Wiggins vs. Embiid vs. Parker: Who Should Be #1 Pick in the NBA Draft?

[IGOTGAME]

This is shaping up to be a very difficult choice. They are all supremely talented players but who should be #1?

Personally, I have:

1. Embiid
2a. Wiggins 2b. Parker

[Baliod]

Embiid > Parker > Wiggins imo

[Nash]

damn that embiid is a big dude with a alot of basketball in him. Let's hope MIlwaukee get Embiid, Utah get their mormon and Toronto get their Canadian.

[Fudge]

Wiggins still, and Wiggins will be numero uno.

[The JKidd Kid]

1. Embiid
2. Wiggins
3. Parker

The one thing that I really don't like about Parker is his lack of foot speed. The kid is a defensive liability on the perimeter because he can't stay in front of anyone the kid looks like Brook Lopez out there. This is one of those things that isn't going to get better over time and I doubt he will ever become even an adequate defender let alone a good one. Also his lack of foot speed means he will be taking a lot of jump shots at the next level.

Wiggins has great potential, he has all the athletics necessities and a great shooting form. Everything for him now is mental and improving his handle which are very easily taught.

From the second I watched Embiid against Iona I knew that he would end up number one. The kids only problem is that he shies away from contact, but he's so quick and skilled that that probably won't be a huge problem at the next level if he puts on some muscle. Other than that he is literally the perfect center. Hell, he even has the potential to be a 3pt threat.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I would actually want Randle. He has the potential to be an offensively dominant big man in the paint. I'm not sure the NBA has even one dominant low post scorer right now. Wiggins and Parker may be more talented but what Randle can do is so rare that it will make him a difference maker by default. Tim Duncan was the best big in the game last season and he's nearly 40.

[IGOTGAME]

I would actually want Randle. He has the potential to be an offensively dominant big man in the paint. I'm not sure the NBA has even one dominant low post scorer right now. Wiggins and Parker may be more talented but what Randle can do is so rare that it will make him a difference maker by default. Tim Duncan was the best big in the game last season and he's nearly 40.

I actually think he is gonna struggle more than people realize. He isn't going to be able to just bully people in the NBA and seems a bit small(either height or reach). Plus, he isn't a good shooter and is turnover prone. idk, he has really disappointed me when ive watched him this year. I think he will be good(get some into some all star games) but won't be a franchise changer. Could be wrong tho, I hope he is a dominate scorer because id love to see it.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The thing is we are seeing the entire league downsize. The current defending champion doesn't even play center. Randle probably won't be Olajuwon but he won't have to be. We would see teams in the current NBA struggle covering Alonzo Mourning. I bet a healthy-back Larry Johnson would be an MVP candidate.

[Bryant]

I would actually want Randle. He has the potential to be an offensively dominant big man in the paint. I'm not sure the NBA has even one dominant low post scorer right now. Wiggins and Parker may be more talented but what Randle can do is so rare that it will make him a difference maker by default. Tim Duncan was the best big in the game last season and he's nearly 40.

Cousins?

But I agree Randle is my favorite.

[Qwyjibo]

As of right now who I'd want for the Raptors:

1. Parker
2. Wiggins
3. Embiid

It's a shame that none of them will be in the 10-14 range where the Raptors will draft. :facepalm

[Real Men Wear Green]

Cousins?

But I agree Randle is my favorite.
Talented guy but before I view him as great it'd be nice to see him lead a team that isn't one of the league's worst at least once.

[Grinder]

I think this year's number one pick will heavily revolve around the team that gets it. A team like Orlando might even go for someone like Marcus Smart or Dante Exum, who knows?

I'm a firm believer in selecting the guy who has the potential to be a dominant big man and for me, that's Joel Embiid.

[IGOTGAME]

The thing is we are seeing the entire league downsize. The current defending champion doesn't even play center. Randle probably won't be Olajuwon but he won't have to be. We would see teams in the current NBA struggle covering Alonzo Mourning. I bet a healthy-back Larry Johnson would be an MVP candidate.

i just think he is gonna have problems with NBA defenders not just centers. he has struggled against college players.

[Grinder]

The thing is we are seeing the entire league downsize. The current defending champion doesn't even play center. Randle probably won't be Olajuwon but he won't have to be. We would see teams in the current NBA struggle covering Alonzo Mourning. I bet a healthy-back Larry Johnson would be an MVP candidate.

The league is definitely downsizing but I think that actually gives teams that can get a dominant 7 footer a bigger advantage. Teams like the Heat and OKC who can win without a center are an exception to the rule, in my opinion. They're able to succeed because they have each have 2 of the most dynamic players in the league with otherworldly talent and athleticism which allows them to play defense in a way that would be considered risky for most other teams.

Look at the success the Pacers, Blazers, Grizzlies (when healthy), and Spurs are enjoying by using 2 traditional big man.

[moe94]

I feel like Embiid just won't pan out, as much as I really wish he does.

[Legends66NBA7]

As of right now who I'd want for the Raptors:

1. Parker
2. Wiggins
3. Embiid

It's a shame that none of them will be in the 10-14 range where the Raptors will draft. :facepalm

No worries, they would have left after a couple of years anyways. Could always package them for more picks.

[alenleomessi]

1. wiggins
2. embiid
3. parker
4. randle
5. exum

[Real Men Wear Green]

The league is definitely downsizing but I think that actually gives teams that can get a dominant 7 footer a bigger advantage. Teams like the Heat and OKC who can win without a center are an exception to the rule, in my opinion. They're able to succeed because they have each have 2 of the most dynamic players in the league with otherworldly talent and athleticism which allows them to play defense in a way that would be considered risky for most other teams.

