Chris Paul says AI was the most influential player in the league

[Inferno]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b58pW5XQfrU

[Real Men Wear Green]

We fans are often surprised by the opinions athletes hold. You would think that they play so differently as smaller guards that Paul would have grown up trying to emulate Stockton or something but that isn't the case.

[Mass Debator]

Dat sleeve

[alec613]

Quite surprised by this

Inb4 AI > CP3

[NumberSix]

Quite surprised by this

Inb4 AI > CP3
Until Paul can have the same success with his stacked team that AI had with his shit team.....

AI > CP3

[russwest0]

Until Paul can have the same success with his stacked team that AI had with his shit team.....

AI > CP3

those refs tho...

[GOBB]

We fans are often surprised by the opinions athletes hold. You would think that they play so differently as smaller guards that Paul would have grown up trying to emulate Stockton or something but that isn't the case.

When have you ever heard of a player saying they emulated their game after Stockton?

[kurple]

When have you ever heard of a player saying they emulated their game after Stockton?
:roll:

[red1]

When have you ever heard of a player saying they emulated their game after Stockton?
:oldlol:

[Real Men Wear Green]

When have you ever heard of a player saying they emulated their game after Stockton?
I should just let the joke slide but I bet coaches show their point guards more footage of Stockton than AI. Ok, everyone can go back to laughing.

[GOBB]

I should just let the joke slide but I bet coaches show their point guards more footage of Stockton than AI. Ok, everyone can go back to laughing.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

And how is my statement a joke? Answer it then. Or after page 53 on google "Players who emulate John Stockton" you decided to give up. :confusedshrug:

you were better off just laughing and saying "Good point.".

[Real Men Wear Green]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

And how is my statement a joke? Answer it then. Or after page 53 on google "Players who emulate John Stockton" you decided to give up. :confusedshrug:

you were better off just laughing and saying "Good point.". 53? I gave up after page 1.

[Lebron23]

AI was also one of my favorite players growing up. And CP3 is 1 1/2 years older than me.

[moe94]

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

And how is my statement a joke? Answer it then. Or after page 53 on google "Players who emulate John Stockton" you decided to give up. :confusedshrug:

you were better off just laughing and saying "Good point.".

How is that even remotely a good point, though? :confusedshrug:

[GOBB]

How is that even remotely a good point, though? :confusedshrug:

Answer my question

[moe94]

Answer my question

Your question is condescending and glorifies a terrible aspect of the influence Iverson had on this league. The fact that you may very well be right is NOT a good point is what I'm saying.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I suppose I should take responsibility for an off-hand comment that is about to become a tedious argument.
We fans are often surprised by the opinions athletes hold. You would think that they play so differently as smaller guards that Paul would have grown up trying to emulate Stockton or something but that isn't the case.
All I was saying here is that a point guard like CP3 who is a scorer second and a floor general first is more in the mold of and thus at some point studied the prototype players for his position like Stockton that were pass-first and how they ran the team than a guy like AI that was first and foremost a scorer. Or at least, I would think that he studied those guys. Italics for emphasis. And I would still bet that Paul studied the games of the orthodox floor generals of his position. But in this video clip he is talking about what a huge influence Iverson is. Ok, no big deal, I was just a little surprised because he doesn't play like AI.

[GOBB]

Your question is condescending and glorifies a terrible aspect of the influence Iverson had on this league. The fact that you may very well be right is NOT a good point is what I'm saying.

So you're not a fan of AI influence on the game. Ok. Carry on sir...

[GOBB]

I suppose I should take responsibility for an off-hand comment that is about to become a tedious argument.

All I was saying here is that a point guard like CP3 who is a scorer second and a floor general first is more in the mold of and thus at some point studied the prototype players for his position like Stockton that were pass-first and how they ran the team than a guy like AI that was first and foremost a scorer. Or at least, I would think that he studied those guys. Italics for emphasis. And I would still bet that Paul studied the games of the orthodox floor generals of his position. But in this video clip he is talking about what a huge influence Iverson is. Ok, no big deal, I was just a little surprised because he doesn't play like AI.

I've never heard someone say they emulated their game after John Stockton. That's the part of your post I highlighted. Pretty positive you never heard it as well. I'm more surprised at that comment than CP3 saying he was influenced by AI. AI influence goes beyond playing exactly like him which CP3 explained. Italics and bold for emphasis. AI played with an edge, attitude, fierce competitor. Things you can see in CP3 game. Whether or not CP3 studied Stockton at some point in his life? Irrelevant.

Really no need for a back and forth. I asked a simple question that I found strange.

No big deal, sorry other posters chuckled and you felt like you had to defend yourself from the laughs.

[KyrieTheFuture]

CP3 did not model his game after AI even in the slightest. You think AI would ever flop? Even once? I want AI in the league just to punk floppers.

[moe94]

CP3 did not model his game after AI even in the slightest. You think AI would ever flop? Even once? I want AI in the league just to punk floppers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeZ3ck2Bd0I

[grantz]

CP3 did not model his game after AI even in the slightest. You think AI would ever flop? Even once? I want AI in the league just to punk floppers.

