Idea to counter TANKING

[VIntageNOvel]

i got this idea from looking at this season: Denver and Hawk, both own NYK and Nets first round pick, both can fight for playoff spot without worrying what pick they would be getting in this heavy talent draft year

1. one cannot own their own draft pick,
2. at the end of the season, the worst record can first choose which team draft pick they will get, followed by the second worst..and so on..
3. lottery and drafting will be held as usual
4. pick can still be traded, but cannot overwrite rule#1
5. no criss cross: if team A have team B's pick, team B can't own team A's pick

i.e. bobcats finish with worst record, they can first choose which draft pick from other team they would get, i.e cavs pick, as their foresee the cavs would be getting new coach or irving is injured and wont return soon, etc. so tanking would be useless, as you dont have your pick, and there would be extra motivation against the team that draft pick you own, + every team would try hardest to improve as they dont want to make their competition better with awful season

worst record still get the luxury for first choose (and champion like miami would be left with let say spurs/okc pick)

loophole: there's a chance that the champion would get the first pick, if the top team that year get into lottery the year after

any thought? maybe some other restriction to improve


NEW SPIN ON THIS IDEA -

Teams get to choose the team whose pick they receive based on record, for the NEXT YEAR. Teams' organizations would be very involved and interested in the performance of other teams, but the essential point is still maintained -

The success of a team on a single-year basis does not guarantee draft position. In fact, if the worst team in the league (bucks) end with the worst record, and select the Magic for their NEXT YEAR's pick (they get to draft according to the magic's record), the Magic might take it as a slight and try to have a great record, to ensure that the bucks get a bad pick.

What do you think? The ultimate goal is to have as many teams as possible, all of them if possible, TRYING TO WIN.s

[Qwyjibo]

So now you give teams an incentive to collude with each other. That would be a bigger blow to the "integrity of the game" than tanking ever was.

[VIntageNOvel]

So now you give teams an incentive to collude with each other. That would be a bigger blow to the "integrity of the game" than tanking ever was.

explain collude, how?

like i said, can be improved with certain restriction

[Amar'e_Juwanna]

not a terrible idea.

[Solefade]

didn't read but probably won't work

[gts]

Just get rid of the lottery. Don't make it complicated...

Worst team gets the first pick. As long as there's an outside chance a team could get the first pick without being the worst team in the league then teams will tank on some level.

Secondly, adjust it so you can't have the number one pick two years in a row no matter how bad you are, if you pick first one year you're doing no better than the 6th pick the next year

[Miles and Miles]

Just get rid of the lottery. Don't make it complicated...

Worst team gets the first pick. As long as there's an outside chance a team could get the first pick without being the worst team in the league then teams will tank on some level.

Secondly, adjust it so you can't have the number one pick two years in a row no matter how bad you are, if you pick first one year you're doing no better than the 6th pick the next year

This would encourage them to tank even harder if they are guaranteed the best pick. Right now the worst team only gets a 25% chance at the #1 pick. No one is tanking to get the 6th worst recording thinking they will get the #1 pick right now.

[2LeTTeRS]

Just get rid of the lottery. Don't make it complicated...

Worst team gets the first pick. As long as there's an outside chance a team could get the first pick without being the worst team in the league then teams will tank on some level.

Secondly, adjust it so you can't have the number one pick two years in a row no matter how bad you are, if you pick first one year you're doing no better than the 6th pick the next year

Doesn't this incentivize tanking to an even further degree? We would go back to pre-lottery NBA; with the impact that one player can have the league would feature teams with talent comparable to D-League squads when a franchise changer was coming.

[wakencdukest]

Is tanking really that much of a problem? It's usually the shittiest teams in the league that would consider tanking, and it doesn't usually work out because the teams that are in the lottery year after year still seem to be shitty, with a few exeptions of course.

[VIntageNOvel]

Is tanking really that much of a problem? It's usually the shittiest teams in the league that would consider tanking, and it doesn't usually work out because the teams that are in the lottery year after year still seem to be shitty, with a few exeptions of course.

no problem for the team,

but problem for us audience and fans who wasting time and money and get to watch this awful season, look at east standing :facepalm

in the east, outside your favourite team and heat/pacers very few match has been watchable,

the silver lining:there are some emerging underdog like portland and suns, who have been fun to watch, and there's comedic gold like NYK and nets

[gts]

This would encourage them to tank even harder if they are guaranteed the best pick. Right now the worst team only gets a 25% chance at the #1 pick. No one is tanking to get the 6th worst recording thinking they will get the #1 pick right now.