Look at the success the Pacers, Blazers, Grizzlies (when healthy), and Spurs are enjoying by using 2 traditional big man.
This is true, and that's why I like Randle in the current era more than I would have in the 90s. Big men just aren't being coached up to be great post scorers anymore. Take a guy like Embiid. He does a lot of impressive things as an athlete and I think he has shown signs of a little jumper. But he's not dominating at the NCAA level at all. The given reason is that he's so raw. And he is. But it seems like they're all raw, and too often we see a guy like DeAndre Jordan that stays raw. I'm sold on Embiid as a future defensive force but have no expectations for him as a scorer.
i just think he is gonna have problems with NBA defenders not just centers. he has struggled against college players.
I think the only one that hasn't had ups and downs is Parker and am I'm not even sure about that. We're talking about 19 year-olds, I'm not expecting consistent dominance just yet.

[IGOTGAME]

I think the only one that hasn't had ups and downs is Parker and am I'm not even sure about that. We're talking about 19 year-olds, I'm not expecting consistent dominance just yet.

its not about the ups and downs. its is about every game, even the ups. I just don't see that stuff translating. He isn't going to be able to just jump into everyone's chest and finish. Just isn't gonna work out, at least to the point that he is better than the other prospects imo.

btw...Embiid has been more impressive as a post scorer imo than Randle. One guy has an impressive off hand and counter moves and the other doesn't.

[UConnCeltics]

Not to make a OMGz GOaT DRAFT EVERRRRR post but Marcus Smart, who would have easily gone first overall last year, might not even go in the top half of the lottery this year. Not a bad draft, folks.

My top 10 prospects:
Embiid
Wiggins
Smart
Parker
Exum
LaVine
Randle
Hood
Young
Vonleh

[Real Men Wear Green]

You may know more about them than me, I don't watch a ton of NCAA. I just know that I like what I've seen from Randle whereas when it comes to Embiid he's an afterthought in the team's offense. Just going on the 2 or three part-games.

[longtime lurker]

No worries, they would have left after a couple of years anyways. Could always package them for more picks.

Good lord so pessimistic. Have faith in Masai that he can right the sinking ship that is the Raptors. Their problem has always been trading for an over the hill all star or pseudo all star instead of stocking talent and developing their players in house. That being said Wiggins to Toronto 2014!

[moe94]

Good lord so pessimistic. Have faith in Masai that he can right the sinking ship that is the Raptors. Their problem has always been trading for an over the hill all star or pseudo all star instead of stocking talent and developing their players in house. That being said Wiggins to Toronto 2014!

Say with me, Toronto will never be relevant. Toronto will never be relevant! :(

[veilside23]

embiid is actually more of a scorer right now he gets his block yes but he isnt someone like anthony davis kind of blocker .. at this stage he isnt a banger yet. lets face it guy is a 7 footer but i think cauley stein is better defensively right now than embiid... i maybe wrong but thats how i see it.

Ive already given thoughts about parker he plays like a hybrid of 2/3 players
joe johnson, pierce, melo/ thats his ceiling i think i would be surprise and it would be great if he can be better. so i dont know if he would greatly improve i think what we are seeing now is his game for years to come. He isnt someone like a paul george kinda draftee if i may...

Wiggins to me isnt trying hard enough maybe because of the team he has but whenever he tries he can be unstoppable. I also notice he has been shooting the 3 more often maybe because they dont have a pure shooter. but wiggins has showed flashes that if he gets everything great he can be like a paul george kinda project. am not saying he is going to be equal or like PG. he might be better or not.

Randle is Z-bo with steriods why? because dude can bring the ball end to end and jam in ... but he needs to learn how to play defense.

Smart is making alot of noise if rondo is traded i can see the celtics going after him if they dont get wiggins. You can see oladipo is quite effective i expect smart to actually have a better impact simply because he is built like a bull...

[Qwyjibo]

No worries, they would have left after a couple of years anyways. Could always package them for more picks.
6-7 years. Again, that's plenty of time. I don't think Cleveland regrets the runs they had with Lebron just because he ended up leaving.

No player that ends up great leaves the team that drafts them until their 3rd contract. And even then, there's a chance they stay assuming your management was competent enough to build a winner around them. Something that the Raptors have failed to do twice with Carter and Bosh.

[GOBB]

Randle because I see him being a good interior scorer and he compliments Noel perfectly. One guy offense the other guy defend.

Embiid, don't care we have Noel. You can always flip Noel into something.

This is what I want for sixers. Either of the two

[secund2nun]

Embiid has been my top pick since before the season started. He has some great potential.

[The JKidd Kid]

My Top 10 Prospects:
1. Embiid- Potential to be Hakeem Oljuwon, you don't pass on that
2. Wiggins
3. Exum
4. Randle
5. Parker- I'm not as high on him as everyone else. I think that his lack of foot speed (the kid looks like Brook Lopez out there) is going to eventually force him to play the 4, where he simply isn't big enough.
6. Smart
7. Gordon
8. Vonleh
9. Lavine
10. Cauley-Stein

[GOBB]

Embiid has been my top pick since before the season started. He has some great potential.

How?

[midatlantic09]

wiggins shouldn't be #1 on anyone's list at this point.

shakey handle, limited jumper, doesn't create, rail thin, is mainly a putback and transition guy right now.

