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TheReal Kendall
12-16-2013, 07:59 PM
Are there any?

I drink and I feel like there aren't any benefits.

Just wondering. Seen the war on cigarettes thread and it had me curious.

I see no benefits to smoking cigarettes either

ace23
12-16-2013, 08:00 PM
Social lubrication

TylerOO
12-16-2013, 08:01 PM
When I'm drunk I gives no ****s whatsoever. That's both good and bad.

Dresta
12-16-2013, 08:03 PM
I was thinking this this morning when i woke up with the hell of all hangovers and still don't feel right. Can be so unpleasant. But obviously alcohol intoxication has a lot of enjoyable effects, that's pretty obvious.

TheReal Kendall
12-16-2013, 08:38 PM
Ha! Geez I went neg pretty quick.

Oh well :confusedshrug:

hateraid
12-16-2013, 08:47 PM
Hops can be a good muscle relaxant. Beer can be very comforting if not consumed in excess

tmacattack33
12-16-2013, 09:02 PM
Obviously there are no health benefits (besides some studies of a glass of wine every few nights or whatever it was), but it's fun.

There are no benefits of eating a bacon cheeseburger from Wendy's with fries on the side either, but that sh*t tastes good.

TheReal Kendall
12-16-2013, 09:11 PM
Yeah but most alcohol don't taste good.

Side note: You tried that new bacon mushroom cheddar burger at Wendy's? Tastes awesome!

branslowski
12-16-2013, 09:22 PM
When I'm drunk I gives no ****s whatsoever. That's both good and bad.

This. I'm already an asshole to ppl, but when I'm drunk, I'm the loudest asshole around. And when it comes to woman, I'm pretty much extra flirty and straight to the point. But most importantly, Alcohol (preferably Vodka) is really good.

Negatives: sometimes I over drink, and throw my guts the fuq up to the point where I'm huggin the toilet seat just wishing to god to make it stop.:oldlol: I also smoke through all of my Black & Milds, have to buy a whole nother pack, and then smoke through them again, the next morning I'll only have a half smoked Black left.:lol

imnew09
12-16-2013, 09:40 PM
Alcohol kills.


On the bright side, it increases our chance of fking 'em hoes! I'm extremely confident when i'm buzzing it

KingBeasley08
12-16-2013, 09:41 PM
When I'm drunk I gives no ****s whatsoever. That's both good and bad.
Pretty much this. If you're drunk, you can do and say whatever the fvck you want and if shit becomes bad, just blame it on the alcohol :lol

highwhey
12-16-2013, 09:49 PM
In my case alcohol always has negative effects. 99% of the problems or situations I get myself into always involve having been drinking. I'm not even exaggerating ether...I do so much stupid sh1t everytime I drink :facepalm

Jailblazers7
12-16-2013, 10:00 PM
Meh, once you learn to drink responsibly then alcohol is way better. Fewer drinks so you can afford to splurge on the good stuff and you avoid the shame of misbehavior and a bad hangover.

rezznor
12-16-2013, 10:06 PM
helps ugly girls get laid

JEFFERSON MONEY
12-17-2013, 03:46 AM
to be honest all humans need to stop ebing so damn uptight and fake

and this aids enormously

East_Stone_Ya
12-17-2013, 04:14 AM
Benefits
easier to socialize(specially with women)
more fun
stronger feelings
forgetting personal problems for a while

Balla_Status
12-17-2013, 04:23 AM
Hops can be a good muscle relaxant. Beer can be very comforting if not consumed in excess

:lol

hateraid
12-17-2013, 12:46 PM
:lol

http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/12-23-2004-63330.asp


Studies have revealed that beer can produce the same benefits as drinking wine. Whether you prefer ales, lagers, stout, bitter or wheat beers, studies show that one drink a day for women or up to two drinks a day for men will reduce your chances of strokes, heart and vascular disease. It's no secret that the stroke is the 3rd leading cause of death in the U.S. and the leading cause of serious, long-term disabilities.