Nah... There will always be one or two clearly bad teams that are not tanking, they just suck you don't worry about the.

The object is to stop the larger numbers of teams from losing just enough games to be in the lottery or to increase their number of ping pong balls...

That's the tanking you want to go after.

[VIntageNOvel]

Nah... There will always be one or two clearly bad teams that are not tanking, they just suck you don't worry about the.

The object is to stop the larger numbers of teams from losing just enough games to be in the lottery or to increase their number of ping pong balls...

That's the tanking you want to go after.

not really, in the case of heavy talent like next year, which top 6 most likely would guaranteed you a franchise player (wiggin, parker, randle, embiid, exum, smart), there would still plenty of em tanking, to make it worse more team would be as bold as jazz, and there would be a race for worst record

[wakencdukest]

no problem for the team,

but problem for us audience and fans who wasting time and money and get to watch this awful season, look at east standing :facepalm

in the east, outside your favourite team and heat/pacers very few match has been watchable,

the silver lining:there are some emerging underdog like portland and suns, who have been fun to watch, and there's comedic gold like NYK and nets


I don't think that is due to tanking. I think it's a mixture of injuries, bad management, poor team chemistry, rebuilding, etc. There's teams in the East like the Nets, Knicks, Bulls, that should be good but for the above reasons they just aren't.

[Dunaprenti]

1. one cannot own their own draft pick,
2. at the end of the season, the worst record can first choose which team draft pick they will get, followed by the second worst..and so on..


So the second worst team will have the 1 pick?
And having two number 1 picks in a row is probably rare, so the rule about consecutive years wont change much.
What about deducting money from the tv rights for the worst teams?

[hawkfan]

Get rid of the weighted lottery system.
Make it where every team has a chance.
That way there is no motivation to lose games. Also this allows teams to develop young players. Right now teams have to balance developing young players with trying to lose to get a better chance in the lottery. And then some of these young players develop bad habits.

[Crystallas]

Tanking is better self corrected as is.

[FKAri]

I don't think the teams themselves are tanking as much as the hardcore fans might want them to. The organization still wants to sell tickets for the current season.

[The JKidd Kid]

Really great idea. Probably needs a few more restrictions but very well done. :applause:

[Amar'e_Juwanna]

NEW SPIN ON THIS IDEA -

Teams get to choose the team whose pick they receive based on record, for the NEXT YEAR. Teams' organizations would be very involved and interested in the performance of other teams, but the essential point is still maintained -

The success of a team on a single-year basis does not guarantee draft position. In fact, if the worst team in the league (bucks) end with the worst record, and select the Magic for their NEXT YEAR's pick (they get to draft according to the magic's record), the Magic might take it as a slight and try to have a great record, to ensure that the bucks get a bad pick.

What do you think? The ultimate goal is to have as many teams as possible, all of them if possible, TRYING TO WIN.s

[secund2nun]

They should put all or some of the lottery teams in a condensed lottery playoffs and the winner gets the #1 pick, runner up gets #2 etc. The lottery playoffs can begin after the real playoffs. It will also generate more revenue because of increased interest especially from the fans of the bottom feeders. It can even be single elimination. Home court is decided based on regular season standings. This will stop tanking because you will actually have to win the tournament and home field helps as well.

Imagine if they had this in the past: It's the final game in the lottery finals...4th quarter....the bobcats' buzzer beater fails and the hornets win the Anthony Davis title.

[InfiniteBaskets]

Most of the eastern teams' struggles are not due to tanking, it's due to straight up sucking and to a smaller degree, injuries.

[Jameerthefear]

Get rid of the weighted lottery system.
Make it where every team has a chance.
That way there is no motivation to lose games. Also this allows teams to develop young players. Right now teams have to balance developing young players with trying to lose to get a better chance in the lottery. And then some of these young players develop bad habits.
Hell no. Imagine if Miami or OKC got the 1st pick. That shit isn't right.