[Black and White]

1 - Embiid
2 - Parker
3 - Wiggins
4 - Smart

[Aussie Dunker]

I think that Embiid is nice, and could perhaps turn out to be a super charged prime Jamaal Maglorie (I find a resemblance in their games), but i don't think he has the potential to be "that guy" who can carry a franchise on his back.

I think Parker and Wiggins can be "that guy"

Also Randle and Smart I think could be "that guy"

But I guess it depends which team is drafting - but most young / bad teams have young big studs in place...

In my opinion you would be crazy to draft Embiid over parker / wiggy / randle and even Smart / Dante to some extent...

[Random_Guy]

I think wiggins by default even if he isnt doing well in college ball imo. The nba's rules are just designed to cater to players like him. IMO he could be the next Big Thing, but then again, he could turn out to be Jeff Green. If I was confident I could develop him right, Wiggins in a second. If not? Probably parker.

[G-Funk]

Embiid
Parker
Wiggins

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Jabari easy
Wiggins is the next Rudy Gay

[IGOTGAME]

Embiid is gonna be nice. Getting better with every mimute on the court.

[moe94]

Jabari easy
Wiggins is the next Rudy Gay

Dude found his new LeBron. It's a wrap, Wiggins will reach his hype. :roll:

[KyrieTheFuture]

I have a very hard time believing Embiid will be the best player in the draft. Only pick him top 3 if you already have a guard/wing who can pass well.

[K Xerxes]

I haven't followed this draft talent very much at all, but if Embiid has Hakeem like potential like I've heard some people say... just how do you pass on that?

Don't know if it's true though. Parker seems to be the safest bet right now. Wiggins seems to have a ton of potential too.

[moe94]

I haven't followed this draft talent very much at all, but if Embiid has Hakeem like potential like I've heard some people say... just how do you pass on that?

Don't know if it's true though. Parker seems to be the safest bet right now. Wiggins seems to have a ton of potential too.

He has Hakeem potential like Thabeet had Deke potential, so be careful.

[Nick Young]

Change thread title to "Who should be the Lakers #1 Pick", we goin to the lottery baby:cheers:


For the record, PARKER:rockon:

[GOBB]

Change thread title to "Who should be the Lakers #1 Pick", we goin to the lottery baby:cheers:


For the record, PARKER:rockon:

And Kings are a 3 seed in the East. :roll:

You should probably stop making statements. Look like a bozo in the end. And when have the Lakers ever tanked? Never in your existence on this planet called Earth.

[waseem780]

Embiid is the real deal. Most raw big men only show glimpses of their potential Embiid however is pretty consistent and gets better every game. Just watching him impact the game makes you love his style of play. His impact don't show on the stat sheet

[russwest0]

Dude found his new LeBron. It's a wrap, Wiggins will reach his hype. :roll:

He's actually right though.... Rudy Gay could have been Durant lite, but the dude was too much of a bonehead. Same thing will probably happen to Wiggins. His IQ seems pretty bad based on watching him play or watching him talk.

[russwest0]

I haven't followed this draft talent very much at all, but if Embiid has Hakeem like potential like I've heard some people say... just how do you pass on that?

Don't know if it's true though. Parker seems to be the safest bet right now. Wiggins seems to have a ton of potential too.

Come on man, there will be another Jordan before there is another Hakeem....

[moe94]

He's actually right though.... Rudy Gay could have been Durant lite, but the dude was too much of a bonehead. Same thing will probably happen to Wiggins. His IQ seems pretty bad based on watching him play or watching him talk.

Rudy Gay had great seasons early on and hinted at superstar potential. Just never happened, but he's not even that old so he can still do something. Don't totally count him out.

As for the bold, you said that in another thread and I didn't comment. Just stop. What a pointless thing to suggest. Aside from the fact that using intelligence as a reason why a player cannot be great is beyond stupid, nothing he's ever said or done has hinted to him being a moron. He's just a kid. Let him breathe for now.

[IGOTGAME]

Embiid is the real deal. Most raw big men only show glimpses of their potential Embiid however is pretty consistent and gets better every game. Just watching him impact the game makes you love his style of play. His impact don't show on the stat sheet


I think the everyone always calls Embiid raw bc he is From Cameroon. For a freshman post player he is fairly advanced. He has shown more skill down there then Julius Randle who was suspended to be a young Zach Randolph. Players making the move at 1:35 aren't raw IMO. He may have a lot of room to get better but that is just a function of his immense talent...but from a skill perspective he already has a lot to work with.

http://youtu.be/nuY6nbQ61M8

[tgan3]

I would pick Wiggins, but I dont watch them enough to know

[Pointguard]

I think the everyone always calls Embiid raw bc he is From Cameroon. For a freshman post player he is fairly advanced. He has shown more skill down there then Julius Randle who was suspended to be a young Zach Randolph. Players making the move at 1:35 aren't raw IMO. He may have a lot of room to get better but that is just a function of his immense talent...but from a skill perspective he already has a lot to work with.

http://youtu.be/nuY6nbQ61M8
He might get the raw call because he started playing in 2011 at 16 years old - Hakeem was 15 when he started. In three years it is extremely rare to see anybody doing reverse layups like you show above. And Hakeem rarely got play his freshman year. So Embiid has advanced incredibly quick in three years as he has shown as much of Hakeem's bigman camp than we consistently see from among the two most impressive athletes in the NBA who actually had direct tutoring. I think the moves might have something to do with Soccer training or their approach to certain sports?

