Can someone please post Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kareem's stats in the Finals??

[Lebron23]

I already found it, But i think I still need to compute the FG%.

Larry Bird - 23.1 PPG 11.6 RPG 6.2 APG.

Magic Johnson - 19.4 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 11.4 apg

Kareem Abdul Jabbar 23.1 PPG 8.8 RPG 3.2 APG 2.0 BPG

http://www.complex.com/sports/2012/06/the-25-most-clutch-players-in-nba-finals-history/clutch-finals-5

I cannot believe that Lebron averaged more points than these NBA legends. Hopefully Lebron average over 29 ppg if the Heat advance again in the NBA Finals.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Look up my top 5 centers and guards threads for Kareem and Magic.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Found them


















Better than Lebrons

[Lebron23]

Found them


















Better than Lebrons

You are still an immature little prick. Lebron has more championships, Finals MVP, and rings than KG, Durant, and CP3 combined.

[Lebron23]

Look up my top 5 centers and guards threads for Kareem and Magic.


Show me the link.

[Marchesk]

You are still an immature little prick. Lebron has more championships, Finals MVP, and rings than KG, Durant, and CP3 combined.

Durant is only 25.

[Myth]

OP, basketball-reference makes it really easy to do this now, so go do it yourself.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

You are still an immature little prick. Lebron has more championships, Finals MVP, and rings than KG, Durant, and CP3 combined.
Classy:applause:
I thought u werent gonna post here anymore since youre gonna law school
wha happen:lol

[branslowski]

Show me the link.

Yo LeBron23, are you still a die-hard Cavs fan bro?

[Lebron23]

Durant is only 25.


he might win someday, but until he has a ring in his fingers. I won't even put him in the same sentence as Bird and LBJ.

[Marchesk]

he might win someday, but until he has a ring in his fingers. I won't even put him in the same sentence as Bird and LBJ.

Right, but it can't be held against him, since he was drafted to a shitty team that's been working it's way into a title contender ever since. No different than Lebron on Cleveland or Jordan on the Bulls in the first part of their careers.

And Durant has a 30 point finals average, which is an uncommon feat.

[Lebron23]

Right, but it can't be held against him, since he was drafted to a shitty team that's been working it's way into a title contender ever since. No different than Lebron on Cleveland or Jordan on the Bulls in the first part of their careers.

And Durant has a 30 point finals average, which is an uncommon feat.

True

I still remember when Lebron averaged 39/9/8 against the No.1 defensive team Orlando Magic in the 2009 NBA Playoffs, and they still losses the series in 6 games.

[Lebron23]

I already found it, But i think I still need to compute the FG%.

Larry Bird - 23.1 PPG 11.6 RPG 6.2 APG.

Magic Johnson - 19.4 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 11.4 apg

Kareem Abdul Jabbar 23.1 PPG 8.8 RPG 3.2 APG 2.0 BPG

http://www.complex.com/sports/2012/06/the-25-most-clutch-players-in-nba-finals-history/clutch-finals-5

I cannot believe that Lebron averaged more points than these NBA legends. Hopefully Lebron average over 29 ppg if the Heat advance again in the NBA Finals.

[Marchesk]

I cannot believe that Lebron averaged more points than these NBA legends. Hopefully Lebron average over 29 ppg if the Heat advance again in the NBA Finals.

Kareem's rebounds are only 8.8? Next, calculate their PER ;)

[NumberSix]

Right, but it can't be held against him, since he was drafted to a shitty team that's been working it's way into a title contender ever since. No different than Lebron on Cleveland or Jordan on the Bulls in the first part of their careers.

