is the Kobe contract the worst NBA signing of all-time?

[TonyMontana]

There have been some bad contracts. Guys like Rashard Lewis and Amare Stoudemire. However at least those guys gave their teams legit production in the first year or two of their deals.

The Lakers made a Kobe that was FINISHED the highest paid player in the league. :roll: And every knowledgable basketball mind knew that he was done. He actually has a NEGATIVE WIN SHARE TOTAL. -0.3 is the number. I would be impressed if someone could name a single worst player in the league. Just from browsing some of the bottom feeders in the league Kobe is tied as the worst player in the league. His company is Jamal Tinsley and John Lucas of the Jazz. And Kobe is on a team far better than the Jazz. The very worst player in the league is actually the highest paid. Yes this is real.

Frankly I feel bad for the true Laker fans(about 5% of all Laker fans,95% just suck Kobe). The franchise showed it cares more about making money off of idiots than it does getting back to winning. Kobe will cripple their CAP making them nonplayers for free agency, and basically irrelevant.

Does LA even have their first round draft picks the next few years?

[lakerspng]

how is this guy still allowed to post?

honest question.

[Black and White]

Hey TonyMontana, you are a dickface,

However I will answer your question, Rashard Lewis and Joe Johnson were way worse than Kobes contract signing. Gilbert Arenas too.

[NumberSix]

It's better than Roses contract.

Isn't Arenas the 2nd or 3rd highest paid player this season?

[Jameerthefear]

Hey TonyMontana, you are a dickface,

However I will answer your question, Rashard Lewis and Joe Johnson were way worse than Kobes contract signing. Gilbert Arenas too.
i think his point is that kobe was at his worse when he was given a good contract. at least all those players were peaked/about to peak

[Droid101]

how is this guy still allowed to post?

honest question.
^ ^

[Black and White]

i think his point is that kobe was at his worse when he was given a good contract. at least all those players were peaked/about to peak

Still doesn't make it a bad contract signing does it?? Nobody had thought Kobe was going to come back and be a 10-11ppg guy, they all knew the type of player he was and if he thought he couldn't come back and score well he wouldn't have come back at all, so the answer is no, it's not the worst.

[Wang Zhi Zhi]

very insightful post op, would read again

[longtime lurker]

i think his point is that kobe was at his worse when he was given a good contract. at least all those players were peaked/about to peak

Automatic loss for trying to defend Tony Montana

[Black and White]

Automatic loss for trying to defend Tony Montana

:roll: :roll: Jameer got burned right here

[TonyMontana]

Hey TonyMontana, you are a dickface,

However I will answer your question, Rashard Lewis and Joe Johnson were way worse than Kobes contract signing. Gilbert Arenas too.

I actually think the Rashard Lewis signing was a good move by Orlando. Even in hindsight. He was a perfect fit next to Howard in that frontcourt. Sure they paid him more than he was worth, but you have to do that to get marquee free agents. Not a coincidence Orlando declined heavily when they traded him.

Joe Johnson was a bad signing, but I can argue that Kobe is one of if not the worst player in the league. And he is the highest paid! Not to mention they gave him the extension while he was recovering from a possible career ending injury and they had yet to see him play a game. 6 games later and hes out again. :roll:


It's better than Roses contract.

Isn't Arenas the 2nd or 3rd highest paid player this season?

Part of evaluating a "bad contract" means looking at it making sense at the time. The Bulls signed Rose after his MVP season for 5 years/94 million. This was before all his injuries. Now if they signed him to that after his injuries then yea it MIGHT be on the Kobe tier, but Rose is still young as well.

The Lakers made a 35 year old liability who just suffered a possible career threatening injury the highest paid player in the game while crippling their cap. I'm not sure if LA even has first round draft picks. Didn't they give them up for Nash and Howard?

Arenas contract was awful, good suggestion.

[Black and White]

I actually think the Rashard Lewis signing was a good move by Orlando. Even in hindsight. He was a perfect fit next to Howard in that frontcourt. Sure they paid him more than he was worth, but you have to do that to get marquee free agents. Not a coincidence Orlando declined heavily when they traded him.