[longtime lurker]

Just make it a weighted lottery based on the past 3 years where an improvement in your record increases your chances of getting the #1 pick. You've taken any incentive out of being a shitty team year after year. It would actually be good for treadmill teams who are continually stuck at the bottom of the lottery in no man's land.

[VIntageNOvel]

So the second worst team will have the 1 pick?
And having two number 1 picks in a row is probably rare, so the rule about consecutive years wont change much.
What about deducting money from the tv rights for the worst teams?


NEW SPIN ON THIS IDEA -

Teams get to choose the team whose pick they receive based on record, for the NEXT YEAR. Teams' organizations would be very involved and interested in the performance of other teams, but the essential point is still maintained -

The success of a team on a single-year basis does not guarantee draft position. In fact, if the worst team in the league (bucks) end with the worst record, and select the Magic for their NEXT YEAR's pick (they get to draft according to the magic's record), the Magic might take it as a slight and try to have a great record, to ensure that the bucks get a bad pick.

What do you think? The ultimate goal is to have as many teams as possible, all of them if possible, TRYING TO WIN.s


SOrry yeah i mean for next year
it just like the poster above said, thats the point

[Sarcastic]

Nothing wrong with tanking. Stop trying to fix something that isn't broken.

[b1imtf]

Get rid of the weighted lottery system.
Make it where every team has a chance.
That way there is no motivation to lose games. Also this allows teams to develop young players. Right now teams have to balance developing young players with trying to lose to get a better chance in the lottery. And then some of these young players develop bad habits.
Yes, let's just give Miami or OKC Wiggins/Parker/Randle

[I<3NBA]

hey, i've got this new idea. it's so groundbreaking no one's ever thought of it!

why don't we demote the team with the worst record in both conferences down to D-League and then promote the 2 best teams in the D-League in the NBA?

[b1imtf]

hey, i've got this new idea. it's so groundbreaking no one's ever thought of it!

why don't we demote the team with the worst record in both conferences down to D-League and then promote the 2 best teams in the D-League in the NBA?
And where would the D-League teams play? They'd need bigger courts and stuff like that...

[VIntageNOvel]

err can we focus more on the OP:coleman:

[justin12140]

err can we focus more on the OP:coleman:
Wouldnt the team with the worst record in a situation like this just take the 2nd worse teams pick and vice versa for the 2nd pick. Like for the most part it would just be lottery teams taking picks from other lottery teams. I dont see how it really changes anything.

Not to mention, how do you expect teams to accurately chose another teams pick to take before the FA/Trade period starts. Or how this effects the trading of picks too.

[russwest0]

"But if they got rid of the lottery then teams would tank!!!"

Someone explain this logic to me please. Teams currently tank right now, it wouldn't change a thing. No FA's would sign with a team intentionally tanking with 0 losses, no players would stay on that team. It'd be a fcking crapshoot, the tanking will never exceed the level it is at this season.

The bottom line is the lottery is a failed system. D Rose to Chicago is proof of that. People need to stop overcomplicating it. Just give the worst team the highest pick. It makes the most logical sense. If a team wants to take to 0 losses then let them be the laughing stock of the league and be a doormat for the rest of the league 4 years down the line.

[Amar'e_Juwanna]

Wouldnt the team with the worst record in a situation like this just take the 2nd worse teams pick and vice versa for the 2nd pick. Like for the most part it would just be lottery teams taking picks from other lottery teams. I dont see how it really changes anything.

Not to mention, how do you expect teams to accurately chose another teams pick to take before the FA/Trade period starts. Or how this effects the trading of picks too.

Why don't you feckin read the OP before posting!?

Draft position is based on the relative performance of the team that you chose LAST YEAR. also, no criss-crossing of picks. this eliminates tanking, or does a lot to help eliminate it. trading of picks becomes more complex.

[Amar'e_Juwanna]

Nothing wrong with tanking. Stop trying to fix something that isn't broken.

Handle/post combo... It is broken. most teams this year are TRYING to lose.

[Sarcastic]

Handle/post combo... It is broken. most teams this year are TRYING to lose.


And there is nothing wrong with that.

[justin12140]

Why don't you feckin read the OP before posting!?