And Durant has a 30 point finals average, which is an uncommon feat.
I don't know about that. I can't see a LeBron or Jordan lead team winning only 24% of its games one year and 28% the next.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Yo LeBron23, are you still a die-hard Cavs fan bro?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4368410&postcount=4
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Lebron23]

Kareem's rebounds are only 8.8? Next, calculate their PER ;)


Yes

http://www.complex.com/sports/2012/06/the-25-most-clutch-players-in-nba-finals-history/clutch-finals-12

[Odinn]

I cannot believe that Lebron averaged more points than these NBA legends. Hopefully Lebron average over 29 ppg if the Heat advance again in the NBA Finals.
You can be like Kobe-stans/LeBron-haters. That is your problem.

Let's wait until LeBron averages 26/9/5 in the Finals at his 38. K? Or 22/7/3 at his 40.

[Legends66NBA7]

Kareem has played in 10 NBA Finals. Shouldn't be hard to guess why his numbers are lower than expected.

[Lebron23]

You can be like Kobe-stans/LeBron-haters. That is your problem.

Let's wait until LeBron averages 26/9/5 in the Finals at his 38. K? Or 22/7/3 at his 40.

I think he won't. I love to see Lebron retire at the top of his game. By the time he's 38 and 40. Lebron would be a 20-22 yrs. NBA veteran.

[Lebron23]

Looking at Jordan and Shaq Finals stats. Wow, These 2 guys were such Super Finals Performers. Jordan played against Barkley, Malone/Stockton, Drexler, Magic, and Payton/Kemp while Shaq played against a Hakeem, Mutombo, Wallace, Rik Smiths/Davis front court.

[Marchesk]

Jerry West: 30/5/5.5 on 45.3% for 9 finals.

Six of those were against the Celtics, and he averaged over 30 in six finals.

[Odinn]

If we exclude 1987, 1988 and 1989 Finals from KAJ's averages, his numbers;
26.8 ppg / 10.5 rpg / 4.2 apg on .541 fg
And those numbers still include 4 finals which KAJ was at least at his 35.

[Lebron23]

Jerry West: 30/5/5.5 on 45.3% for 9 finals.

Six of those were against the Celtics, and he averaged over 30 in six finals.


Dr. J was also an outstanding Finals Performer. 25.5 ppg / 7.5 rpg / 4.5 apg / 2.0 spg / 1.7 bpg / 2.8 tpg / 52.6% fg / 76.6% ft / 28.64 eff. His team were also 1/4 in the Finals, but he was a solid individual performer.

[Marchesk]

Anyone want to do Russell?

[wakencdukest]

I already found it, But i think I still need to compute the FG%.

Larry Bird - 23.1 PPG 11.6 RPG 6.2 APG.

Magic Johnson - 19.4 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 11.4 apg

Kareem Abdul Jabbar 23.1 PPG 8.8 RPG 3.2 APG 2.0 BPG

http://www.complex.com/sports/2012/06/the-25-most-clutch-players-in-nba-finals-history/clutch-finals-5

I cannot believe that Lebron averaged more points than these NBA legends. Hopefully Lebron average over 29 ppg if the Heat advance again in the NBA Finals.



So, you would not be satisfied if LeBron averaged 15 points and won a title?

[Lebron23]

So, you would not be satisfied if LeBron averaged 15 points and won a title?

The heat won't repeat if Lebron only averaged 15 ppg in the Finals.

[Odinn]

The heat won't repeat if Lebron only averaged 15 ppg in the Finals.
I do not believe it's a valid response. Let's say LeBron didn't retire at the top of his game. And he is 36+. He averages 15 ppg alongside with good rpg and apg numbers on a good efficiency. Wouldn't you be satisfied? Wouldn't you use that ring as a serious career accomplishment while talking about goat lists?

You are way too off, man. You are way too hard trying to glorify LeBron.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lmao at this kid thinking Lebron's as good as them in the Finals :oldlol:

[Lebron23]

well. He won't get any additional recognitions to tell you the truth.

[longtime lurker]

I already found it, But i think I still need to compute the FG%.

Larry Bird - 23.1 PPG 11.6 RPG 6.2 APG.