Joe Johnson was a bad signing, but I can argue that Kobe is one of if not the worst player in the league. And he is the highest paid! Not to mention they gave him the extension while he was recovering from a possible career ending injury and they had yet to see him play a game. 6 games later and hes out again. :roll:


This right here discredits your whole post

[moe94]

:roll: :roll: Jameer got burned right here

How?

Literally all I'm seeing in this thread is ad hominem. Fend off the notorious troll that is Tony with some logic instead of dismissing him. He's not talking out of his ass. He's trying to bring up an argument and is defending it. The least you can do is the same. Prove how he's a moron.

[Trollsmasher]

Still doesn't make it a bad contract signing does it?? Nobody had thought Kobe was going to come back and be a 10-11ppg guy, they all knew the type of player he was and if he thought he couldn't come back and score well he wouldn't have come back at all, so the answer is no, it's not the worst.
Weird how this always happen when bad contracts are given out.

There might a connection.

[Droid101]

He's trying to bring up an argument and is defending it.
No he isn't.

He posts the same trolly shit every single time. He never brings a logical argument to the table. All he tries to do is rile people up. That's the very definition of a troll. And people need to stop responding to idiotic troll posts; it's the only way they'll ever stop.

[Black and White]

Weird how this always happen when bad contracts are given out.

There might a connection.

We still don't know what Kobe is yet, we can't make that assumption until he has played at least more than 15-20 games or so.

[Black and White]

How?

Literally all I'm seeing in this thread is ad hominem. Fend off the notorious troll that is Tony with some logic instead of dismissing him. He's not talking out of his ass. He's trying to bring up an argument and is defending it. The least you can do is the same. Prove how he's a moron.

Look at the post I bolded from him, that proves he is a moron


I actually think the Rashard Lewis signing was a good move by Orlando. Even in hindsight. He was a perfect fit next to Howard in that frontcourt. Sure they paid him more than he was worth, but you have to do that to get marquee free agents. Not a coincidence Orlando declined heavily when they traded him.

Joe Johnson was a bad signing, but I can argue that Kobe is one of if not the worst player in the league. And he is the highest paid! Not to mention they gave him the extension while he was recovering from a possible career ending injury and they had yet to see him play a game. 6 games later and hes out again. :roll:

[Trollsmasher]

We still don't know what Kobe is yet, we can't make that assumption until he has played at least more than 15-20 games or so.
For sure. It is too soon to reach the conclusion, but if Kobe sucks, you can't use "nobody thought about it" excuse.

[KyleKong]

It's better than Roses contract.

Isn't Arenas the 2nd or 3rd highest paid player this season?

Yes :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Black and White]

For sure. It is too soon to reach the conclusion, but if Kobe sucks, you can't use "nobody thought about it" excuse.

It's not really an excuse, I will hold him accountable if he does not get back to 3/4 of what he was before the injury. But until then, to suggest he is the worst contract signing in history isn't right.

[TonyMontana]

This right here discredits your whole post

Have you seen the Lakers? Jodie Meeks and Nick Young look much better out there when Kobe does. The only thing Kobe brings to the table anymore is his "legendary aura" of being Kobe. As far as winning games goes he does more harm than good.

I challenge you to find a player this year who has less win shares than Kobe. And this is with Kobe only playing 6 games. His winshares per 48 is historically bad.


No he isn't.

He posts the same trolly shit every single time. He never brings a logical argument to the table. All he tries to do is rile people up. That's the very definition of a troll. And people need to stop responding to idiotic troll posts; it's the only way they'll ever stop.

says the guy that posts in literally EVERY thread I make bitching, but never once brings any sort of argument to the table.

Mad

[coin24]

Another awesome thread OP..:applause:

How is this f@ggot not banned?

[coin24]

Tony = moe = trollsmasher

Sad loser responding to himself:roll: :roll:

[moe94]

Tony = moe = trollsmasher

Sad loser responding to himself:roll: :roll:

How do you explain all of us being online at once?

Tony is an idiot, but at least prove it first.

http://s22.postimg.org/m60vpsi1t/avatarkobe2.jpg

[Black and White]

Tony prove how Kobe is the worst in the league

[KG215]

Tony prove how Kobe is the worst in the league
Because an extremely small sample size of win shares say so dammit!

[KyrieTheFuture]

He's right, purely production wise he was legitimately awful and he's gonna get paid more than anyone to be awful.

Edit: definitely not the worst, but a very bad contract for sure.

[Black and White]

Because an extremely small sample size of win shares say so dammit!

:roll: :roll:

[gts]

He's right, purely production wise he was legitimately awful and he's gonna get paid more than anyone to be awful.

Edit: definitely not the worst, but a very bad contract for sure.

And you're basing this off of the first 17 years in the league or his last 4 games?

[moe94]

Because an extremely small sample size of win shares say so dammit!
:bowdown:

[Heavincent]

Kobe had more win shares than Shaq in the 01 playoffs.

[NumberSix]

Kobe had more win shares than Shaq in the 01 playoffs.
Shaq had more FMVPs in the 2001 playoffs doe.

[Heavincent]

Shaq had more FMVPs in the 2001 playoffs doe.

The all important win shares stat indicates that Kobe got robbed doe.

[SilkkTheShocker]

OP is 100% correct. :applause:

[TonyMontana]

The all important win shares stat indicates that Kobe got robbed doe.

Shaqs winshares were higher in the 2001 Finals(where the Finals MVP is given) against DPOY Mutombo.

good try though

[Black and White]

Answer the question Tony

[Hoopz2332]

http://i.imgur.com/gVL875R.jpg

[TheMarkMadsen]

Well considering he has yet to play a game under his new contract..

Which doesn't even kick in until next year.

[Mr. Jabbar]

is the Kobe contract the worst signing of all-time?

your account ISH approval ranks lower

[Nick Young]

5 rings. Kobe is better then the entire league:rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:


Mitch GOATchak giving Gawdbe the contract he deserves

[Fresh Kid]

no:kobe: your account iz tha worst ISH signing of all-time tho:coleman:

[NumberSix]

5 rings. Kobe is better then the entire league:rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:


Mitch GOATchak giving Gawdbe the contract he deserves
Does Derek Fisher deserve the same contract?

[zoom17]

It was premature no doubt

[STATUTORY]

i think his point is that kobe was at his worse when he was given a good contract. at least all those players were peaked/about to peak

damn I feel bad for Jameer, still loitering and lurking on this forum even after being banned

reading this place while not being able to post must be like watching porn and refrained from *********ing

[poido123]

Kobe wouldn't have to do a damn thing on the basketball court right now and he's worth that money many times over.

Heard of a thing called revenue?

Kobe's popularity accross China and throughout the world, makes him a big money spinner for the Lakers organisation, but Tony knows that right :oldlol:

I'm a victim of posting in a troll thread, but alot of you do question Kobe's contract. :rolleyes:

[poido123]

OP is 100% correct. :applause:

Stop talking to yourself Silk, we all know you have multiple accounts.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Does Derek Fisher deserve the same contract?

Has derrick fisher ever averaged more than 15ppg in any playoff run? Let alone a championship playoff run?

No?

Ok. Then no.

[50_40_90_]

Michael Redd's contract of over $90 mil was pretty bad

[KyrieTheFuture]

To the people pointing out how much money he makes them, Basketball teams are supposed to win games not turn a profit.

[RedBlackAttack]

It's definitely a good idea to judge a brand new, multi-year contract 25 games after it has been signed.

[50_40_90_]

In the mid 90s Juwan Howard was riding the fab five hype and a 22pt 8 reb season.

Which, in the minds of the Washington Bullets front office, was worthy of a max deal...

... to the tune of over $120 million.

[gts]

It's definitely a good idea to judge a brand new, multi-year contract 25 games after it has been signed.

Remember this is ISH where one win equals a streak, a loss means it's time to fire the coach, make a big trade with no assets or tear the team apart so we may as well judge a contract for next season a year early

[KingLeBronJames]

Too early to tell.