Yeah Iverson never flopped. He's a legend like some giant living in the woods.

:lol

[GOBB]

CP3 did not model his game after AI even in the slightest. You think AI would ever flop? Even once? I want AI in the league just to punk floppers.

Sarcasm?

[PJR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeZ3ck2Bd0I

Zing! :oldlol:

[Quizno]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeZ3ck2Bd0I
lmaooooo got 'em

[GOBB]

AI was influenced by Reggie Miller when it came to flopping.

[steve]

I suppose I should take responsibility for an off-hand comment that is about to become a tedious argument.
All I was saying here is that a point guard like CP3 who is a scorer second and a floor general first is more in the mold of and thus at some point studied the prototype players for his position like Stockton that were pass-first and how they ran the team than a guy like AI that was first and foremost a scorer. Or at least, I would think that he studied those guys. Italics for emphasis. And I would still bet that Paul studied the games of the orthodox floor generals of his position. But in this video clip he is talking about what a huge influence Iverson is. Ok, no big deal, I was just a little surprised because he doesn't play like AI.

I think the point you're trying to make but people are glossing over is: there are players who make us love the game and then there are players who best fit how we can play the game. I grew up with Bernard King as my favorite player but being the shortest kid or one of them, it made no sense for me to emulate his game. Just because a player influenced you to play the game (and Iverson was probably the most authentically influencing player ever) doesn't mean that necessarily how you want to play he game.

[kurple]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeZ3ck2Bd0I
there isnt a basketball player in the world that havent tried to draw a charge or a foul

paul is a punk ass flopper. big difference

Only reason that "mix" was made was because some idiot thought diverson was a cool play of words

[moe94]

there isnt a basketball player in the world that havent tried to draw a charge or a foul

paul is a punk ass flopper. big difference

Only reason that "mix" was made was because some idiot thought diverson was a cool play of words

What difference? Don't drown in that pool of nostalgic bias. :sleeping

Iverson was flat out hilarious in that video and here you are trying to dismiss it. Some guy said something asinine and was quickly corrected. End of story.

[kurple]

What difference? Don't drown in that pool of nostalgic bias. :sleeping

Iverson was flat out hilarious in that video and here you are trying to dismiss it. Some guy said something asinine and was quickly corrected. End of story.
that video doesnt prove shit. sorry


god you're annoying

[moe94]

You might as well literally cry at this point.:cry:

[kurple]

try harder

[moe94]

Last one to post wins!

I like Iverson, too, but stop acting like he didn't do the same shit Paul did, just not as frequent and blatant. In one of those clips, he actually fell in a direction opposite of where physics would dictate the motion to go had he really gotten hit. You can't defend that kind of thing.

[kurple]

Iverson flopped, everyone does. but that vid was mostly him drawing fouls and a couple of flops

CP3 is in another league when it comes to flopping

[TheMarkMadsen]

AI was also one of my favorite players growing up. And CP3 is 1 1/2 years older than me.

:roll:

This just struck me as the oddest thing, you post that like we had asked you a damn question first

[GOBB]

I like Iverson, too.

Really?


glorifies a terrible aspect of the influence Iverson had on this league.

:rolleyes:


Bad influence for Iverson to introduce colorful arm sleeves, braids, hip hop music and casual gear.

[NumberSix]

:roll:

This just struck me as the oddest thing, you post that like we had asked you a damn question first
He's right though.

[moe94]

Bad influence for Iverson to introduce colorful arm sleeves, braids, hip hop music and casual gear.

I have no idea whether you're serious or not but do you seriously think that's the extent of his influence?

[TheMarkMadsen]

He's right though.

He's right about AI being his favorite player growin up?

He's right about the exact amount of years which separates him and CP3 in age?

Okay? :lol

[Legends66NBA7]

I have no idea whether you're serious or not but do you seriously think that's the extent of his influence?

What is the extent of his influence ?

[moe94]

What is the extent of his influence ?
He epitomized the flash and style over substance approach. The idea that dropping someone or doing it alone is more important than finding the best possible shot or play. He wasn't solely responsible but he was a major factor due to is amazing popularity. Combo guards taking the most shots on a team was a relative rarity prior to his emergence as was scoring point guards being drafted so high.

[GOBB]

He epitomized the flash and style over substance approach. The idea that dropping someone or doing it alone is more important than finding the best possible shot or play. He wasn't solely responsible but he was a major factor due to is amazing popularity. Combo guards taking the most shots on a team was a relative rarity prior to his emergence as was scoring point guards being drafted so high.

So so bad for the game. :cry:

[moe94]

So so bad for the game. :cry:
I couldn't care less what you think it meant for the game but to act like his influence was that shallow and aesthetic driven is just dumb. Either you knew and glossed it over to prove some inane point or you were flat out ignorant.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Until Paul can have the same success with his stacked team that AI had with his shit team.....