Magic Johnson - 19.4 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 11.4 apg

Kareem Abdul Jabbar 23.1 PPG 8.8 RPG 3.2 APG 2.0 BPG

http://www.complex.com/sports/2012/06/the-25-most-clutch-players-in-nba-finals-history/clutch-finals-5

I cannot believe that Lebron averaged more points than these NBA legends. Hopefully Lebron average over 29 ppg if the Heat advance again in the NBA Finals.

So you wanted to show us that all this guys have more rings than Lebron too :applause: impressive

[Lebron23]

Lmao at this kid thinking Lebron's as good as them in the Finals :oldlol:

Lebron has the same numbers of Finals MVP as Bird and Kareem. And he actually improves in his finals performance in the last 2 years.

[Black and White]

Lebron has the same numbers of Finals MVP as Bird and Kareem. And he actually improves in his finals performance in the last 2 years.

Doesn't make him better than them tho

[Lebron23]

So you wanted to show us that all this guys have more rings than Lebron too :applause: impressive


Here comes the stupid rings argument. I value the Finals MVP trophy, Peak play, regular season MVP trophy, and overall regular season, playoffs and finals stats over winning an NBA Championship as the 2nd, 3rd or even 4th option of a championship team.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kareem's first 3 NBA Finals

'71: 27/19/3 on 61%
'74: 33/12/5 on 52%
'80: 33/14/3 on 55%

He was 35 years old in his next Finals ('82).

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lebron has the same numbers of Finals MVP as Bird and Kareem. And he actually improves in his finals performance in the last 2 years.
Who the **** cares. So does Willis Reed. You probably never heard of him though.

[Lebron23]

Doesn't make him better than them tho


He's gonna surpass them after the end of the season. Just like when Jordan officially surpassed Bird and Magic after he won his 3rd Finals MVP in the 1993 NBA Season, and he was easily a top 2-3 player of all time before his first retirement.

[Lebron23]

Who the **** cares. So does Willis Reed. You probably never heard of him though.

He retired early. He's still a top 15 player of all time.

[inclinerator]

He retired early. He's still a top 15 player of all time.
chek pm :cheers:

[Black and White]

He's gonna surpass them after the end of the season. Just like when Jordan officially surpassed Bird and Magic after he won his 3rd Finals MVP in the 1993 NBA Season, and he was easily a top 2-3 player of all time before his first retirement.

:biggums: Bird maybe, but not Kareem

[Deuce Bigalow]

He retired early. He's still a top 15 player of all time.
Reed top 15 alltime? LOL

[Deuce Bigalow]

He's gonna surpass them after the end of the season. Just like when Jordan officially surpassed Bird and Magic after he won his 3rd Finals MVP in the 1993 NBA Season, and he was easily a top 2-3 player of all time before his first retirement.
No he won't even if he does win another ring :facepalm

Bird won 3 titles without having to join another superstar's team. Kareem? Not even worth mentioning.

[BoutPractice]

Does anyone have them for Russell, Wilt, Hakeem, Shaq and Duncan? Just for info and to round up the usual list.

[Lebron23]

Does anyone have them for Russell, Wilt, Hakeem, Shaq and Duncan? Just for info and to round up the usual list.


Shaquille O'Neal 28.8 ppg on 60.2 FG%, 13.1 rpg, 3.3 apg, 2.1 bpg

Some of these stats are rounded up

Wilt Chamberlain 19-25-4 on .559

Hakeem Olajuwon 28-11-3 on .488

Bill Russell 16-25-5 on .456

I think I am going to update Duncan's stats.

[SpecialQue]

Let's compare Magic's first appearance in the finals with Lebron's.

[longtime lurker]

Here comes the stupid rings argument. I value the Finals MVP trophy, Peak play, regular season MVP trophy, and overall regular season, playoffs and finals stats over winning an NBA Championship as the 2nd, 3rd or even 4th option of a championship team.