He really is still very new to a lot of things but he looks more seasoned than most NBA centers. He does jump hooks with either hand very well with a pretty quick release. Drop steps and quick spins moves to the left hand are absent in a lot of 10 year players. Also a new player doesn't like playing with his speed and quickness. So I think he's raw in terms of his potential but he's more accomplished than most NBA centers right now.

[BoutPractice]

So far based on a few full games and highlights I have
1. Embiid
2. Wiggins
3. Parker

I'm looking primarily at risk/reward and how certain tools translate to the NBA.

Embiid has higher end potential to be the next great big man. In my opinion he's in the highest possible league as a prospect, the Kevin Durant/Anthony Davis class. People compare his ceiling to Hakeem, but you can also see a lot of Duncan in him, as he's taller (looks like a true 7 footer), less mobile, and a better passer at the same age than Dream. If you want a less sensational headline, Bynum without the attitude could be the kind of player you're getting. I've also heard comparisons to a more aggressive Marc Gasol. On the lower end, I have a hard time imagining him not being one of the top centers in the NBA... he could be productive in so many different ways. You're looking at a strong, quick, athletic 7 footer with a large wingspan, better offensive instincts and ability to read and react than most centers in the league right now, terrific attitude, and evidence of both actual production and continuous improvement. The real risk for him in my opinion is not that he's not suited for the league, but injury. With big men you never know if you're getting Oden 2.0.

Wiggins has the body, athleticism, and style of play that's perfectly suited to dominate the league from the wing in today's game. He will be unstoppable in the open court - he'll get a lot of steals/chasedown blocks + emphatic dunk on the other end kind of plays. In the halfcourt, even though his handles aren't the greatest, his ability to get to the rim is extremely impressive. He really only needs one strong dribble and two steps to beat his defender most of the time, as long as he's aggressive... fancy dribbling isn't even necessarily needed for the type of player that he is. He also seems to make good cuts. Like LeBron he will get a lot of easy, "efficient" baskets because of his athletic profile. But unlike LeBron he has a better jumpshot to start with. He could conceivably be a Paul George kind of 3 point shooter within 2 years. He looks far from exceptional as a P&R ball handler or passer so far, but he'll have more room to operate in the NBA and he can be great without having to rely too much on those particular skills anyway. On defense, he's got the ability to be one of the best in the league. If he's put in the right situation and developed the right way, he could be the next big star from the wing.

Parker is the least physically impressive of the 3 but he looks amazing offensively, and it's tough to envision him not being an All-Star. Some have made the comparison to tweeners like Derrick Williams, but I disagree... even if he's used as a 4 in college, he's essentially a 3 at the next level. Even right now he plays the 4 like a 3 would. I don't think he'll need to "transition" into playing SF like the real tweeners do.

[IGOTGAME]

So far based on a few full games and highlights I have
1. Embiid
2. Wiggins
3. Parker

I'm looking primarily at risk/reward and how certain tools translate to the NBA.

Embiid has higher end potential to be the next great big man. In my opinion he's in the highest possible league as a prospect, the Kevin Durant/Anthony Davis class. People compare his ceiling to Hakeem, but you can also see a lot of Duncan in him, as he's taller (looks like a true 7 footer), less mobile, and a better passer at the same age than Dream. If you want a less sensational headline, Bynum without the attitude could be the kind of player you're getting. I've also heard comparisons to a more aggressive Marc Gasol. On the lower end, I have a hard time imagining him not being one of the top centers in the NBA... he could be productive in so many different ways. You're looking at a strong, quick, athletic 7 footer with a large wingspan, better offensive instincts and ability to read and react than most centers in the league right now, terrific attitude, and evidence of both actual production and continuous improvement. The real risk for him in my opinion is not that he's not suited for the league, but injury. With big men you never know if you're getting Oden 2.0.

Wiggins has the body, athleticism, and style of play that's perfectly suited to dominate the league from the wing in today's game. He will be unstoppable in the open court - he'll get a lot of steals/chasedown blocks + emphatic dunk on the other end kind of plays. In the halfcourt, even though his handles aren't the greatest, his ability to get to the rim is extremely impressive. He really only needs one strong dribble and two steps to beat his defender most of the time, as long as he's aggressive... fancy dribbling isn't even necessarily needed for the type of player that he is. He also seems to make good cuts. Like LeBron he will get a lot of easy, "efficient" baskets because of his athletic profile. But unlike LeBron he has a better jumpshot to start with. He could conceivably be a Paul George kind of 3 point shooter within 2 years. He looks far from exceptional as a P&R ball handler or passer so far, but he'll have more room to operate in the NBA and he can be great without having to rely too much on those particular skills anyway. On defense, he's got the ability to be one of the best in the league. If he's put in the right situation and developed the right way, he could be the next big star from the wing.

Parker is the least physically impressive of the 3 but he looks amazing offensively, and it's tough to envision him not being an All-Star. Some have made the comparison to tweeners like Derrick Williams, but I disagree... even if he's used as a 4 in college, he's essentially a 3 at the next level. Even right now he plays the 4 like a 3 would. I don't think he'll need to "transition" into playing SF like the real tweeners do.

These are my rankings as well. It's tough to decide between Wiggins and Embiid for me. I have very little doubt that Wiggins will be a very very good player in the NBA. I have a feeling he will be very efficient.

[scm5]

Embiid
Wiggins
Parker

I love Parkers game and jumper. He's got a lot of poise for a player so young as well, but I just think that once he gets to the NBA level, he's going to have a learning curve kind of like Evan Turner did. He's got a mean jumper so it shouldn't be as much of a drop off, but he's definitely not going to be as dominant as he's looking like in college.