What's interesting is that it was proven that those who drank one beer a week compared to those who drank one beer a day experienced no variance in reducing stroke risks. It is said that light to moderate drinkers will decrease their chances of suffering a stroke by 20%. A researcher at the Texas Southwestern Medical Center reported that those who consume moderate amounts of beer (one to two a day at the most) have a 30-40% lower rate of coronary heart disease compared to those who don't drink. Beer contains a similar amount of 'polyphenols' (antioxidants) as red wine and 4-5 times as many polyphenols as white wine. At times pregnant women were also allowed to have beer during their pregnancy to facilitate the baby and help him slide out easily from the mother's womb.

Alcohol has also been attributed of its ability to increase the amount of good cholesterol (HDL) into the bloodstream as well as help to decrease blood clots. As a conditioner too, beer has excellent results on adding up to the shine of your hair. As it contains vitamin B6, which prevents the build-up of amino acid called homocysteine that has been linked to heart disease, you're sure to have a healthy hear too.

Some interesting facts for you to ponder upon.

* Beer is nutritious if consumed in moderation
* That beer is fat-free and cholesterol free?
* Beer has a relaxing effect on the body thereby reducing stress.
* It can help you sleep better
* It helps prevent heart disease and improves the blood circulation
* It has proven to have positive effects on elderly people. It helps to promote blood vessel dilation, sleep, and urination.

On an average beer contains the following:
0mg of cholesterol
0g of fat
13g of carbohydrate
25mg of sodium protein, calcium, potassium, phosphorus and vitamins B, B2, and B6

tomtucker
12-17-2013, 01:38 PM
i like the taste of beer.....but the shit gives me nightmares, allways sleep terrible after only a beer or 2........strange :confusedshrug:

Levity
12-17-2013, 01:39 PM
it gives white guys the confidence to dance.

enayes
12-17-2013, 02:37 PM
Liquor makes long walks outside in the winter with your dog more enjoyable.

Balla_Status
12-17-2013, 05:26 PM
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/12-23-2004-63330.asp

I'm :lol in reference to your story awhile back about being too hammered.

pinhead
12-17-2013, 05:57 PM
Don't you have to be about 30 to drink alcohol in America? p.ussies

highwhey
12-17-2013, 06:41 PM
Don't you have to be about 30 to drink alcohol in America? p.ussies
http://www.mbteach.org/news/imagesgraphics/portfolio/images/1812.jpg
U mad bro?

Dresta
12-17-2013, 07:13 PM
Not hard to win a war against someone back then when you're separated by the Atlantic ocean and heavily supported by the French tbh.

O_City_Thunder
12-17-2013, 07:16 PM
Drinking liquor helps me **** longer. WAY longer!


.....and I become a porn star in my head. I love it man.....it's so much fun.

GOBB
12-17-2013, 07:21 PM
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/12-23-2004-63330.asp

Wine gives me wicked hangovers. Maybe because I dont drink it enough. But damn had some last weekend, woke up and it felt like Maidana was punching me in the head.

CelticBaller
12-17-2013, 07:23 PM
Drinking liquor helps me **** longer. WAY longer!


.....and I become a porn star in my head. I love it man.....it's so much fun.
thats what im trying to tell these girls smh

hateraid
12-17-2013, 08:12 PM
Wine gives me wicked hangovers. Maybe because I dont drink it enough. But damn had some last weekend, woke up and it felt like Maidana was punching me in the head.

:lol
Bro wine is deceivingly high in alcohol. It's generally about 17%-20%. 3 glasses can be the equivalent of 6 shooters. How much did you drink exactly?

senelcoolidge
12-18-2013, 06:39 AM
alcohol/beer has no benefits. just a plain fact, but people like it because it numbs the mind. for some reason people don't like having full control of their faculties. I don't understand it.

Trentknicks
12-18-2013, 06:55 AM
I always feel surprisingly reflective and can just sit their and think for hours, in amongst the other occasions when im social as hell. I only drink once every 2-3 weeks and personally enjoy that over drinking daily/several times weekly.

LJJ
12-18-2013, 07:27 AM
:lol
Bro wine is deceivingly high in alcohol. It's generally about 17%-20%. 3 glasses can be the equivalent of 6 shooters. How much did you drink exactly?


17%-20% is normal for a fortified wine like Port of Sherry. Regular wines are usually around 10%-14%.