So out of Magic, Bird and Kareem which one was a 2nd and 3rd option on his team?

[inclinerator]

Let's compare Magic's first appearance in the finals with Lebron's.
he never played that well again :p

[Lebron23]

So out of Magic, Bird and Kareem which one was a 2nd and 3rd option on his team?


When did Magic became the number one scoring option of the Lakers?? Prime Kareem only won 1 NBA title in the watered down 1970's. He needed some help from Post Prime Oscar who's was as good as 2012 and 2013 Wade. He just like Cleveland Lebron if weren't for Magic he wouldn't even be a top 3 player of all time.

Earvin made the lakers an unstoppable team in the 1980's.

[Lebron23]

Kareem last 2 NBA rings (1987 and 1988). He was not the best player of that team. Cedric Maxwell won the Finals MVP over Bird in 1981.

[Lebron23]

he never played that well again :p

1987 Magic Johnson > 1980 Magic Johnson in the Finals.

[jlip]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5224860&postcount=134

[longtime lurker]

When did Magic became the number one scoring option of the Lakers?? Prime Kareem only won 1 NBA title in the watered down 1970's. He needed some help from Post Prime Oscar who's was as good as 2012 and 2013 Wade. He just like Cleveland Lebron if weren't for Magic he wouldn't even be a top 3 player of all time.

Earvin made the lakers an unstoppable team in the 1980's.

So if you aren't the number one scoring option your titles shouldn't count? Then explain to me how so many fans think this guy:

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/img/2.0/sect/allstar/2011/pau_gasol_250.jpg

was responsible for the Lakers winning in 09 and 10?

[Odinn]

I did this some time ago. These are the cumulative finals stats for Magic, Bird, MJ, Shaq, and Duncan. The bolded stats are what each player led in.

Magic- 9 Finals 51.5 fg% 19.44 ppg 7.94 rpg 11.68 apg 2.04 spg 0.3 bpg 3.8 tov

Bird- 5 Finals 45.6 fg% 23.09 ppg 11.64 rpg 6.03 apg 2.03 spg 0.77 bpg 2.9 tov

Jordan- 6 Finals 48.6 fg% 33.6 ppg 6.03 rpg 5.97 apg 1.77 spg 0.65 bpg 2.8 tov

Shaq -6 Finals 60.1 fg% 28.83 ppg 13.1 rpg 3.43 apg 0.53 spg 2.07 bpg 3.3 tov

Duncan- 5 Finals 47.60 fg% 21.76 ppg 13.9 rpg 2.86 apg 0.86 spg 2.66 bpg 2.9 tov
Duncan's stats are updated.

[TheMarkMadsen]

OP is so butthurt today he's made multiple threads about magic & larry :lol

[wakencdukest]

Here comes the stupid rings argument. I value the Finals MVP trophy, Peak play, regular season MVP trophy, and overall regular season, playoffs and finals stats over winning an NBA Championship as the 2nd, 3rd or even 4th option of a championship team.



So, you want LeBron to be the the best player ever, win all the awards, have the highest stats, I get it. As a Heat fan though, wouldn't you like to see Wade score more? Wouldn't you like to see Bosh play more aggressive and average 20 and 10? I sure as hell would, there's nothing like watching a well rounded team where everyone is a threat every game.

[LAZERUSS]

Anyone want to do Russell?

I'm sure that most posters here would be shocked by some of Russell's Finals...

61-62

22.9 ppg, 27.0 rpg, and a .543 FG%. Included was a game seven of 30 points and 40 rebounds.


62-63

20.0 ppg, 26.0 rpg, and a .467 FG%.


64-65

17.8 ppg, 25.0 rpg, and get this... .702 FG% (that is not a misprint.)


65-66

23.6 ppg (LED Boston in scoring), 24.3 rpg, and a .538 FG%.

