Remind me why the Clippers aren't seen as favorites in the West

[Osiris]

Two superstars, a great coach, solid depth, etc etc.


AND WE BEATING THE SPURS RIGHT NOW!!!!:banana: :banana:

[Wavves]

Dem freethrows

[Osiris]

Actually I forgot DJ for DPOY.

[Al Thornton]

Dem freethrows

paul, crawford, and redick all shoot 90% boo boo

[imnew09]

Lakers beat them on the opening day :bowdown:

Oh well my Lakers are champ!

[zoom17]

Rockets beat them too are they favorites to win the west:oldlol:

[gts]

Clippers will be ok.. still seem a bit lost in what they're trying to do and all but there's still a lot of basketball to be played this season

[SpecialQue]

It's because ever since the CP3 trade they barely made it out of the first round once before being swept and lost in the first round this year. Plus Blake seems to be on a plateau ever since his rookie season, and he's supposed to be their second option.

They're beating the Spurs now, but what are you seeing in them that shows that they are on par with or better than the Thunder, the Spurs, or even the Blazers for that matter?

[yobore]

Hope they keep Crawford in the starting lineup. He plays great with Paul but when Paul sits he feels like it's his job to not let anyone else touch the ball including ball-dominant Collison

[avonbarksdale]

2 superstars?

[Al Thornton]

They're beating the Spurs now, but what are you seeing in them that shows that they are on par with or better than the Thunder, the Spurs, or even the Blazers for that matter?

defense is much better this year than it was those past two years. they have a real rotation now and didn't the previous two seasons. especially helpful that deandre actually plays starters minutes, last two years he was playing 19-25 mpg. and griffin is better, he takes and makes the mid range jumper much more consistently then he ever has and is actually good at defense now. also redick adds something they have always needed badly. maybe can't beat the thunder still, but have a good shot and are a better team than the trailblazers for sure.

[BlackVVaves]

Favorites? The **** have the Clippers done in the league to warrant being considered favorites when the last 2 WCF Champs are as good or arguably better than they were the last 2 years.

Favorites? LoL

[SpecialQue]

defense is much better this year than it was those past two years. they have a real rotation now and didn't the previous two seasons. especially helpful that deandre actually plays starters minutes, last two years he was playing 19-25 mpg. and griffin is better, he takes and makes the mid range jumper much more consistently then he ever has and is actually good at defense now. also redick adds something they have always needed badly. maybe can't beat the thunder still, but have a good shot and are a better team than the trailblazers for sure.

For their sake I hope their defense has improved. They seemed like such a threat last season that I was shocked that they only managed two wins against the Grizzlies.

[AintNoSunshine]

Simple, because they are too Chris Paul reliant

[Al Thornton]

For their sake I hope their defense has improved. They seemed like such a threat last season that I was shocked that they only managed two wins against the Grizzlies.

their team defense was okay last season but griffin and jordan were awful at defending those big guys and probably still are. won't be a problem unless they play indiana in the finals.

[Al Thornton]

Simple, because they are too Chris Paul reliant

the heat rely on lebron more than the clippers rely on chris paul.

[fpliii]

Same thing with the Rockets. People on this board just don't like Dwight and CP3 for whatever reasons.

[DuMa]

Chuck said it best. their toughest player is barely 6 foot tall. DJ and Griff has to become enforcers and tougher and show they can play and stay in the game in a crucial playoff game.

They've also been injured. Barnes and Reddick, when they comeback should help tons but they still need a backup big. I hate to say it but Scrotum could be the final key in getting them to the WCF.

[redboy]

because griffin hasn't become the superstar that everyone envisioned him becoming. he still is unreliable in the post and cannot shoot free throws to save his life. deandre jordan has all the athletic talent in the world but struggles in the half court to create his own shot. chris paul doesn't really have that "1b/2" guy. furthermore, i don't like the combination of jj reddick and jared dudley together. with blake and deandre already having enough trouble to create their own shots, dudley and reddick don't add any weapons that can create their own offense. both are shooters, with reddick being better than dudley, but neither are good enough where they can take some of the shot creating burden off of cp3. when cp3 struggles, the whole team struggles. blake right now isn't as good as 09/10 pau nor is he in the playoffs as wade/bosh are. jamal crawford is really their second best scorer, but he too is streaky. unless cp3 puts together a stretch like dirk in '11, it's hard to imagine a situation where the clips win the championship. all of the championship teams of the last ten years have been extremely balanced.

the same goes for defense. the clippers are not as good defensively as the championship teams in the past. cp3/reddick/dudley can all be classified as "good" defenders, but they won't cause the opposing team problems the way that a trevor ariza/ron artest/shane battier/shawn marion did. the clippers really lack that "glue" 3 and D that teams in the past few years have had. this team is a step forward from the test last year, but i think they are still a few peaces away from being really in the contender conversation. if blake steps up his game and they can get deandre to keep playing like a dpoy candidate, i think they have a chance. i think it's time to make a few trades for a solid perimeter defender.