I see the upside in Wiggins, but watching him play, he's too reserved. I see him maybe panning out like Rudy Gay with a higher FG% and less turnovers, which isn't bad. Maybe a 22/8/3 guy at his peak, but he could be much better than that.

Embiid however, is scary. He's been playing basketball for just a few years but he looks more polished than a lot of the Centers in the NBA. He's got a decent jumper already and he's got a great hook shot developing. He's one of those players that would benefit greatly from a session w/ Hakeem.

[(e)]

Right now...

Embiid
Parker
Wiggins
Smart
Randle

Some what interchangeable depending on which team is picking. Say if you've got a more uptempo team...I'd probably take Wiggins over Parker. If I'm already set at pg and need help inside, take Randle over Smart ect ect

Embiid seems like the guy with the most potential, and I don't see him being a potential bust pick at all. Parker has looked the most impressive to me, but again he isn't 7 foot tall.

I really don't think you can lose with any of those 5 guys, and this draft has tons of potential.

(Really hope the Bobcats either make the Playoffs in the East or end up with the 11th pick so it goes to Chicago)

[IGOTGAME]

I really think Exum has to be in the convo with Wiggins/Parker(I have embiid above both).

Personally I got:

1.Embiid
2. wiggins
3. Parker/Exum
4.parker/Exum






6. Smart/Randle

I really couldn't see drafting Smart or Randle over Exum.

[GOBB]

You started the Embiid hype here. :oldlol:

I have no clue what Exum looks like as a player to comment. Seems like he needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Not the best of shooters. Sixers dont need that at the SG spot with MCW. But again I dont know much about Exum up until today so. Whatever.

[mrRager]

going to have to checkout embiid, whats special about this kid?

[G-Funk]

1.Wiggins
2.Parker
3.Embiid
4.Randle
5.Smart
6.Exum

[G-Funk]

going to have to checkout embiid, whats special about this kid?


I think of him as a more athletic Tyson Chandler who can score.

[scm5]

I think of him as a more athletic Tyson Chandler who can score.

Oh, I think he's a bit more mobile and athletic than Tyson. Did you see him do the eurostep against Iona?

How often do you see a 7 footer do the euro step?

[moe94]

I think of him as a more athletic Tyson Chandler who can score.
Chandler was very athletic, though. Embiid is more coordinated, that's it.

[IGOTGAME]

I don't see much similarity between Chandler and Embiid except for the fact Embiid might develop into a defensive anchor.... However what is really drawing people to him is the fact that it looks like may be able can run an offense through him in he post like Duncan n Hakeem some day in the future. That's is his top end potential.

[moe94]

No doubt, Embiid is a much better prospect than Chandler. Question is, how realisitic is his potential? Is he worth the number 1 pick?

[G-Funk]

No doubt, Embiid is a much better prospect than Chandler. Question is, how realisitic is his potential? Is he worth the number 1 pick?

imo worst case scenario, 14/10/4/2 %55+

[IGOTGAME]

No doubt, Embiid is a much better prospect than Chandler. Question is, how realisitic is his potential? Is he worth the number 1 pick?
He is already really good. He is an advanced post player with great touch with either hand, he passes extremely well and finish with power or finesse. On defense, he blocks shots and has shown he has great foot and superior instincts. Then you add the intangibles, he fights for position and wants the ball(especially in crunch time), plays with fire and seems to have a great approach to the game. I feel comfortable saying he will be an all star/ all nba player, anything beyond that is tough to predict. Comes down to whether you feel more strongly that Wiggins/Parker/Exum turns into that HOF type guy.

Excuse all the autocorrect...I hate this ipad

[G-Funk]

Don't sleep on Randle, that guy is a Boss

[Shade8780]

I cant decide. It's a lot harder than I thought it'd be at the start of the year. I need to watch more of all these guys anyway. Havent seen a whole lot of CBB.

[G-Funk]

Im hoping Lakers get at least a 4th pick so they can get Embiid or Randle

[IGOTGAME]

Im hoping Lakers get at least a 4th pick so they can get Embiid or Randle
Would be a dream come true. If the Lakers got Embiid then I'm sure he'd develop into something great.

[Collie]

Haven't seen Embiid, but from his numbers, he looks like a mediocre to average rebounder Or is it just the way the team plays?

[G-Funk]

Chandler was very athletic, though. Embiid is more coordinated, that's it.

Not as atheletic as Embiid, this dude is fast, looks more built and faster than Chandler did at the same age.

http://www.csnphilly.com/sites/csnphilly/files/styles/large/public/joelembiidusa.jpg

https://cdn.argentaimages.com/images/detail/EDS1340890617IBDJUL.jpg

http://content.draftexpress.com/headshots/joelembiid.jpeg

[GOBB]

Don't sleep on Randle, that guy is a Boss

He better start improving his jumper and decision making. Dude gets doubled and looks to shoot/score to beat it rather than hitting open guys. I still like him tho but he is playing like a noob.

[waseem780]

Haven't seen Embiid, but from his numbers, he looks like a mediocre to average rebounder Or is it just the way the team plays?
That's another thing that makes Embiid great. When you look at the box score you see Wiggins and Selden but everybody that watches the game thinks Embiid played the best. Go watch a game and you'll find out.

[WeGetRing2012]

People are sleeping on Noah Vonleh from Indiana

[Inferno]

Haven't seen Embiid, but from his numbers, he looks like a mediocre to average rebounder Or is it just the way the team plays?

He plays like 20 mpg

[IGOTGAME]

He plays like 20 mpg

he also plays next to good rebounders too.