[Psileas]

Originally Posted by jlip
I did this some time ago. These are the cumulative finals stats for Magic, Bird, MJ, Shaq, and Duncan. The bolded stats are what each player led in.

Magic- 9 Finals 51.5 fg% 19.44 ppg 7.94 rpg 11.68 apg 2.04 spg 0.3 bpg 3.8 tov

Bird- 5 Finals 45.6 fg% 23.09 ppg 11.64 rpg 6.03 apg 2.03 spg 0.77 bpg 2.9 tov

Jordan- 6 Finals 48.6 fg% 33.6 ppg 6.03 rpg 5.97 apg 1.77 spg 0.65 bpg 2.8 tov

Shaq -6 Finals 60.1 fg% 28.83 ppg 13.1 rpg 3.43 apg 0.53 spg 2.07 bpg 3.3 tov

Duncan- 5 Finals 47.60 fg% 21.76 ppg 13.9 rpg 2.86 apg 0.86 spg 2.66 bpg 2.9 tov

Magic leading everyone in steals, as well. Also, posting the second highest FG% among the players in the list. :applause:

[Legends66NBA7]

I'm sure that most posters here would be shocked by some of Russell's Finals...

61-62

22.9 ppg, 27.0 rpg, and a .543 FG%. Included was a game seven of 30 points and 40 rebounds.


62-63

20.0 ppg, 26.0 rpg, and a .467 FG%.


64-65

17.8 ppg, 25.0 rpg, and get this... .702 FG% (that is not a misprint.)


65-66

23.6 ppg (LED Boston in scoring), 24.3 rpg, and a .538 FG%.

I've always wondered, how many FGA's did he take in 64-65 ?

[ripthekik]

All I know is Wilt and Lebron have very much in common. They are both in the same group who's never avg over 30 ppg in the finals, and have the least amount of games scoring over 30ppg in the finals. :roll: :roll:

I think they have similar winning percentage in the finals too.. what is Lebron's?

[coin24]

OP madder than usual today:oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

Magic leading everyone in steals, as well. Also, posting the second highest FG% among the players in the list. :applause:

Not to mention... NINE Finals.

I have mentioned it before, but how about these "what-if's"...

Given the fact that the Lakers dominated the Sixers in '80 and '82, and that Boston came from behind to eke out a seven game series win against Philly in '81...

what if Magic's Lakers had not been limited to a three game first round series (and in a year in which Johnson missed half the season)?


What if Worthy had not been injured and missed the entire '83 Finals (yes, the Lakers were swept, but their last three losses were very close)?


What if Worthy doesn't make that stupid pass in game two of the '84 Finals, or Magic misses two FTs in the last few seconds of game four of the '84 Finals?


What if Byron Scott is not injured in game 11 of the '89 playoffs (in which LA was standing at 11-0), and misses the entire Finals? And what if Magic, himself, is not injured in game two (of a tie game) of the Finals, and is basically done for the series...in a series in which the Lakers are swept, but their last three losses were close?

[LAZERUSS]

I've always wondered, how many FGA's did he take in 64-65 ?

33-47.

[Deuce Bigalow]

33-47.
You have Russell's FG-FGA in the '59 Finals?

[LAZERUSS]

You have Russell's FG-FGA in the '59 Finals?

I can't get to NBAstats.net for some reason. If you can, click on Bill Russell near the bottom. Maybe it will be listed.

[jlip]

I'm sure that most posters here would be shocked by some of Russell's Finals...

61-62

22.9 ppg, 27.0 rpg, and a .543 FG%. Included was a game seven of 30 points and 40 rebounds.



Russell led them in scoring in the '62 Finals also.

[AintNoSunshine]

You are still an immature little prick. Lebron has more championships, Finals MVP, and rings than KG, Durant, and CP3 combined.

:oldlol:
than they ever will combine

[LAZERUSS]

Russell led them in scoring in the '62 Finals also.

Thanks for the info. I wasn't sure. The sources that I have do not have all of the Celtic scoring.