Draft position is based on the relative performance of the team that you chose LAST YEAR. also, no criss-crossing of picks. this eliminates tanking, or does a lot to help eliminate it. trading of picks becomes more complex.

lol calm down there. I did read the op, you just didnt understand me. All your doing is slowing down rebuilds and adding on a whole lot of uncertainty into a problem I dont really think exists. For example, Lets suppose for a minute the Heat lose Lebron & Bosh, and wade retires this off season. The heat finish the 14-15 season with a 20-62 record. Since last season they were a playoff team, they probably wouldnt even get a lottery pick until the 2016 draft.

So on top of not getting a lottery pick in the same year your a lottery team, you have to base your pick on ANOTHER team's record. What would stop teams/players from trying to intentionally injure players from other teams? All it takes is placing your foot under 1 or 2 players feet and bam, now you've just increased your odds of getting a better pick.

Secondly, people on this board act like tanking is such a huge problem in the NBA. The only teams that tank are the ones that already suck and that usually doesnt even start happening till the second half of the season.

[wagexslave]

The most simple and logical way to get rid of tanking is to put only 1 ping pong ball each for all 14 lottery teams and just randomly pick them 1 at a time until they're all gone and the exact order they're picked in decides first-to-last which order every lottery team gets to draft in.

If all lottery teams have the exact same chances to get any spot in the top-14 picks, then it doesn't give any of the teams an incentive to lose more games. And that's the problem with the current draft format... there's way too much of an incentive to lose. There should NEVER be incentive to lose more games.

[justin12140]

So Im just curious, we have one of the biggest drafts in years coming up and everyone on this board believes there is some massive tanking go on right now by the Eastern Conference. So as of right now the lottery teams are Cleveland, Chicago, Brooklyn, New York, Orlando, Philly, and Milwaukee.

So right off the bat you know NY, BK, Chi, & Cleveland aren't trying to tank and legitimately suck. That leaves Orlando, Philly, and Milwaukee. Milwaukee is just legitimately a bad team. They've dealt with injuries from Knight, Butler, and Sanders. The 76ers are the youngest team in the league and 8/15 players have 1 NBA season or less under their belt. No way a team that young does anything. Magic are young too, but they have a ton of veterans.

So we'll say that the Magic & the Raptors (cause their in the process of moving decent older player they have) are the only teams in the East actively trying to tank. I just really dont see why everyone on this site gets so caught up in "tanking".

[I<3NBA]

And where would the D-League teams play? They'd need bigger courts and stuff like that...
they take the arenas of the ousted teams.

[WagonJumper]

Just create lottery playoff. The worst 8 teams form a playoff with the winner take first pick and so on. That way teams cant go full retard tanking and more games means more revenue.

[VIntageNOvel]

Just create lottery playoff. The worst 8 teams form a playoff with the winner take first pick and so on. That way teams cant go full retard tanking and more games means more revenue.


this is actually not a bad idea at all,
nah why stop at 8,
all 14 should compete with each other,
so there would be 2 playoff,
one for the bottom feeder

[b1imtf]

they take the arenas of the ousted teams.
Owners wouldn't want that...

[justin12140]

this is actually not a bad idea at all,
nah why stop at 8,
all 14 should compete with each other,
so there would be 2 playoff,
one for the bottom feeder
So the best lottery teams should get the better picks and (for the most part) the better players. Like I've already said all this would do is cause the worse seeded playoff teams to tank just enough to miss it. Doesnt make the awful teams better, just the mediocre ones. This isnt a fix. Not even that, but what incentive would lottery teams have to win these "playoffs" if they traded their pick away?


Owners wouldn't want that...
Not only that but the entire premise is just incredibly stupid. You would literally be sending a team of NBA players down to the D-League and calling up a full team of D-Leaguers. Call up the D-League all star team and they would still be the worst team in the league. Then you have to ask what happens to the NBA players that are now in the D-League? What happens to the NBA players (like rookies) that are on these "called up" D League teams. Do players on called up D-League teams get paid NBA salaries?

I'm not trying to come off as rude or anything to anybody in this thread, but a whole lot of yall just are not thinking these things all the way through.

[Sarcastic]

There is no counter to tanking, as long as there is a reason for teams to tank. Teams tank because in doing so, they have a chance to get better players. The only way to stop the tanking is to take away the reason that they tank in the first place, ie the draft. Let players come into the league as free agents and pick their teams, and I guarantee you no team will ever think of tanking again.