[Jailblazers7]

Agree with Embiid being #1. I've been extremely impressed with him, especially he feel for post play and his passing. Dude looks like a flat out stud to me and potential MVP type player given the derth of quality C's in the NBA.

[Ass Dan]

Embiid's story line here is cute, but lettuce be reality, no one is passing on Wiggins or Parker to take Embiid.

Parker will go first if Utah gets top pick, other than that, I see Wiggins who already has All NBA defensive skills, unlimited athleticism and potential, and can still fill up a stat sheet despite 'shaky' offensive skills (I think this is overhyped however, because if we watch a lot of the great athletic players in their freshman year we will see there is work to do).

Parker could be Bernard King if all goes well. Wiggins could be Dominique Wilkins if all goes well.

Randle on the other hand scares me. I see more Jared Sullinger than Tim Duncan in him. Maybe I am wrong, but there have been a lot of bulky power forwards in the last few drafts who have failed badly.

[Pointguard]

Embiid is number one. Two quality big men got picked over Jordan and Ewing was higher ranked than either of those centers. Hakeem did not have a steady shot back then or his crazy assortment of shots either.

Embiid has a high quality jump hook with either hand. A big man with a big man shot after playing only three years. Drop steps, reverse layups with hard quick moves to his left hand. Excellent foot movement, at times moves laterally like KG. Plays longer than Bynum with Larry Sanders aggressiveness. Drummond plays big and noticeable stands out tho not polished yet. Embiid is a bit more polished, plays big but is a lot longer, quicker and resourceful. You can build around him easily.

[hateraid]

Somebody on fb Is trying to tell me Embiid is too small:oldlol:

[G-Funk]

Somebody on fb Is trying to tell me Embiid is too small:oldlol:

:oldlol: He's where he needs to be at this age(240).

[IGOTGAME]

:oldlol: He's where he needs to be at this age(240).

he is actually at 250

[veilside23]

is there a team that could possible get both wiggins and embiid ? if there is

that is your future right there...

[IGOTGAME]

I really feel like it is a 2 man race right now between Embiid and Wiggins. The only other person who might prove people wrong is Exum but I just havent seen enough of him to put him on the tier.

This is one of the tougher drafts to have the #1 pick. I would go with Embiid but Wiggins has scary talent too.

[ImKobe]

Wiggins has scary potential, but he doesn't look like he'll be a decent playmaker and his ballhandling isn't that great either. His athleticism is obviously a big thing and his 3pt shot has improved, but I'm not completely sold yet. Parker is a versatile offensive player, but he isn't nearly as athletic and he gained a lot of weight while being injured...


Embiid should be the top prospect considering the fact that he's a big man and the fact that he's so good with so little experience. He has the highest ceiling to me. A great rebounder, decent shot blocker, can score on the offensive end, crazy athletic. I like him a lot right now.

[veilside23]

I really feel like it is a 2 man race right now between Embiid and Wiggins. The only other person who might prove people wrong is Exum but I just havent seen enough of him to put him on the tier.

This is one of the tougher drafts to have the #1 pick. I would go with Embiid but Wiggins has scary talent too.

nice to see this from you IGOTGAME. Seems like wiggins has won you over i know there are times he looks real passive but i guess that's because he's still a kid . But once potential is reached.. We talking about hall of famer for wiggins.

[moe94]

But once potential is reached.. We talking about hall of famer for wiggins.

You could say that about at least 5 guys in this draft.

[IGOTGAME]

nice to see this from you IGOTGAME. Seems like wiggins has won you over i know there are times he looks real passive but i guess that's because he's still a kid . But once potential is reached.. We talking about hall of famer for wiggins.

yea, I only got to see bit and pieces of the game but I'm excited to get back home and watch it in its entirety. Wiggins having monster dunks, Embiid hitting a three and getting thrown out!!! I've never had Wiggins lower than 3 tho. Now, I really don't think Parker is in the mix anymore for top 2 imo. Not that he wont be an all star but because I'm not sure that is the guy you draft in that position. Exum is the only wildcard for me.

[MMM]

1. Embiid
2. Wiggins
3. Parker

The one thing that I really don't like about Parker is his lack of foot speed. The kid is a defensive liability on the perimeter because he can't stay in front of anyone the kid looks like Brook Lopez out there. This is one of those things that isn't going to get better over time and I doubt he will ever become even an adequate defender let alone a good one. Also his lack of foot speed means he will be taking a lot of jump shots at the next level.

Wiggins has great potential, he has all the athletics necessities and a great shooting form. Everything for him now is mental and improving his handle which are very easily taught.

From the second I watched Embiid against Iona I knew that he would end up number one. The kids only problem is that he shies away from contact, but he's so quick and skilled that that probably won't be a huge problem at the next level if he puts on some muscle. Other than that he is literally the perfect center. Hell, he even has the potential to be a 3pt threat.

I agree with these rankings and a lot of what you said but I disagree that handles are easily developed. Good ball handlers usually come into the league with established handles.

[MMM]

is there a team that could possible get both wiggins and embiid ? if there is

that is your future right there...

Unlikely, but if Atlanta, Brooklyn, and Boston end up in the lottery....

[GOBB]

I agree with these rankings and a lot of what you said but I disagree that handles are easily developed. Good ball handlers usually come into the league with established handles.

Agreed.

Thaddeus Young handles are weak. He's hasnt developed them at all.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wiggins has Lebron potential with better defense.

[moe94]

Wiggins has Lebron potential with better defense.

It's likely Wiggins never even reaches LeBron's second season status.