[jlip]

You have Russell's FG-FGA in the '59 Finals?

12-38 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1959_finals.html)

[LAZERUSS]

12-38 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1959_finals.html)

As a sidenote... 29.5 rpg in a four game sweep.

[D-Wade316]

Wade better than all of them. :bowdown:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Funny because you mention players that actually played against eachother in the Finals (Bird vs Kareem and Magic) so you can see the level of competition.

Larry Bird:
31 games (16-15); 5 Finals; 3 Championships; 2x FMVP
42.8 MPG; 46% FG; 42% 3p; 87% FT; 23.1 PPG; 11.7 RPG; 6.0 APG; 2.0 SPG; 0.8 BPG

Magic Johnson:
50 games (24-26); 9 Finals; 5 Championships; 3x FMVP
40.9 MPG; 52% FG; 24% 3P; 87% FT; 19.4 PPG; 7.9 RPG; 11.7 APG; 2.0 SPG; 0.3 BPG

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar:
56 games (29-27); 10 Finals; 6 Championships; 2x FMVP
37.2 MPG; 52% FG; 70% FT; 23.5 PPG; 9.0 RPG; 3.2 APG; 0.9 SPG (-1971); 2.2 BPG (-1971)

>

LeBron James:
22 games (10-12); 4 Finals; 2 Championships; 2x FMVP
43.3 MPG; 44% FG; 29% 3p; 75% FT; 23.4 PPG; 9.0 RPG; 7.0 APG; 1.7 SPG; 0.6 BPG

[The Iron Fist]

Kareem has played in 10 NBA Finals. Shouldn't be hard to guess why his numbers are lower than expected.


Dude was in the finals for half of his career. In the conference finals 70% of his career. ****ing boss!!

[Lebron23]

LeBron James:
22 games (10-12); 4 Finals; 2 Championships; 2x FMVP
43.3 MPG; 44% FG; 29% 3p; 75% FT; 23.4 PPG; 9.0 RPG; 7.0 APG; 1.7 SPG; 0.6 BPG[/B]



Interesting.

Here's Kobe's Finals Stats: same numbers of finals MVP as Leking.

25.3 ppg /5.6 rpg /4.8 apg on 41%

Lebron averared more rebounds, more assists, more steals and block shots than Kobe. Kobe is only averaging 1.9 more ppg game than Lebron, but LBJ is the more efficient scorer.

I am sure we' still going to see plenty of finals appearance from lebron he's only going to turn 29 yrs.old in less than 12 days.

[pauk]

1981 Finals murdered Bird's Finals PPG with those back-to-back 8 point games and so on, he did much better in other Finals.
Kindof what happened to Lebron's PPG there aswell due to 2011.

[knicksman]

wow is op really this dumb. comparing a pg to lebron and an ancient kareem. LOL And Bird won with one of the most stacked teams of all time while being regarded as one of the bad playoff performers

[BlackVVaves]

Interesting.

Here's Kobe's Finals Stats: same numbers of finals MVP as Leking.

25.3 ppg /5.6 rpg /4.8 apg on 41%

Lebron averared more rebounds, more assists, more steals and block shots than Kobe. Kobe is only averaging 1.9 more ppg game than Lebron, but LBJ is the more efficient scorer.

I am sure we' still going to see plenty of finals appearance from lebron he's only going to turn 29 yrs.old in less than 12 days.

Why are you obsessed with proving LeBron's worth? You're one of the legit insecure "fanboys" on this site. Your original post's agenda to undermine the great play of NBA legends to propel LeBron is distasteful.

Get a ****ing grip.

[Pointguard]

Magic leading everyone in steals, as well. Also, posting the second highest FG% among the players in the list. :applause:
Magic controlled the game, finals too, more than any other player.

[LAZERUSS]

Magic controlled the game, finals too, more than any other player.

This.

:cheers: