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DFish24
12-18-2013, 02:09 AM
All this talk about choking going on lately. What playoff series would you consider to be Mike's biggest "choke job"?

moe94
12-18-2013, 02:11 AM
93 Nevada Classic

Dude had an amazing hand and folded like a lawn chair. GOAT my ass.

Fudge
12-18-2013, 02:14 AM
The word "choke" isn't in da GOAT's dictionary.

Only LeBrans.

poido123
12-18-2013, 02:16 AM
Being cut from the sophomore team :lol

Running the Bobcats, wearing shitty clothes.

Perhaps having trouble against Payton in the Sonics series, but the truth is there isn't much to go on.

Hamtaro CP3KDKG
12-18-2013, 02:16 AM
Easily 95 when he choked against Orlando and cost his Bulls the series

Young X
12-18-2013, 02:19 AM
95 Magic, Game 1: 8-22, 8 turnovers.

His worst game with the Bulls. Any MJ fan who's seen this series knows he wasn't himself.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
12-18-2013, 02:23 AM
95 Magic, Game 1: 8-22, 8 turnovers.

His worst game with the Bulls. Any MJ fan who's seen this series knows he wasn't himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFs16GWXT_w

The turnover down the stretch was just odd... Never seen (or saw again) MJ that careless w/ the ball. Dude just zoned out there. :lol

moe94
12-18-2013, 02:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFs16GWXT_w

The turnover down the stretch was just odd... Never seen (or saw again) MJ that careless w/ the ball. Dude just zoned out there. :lol

lol @ dislikes

MJ fans caught major feelings.

TheCorporation
12-18-2013, 02:29 AM
He doesn't have many, but I'd say his Elimination Game 6 loss to the Magic in 95

He put up 24 points on 42% with 6 TOs in a Game 7 loss.

Or, as another mentioned, his Game 1 loss in that same series

He put up 19 points on 36% and 8 TOs, but that was Game 1 vs an Elimination Game.

Young X
12-18-2013, 02:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFs16GWXT_w

The turnover down the stretch was just odd... Never seen (or saw again) MJ that careless w/ the ball. Dude just zoned out there. :lolThen he passes off a potential game winner and gets another turnover on some Lebron sh!t. :facepalm

That's the only time I could say Jordan choked, he's had bad games, but in this game he seemed to let the pressure get to him. His 8 turnovers was also a playoff career high for him, and this was his worst full game with the Bulls statistically. He just wasn't himself.

poido123
12-18-2013, 02:40 AM
Easily 95 when he choked against Orlando and cost his Bulls the series

I don't want to spoil the fun here, but wasn't Jordan slowly getting back from a long hiatus from basketball? He returned in March, so he had no offseason and little time to get his legs back?

The very next year when he was good to go, he and the bulls spanked Orlando 4-0

Nick Anderson who was playing for the Magic at that time said that Jordan; "didn't look like the old Michael Jordan"

TheCorporation
12-18-2013, 02:52 AM
I don't want to spoil the fun here, but wasn't Jordan slowly getting back from a long hiatus from basketball? He returned in March, so he had no offseason and little time to get his legs back?

The very next year when he was good to go, he and the bulls spanked Orlando 4-0

Nick Anderson who was playing for the Magic at that time said that Jordan; "didn't look like the old Michael Jordan"

He played 17 regular season games, averaging:

27-7-5 with 39.3 minutes per game. (He did have a 55 and a 37 point game during this 17 game stretch).

His playoff series in 95' was against the Hornets where the Bulls won 3-1. Jordan's averages for that series:

32.2 apg - 6.5 rpg - 5.7 apg on 49% FG

TheCorporation
12-18-2013, 02:54 AM
It should be noted that Pippen played very well during their Elimination Game 6 loss to Orlando.

Pippen's stats for that game 7:

26-12-6 on 53% with 2 steals

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
12-18-2013, 02:56 AM
It should be noted that Pippen played very well during their Game 7 loss to Orlando.

Pippen's stats for that game 7:

26-12-6 on 53% with 2 steals

They never played a Game 7 against Orlando...

kamil
12-18-2013, 02:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFs16GWXT_w

The turnover down the stretch was just odd... Never seen (or saw again) MJ that careless w/ the ball. Dude just zoned out there. :lol

He gets slightly tripped up at the end, you can see his foot bounce behind him. Might have been the reason for lost control, but who knows.