LBJMVP
12-18-2013, 10:50 AM
I like to drink till I'm almost to the point of blacking out... Like a brown out. In at my peak game and humor at the point and not drunk to do anything to stupid. This past semester I went pretty crazy with alcohol though. To the point where I can black out and people can't tell im that drunk.

Dresta
12-18-2013, 10:59 AM
alcohol/beer has no benefits. just a plain fact, but people like it because it numbs the mind. for some reason people don't like having full control of their faculties. I don't understand it.
It doesn't simply 'numb the mind'; It can also enhance the moment.

Drinking insensibly to the point of black-out is idiotic, but a few drinks and some conversation with interesting friends is an invaluable experience.

Jailblazers7
12-18-2013, 11:04 AM
It doesn't simply 'numb the mind'; It can also enhance the moment.

Drinking insensibly to the point of black-out is idiotic, but a few drinks and some conversation with interesting friends is an invaluable experience.

Yeah, alcohol becomes a healthy part of a lot of peoples' social lives once everyone exits the "drink til I blackout" college phase. As long as it isn't abuse, I think drinking is very beneficial mentally (stress reduction, personal enjoyment, etc).

GOBB
12-18-2013, 11:46 AM
:lol
Bro wine is deceivingly high in alcohol. It's generally about 17%-20%. 3 glasses can be the equivalent of 6 shooters. How much did you drink exactly?

3-4 glasses.

GOBB
12-18-2013, 11:47 AM
Yeah, alcohol becomes a healthy part of a lot of peoples' social lives once everyone exits the "drink til I blackout" college phase. As long as it isn't abuse, I think drinking is very beneficial mentally (stress reduction, personal enjoyment, etc).

Safe to say you drank a lot during FF season :roll:

-p.tiddy-
12-18-2013, 12:16 PM
Yeah, alcohol becomes a healthy part of a lot of peoples' social lives once everyone exits the "drink til I blackout" college phase. As long as it isn't abuse, I think drinking is very beneficial mentally (stress reduction, personal enjoyment, etc).
It's not really healthy though overall socially. For the stress and anxiety reduction it gives you in the moment it takes away from you later. It reduces serotonin levels and basically make you more antisocial overall when you aren't drinking. It also instills in your mind that you need a few drinks just to be able to loosen up and relax, which anyone can do sober. Even at a "few drinks" it becomes a social crutch.

Overall a few drinks every once and a while isn't that bad for you, but it isn't really "healthy" either. A single glass of red wine might be healthy, or maybe one beer for runners (think I read that somewhere lol) but that's about it.

bluechox2
12-18-2013, 12:24 PM
get a bitch laid

LJJ
12-18-2013, 12:36 PM
Yeah, alcohol becomes a healthy part of a lot of peoples' social lives once everyone exits the "drink til I blackout" college phase. As long as it isn't abuse, I think drinking is very beneficial mentally (stress reduction, personal enjoyment, etc).

Yeah I completely agree. Once people reach a certain maturity level only people with underlying mental issues abuse it and aren't able to handle it responsibly. In a lot of European countries it's entirely normal to drink a very moderate amount of alcohol everyday and the people who do use it in moderation are only healthier for it, both physically and mentally.

Lebowsky
12-18-2013, 01:20 PM
:lol
Bro wine is deceivingly high in alcohol. It's generally about 17%-20%. 3 glasses can be the equivalent of 6 shooters. How much did you drink exactly?
No, it's not. It's usually around 12-14%, and 14% is already a strong ass wine.

Lebowsky
12-18-2013, 01:20 PM
17%-20% is normal for a fortified wine like Port of Sherry. Regular wines are usually around 10%-14%.
This.

Dresta
12-18-2013, 01:22 PM
Yeah I completely agree. Once people reach a certain maturity level only people with underlying mental issues abuse it and aren't able to handle it responsibly. In a lot of European countries it's entirely normal to drink a very moderate amount of alcohol everyday and the people who do use it in moderation are only healthier for it, both physically and mentally.
It is exactly this. People have too simplistic an understanding of addiction nowadays; any kind of self-destructive addiction is fueled by psychological problems that precede the addiction. This is why you get people who drink every day and yet it has little effect on the everyday circumstances of their lives other than making it more enjoyable (often crudely termed 'functioning alcoholics'). It is why sobriety frequently doesn't solve any of their problems and the tendency for relapse is so high: without addressing the fundamental issues underlying the addiction, the person will not fix their lives simply by abstaining.

