close to what Bird had to contend with.

[Keno]

awesome. he's going to pass bird in assists in ~70 less games. remarkable.

[Alan Ogg]

Career Assists

36. Larry Bird* 5695
37. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 5660
38. Chauncey Billups 5636
39. Michael Jordan* 5633
40. Allen Iverson 5624
41. LeBron James 5618

LeBron is about to pass some great players in all time assists in the coming weeks.

LeBron has passed Bird. Now with 5706. Did it in 70 fewer games.

[navy]

LeBron has passed Bird. Now with 5706. Did it in 70 fewer games.
Lebron James. :pimp:

[Keno]

LeBron has passed Bird. Now with 5706. Did it in 70 fewer games.

greatest sf of all time.

[Alan Ogg]

Career Playoff Points
1. Michael Jordan* 5987
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 5762
3. Kobe Bryant 5640
4. Shaquille O'Neal 5250
5. Karl Malone* 4761
6. Tim Duncan 4614
7. Jerry West* 4457
8. LeBron James 3898
9. Larry Bird* 3897

LeBron passes Bird for all-time career playoff points.