Not only that, but if you got rid of the draft, then teams would be forced to go upgrade all their arenas and facilities without waiting for the cities that harbor them to pay for it all.

[GOBB]

There is no counter to tanking, as long as there is a reason for teams to tank. Teams tank because in doing so, they have a chance to get better players. The only way to stop the tanking is to take away the reason that they tank in the first place, ie the draft. Let players come into the league as free agents and pick their teams, and I guarantee you no team will ever think of tanking again.

Not only that, but if you got rid of the draft, then teams would be forced to go upgrade all their arenas and facilities without waiting for the cities that harbor them to pay for it all.

Teams would still tank. They would just do what the NYK did. Clear tons of cap space so they can sign Lebron James, Wade, Dirk, Bosh only to end up with Stoudemire, Chandler and and well you get the idea.

[ILLsmak]

Nothing wrong with tanking. Stop trying to fix something that isn't broken.

giving other teams wins skews the whole system. I'm sure most people believe that if a team is tanking all teams with benefit equally, but that's not true because they don't play every team the same amount. They are mostly tanking against good teams, too. When two tanking teams play, someone has to win.

Not competing is always bad, especially when you consider a lot of the tanking teams can't keep the players they draft. It's just hard to fix with so much corruption. If this world was fair, then you could just have a committee that would choose the player for each team based on need.

But it's not...

They could make it so that if you got a top pick you'd be put in tourney next year before playoffs and the winners were the 8th seeds, and even if you lost, you'd not get to pick high again.

But we gotta stop these bad teams from giving wins to good teams. It messes up everything. Inflates wins, inflates stats, encourages people to not go to games or watch (oh it's just the Bobcats...)

-Smak

[Sarcastic]

Teams would still tank. They would just do what the NYK did. Clear tons of cap space so they can sign Lebron James, Wade, Dirk, Bosh only to end up with Stoudemire, Chandler and and well you get the idea.


Knicks weren't tanking. They just gave Donnie Walsh 2 years to not worry about winning. In fact he hired D'Antoni because he thought he would help them WIN more games during the 2 years that they tried to clear cap space.

[(e)]

The current system isn't really isn't that bad.

If I were to change something, I'd bring back a system that was more similar to the old one. The minor tweak is don't stop after the first 3 picks, let it decide the order for the entire lottery.

Basic breakdown of how it works. If you finish last, you get 14 "chances" at landing the first pick. Finish 29th, and you get 13 chances, and so on, until the first team out of the Playoffs, who would get one chance at landing the 1st pick.

Add all those chances up and you get 105. Worst team gets 14 chances out of 105 at the first pick (13.33%). Team that just missed the Playoffs 1 chance out of 105 gives them a 0.95% chance at the 1st pick.

That's how the old system worked, but they only did it for the first 3 picks. I say let it go on for all the teams, as it would give it a little more "randomness."

At the very least, it would at least make the process more entertaining to watch than what it is now.

[WagonJumper]

So the best lottery teams should get the better picks and (for the most part) the better players. Like I've already said all this would do is cause the worse seeded playoff teams to tank just enough to miss it. Doesnt make the awful teams better, just the mediocre ones. This isnt a fix. Not even that, but what incentive would lottery teams have to win these "playoffs" if they traded their pick away?



Lottery playoff can be limit to bottom 6 teams of the league. A conference top 8 teams is a huge drop off compare to worst 6 teams in the league. Even if teams did what u suggest tank to beat lottery playoff, other teams would follow it too. Wouldnt the lottery playoff gets more exciting? About incentive on traded picks, they can put pick protection like current lottery pick is protected. Is all about negotiations.

[GOBB]

Knicks weren't tanking. They just gave Donnie Walsh 2 years to not worry about winning. In fact he hired D'Antoni because he thought he would help them WIN more games during the 2 years that they tried to clear cap space.

There isnt much of a difference between that and what teams like my Sixers are doing now. Case in point how many games did the NYK win in those 2 years they tried to clear cap space? Teams would still look to do that if you eliminated the draft. So fans are watching a roster of guys who wont be here too long as the front office is banking on luring a dominant free agent class there. Teams can put out the "we are trying to win" theme when in reality they are banking on that free agent class that makes them drool.

