Trades that look awful in retrospect

[BoutPractice]

The 80s Cavaliers or how to screw up a franchise in three years

- Traded the pick that became James Worthy for Don Ford and Chad Kinch.
- Traded the pick that became Sam Perkins for Mike Bratz.
- Traded the picks that became Derek Harper and Roy Tarpley for Richard Washington and Jerome Whitehead.
- Traded the pick that became Detlef Schrempf for Geoff Huston.
- Traded the pick that became Dennis Rodman for Steve Hayes.

Isiah's plan

October 4, 2005: Traded Jermaine Jackson, Mike Sweetney, Tim Thomas, a 2006 1st round draft pick (LaMarcus Aldridge), a 2007 1st round draft pick (Joakim Noah), a 2007 2nd round draft pick (Kyrylo Fesenko) and a 2009 2nd round draft pick (Jon Brockman) to the Chicago Bulls for Eddy Curry, Antonio Davis and a 2007 1st round draft pick (Wilson Chandler).

Amusingly, Isiah's very last move was this:
June 28, 2007: Traded a 2008 2nd round draft pick (Omer Asik) to the Portland Trail Blazers for Demetris Nichols.

The Billy King trilogy

March 15, 2012: Traded Mehmet Okur, Shawne Williams and a 2012 1st round draft pick (Damian Lillard) to the Portland Trail Blazers for Gerald Wallace.

July 11, 2012: Traded Jordan Farmar, Anthony Morrow, Johan Petro, DeShawn Stevenson, Jordan Williams, a 2013 1st round draft pick (Shane Larkin) and a 2017 2nd round draft pick to the Atlanta Hawks for Joe Johnson.

and what I suspect will go down as one of the greatest trades ever:

July 12, 2013: Traded Keith Bogans, MarShon Brooks, Kris Humphries, Kris Joseph, Gerald Wallace, a 2014 1st round draft pick, a 2016 1st round draft pick and a 2018 1st round draft pick to the Boston Celtics for Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Jason Terry and D.J. White. Boston has the option to swap 1st round draft picks with Brooklyn in 2017.

[Bandito]

Isiah's plan

October 4, 2005: Traded Jermaine Jackson, Mike Sweetney, Tim Thomas, a 2006 1st round draft pick (LaMarcus Aldridge), a 2007 1st round draft pick (Joakim Noah), a 2007 2nd round draft pick (Kyrylo Fesenko) and a 2009 2nd round draft pick (Jon Brockman) to the Chicago Bulls for Eddy Curry, Antonio Davis and a 2007 1st round draft pick (Wilson Chandler).

Amusingly, Isiah's very last move was this:
June 28, 2007: Traded a 2008 2nd round draft pick (Omer Asik) to the Portland Trail Blazers for Demetris Nichols.

Can you imagine the Knicks with the choice of Aldridge, Asik and Noah together with Melo? Holy crap this team could've been scary.

[Brook(lyn)Lopez]

You can't extrapolate draft picks that happen years after a trade and say this player would have been drafted in this same draft slot by this different team unless you want to ignore the infinite number of variables that go into these hindsight situations. If you recognize that you are ignoring logic and creating alternate realities for the hell of it, that's fine and it's is fun to do, but if you try using hindsight to point out bad trades while using situations where a team drafts a gem late in the draft using a pick they acquired years ago without factoring all the other situations that played out in making that draft selection happen, well that is just dumb.

[Brokenbeat]

You can't extrapolate draft picks that happen years after a trade and say this player would have been drafted in this same draft slot by this different team unless you want to ignore the infinite number of variables that go into these hindsight situations. If you recognize that you are ignoring logic and creating alternate realities for the hell of it, that's fine and it's is fun to do, but if you try using hindsight to point out bad trades while using situations where a team drafts a gem late in the draft using a pick they acquired years ago without factoring all the other situations that played out in making that draft selection happen, well that is just dumb.

http://stanbase.com/public/style_emoticons/default/SadBanana.gif

[Marchesk]

You can't extrapolate draft picks that happen years after a trade and say this player would have been drafted in this same draft slot by this different team unless you want to ignore the infinite number of variables that go into these hindsight situations. If you recognize that you are ignoring logic and creating alternate realities for the hell of it, that's fine and it's is fun to do, but if you try using hindsight to point out bad trades while using situations where a team drafts a gem late in the draft using a pick they acquired years ago without factoring all the other situations that played out in making that draft selection happen, well that is just dumb.

Yeah, but the early 80s Cavs did screw themselves badly, and it was acknowledged at the time. It even led to a rule change on trading picks.

[BoutPractice]

Just like it's acknowledged now that the Nets have significantly jeopardized their future by trading away their first round picks for the next 5 years.

The Nets situation is a textbook example. You can't know whether those picks will turn out great or not... but it would be fun if they did, because it would be a form of karma for short-sighted decisions. That's the point of luck: some people repeatedly put themselves in a position to be screwed over by luck, so when it happens you can definitely say it was their fault even though the outcome was unpredictable. Well-managed teams don't tempt fate to begin with.