[waseem780]

I agree with these rankings and a lot of what you said but I disagree that handles are easily developed. Good ball handlers usually come into the league with established handles.
Paul George in one off season improved his ball-handling to the point where he is the one of the main ball-handlers on the Pacers

[noob cake]

Wiggins has Lebron potential with better defense.

Sure, if you mean LeBron without the passing, vision, handles and IQ.

[Trollsmasher]

Wiggins has Kobe potential with better defense.
fixed it for you

[moe94]

Sure, if you mean LeBron without the passing, vision, handles and IQ.

So Dominique Wilkins? :confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

So Dominique Wilkins? :confusedshrug:

Pretty much

[TheMarkMadsen]

It's likely Wiggins never even reaches LeBron's second season status.

Wiggins will have a year where he puts up good stats and misses the playoffs

[MMM]

So Dominique Wilkins? :confusedshrug:


Where would Nique rank in today's NBA??? I would think among wings only present LeBron would be ahead.

[Le Shaqtus]

fixed it for you

So he has the potential of a 5x NBA champion?

You've come a long way :cheers:

[IGOTGAME]

Can we all agree that Parker has no business in the top 2?

Finally got a chance to watch the game.. Embiid is dropping 3s now...and hitting the 17 footer off the pick and pop. What a prospect!!

[chips93]

i havent seen parker play in a couple weeks. what makes you write him off as the number 1 pick?

embiid definitely has the highest ceiling imo. he has the tools to be an elite defender, he has poise, shooting touch, and can score in the post. the only worry for me is, he plays a little soft, and sometimes lacks focus, but thats understandable for a freshman.

[IGOTGAME]

i havent seen parker play in a couple weeks. what makes you write him off as the number 1 pick?

embiid definitely has the highest ceiling imo. he has the tools to be an elite defender, he has poise, shooting touch, and can score in the post. the only worry for me is, he plays a little soft, and sometimes lacks focus, but thats understandable for a freshman.


I def think Parker is a multiple time all star talent. But, he I question his ability to get easy shots against great defense...something I think Wiggins and Embiid have the talent to eventually do. Wiggins is gonna be able to get to the basket and Embiid will be able to start an offense from the post. But with Parker it's gonna tougher and it will be easier to force him into contested pull jumpers, unless your Kobe than isn't winning you a title. I like watching Parker play but I just don't know if I'd take him over Wiggins, I definitely wouldn't take him over Embiid.

[noob cake]

I def think Parker is a multiple time all star talent. But, he I question his ability to get easy shots against great defense...something I think Wiggins and Embiid have the talent to eventually do. Wiggins is gonna be able to get to the basket and Embiid will be able to start an offense from the post. But with Parker it's gonna tougher and it will be easier to force him into contested pull jumpers, unless your Kobe than isn't winning you a title. I like watching Parker play but I just don't know if I'd take him over Wiggins, I definitely wouldn't take him over Embiid.

This double standard is ridiculous. Ability to get easy shots against great defense?

Would you like to talk about Wiggins' inability to get his own shot?

[IncarceratedBob]

Embiid- Shaq
Wiggins- Jordan
Parker- Kobe

I'll go

Embiid
Wiggins
Parker

[IGOTGAME]

This double standard is ridiculous. Ability to get easy shots against great defense?

Would you like to talk about Wiggins' inability to get his own shot?

I've been on here talking about Wiggins skills issues before. It's just that all hat stuff is fixable. He is in college averaging 16 a game as a skinny fresh with little skill, that is a testament to his talent.



I'm talking about potential. Wiggins has shown all the potential to be that type of player. He has shown good form and the ability to square his body up on jumpers, he has a lightning quick first step and the ability to finish above the defense. All the tools are there. Parker, who I'm a big fan of, just doesn't have all of those tools. I still think Parker is gonna get buckets but I think Wiggins and Embiid have the potential to be top 5 players in the league.

The way I see it right now.

Embiid


Wiggins
Parker/Exum
Parker/Exum

Exum could move up some but there just enough tape for me to do it.

[noob cake]

he means in the nba, wiggins has the potential to be a guy who can get a good shot against great defense. not right now, but 5 years down the line.

Ok the potential of currently non existent skill then.

Remind me again what Wiggins has shown that makes him better than Rudy Gay, other than being slightly more athletic.

[chips93]

Ok the potential of currently non existent skill then.

Remind me again what Wiggins has shown that makes him better than Rudy Gay, other than being slightly more athletic.

hes scoring 15 a game, on a pretty deep team, despite being raw offensively. that tells you how talented he is.

did you see his spin move yesterday against k-state? rudy gay cant make that move.

[waseem780]

Wiggins is a nba-tier slasher already and has elite athleticism even for NBA players and he has average shooting ability. He has above average defensive ability. He needs to work on play making and ball handling.

Jabari has nba-tier scoring ability. average ball handling , and below average defensive abilty. He needs to learn how to defend and effect the game without scoring

Embiid has Nba tier size and athleticism, above average post up moves and above average defense. He needs to get a little stronger and needs to be more aggressive/consistent.

[BoutPractice]

One thing that's impressive with Wiggins so far is that, whenever he's challenged, criticized for past performances or put in the spotlight with a big matchup, he tends to respond with a statement game where he plays aggressive and outplays his man. He's also had great moments down the stretch of games. Contrary to what some have suggested, his track record so far is that of a player who rises up to the challenge and dominates when it matters. NBA competition is likely to bring the best out of his game.

[GOBB]

Noel is light years ahead of Embiid defensively.