You see this at NA meetings, where all the people i have heard have some miserable story from their lives that predates their addictions. Take the example of Scott Fitzgerald, a man who drank himself to death, and who many view as having his life destroyed by alcohol; yet you only need to read his novels, and see the empty despair that permeates them, to realise that there was something else the matter with him other than simply having an alcohol problem.

hateraid
12-18-2013, 01:48 PM
alcohol/beer has no benefits. just a plain fact, but people like it because it numbs the mind. for some reason people don't like having full control of their faculties. I don't understand it.

You speaking on facts or actual science? You seem to speak your opinion and pawn them off as facts

hateraid
12-18-2013, 01:49 PM
3-4 glasses.

Damn, how big were those glasses? My wife can pound a bottle with little effect the next day :lol

-p.tiddy-
12-18-2013, 02:16 PM
It is exactly this. People have too simplistic an understanding of addiction nowadays; any kind of self-destructive addiction is fueled by psychological problems that precede the addiction. This is why you get people who drink every day and yet it has little effect on the everyday circumstances of their lives other than making it more enjoyable (often crudely termed 'functioning alcoholics'). It is why sobriety frequently doesn't solve any of their problems and the tendency for relapse is so high: without addressing the fundamental issues underlying the addiction, the person will not fix their lives simply by abstaining.

You see this at NA meetings, where all the people i have heard have some miserable story from their lives that predates their addictions. Take the example of Scott Fitzgerald, a man who drank himself to death, and who many view as having his life destroyed by alcohol; yet you only need to read his novels, and see the empty despair that permeates them, to realise that there was something else the matter with him other than simply having an alcohol problem.
Psychological problems can fuel alcoholism but the majority of alcoholics were just born that way, it runs in families, it's in their DNA

NA is different though, the majority of drug addicts maybe were molested or something as a child...idk

-p.tiddy-
12-18-2013, 02:20 PM
Damn, how big were those glasses? My wife can pound a bottle with little effect the next day :lol
Hangover effects can vary greatly from person to person, there is a country in Asia, I forget which country, were the majority of the people suffer such horrid hangover effects that the level of alcoholism there is extremely low compared to other countries... They suffer severe facial flushing among other things when they drink

ace23
12-18-2013, 02:23 PM
3-4 glasses.
:oldlol:

highwhey
12-18-2013, 02:45 PM
Damn, how big were those glasses? My wife can pound a bottle with little effect the next day :lol
I can drink a whole 750ml bottle of wine without getting super hammered. Beer and low alcohol beers dont do much for me anymore lol, I have to drink hard liquor to get drunk.

Most everyone I know that is older (late 20s or past their college days) are normal social drinkers, they drink a couple drinks and call it a night. Idk how they got past that getting smashed almost every night phase. It seems like everywhere I go there's alcohol and it's a primer to get the night going.

niko
12-18-2013, 02:52 PM
Psychological problems can fuel alcoholism but the majority of alcoholics were just born that way, it runs in families, it's in their DNA

NA is different though, the majority of drug addicts maybe were molested or something as a child...idk
I agree, I drank like a mofo when young, we all did. My wife too. But when we wanted to stop, we just stopped. Most of us did at some point, then there are those who just can't.

Dresta
12-18-2013, 03:07 PM
Psychological problems can fuel alcoholism but the majority of alcoholics were just born that way, it runs in families, it's in their DNA

NA is different though, the majority of drug addicts maybe were molested or something as a child...idk
Rubbish. What makes an alcoholic so special that they function completely differently to any other addict?

You may have a genetic predisposition to the mental state that can lead to addiction, but no more than that. People aren't born alcoholics; what an absurd thing to say. To espouse that there is some kind of alcoholic gene is to spout pseudo-scientific sophistry. In general, addicts who never recover uniformly have had no stable relationships throughout their early life. People with predispositions are by no means condemned to alcoholism, and nor is their predisposition specifically geared towards alcohol (why would it be?).