2015 I think may be a free agent class that should be loaded. I could be wrong.

My point is you eliminate the draft teams will still trade for expirers to free up cap room and spend wild in free agency. That is more wreckless than what teams are doing now in terms of the draft.

Speaking of which your team faces financial decisions.

[justin12140]

giving other teams wins skews the whole system. I'm sure most people believe that if a team is tanking all teams with benefit equally, but that's not true because they don't play every team the same amount. They are mostly tanking against good teams, too. When two tanking teams play, someone has to win.

Not competing is always bad, especially when you consider a lot of the tanking teams can't keep the players they draft. It's just hard to fix with so much corruption. If this world was fair, then you could just have a committee that would choose the player for each team based on need.

But it's not...

They could make it so that if you got a top pick you'd be put in tourney next year before playoffs and the winners were the 8th seeds, and even if you lost, you'd not get to pick high again.

But we gotta stop these bad teams from giving wins to good teams. It messes up everything. Inflates wins, inflates stats, encourages people to not go to games or watch (oh it's just the Bobcats...)

-Smak
Your pretty much arguing that bad teams should stop losing to good teams. There bad, of course they'll lose. In your opinion how many teams, and which teams are tanking?

[Sarcastic]

giving other teams wins skews the whole system. I'm sure most people believe that if a team is tanking all teams with benefit equally, but that's not true because they don't play every team the same amount. They are mostly tanking against good teams, too. When two tanking teams play, someone has to win.

Not competing is always bad, especially when you consider a lot of the tanking teams can't keep the players they draft. It's just hard to fix with so much corruption. If this world was fair, then you could just have a committee that would choose the player for each team based on need.

But it's not...

They could make it so that if you got a top pick you'd be put in tourney next year before playoffs and the winners were the 8th seeds, and even if you lost, you'd not get to pick high again.

But we gotta stop these bad teams from giving wins to good teams. It messes up everything. Inflates wins, inflates stats, encourages people to not go to games or watch (oh it's just the Bobcats...)

-Smak

There is nothing wrong with giving other teams wins. It's not like world hunger is on the line. It's sports entertainment. Teams tank because they feel the long term benefit of potentially landing a franchise player offsets the short term loss of losing a few extra games in a season in which a championship is impossible anyway.


Go look at any sport that does not have a draft. No team ever tanks in those leagues. Model the NBA after those sports, and tanking would go away.

[Sarcastic]

There isnt much of a difference between that and what teams like my Sixers are doing now. Case in point how many games did the NYK win in those 2 years they tried to clear cap space? Teams would still look to do that if you eliminated the draft. So fans are watching a roster of guys who wont be here too long as the front office is banking on luring a dominant free agent class there. Teams can put out the "we are trying to win" theme when in reality they are banking on that free agent class that makes them drool.

2015 I think may be a free agent class that should be loaded. I could be wrong.

My point is you eliminate the draft teams will still trade for expirers to free up cap room and spend wild in free agency. That is more wreckless than what teams are doing now in terms of the draft.

Speaking of which your team faces financial decisions.


No it's very different. If you told the Knicks they could clear the cap space and win 60 games, they would say "HELL YES". If you told the Sixers you could go with the youth movement and win 60 games this year, they would say "HELL NO", because they want a top pick of the draft this year.

[GOBB]

No it's very different. If you told the Knicks they could clear the cap space and win 60 games, they would say "HELL YES". If you told the Sixers you could go with the youth movement and win 60 games this year, they would say "HELL NO", because they want a top pick of the draft this year.

How many games did the NYK win in those 2 years of clearing cap space? 60 games? :oldlol:

[Sarcastic]

How many games did the NYK win in those 2 years of clearing cap space? 60 games? :oldlol:

They wanted to win more, they just didn't have a good team. There will always be good and bad teams in the league. We are never going to have a league where all teams are 41-41 across the board.


How many times has Manchester or Barcelona ever tanked to land the best soccer players? Did coach K tank so he could get Jabari Parker to go to Duke? Does Nick Saban tank at Alabama to lure the best young football players to his school?

Tanking only occurs in sports that have a draft.