[RightToCensor]

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/smart1usblog.jpg

[FrobeShaw]

Noel is light years ahead of Embiid defensively.
Let's see if he ever plays first.

[oarabbus]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markheisler/2014/01/12/nba-wakes-to-find-andrew-wiggins-and-entire-class-of-14-arent-that-good/

[quote=Forbes]


NBA Wakes to Find Andrew Wiggins and Entire Class of '14 Aren't All That


Kansas freshman Andrew Wiggins isn

[mr.big35]

It will be a big risk for however drafting Embiid. he might the next Greg oden and be out of nba

[King Jane]

Embiid on pace to be the GOAT center. Can already do things no center b4 him ever dreamed of doing http://youtu.be/m0nxBm5TaI0

[Combat Wombat]

It will be a big risk for however drafting Embiid. he might the next Greg oden and be out of nba

Or he could be the next great center. It's worth the risk when you have someone like Embiid who already has a better post game than the supposed "best bigman in the game" Dwight Howard.

[IGOTGAME]

College basketball is a joke for big men.

[Milbuck]

Embiid on pace to be the GOAT center. Can already do things no center b4 him ever dreamed of doing http://youtu.be/m0nxBm5TaI0

I honestly cannot believe he only started playing ball in 2011. It's just ridiculous. Fans always talk about natural talent, but he is the perfect example of it

[CavaliersFTW]

I honestly cannot believe he only started playing ball in 2011. It's just ridiculous. Fans always talk about natural talent, but he is the perfect example of it
He did not start playing in 2011 he's been playing since childhood like most any decently athletic kid in the modern world, he started playing pro/AAU/College-prep league levels of ball in 2011. Basically he got found and put into a good program in '11 and some writer wrote that that's when he first started playing to draw views. He was playing well before then, the story circulating about when he started was misleading.

[GOBB]

Embiid gets into foul troubles too much but damn that last call on him was bogus. :facepalm Terrible. Let these dudes play, shit.



Let's see if he ever plays first.

He will. Shit just look at both of their college performance on the defensive end.

Now before you go countering and assuming. I'd take Embiid over Noel. In fact if Sixers could draft Embiid I hope they would. I'm just highlighting the defensive aspect of his game. He doesnt seem as instinctive. Hes sometimes tentatives and looks like he is thinking more than reacting. That could be due to lack of experience? Noel was a prolific shot blocker, rim protector coming out.

[IGOTGAME]

He did not start playing in 2011 he's been playing since childhood like most any decently athletic kid in the modern world, he started playing pro/AAU/College-prep league levels of ball in 2011. Basically he got found and put into a good program in 2011. He was playing well before then, the story circulating about when he started was misleading.
Link?

[GOBB]

He did not start playing in 2011 he's been playing since childhood like most any decently athletic kid in the modern world, he started playing pro/AAU/College-prep league levels of ball in 2011. Basically he got found and put into a good program in '11 and some writer wrote that that's when he first started playing to draw views. He was playing well before then, the story circulating about when he started was misleading.

How come you know this but everywhere I look online and during games mention otherwise? Link?

[FrobeShaw]

Link?
His head because Embiid is too polished for his mind to comprehend. It's denial.

[RightToCensor]

Embiid has the most bust potential in this class next to Dante Exum.

I still believe Marcus Smart should be a Top 5 Pick and WILL be the next D-Wade or Westbrook.

[mr.big35]

Or he could be the next great center. It's worth the risk when you have someone like Embiid who already has a better post game than the supposed "best bigman in the game" Dwight Howard.

But this guy started to play basketball year or two ago. We also know that most of the busts are centers.

[Milbuck]

Embiid has the most bust potential in this class next to Dante Exum.

I still believe Marcus Smart should be a Top 5 Pick and WILL be the next D-Wade or Westbrook.

:wtf: how does he have more bust potential than Randle? Honestly i don't think he has much bust potential at all. In fact if he goes to Milwaukee he's almost a lock to be the modern day Kareem

[noob cake]

Embiid has the most bust potential in this class next to Dante Exum.

I still believe Marcus Smart should be a Top 5 Pick and WILL be the next D-Wade or Westbrook.

Thank you captain obvious. Bust rate for NBA 5 prospects are highest by far.

Half your point guards end up as borderline all-stars.

[FrobeShaw]

Embiid has the most bust potential in this class next to Dante Exum.

I still believe Marcus Smart should be a Top 5 Pick and WILL be the next D-Wade or Westbrook.
You're underrating Wade by comparing him to Smart and thinking he wouldn't go 1 if he was guaranteed to be Wade.

[IGOTGAME]

Embiid just took over like a pro. Wow, just wow.

[Bernie Nips]

Embiid just took over like a pro. Wow, just wow.

I've still kept on Wiggins this whole year, but Embiid just looks better. I think Wiggins is the better pick over Parker, but Embiid has to go first.

[Dbrog]

I'm honestly hoping ALL of these players pan out and we get 3-4 more superstars in the league ala 2003. Could you imagine how scary the league would be with the Golden Age of PGs + Drummond, Brow, Dwight, Noel, Hibbert, KLove, Cousins, Aldridge, MGasol, Embiid, Randle, and maybe Parker? To go along w/ Bron, George, Harden, Durant, Thompson, Wade, Wiggins, and Smart? That league is overflowing with Talent!! Dose bigs would be legit finally. A bunch of big IF's here though.

[veilside23]

wiggins 19 rebounds? wasnt able to watch the game but darn....

[El Gato Negro]

Embiid should be but depends on who's drafting.