LJJ
12-18-2013, 03:14 PM
Rubbish. What makes an alcoholic so special that they function completely differently to any other addict?

You may have a genetic predisposition to the mental state that can lead to addiction, but no more than that. People aren't born alcoholics; what an absurd thing to say. To espouse that there is some kind of alcoholic gene is to spout pseudo-scientific sophistry. In general, addicts who never recover uniformly have had no stable relationships throughout their early life. People with predispositions are by no means condemned to alcoholism, and nor is their predisposition specifically geared towards alcohol (why would it be?).

It's deflection and not taking responsibility. I know some alcoholics need to believe it's a sickness so they can live with themselves without the guilt that comes with taking responsibility.

It's the right way to deal with it for some people, rehabilitation is more important than honesty.

Dresta
12-18-2013, 03:29 PM
It's deflection and not taking responsibility. I know some alcoholics need to believe it's a sickness so they can live with themselves without the guilt that comes with taking responsibility.

It's the right way to deal with it for some people, rehabilitation is more important than honesty.
http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100830010455/southpark/images/2/2a/Screen_shot_2010-08-29_at_9.03.05_PM.png
Daddy's very sick. :lol

The fact is that even if it were entirely genetic then it would still be their fault as much as anything is anyone's fault. In fact, it'd be worse, because it'd be who they are, rather than something they have allowed to take them over because their lives have been unhappy or blighted. Some people are predisposed to be psychopathic killers too, doesn't mean we don't hold it against them: it is who they are, on the most elemental level; it wasn't their choice, but if they didn't have it they'd be a completely different person.

CeltsGarlic
12-18-2013, 03:33 PM
What are the benefits of NOT drinking alcohol? Seriously.

Drugs, alco, cigs. Everything when used in moderation are good.

-p.tiddy-
12-18-2013, 03:36 PM
It's been proven that alcoholism runs in genes, it's any easy thing to be ignorant about because the idea that someone has trouble only having a couple drinks sounds crazy, but it's very true.

There have been some fascinating studies on it too... There is a brain chemical that alcoholics have more of than others, when injected in lab rats the rats will drink Thales to death when their water is replaced with vodka...

Would post links but on my phone...

-p.tiddy-
12-18-2013, 03:38 PM
You're right though Dresda that it is STILL the drinkers fault for drinking obviously... Shouldn't be used as an excuse to get drunk...

-p.tiddy-
12-18-2013, 03:39 PM
What are the benefits of NOT drinking alcohol? Seriously.

Drugs, alco, cigs. Everything when used in moderation are good.
How are cigs 'good' in moderation?

Benefits of not drinking include not dying of liver failure, not looking like an ass at 3 am, not being annoying as fck to sober people, not killing others on the road, etc

LJJ
12-18-2013, 03:51 PM
people who are shitty when drunk are probably shitty sober too

Can't stretch enough how true this is also.

Dresta
12-18-2013, 03:53 PM
It's been proven that alcoholism runs in genes, it's any easy thing to be ignorant about because the idea that someone has trouble only having a couple drinks sounds crazy, but it's very true.

There have been some fascinating studies on it too... There is a brain chemical that alcoholics have more of than others, when injected in lab rats the rats will drink Thales to death when their water is replaced with vodka...

Would post links but on my phone...
Rats aren't people: they aren't capable of ratiocination. What you are saying does not disprove what i am saying in the slightest, and those studies prove very little.

It's easy to be ignorant of real life and cling desperately to rat studies too. If what you say were true then twin studies would show genetically identical twins to be exactly the same when it comes to alcoholism, which is clearly not the case. Twin studies clearly show genetics to be a factor because fraternal twins differ more in their drinking habits than identical twins. This shows the likelihood of a genetic predisposition or vulnerability, but no more than that.

Here: http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/alerts/l/blnaa18.htm (conclusions based on a number of studies, not just one conducted on rats smh)

'Progress has been made in understanding genetic vulnerability to alcoholism. We know, for instance, that more than one gene is likely to be responsible for this vulnerability. We now must determine what these genes are and whether they are specific for alcohol or define something more general, such as differences in temperament or personality that increase an individual's vulnerability to alcoholism. We must also determine how genes and the environment interact to influence vulnerability to alcoholism. Based on our current understanding, it is probable that environmental influences will be at least as important, and possibly more important, than genetic influences.'

Your view is both simplistic and incorrect.

Dresta
12-18-2013, 03:57 PM
How are cigs 'good' in moderation?

Benefits of not drinking include not dying of liver failure, not looking like an ass at 3 am, not being annoying as fck to sober people, not killing others on the road, etc
You can drink quite heavily and not do any of those things.

Cigs cause no tangible damage in moderation. You've gotta have a 20-year habit at least before the chickens come home to roost. Obviously many people who don't smoke like cigs because otherwise they wouldn't go around smoking areas begging people for ****.

-p.tiddy-
12-18-2013, 04:01 PM
I know it's not simple, it's not even completely understood yet, I was never trying to make it into a simple thing

IMO seems like you're the one trying to simplify it into something that is just ones choice without any genetic factors


"Ah rubbish, its just an excuse..."...okay doc

-p.tiddy-
12-18-2013, 04:02 PM
You can drink quite heavily and not do any of those things.

Cigs cause no tangible damage in moderation. You've gotta have a 20-year habit at least before the chickens come home to roost. Obviously many people who don't smoke like cigs because otherwise they wouldn't go around smoking areas begging people for ****.
I was asking how they are 'good'

I am not aware of any benefits to smoking cigarettes, even in moderation

-p.tiddy-
12-18-2013, 04:03 PM
Also Dresta, many people die of cig smoke that don't even smoke

We've been through this lol


Defending tobacco is just a bad look...

GOBB
12-18-2013, 04:03 PM
Damn, how big were those glasses? My wife can pound a bottle with little effect the next day :lol

They weren't small. I'd probably have to search for a photo. They werent the typical wine glass. Kinda looked like a cup but glass. Hard to explain but I'm sure you've seen them. At least half that cup/glass was full. 3-4 of those. I drank beer prior but beer doesnt bother me at all.

I can tear thru a case of beer like nothing. Drink Jamaican rum like water. No effects next day. Wine? I dont know what it is. I can never drink that without the next day needed aspirin and water. :oldlol: I dont have wine much. Maybe a couple times a year.

DukeDelonte13
12-18-2013, 04:10 PM
Also Dresta, many people die of cig smoke that don't even smoke

We've been through this lol


Defending tobacco is just a bad look...


i don't think there is has ever been a confirmed death attributed to second hand smoke.

-p.tiddy-
12-18-2013, 04:14 PM
i don't think there is has ever been a confirmed death attributed to second hand smoke.
http://www.livescience.com/23562-secondhand-smoke-kills-nonsmokders.html

SixShooter
12-18-2013, 04:21 PM
It's the only way for losers to get laid.

Dresta
12-18-2013, 04:28 PM
I know it's not simple, it's not even completely understood yet, I was never trying to make it into a simple thing

IMO seems like you're the one trying to simplify it into something that is just ones choice without any genetic factors


"Ah rubbish, its just an excuse..."...okay doc
Have you actually read anything i've written? I never said that. I did say that what you said was rubbish, because it was. I said the excuse is not even an excuse. And i also said that my definition provides a better excuse for addicts than yours does. So saying i said 'ah rubbish, its just an excuse...' is to completely misconstrued my argument, which is also what you do with all these studies you apparently read. It is painful to discuss something with someone who only builds straw men out of everything you write, who simplifies and reduces everything into simplistic bullshit which seems to be all he is capable of understanding. Learn to read ffs.

What you said was this:


Psychological problems can fuel alcoholism but the majority of alcoholics were just born that way, it runs in families, it's in their DNA

NA is different though, the majority of drug addicts maybe were molested or something as a child...idk

i.e. born alcoholics. In other words: complete and unsubstantiated nonsense.

I replied with this:


You may have a genetic predisposition to the mental state that can lead to addiction, but no more than that. People aren't born alcoholics; what an absurd thing to say. To espouse that there is some kind of alcoholic gene is to spout pseudo-scientific sophistry. In general, addicts who never recover uniformly have had no stable relationships throughout their early life. People with predispositions are by no means condemned to alcoholism, and nor is their predisposition specifically geared towards alcohol (why would it be?).