Young X
12-18-2013, 02:57 AM
He played 17 regular season games, averaging:

27-7-5 with 39.3 minutes per game. (He did have a 55 and a 37 point game during this 17 game stretch).He shot 41% and 49 TS%. Wizards MJ even shot better. The 18 months off definitely had a negative effect on him.

TheCorporation
12-18-2013, 03:00 AM
They never played a Game 7 against Orlando...

Correct, Elimination Game 6. :cheers: My bad.

SamuraiSWISH
12-18-2013, 03:17 AM
95 Magic, Game 1: 8-22, 8 turnovers.

His worst game with the Bulls. Any MJ fan who's seen this series knows he wasn't himself.
Kind of forgivable in context, though. Only 17 regular season games, missing 2 seasons for baseball, playing a stacked, young, talented Orlando Magic team.

MJ managed to up his production from the '95 regular season into the '95 playoffs very quickly.

He had some bad shooting nights, didn't fully have his wind or legs and was careless at times with the ball. But he also had flashes of former brilliance with 2x games that series where he put up 30 point halves but didn't have the wind or legs to continue that momentum streak.

His performance in that series is actually slept on. In game 6 he created space to end the game, drew a double team and delivered a perfect pass to Luc Longely who blew a point blank layup that ended up costing them the series.

KG215
12-18-2013, 03:18 AM
Then he passes off a potential game winner and gets another turnover on some Lebron sh!t. :facepalm

That's the only time I could say Jordan choked, he's had bad games, but in this game he seemed to let the pressure get to him. His 8 turnovers was also a playoff career high for him, and this was his worst full game with the Bulls statistically. He just wasn't himself.
Yeah, that's the type of thing that would shut ISH down for the night and the LeBron and Kobe stans would go on and on and on about for the next several days.

Scholar
12-18-2013, 03:18 AM
Probably when he stuffed his dick down the throats of LBJ & Kobe homers. :confusedshrug:

He didn't choke, but he sure provided a lot of it.

poido123
12-18-2013, 03:24 AM
Kind of forgivable in context, though. Only 17 regular season games, missing 2 seasons for baseball, playing a stacked, young, talented Orlando Magic team.

MJ managed to up his production from the '95 regular season into the '95 playoffs very quickly.

He had some bad shooting nights, didn't fully have his wind or legs and was careless at times with the ball. But he also had flashes of former brilliance with 2x games that series where he put up 30 point halves but didn't have the wind or legs to continue that momentum streak.

His performance in that series is actually slept on. In game 6 he created space to end the game, drew a double team and delivered a perfect pass to Luc Longely who blew a point blank layup that ended up costing them the series.


As I already explained on the previous page, but let's give the kids a bit of fun with it :lol

97 bulls
12-18-2013, 03:37 AM
Kind of forgivable in context, though. Only 17 regular season games, missing 2 seasons for baseball, playing a stacked, young, talented Orlando Magic team.

MJ managed to up his production from the '95 regular season into the '95 playoffs very quickly.

He had some bad shooting nights, didn't fully have his wind or legs and was careless at times with the ball. But he also had flashes of former brilliance with 2x games that series where he put up 30 point halves but didn't have the wind or legs to continue that momentum streak.

His performance in that series is actually slept on. In game 6 he created space to end the game, drew a double team and delivered a perfect pass to Luc Longely who blew a point blank layup that ended up costing them the series.
If you're referring to game 6, it was Pippen that dropped that pass. And actually, Jordan passed up an open Jump shot, Pippen moved in in anticipation of a possible offensive rebound. Jordan also missed two crucial FTs as well.

SamuraiSWISH
12-18-2013, 03:50 AM
If you're referring to game 6, it was Pippen that dropped that pass.
No, it was Jordan. You're totally wrong. Once again. Watch 5:35 ... about 27 seconds left in the game, Bulls down by 1 point. MJ hands Longely the game on a silver platter with his play making. It should've gone 7 games thanks to Jordan if Longely doesn't blow the opportunity given to him by Mike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntwR8ZGmLJg

It was a play very similar to the game winning assist he gave Wennington in NYC during his 55 point game a few months prior. I'm not misremembering it.