[Al Thornton]

because griffin hasn't become the superstar that everyone envisioned him becoming. . deandre jordan has all the athletic talent in the world but struggles in the half court to create his own shot. chris paul doesn't really have that "1b/2" guy. furthermore, i don't like the combination of jj reddick and jared dudley together. with blake and already having enough trouble to create their own shots, dudley and reddick don't add any weapons that can create their own offense. both are shooters, with reddick being better than dudley, but neither are good enough where they can take some of the shot creating burden off of cp3. when cp3 struggles, the whole team struggles. blake right now isn't as good as 09/10 pau nor is he in the playoffs as wade/bosh are. jamal crawford is really their second best scorer, but he too is streaky. unless cp3 puts together a stretch like dirk in '11, it's hard to imagine a situation where the clips win the championship. all of the championship teams of the last ten years have been extremely balanced.

the same goes for defense. the clippers are not as good defensively as the championship teams in the past. cp3/reddick/dudley can all be classified as "good" defenders, but they won't cause the opposing team problems the way that a trevor ariza/ron artest/shane battier/shawn marion did. the clippers really lack that "glue" 3 and D that teams in the past few years have had. this team is a step forward from the test last year, but i think they are still a few peaces away from being really in the contender conversation. if blake steps up his game and they can get deandre to keep playing like a dpoy candidate, i think they have a chance. i think it's time to make a few trades for a solid perimeter defender.

none of the stuff u wrote about blake griffin is true, plus they have matt barnes who is injured and will be playing a lot if they need him to guard durant in the playoffs.

[YouGotServed]

none of the stuff u wrote about blake griffin is true, plus they have matt barnes who is injured and will be playing a lot if they need him to guard durant in the playoffs.

No, everything he said about Griffin is true and Barnes is a terrible defender. Clipps will probably bounce in 4 against the spurs again anyway.

[redboy]

none of the stuff u wrote about blake griffin is true, plus they have matt barnes who is injured and will be playing a lot if they need him to guard durant in the playoffs.
you're telling me that griffin is a 75% free throw shooter and is a reliable post scorer every time down? you're saying that griffin is as good of a post player/scorer as LMA? you're saying that you'd trust him to take a game winning jump shot like you would be with lma? with the hype he had in his rookie campaign, that's what everyone expected out of griffin. he was supposed to be karl malone but his game hasn't been as improved as everyone thought.

and matt barnes isn't stable enough to be that glue guy imo. he plays decent d, but durant isn't exactly going to struggle with barnes and barnes' 3 ball is still too streaky for my tastes.

[russwest0]

God I hope OKC meets them in the playoffs. As long as the Clippers don't choke in round 1 they might.

OKC will sweep them.

[russwest0]

the heat rely on lebron more than the clippers rely on chris paul.

No, they don't at all.

[VIntageNOvel]

they need to trade griffin for melo,
melo can take over when CP goes passive,
and it would add spacing

[ProfessorMurder]

Because they suck and will get shit stomped in the playoffs again.

Deandre and Blake can't win playoff games when played together.

[Al Thornton]

No, they don't at all.

yeah they definitely do. clippers create more offense with griffin, redick, crawford than heat do with anyone other than lebron.

and lol at prof, the thoughts of a man who thought the nuggets were real last season.

[qrich]

they need to trade griffin for melo,
melo can take over when CP goes passive,
and it would add spacing

Sure. If New York cuts Chandler and Clippers sign him to a three year minum deal and Clips also get Hardaway Jr and Shumpert for Dudley, Mullens and Hollins along with the Knicks 2016 first.

[VIntageNOvel]

Sure. If New York cuts Chandler and Clippers sign him to a three year minum deal and Clips also get Hardaway Jr and Shumpert for Dudley, Mullens and Hollins along with the Knicks 2016 first.

you heartless cold blooded bastard, :mad: its the only first round pick nyk will have for the next couple decades

[I<3NBA]

because DJ and BG suck. once CP3 is shut down, the two dumbasses can't create to save their life. what's worse, their FT shooting sucks balls.

[icewill36]

people have been too hard on the clippers. they are doing fine. they have had injuries to key wing players and a road heavy schedule.

people have given golden state a pass, yet they are barely above .500, yet the clips are 17-9 and everyone bashes them. i dont get it.

[All Net]

IQ

[East_Stone_Ya]

because of their lack of success in the playoffs

[RIP CITY]

Because San Antonio and Oklahoma City are better than them. Barring injuries one of those two teams is going to Finals. Portland and Houston are also capable of beating the Clippers as well. Warriors and Clippers are both pretenders, too much run and gun, not enough defense.

[senelcoolidge]

Wow, it's so obvious that a lot of people here don't follow the Clippers and are just blatant haters. The Clippers would love to play the Rockets in the 1st round. They are making strides. They have a new coach. New players. They have a lot of injuries at the moment. Things are slowly falling in place. Griffin tonight showed what he's made off. It's just something he has to do every night. He was dominant in the paint. He showed great foot work and terrific post moves. He played like rookie Blake hustling and sacrificing his self for the win. That coast to coast and than running back on defense to draw the offensive foul was awesome. He may not put up stat stuffing numbers like some other guys but he does little things that help his team win. The guys made their shots and the team overall defended well after having a bad 1st quarter. Come playoff time they will be better. The only thing is health. The last two years they have had the bad luck of having injuries in the playoffs.

[icewill36]

Because San Antonio and Oklahoma City are better than them. Barring injuries one of those two teams is going to Finals. Portland and Houston are also capable of beating the Clippers as well. Warriors and Clippers are both pretenders, too much run and gun, not enough defense.

the clippers have actually climbed all the way up to 8th in defensive efficiency