Now go and read bolded parts of a review of a collection of studies i posted, and then shut the hell up.

DukeDelonte13
12-18-2013, 04:40 PM
http://www.livescience.com/23562-secondhand-smoke-kills-nonsmokders.html


The article doesn't even include this new study they talk about, and the study seems inherently flawed. The article says they are measuring cotinine levels and claim that african americans are disproportionately affected by second hand smoke based on their research. The article claims 49k people died, but not solely as a result of second hand smoke.

african americans naturally have higher levels of cotinine in their blood.

from the article:
[QUOTE]The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has estimated that secondhand smoke causes about 49,000 deaths annually. The data supporting this, however, rely primarily on self-reporting to gauge secondhand smoke exposure, which many researchers consider unreliable.

Furthermore, given the poor air quality in most large American cities, calculating the number of deaths among nonsmokers due to secondhand smoke

Dresta
12-18-2013, 04:42 PM
http://www.livescience.com/23562-secondhand-smoke-kills-nonsmokders.html
That isn't a confirmed death, it is a statistical estimate summoned out of thin air. Measurements in the blood show at best that shs may have been a contributing factor, but certainly not a primary cause. It says lung cancer incidence is higher than originally thought when it comes to shs. Which is funny, because this far bigger study found not even a correlation between shs and lung cancer (in fact, none of the raw data is even provided in your bs article):

http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/12/05/jnci.djt365.extract

Can't view the whole thing because you need a subscription, but it is commented in more detail here:

http://velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/new-study-finds-no-link-between.html

Also this study showing 20-year smokers lungs are ok for transplants:

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/lungs-pack-day-smokers-safe-transplant-study-finds-1C8154373?franchiseSlug=healthmain

'In the end, after all other variables were accounted for, people who got lungs from heavy smokers lived as long and as well as those who got lungs from the tobacco-free, Taghavi found. There was no significant difference in cancers, though the study didn’t specifically look at lung cancer.'

So people can smoke a pack a day for 20 years and their lungs be ok, but if someone gets a bit of shs in their system it's an instant health risk? Keep piling up the bullshit. You still haven't PROVEN anything - not even close. Stop with your selective posting of extrapolated statistics.

highwhey
12-18-2013, 04:55 PM
wanna be friends?
:cheers:

Doctor K
12-18-2013, 04:59 PM
:roll:
You guys are a bunch of p*ussies if you drink wine or beer. I mean I drink them as an occasional chaser for a shot, but thats about it.


shots or nothing, everything else is toooo weak for me

Doctor K
12-18-2013, 05:01 PM
:roll:
You guys are a bunch of p*ussies if you drink wine or beer. I mean I drink them as an occasional chaser for a shot, but thats about it.


Shots or nothing, everything else is toooo weak for me

ace23
12-18-2013, 05:03 PM
:roll:
You guys are a bunch of p*ussies if you drink wine or beer. I mean I drink them as an occasional chaser for a shot, but thats about it.


Shots or nothing, everything else is toooo weak for me
this tbh

Balla_Status
12-18-2013, 05:26 PM
:roll:
You guys are a bunch of p*ussies if you drink wine or beer. I mean I drink them as an occasional chaser for a shot, but thats about it.


Shots or nothing, everything else is toooo weak for me

Different situations call for different alcohol bro.

I used to be like that in the states but that was only because the bars closed at 2 AM. Where I currently live, bars close at 6 AM so I'm more likely to pace myself, drink beer or drink mixed drinks (trying to keep it to whiskey/vodka waters or else I get sick from all the fizzy soda.)

And you're gay glove.

NuggetsFan
12-18-2013, 05:30 PM
Probably specific to the person. You can't generalize everybody as the same, everybody is in different situations and are different people. Ridding you of your anxieties, having fun, getting loose etc. are obviously the most likely positives. Negatives are obviously that it changes you. It impairs the mind so it affects your judgement, decision making, emotional state. People who think your sober = you when you drunk obviously haven't had much experience with booze :lol

Moderation is obviously key like pretty much everything. Negatives aren't as strong if your only having a couple of drinks, but I'd argue the positives aren't as well. Once again that's specific to the person. I personally have waaay more fun getting loaded than I do having 3-4 beers and a drink.