Obviously Jordan didn't play to the best of his abilities that series. He'd been gone for virtually 2 years, like I said forgivable within context.

Shame Pippen couldn't do his best D-Wade impression and bring his alpha game to supplement Jordan's rust. But Pippen's never been an alpha, or a closer like that because he lacks certain abilities.

Young X
12-18-2013, 04:00 AM
His performance in that series is actually slept on. In game 6 he created space to end the game, drew a double team and delivered a perfect pass to Luc Longely who blew a point blank layup that ended up costing them the series.You're right about this, his Hornet series is underrated too. The problem is inconsistency though, he went from having one of the worst games of his career to having 40 point games, etc. People forget how close that series was, if Jordan plays a decent game 1 the Bulls win that series IMO. He definitely had a good series and playoff run, but a fully prepared/conditioned MJ would've played much better.

SamuraiSWISH
12-18-2013, 04:10 AM
You're right about this, his Hornet series is underrated too.
Absolutely. That '95 Hornets team in the 1st round won 50 games. By comparison they were better than the 2013 Pacers the Heat faced in the conference finals.

:oldlol:

Alonzo, LJ, Gill, Curry, Mugsy. They were an extremely solid squad. Higher seed, and MJ's 48 point game 1 on the road set the tone. Even in his rust he always raised his game in the playoffs.


The problem is inconsistency though, he went from having one of the worst games of his career to having 40 point games, etc.
I agree. Rust, lack of rapport with new teammates, not in basketball shape, low wind. Legs. It was all a problem. Like I said, he had 2x 30 point HALVES in the series v.s. the Magic.


He definitely had a good series and playoff run, but a fully prepared/conditioned MJ would've played much better.
That's my point. It's excusable in context. And even then if this is considered a "choke" it's massively better than all of his all-time great contemporaries WORST "choking" playoff series.

GOAT gonna GOAT even when with a rusty butter knife in a gun fight.

97 bulls
12-18-2013, 04:43 AM
No, it was Jordan. You're totally wrong. Once again. Watch 5:35 ... about 27 seconds left in the game, Bulls down by 1 point. MJ hands Longely the game on a silver platter with his play making. It should've gone 7 games thanks to Jordan if Longely doesn't blow the opportunity given to him by Mike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntwR8ZGmLJg

It was a play very similar to the game winning assist he gave Wennington in NYC during his 55 point game a few months prior. I'm not misremembering it.

Obviously Jordan didn't play to the best of his abilities that series. He'd been gone for virtually 2 years, like I said forgivable within context.

Shame Pippen couldn't do his best D-Wade impression and bring his alpha game to supplement Jordan's rust. But Pippen's never been an alpha, or a closer like that because he lacks certain abilities.
If you look at the replay, Longley was clearly fouled. But I thought you were talking about game 6.

As far as Pippen, he did score 26 and had 12 rebounds and 6 assists. What's more, is that there really nothing Pippen could've done in your eyes, not because he was lacking, but because you're a Jordan jocker. Look at you now. Blaming Longley. Then Pippen for Jordans failures. It's really sad

AirFederer
12-18-2013, 04:57 AM
It would call it a choke, rusty as he was.

And let`s not forget it possibly gave him plenty of rage and motivation for the next season :pimp:

East_Stone_Ya
12-18-2013, 05:23 AM
drafting Kwame

aj1987
12-18-2013, 05:41 AM
By comparison they were better than the 2013 Pacers the Heat faced in the conference finals.
No. They weren't.

ballinhun8
12-18-2013, 06:16 AM
No. They weren't.



Awww someone got mad. The only response in this thread he makes has to be Heat related.



Otherwise, to the topic. No. Choke and MJ don't belong in the same sentence.

SamuraiSWISH
12-18-2013, 02:59 PM
drafting Kwame
Not really. Kwame was the consensus 1st pick by EVERYONE heading into that draft.

Magic 32
12-18-2013, 03:36 PM
Mj never did choke.

His career arc was so perfect it was almost cinematic.