[justin12140]

Lottery playoff can be limit to bottom 6 teams of the league. A conference top 8 teams is a huge drop off compare to worst 6 teams in the league. Even if teams did what u suggest tank to beat lottery playoff, other teams would follow it too. Wouldnt the lottery playoff gets more exciting? About incentive on traded picks, they can put pick protection like current lottery pick is protected. Is all about negotiations.

I just don't understand what this is trying to accomplish though. Are you trying to stop tanking? Cause the teams will still tank to get in the bottom 6, but now all your doing is adding in a Lottery playoffs afterwards. Tell me, do you REALLY want to see a playoff series between the worst 6 teams in the league? You think the league want to broadcast the teams duking it out? You think players of lottery teams want to play in additional games? Especially since the rosters of lottery teams are so volatile too. No player want to play extra games and risk injury to get a pick for a team they might not even play for next year.

And on this quote "Even if teams did what u suggest tank to beat lottery playoff, other teams would follow it too. Wouldnt the lottery playoff gets more exciting?"

Thats what the regular playoffs are for.

[WagonJumper]

I just don't understand what this is trying to accomplish though. Are you trying to stop tanking? Cause the teams will still tank to get in the bottom 6, but now all your doing is adding in a Lottery playoffs afterwards. Tell me, do you REALLY want to see a playoff series between the worst 6 teams in the league? You think the league want to broadcast the teams duking it out? You think players of lottery teams want to play in additional games? Especially since the rosters of lottery teams are so volatile too. No player want to play extra games and risk injury to get a pick for a team they might not even play for next year.

And on this quote "Even if teams did what u suggest tank to beat lottery playoff, other teams would follow it too. Wouldnt the lottery playoff gets more exciting?"

Thats what the regular playoffs are for.

Tanking cant be stop, but putting this lottery playoff would mean those teams would put more effort to achieve those lottery picks. Because right now team like jazz just throwing games away with no effort. About audience viewing, there are always hometown fans supporters, it doesnt have to be nationwide televise. I dont understand no players wants to play part, they are paid professional basketball player. If the league say there is a game, they play aside of injury.

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They wanted to win more, they just didn't have a good team. There will always be good and bad teams in the league. We are never going to have a league where all teams are 41-41 across the board.


How many times has Manchester or Barcelona ever tanked to land the best soccer players? Did coach K tank so he could get Jabari Parker to go to Duke? Does Nick Saban tank at Alabama to lure the best young football players to his school?

Tanking only occurs in sports that have a draft.

NFL has the draft. Where does tanking happen?

There is no problem with tanking any more then front offices intentionally clearing cap space for a free agent seasons that has stars. The problem is front offices being incompetent. Bad talent evaluates, bad cap management.

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Tanking cant be stop, but putting this lottery playoff would mean those teams would put more effort to achieve those lottery picks. Because right now team like jazz just throwing games away with no effort. About audience viewing, there are always hometown fans supporters, it doesnt have to be nationwide televise. I dont understand no players wants to play part, they are paid professional basketball player. If the league say there is a game, they play aside of injury.

Like I've already said, the nba has a system in place that puts the worst teams in the league in a position to make themselves better. There is no need for a "lottery playoff". You'd would be giving the worst teams in the league worse picks than teams that are better than them. Do you not think that fans having to sit through years of being a lottery team is not enough trouble?

Lottery teams are almost always at the bottom of league attendance. idk why you think pitting them against other lottery teams in some playoffs for picks will suddenly make people want to go watch.

Yeah I guess, but the league, owners, nor players would ever want to do this. Makes no sense for everyone involved.

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NFL has the draft. Where does tanking happen?

There is no problem with tanking any more then front offices intentionally clearing cap space for a free agent seasons that has stars. The problem is front offices being incompetent. Bad talent evaluates, bad cap management.


Colts tanked for Luck.

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Not only that but the entire premise is just incredibly stupid. You would literally be sending a team of NBA players down to the D-League and calling up a full team of D-Leaguers. Call up the D-League all star team and they would still be the worst team in the league. Then you have to ask what happens to the NBA players that are now in the D-League? What happens to the NBA players (like rookies) that are on these "called up" D League teams. Do players on called up D-League teams get paid NBA salaries?