[The JKidd Kid]

I would love to see where all those picks that Billy King traded end up. I would bet money that at most 1 of them is in the lottery and none in the top 5. People are overreacting about the picks. You don't rebuild in New York, you only retool. This team is making the playoffs this year and they will next year and probably the year after that and after that. Prokhorov isn't going to just let the team suck. Last season they had a 4th seed with Deron, Joe and Lopez as the only productive players on the team. They could very easily do it again next year and this years team is good enough this year.

People that don't watch the Nets will say that Lopez is the best player, but anyone that watches them will tell you that Deron is the player that makes this team go and that Lopez is just a weapon of his choice.

[Brokenbeat]

I would love to see where all those picks that Billy King traded end up. I would bet money that at most 1 of them is in the lottery and none in the top 5. People are overreacting about the picks. You don't rebuild in New York, you only retool. This team is making the playoffs this year and they will next year and probably the year after that and after that. Prokhorov isn't going to just let the team suck. Last season they had a 4th seed with Deron, Joe and Lopez as the only productive players on the team. They could very easily do it again next year and this years team is good enough this year.

People that don't watch the Nets will say that Lopez is the best player, but anyone that watches them will tell you that Deron is the player that makes this team go and that Lopez is just a weapon of his choice.


Lol, you guys do jackshit in New York. :hammerhead:

[KG215]

It'd be interesting to see just one of the New York teams adopt the San Antonio/OKC/Indiana model of actually, smartly drafting and developing players, accumulating assets and not constantly trading them away for overrated/overpriced/over-the-hill veterans, and actually try to build some chemistry and continuity.

[The JKidd Kid]

Lol, you guys do jackshit in New York. :hammerhead:

CoughGiantsYankeescough

[The JKidd Kid]

It'd be interesting to see just one of the New York teams adopt the San Antonio/OKC/Indiana model of actually, smartly drafting and developing players, accumulating assets and not constantly trading them away for overrated/overpriced/over-the-hill veterans, and actually try to build some chemistry and continuity.

The problem with the San Antonio, OKC strategy is that those guys were lucky enough to not only get a high draft pick, but also have a transcendent player to draft with that pick to build around. (Duncan, Durant). Also with every OKC and Spurs there's also a Cavaleirs and 76ers who just got out of a failed draft rebuild and are trying to move into a new one.

[christian1923]

Bledsoe and butler for reddick and dudley

[alexd]

Bledsoe and butler for reddick and dudley
how exactly is that a bad trade?clippers needed shooters and jj was smoking hot before going down with injury.bledsoe can be a franchise player but they got Chris Paul there.he s not a good sg for them cause they need shooters so Paul can PnR and pass

[FreezingTsmoove]

Bledsoe and butler for reddick and dudley

In what way is that an awful trade. Retard

[christian1923]

In what way is that an awful trade. Retard
Cause Bledsoe and butler are both better than those 2 players. And a hell of a lot more athletic. If they are building to win a championship that means building to beat the heat. Explain how they will defend wade and lebron with those guys.

I understand why they traded Bledsoe but I think they should have gotten something better. They'll never get through the west by throwing Dudley on KD, or having reddick guard James harden or any long athletic player. :applause:

[christian1923]

how exactly is that a bad trade?clippers needed shooters and jj was smoking hot before going down with injury.bledsoe can be a franchise player but they got Chris Paul there.he s not a good sg for them cause they need shooters so Paul can PnR and pass
If Bledsoe can work starting with Dragic why can't he work with cp3?

[Brokenbeat]

CoughGiantsYankeescough


You seem to have a giant yankee caught in your throat. Am I supposed to slap you on the back to un-lodge it or something?

This is a basketball forum, btw

:biggums:

[KG215]

The problem with the San Antonio, OKC strategy is that those guys were lucky enough to not only get a high draft pick, but also have a transcendent player to draft with that pick to build around. (Duncan, Durant). Also with every OKC and Spurs there's also a Cavaleirs and 76ers who just got out of a failed draft rebuild and are trying to move into a new one.
I understand that, but obviously the "throwing a shit load of money at whatever semi-big name FA that's available" or "trading away your future for over he hill former superstars" isn't working. And now, due to trading away all of their draft picks for the foreseeable future, neither team can even get high enough in the lottery to take a few chances on a possible transcendent player or even a superstar or two. I understand there's some luck and timing involved, but if you give away all your draft picks in awful trades, you never really get the chance to hit the jackpot.

[coin24]

Nash:facepalm

[IncarceratedBob]

how exactly is that a bad trade?clippers needed shooters and jj was smoking hot before going down with injury.bledsoe can be a franchise player but they got Chris Paul there.he s not a good sg for them cause they need shooters so Paul can PnR and pass
Bledsoe a franchise player? Shut the fck up:facepalm

[Brokenbeat]

Nash:facepalm

That looked awful when it happened too, lol.