AI > CP3
AI had the defense player of the year, coach of year and 6th man but his team was shit??????:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[GOBB]

I couldn't care less what you think it meant for the game


but to act like his influence was

:roll: Nice contradiction.

[GOBB]

AI had the defense player of the year, coach of year and 6th man but his team was shit??????:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Mutombo played the majority of his games in Atlanta. Theo Ratliff was the main man in the middle for the Sixers. And Larry Brown doesnt play, he coaches.

[moe94]

:roll: Nice contradiction.

How? You don't have to care about it. Just understand it existed, for better or worse. :facepalm

Step it up, GOBB.

[GOBB]

How? You don't have to care about it. Just understand it existed, for better or worse. :facepalm

Step it up, GOBB.

You make a habit out of not making sense. Good job, good effort. Good job, good effort!

[moe94]

You make a habit out of not making sense. Good job, good effort. Good job, good effort!

You have nothing to really say, so just admit it. :rolleyes:

[Micku]

After Jordan, then I would think Iverson and Kobe are probably the biggest influence of the early 00s era. Iverson kind'a brought the hip-hop culture more integrated to the NBA. AI was kind'a like a modern day version of Dr. J in terms of bringing in a mixture of street ball culture and NBA ball. He might've encourage more iso ball as well, but that was expanding on the negative part of Jordan influence I would think.

The tats and attitude was already influence by Dennis Rodman, but AI continued it. He also had the attitude of "I am who I am, and I'm not going to change for you" type of attitude.

Granted, there were already players like that in the league. Kobe is kind'a one of them, but AI was the most popular in the early 00s. Plus he was really small going up against giants, so that also helped.

I don't think he is the most influential player of all time tho. I'm shocked that CP3 would think he was more influential than guys like MJ, Magic, Dr. J and Bird. But I would say he one of the top influential players that shaped the early 00s to mid 00s. Whatever good or bad.

[ripthekik]

If there was a top 3 worldwide influential NBA players, I'd say two of them are MJ and AI.

[bizil]

That doesn't surprise me at all frankly. The one thing AI and CP3 have in common is the fact that they are small guards (under 6'2) who can dominate a game scoring the rock. The only other guys on that elite kind of level historically are Tiny and Isiah. And of course u got Timmy, KJ, and Calvin Murphy too. But the Fab Four small guys in my book are Isiah, AI, Tiny, and now CP3. Sure AI was more unique because he played SG mainly. And let's face it, many of the elite PG's today are more score first or combo kind of guards anyway. So in a sense, that's major AI influence. It's just that AI was under 6'2. If AI was a PG the majority of his career, I would take him over Westbrook, Rose, Steph, Lillard, etc.

[Phantom84]

AI had the defense player of the year, coach of year and 6th man but his team was shit??????:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

AI had old man Mutombo, Matt Geiger, George Lynch, Tyrone Hill, Eric Snow, and an overrated sixth man of the year Aaron Mckie (who absolutely suck in the playoff). So yeah, AI team was absolute shit. Their only saving grace was that their defense was great and the team was built around AI. The problem is one guy can't win you a championship.

[bizil]

And mainstream superstar wise these are the elite in NBA history since Stern really opened the floodgates in the 80's:

MJ
Magic
Bird
Dr.J (deserve major props for being the forerunner and giving Stern that vision. Too bad Doc's peak couldn't have been in that era. He was the kind of guy u build a league around frankly)
Shaq
AI
Kobe
Lebron
Barkley
Kareem

So AI is in elite ass company in that sense!

[GOBB]

AI influence. :bowdown: Thanks posters for the replies.


You have nothing to really say, so just admit it. :rolleyes:

I dont know what it is you're trying to say. Can you try using different words or something? :confusedshrug:

[Shih508]

AI had old man Mutombo, Matt Geiger, George Lynch, Tyrone Hill, Eric Snow, and an overrated sixth man of the year Aaron Mckie (who absolutely suck in the playoff). So yeah, AI team was absolute shit. Their only saving grace was that their defense was great and the team was built around AI. The problem is one guy can't win you a championship.

Young kids dunno the truth that many players on that sixers team won awards was because the team was overachieved than anyone's expectation before season started.

That's why i always laugh when I hear someone said Shaq got robbed for the mvp award. Lakers regular season record was sub par comparing to the expectation bofore the season started. They were defending champs and star players all in the prime.

[D-Wade316]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeZ3ck2Bd0I
:roll: :oldlol:

there isnt a basketball player in the world that havent tried to draw a charge or a foul

paul is a punk ass flopper. big difference

Only reason that "mix" was made was because some idiot thought diverson was a cool play of words
Truth hurts. :roll: :oldlol:

[D-Wade316]

AI had the defense player of the year, coach of year and 6th man but his team was shit??????:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
You know he was being sarcastic?

[Eric Cartman]

Allen Iverson was more appealing to the casual fan and brought ALOT of people that wouldn't watch many basketball for his style and mother****in swag. Praise him.