I'm not trying to come off as rude or anything to anybody in this thread, but a whole lot of yall just are not thinking these things all the way through.
i have actually thought about this a lot.

first, owners retain the franchise (name and all), and the arena. the only thing changing really are the players, coaching staff, and front office. all of them would get sent down to D-League. their D-League equivalents go up and occupy their places. all the players, coaches, and front office guys that got sent down can go back to the NBA - but only after a period of 1 year. coaches and front office guys can look for jobs and apply again to any team after a year. players sign up for the draft (yes. they join the draft again and if picked, gets rookie deals AGAIN) (if you're still not realizing the implications of this, then lol)

with all these heavy penalties, do you think one team would like to get sent down? everyone would fight tooth and nail just to avoid relegation. as for the d-leaguers going up, it doesn't matter really. because they'll soon get sent back down again if they're not good enough. their salaries also remain the same (so the owner is going to pay D-league salary, he's saving millions, which means he has the cap flexibility to sign ANYONE available) on top of that, the system is built to remove bad performers and retain good performers.

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i have actually thought about this a lot.

first, owners retain the franchise (name and all), and the arena. the only thing changing really are the players, coaching staff, and front office. all of them would get sent down to D-League. their D-League equivalents go up and occupy their places. all the players, coaches, and front office guys that got sent down can go back to the NBA - but only after a period of 1 year. coaches and front office guys can look for jobs and apply again to any team after a year. players sign up for the draft (yes. they join the draft again and if picked, gets rookie deals AGAIN) (if you're still not realizing the implications of this, then lol)

with all these heavy penalties, do you think one team would like to get sent down? everyone would fight tooth and nail just to avoid relegation. as for the d-leaguers going up, it doesn't matter really. because they'll soon get sent back down again if they're not good enough. their salaries also remain the same (so the owner is going to pay D-league salary, he's saving millions, which means he has the cap flexibility to sign ANYONE available) on top of that, the system is built to remove bad performers and retain good performers.
lol nah, you clearly haven't given it a good thought if you think this is a good idea. Imma make a list of everything wrong with this:

1) First off, you never even specify how a draft would work in this system. Does the worst seeded team in the league get the #1 pick? Does the #1 pick go with the NBA players to the D-league or does he stay with the D-leaguers in the NBA? If he does stay in the NBA and this team is one of the 2 worst teams again next year does that mean another team can now draft him only 2 years after he was originally drafted?

2) Your literally putting a team of D-leagurs in the NBA. No one wants that. The league doesn't, The owners don't, and the fans don't either. There just not good enough to compete with these players and your putting an awful product on the floor. I know your just gunna say that if there that bad then they'll be sent back to the D-League, but then wtf is the point? Do you not see a problem with this? Your punishing a team for being bad by making them worse. While were at it, lets make the 2 worst teams forfeit all picks for that year. Then no team would ever tank! /s

3) The whole cap space situation with the D-League salaries isnt even relevant, because no one is going to sign there. You think even a decent nba player is going to sign a contract to play with 14 D-Leaguers? Especially since they WILL be a bottom 2 team. So essentially your telling him, sign for our team even though next year you'll have to play in the D-League and wont be allowed back into the NBA for a full season

4) You dont find anything wrong about putting players that have already been drafted back into the draft? Such an awful idea. First of all what happens if a player signs a 4 year contract with the organization. Is he forced to forfeit his potential earnings to enter the draft? The NBAPA would NEVER NEVER NEVER support forcing veterans to take rookie contracts. They've paid their due, and they should be entitled to their market value. Not only that, but what happens to college/foreign players? Do they now have to forfeit a better salary/lottery position/ or even draft position because players that have already entered the NBA must re-enter?

5) This system isn't ment to "remove bad performers and maintain good ones". Your punishing teams for being bad, players for being on bad teams, and FO for fielding bad teams. Like just think about it. Your pretty much telling all NBA players/coaches that if you happen to be on or sign for a bottom team (should be their decision to make) we will suspend you from the league for a year. Then if your a player you must renter the league through a draft process (and presumably sign a rookie contract like all draftees do)

And in case you didnt even feel like reading that, tell me who benefits from this change. The League? Nope. The Owner? Nope. The Coaches/FOs? Nope. The players? Nope. The Fans? Nope. The whole idea is just really stupid. who the **** would want this?