[The JKidd Kid]

I understand that, but obviously the "throwing a shit load of money at whatever semi-big name FA that's available" or "trading away your future for over he hill former superstars" isn't working. And now, due to trading away all of their draft picks for the foreseeable future, neither team can even get high enough in the lottery to take a few chances on a possible transcendent player or even a superstar or two. I understand there's some luck and timing involved, but if you give away all your draft picks in awful trades, you never really get the chance to hit the jackpot.

Yea the strategy is bad I'm not denying that, I'm just saying that it's not possible with the New York media. I prefer the tank a year or two method to get a great player and then build around them too but like I said, in New York it isn't possible.

[Force]

Bledsoe and butler for reddick and dudley

Clippers had no way of keeping Bledsoe unless it was for just one more year so they had to let him go, also no minutes for him either. They couldn't pay his salary, you'll see this off season when Bledsoe gets that fat contract. Reddick and Dudley filled their needs and Butler was too offensive minded to stay on the current Clipper team.

There have to be 1,000 other trades more fitting than your suggestion.

[hawkfan]

The 80s Cavaliers or how to screw up a franchise in three years

- Traded the pick that became James Worthy for Don Ford and Chad Kinch.
- Traded the pick that became Sam Perkins for Mike Bratz.
- Traded the picks that became Derek Harper and Roy Tarpley for Richard Washington and Jerome Whitehead.
- Traded the pick that became Detlef Schrempf for Geoff Huston.
- Traded the pick that became Dennis Rodman for Steve Hayes.

Isiah's plan

October 4, 2005: Traded Jermaine Jackson, Mike Sweetney, Tim Thomas, a 2006 1st round draft pick (LaMarcus Aldridge), a 2007 1st round draft pick (Joakim Noah), a 2007 2nd round draft pick (Kyrylo Fesenko) and a 2009 2nd round draft pick (Jon Brockman) to the Chicago Bulls for Eddy Curry, Antonio Davis and a 2007 1st round draft pick (Wilson Chandler).

Amusingly, Isiah's very last move was this:
June 28, 2007: Traded a 2008 2nd round draft pick (Omer Asik) to the Portland Trail Blazers for Demetris Nichols.

The Billy King trilogy

March 15, 2012: Traded Mehmet Okur, Shawne Williams and a 2012 1st round draft pick (Damian Lillard) to the Portland Trail Blazers for Gerald Wallace.

July 11, 2012: Traded Jordan Farmar, Anthony Morrow, Johan Petro, DeShawn Stevenson, Jordan Williams, a 2013 1st round draft pick (Shane Larkin) and a 2017 2nd round draft pick to the Atlanta Hawks for Joe Johnson.

and what I suspect will go down as one of the greatest trades ever:

July 12, 2013: Traded Keith Bogans, MarShon Brooks, Kris Humphries, Kris Joseph, Gerald Wallace, a 2014 1st round draft pick, a 2016 1st round draft pick and a 2018 1st round draft pick to the Boston Celtics for Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Jason Terry and D.J. White. Boston has the option to swap 1st round draft picks with Brooklyn in 2017.

And people say I make bad trade scenarios.

[Al Thornton]

Cause Bledsoe and butler are both better than those 2 players. And a hell of a lot more athletic. If they are building to win a championship that means building to beat the heat. Explain how they will defend wade and lebron with those guys.

I understand why they traded Bledsoe but I think they should have gotten something better. They'll never get through the west by throwing Dudley on KD, or having reddick guard James harden or any long athletic player. :applause:
the heat may not even be in the finals this year. no one can really guard lebron or durant so it doesn't matter if u have butler or dudley. they also didn't have many other options, and losing bledsoe for nothing would have been dumb.

[poido123]

Aldridge for Tyrus.

It seems bad now, but reality is we may never of drafted Rose or Noah. Some might say that's a blessing :oldlol:

[El Kabong]

Aldridge for Tyrus.

It seems bad now, but reality is we may never of drafted Rose or Noah. Some might say that's a blessing :oldlol:
Right up there with Dirk for Robert Traylor.

At least the Bulls managed to con the Bobcats in giving them a 1st rounder for him before they gave him a stupid contract which they then bought out. Way to waste $50 million there.

[poido123]

Right up there with Dirk for Robert Traylor.

At least the Bulls managed to con the Bobcats in giving them a 1st rounder for him before they gave him a stupid contract which they then bought out. Way to waste $50 million there.

I really hope this Charlotte pick turns out alright, so we can put to rest the Aldridge mistake :oldlol:

2016 unprotected. We need Charlotte to keep sucking, but chances are we will be drafting that pick this coming draft(Not entirely bad)

[alexd]

Bledsoe a franchise player? Shut the fck up:facepalm
Bledsoe and dragic are the suns' franchise players as we speak so keep your panties on

[wakencdukest]

Bledsoe and butler for reddick and dudley


Butler and dudley are shit, they're a wash. So basically it was Bledsoe for Reddick. Reddick fit's better in the backcourt with Paul. Then again, they already had Crawford who does the same thing as Reddick, right?